I thought we already had a few of these databases already - the database being a distributed list of all citizens by birth or naturalization. The way things are going now, citizenship itself seems to be a penalty compared to the H1-B/L1/Illegal Immigration hat trick. Maybe it's time some of the economists start learning about why their cold numbers seem to have no effect on people who have experienced this kind of "sealing off the bottom".
And the usual thing will happen - the companies and servers will move overseas
Then regulation will create a case for that to be blocked as well. Just as it has for gambling, and will be for China (when someone has the guts to say "no, we're not going to sell ourselves out again.").
It'd be quite nice to see SAIC, Lenovo, and Chery next to those jailed folks from the UK for nice long sentences - without the Aspen "vacation".
1: High output engines and non-compact sized vehicles are not the exclusive territory of high end cars or large trucks. There are workable ways of having even a hybrid engine in a car that has performance and quality - that isnt a high end car. These ways also can be done so without going to countries of the Far East, or to any "*AFTA" country.
2: You aren't fooling people by building in Kentucky what ends up looking like it still came from Kyoto. For the greater part, it has only been recently that they even asked the US on how car would be built.
The mistake here was the UAW not being specific enough in the 1980s so that Japan couldnt even try to circumvent imports. The best thing here would be to amend the Buy America law to account for this circumvention and consider it as eligible for tariffs, along with any manufacturer that uses "free" trade as a tax haven.
3: That econobox you try to push to people is still an econobox. Even if you load it with an undersized engine, and throw a bunch of shiny electronics in it, it is still an econobox. That amount of electronics could be well served to improve on performance of the engine and the quality of the components of the car. Instead of a Scion that has an Echo engine, you could have something affordable that is more than a display of Chinese electronics.
If they took the input of that to kind, the only thing I'd want to do is ask for the car to be debadged completely of the brand outside of country of origin. Then they'd have at least a fighting chance that I'd want to touch their hybrids.
Now if they would stop trying to drive their US division into the ground (and perhaps work WITH and not against their workers), they could use their Asia division profits to drive out Toyota, and reopen some US factories as well. Besides, if they could make fuel efficiency and performance mix without it being a high ticket item - they certainly have the chance to do it here.
Is there some important parallel? I can see where Fox has to meet a higher standard because they are a public broadcaster, but there are dozens of free file hosters, and companies like Dreamhost will sell you terabytes of bandwidth for $10 bucks a month.
They're a signal to jump ship from what they buy out - what has happened previously with other buyouts has only confirmed that should you fall foul of their "message control", that's the best course of action.
Given Fox's history of practicing and favoring "private entity censorship", is it quite strange of a coincidence for another article to be close to this one?
Well, if she's the one from Harvard, that can explain a bit about her attitude. If any bit of that information was not part of any public(including misused L/N searches) record that she obtained, even more so.
Let the games begin, leaning towards a one sided discussion. Even if the identities are fake, there'll be something hopefully that takes all those down.
So you throw out scientific conclusions because they don't fit your moral ideology. That explains a lot about your post.
Incomplete answer - but it's not as if there aren't people who think Detroit is a problem solved by selling out one's nation and prosperity for a bit more seed corn.
Well, when they all leave out the important question of how society will take to such transitions - the water just does not hold up. That is, the numbers may tell one thing, but when put in the world, they don't always come out how they're supposed to be. That means that the displaced are more than just cold statistics, they are people who have actual lives.
The displaced are just not "the part that you makes you persist until they all die off". They are the population that can see that you broke something that worked, and have the goal of repairing that any way possible on their terms. That is, you messed with something that worked, and the longer time between the displacement and the solution that passes - the less likely they're going to include you.
In short, there is a certain immeasurable component to implementing an economic solution. They know full well that this isn't honest science, it's drawn out economic torture that only has the near-certainty of it.
This guy sounds like Reagan. That's the problem. Not the illegal immigration part, but the part about him upending prosperity comes to mind- this time, that sizable "minority" has to upend Sarko. If the country sells out to Asia with his effort, then it will be lost like the US and UK. It will have lost its character, the people losing their prosperity, and the country as a whole as the country that stood up to the evils of globalization.
Compared to Mugabe, Chavez, and others who have gone down this path, Pre-Sarkozy France has done quite well without corporate deification. 10% unemployment in a country that held out until 5/6/2007 is quite a feat, and should not be discounted.
Hopefully the country regains its sense, and puts someone closer to Le Pen, Bayrou or Royal. With that ~47% "minority", there's going to be quite enough people that Karcherizing their influence won't be an option for Sarko. If anything, they'll know full well what kinds of problems have occurred for those not in the right circles in the US/UK after the twin disasters of Reagan and Thatcher. If not, now would be a good time to inform of such - to defang someone who would deify businesses in the last prospering pro-worker stronghold is key.
He brings shame to France for what it means, and hopefully he goes the way of the Sun King.
Actually, he's really more like Bush, but tries to cater to workers at the same time. And "Sarkozy l'Americain" wasn't such a deadly insult, it appears, since more than 53% of the French voted for him. Workers- don't you mean businesses? It'll be entertaining to see history repeat itself over there as that nation falls to the concept of "businesses are $DEITY and shall not be interfered with". Mind that the AFL-CIO supported Reagan, and unwittingly wrote their own demise - less than 2 years after the election. The 35-hour limit could be what got him in the door, and what will turn the last nation to prosper and hold off globalization's worst at the gates to its demise.
The only thing going right is that they have the sense to stand up over there, even if it's the riots.
Think of Royal as George W. Bush being a socialist woman. Damn scary. Think of Sarko as the equivalent of Ronald "PATCO" Reagan. Even worse in terms of "screw the nation, there's money to be had!"
When dealing with the business class, trust not in them with politics or economics for they will sell you down the river. Thankfully there are 2 well-known incidents that have proven this("PATCO" Reagan and "The Butcher" Thatcher) - and hopefully Sarko will be aware that he doesnt have much of a chance of stemming the violence ahead (much less being able to appeal to nation outside of resigning).
Everytime I see their trucks I keep hoping to see their company do an Enron, and their executive team come down with some chronic skin rash while languishing in PMITA prison. Aspen cant hold every executive's body or their ashes. It would have another booming industry there though, and it would bring housing prices down to saner levels...
Ever driven a domestic car from the 1960s or 1970s? The quality was poor, and it was poor because Ford, GM, et. al., didn't have competition. Yes on both counts, and even one from the 1980s when Japan "took over". The first two(both from Ford) are still quite drivable(good maintenance?), the third one(the much maligned Astro) kept on going after 210,000 miles and 2 collisions before being sold off. Their import competitors of the era aren't seen that often on the road. While it's only one experience, I'm quite sure I'm not alone.
Go out into the countryside and calculate how much more money is in the pockets of the less wealthy in this country because they can buy goods cheaply. Make no mistake, those who suffer most are the poor here when you create barriers to free trade. I'm already out there "in the countryside". What I see is a ton of Detroit's craftsmanship, with the imports being the rare breed. As for electronics, while they can come cheap, the quality has gone down to "disposable". Ironically, "free trade" as it is now has turned my home state into an exporter of people as well as products - what remains are people who cannot afford to leave and those who take advantage of that situation.
China will produce quality in time. Meanwhile, enjoy the cheap goods! The only good thing out of this is that higher end GM(US built, US engineered, US sold) cars can usually be had 5-10 years afterwards for sensible prices. That is, the cars that have certain features that are usually neutered when they finally get to the low end. Which means that if you're not looking for a Corvette, about everything else made in the mid-late 90s is fair game in good condition.
Remember the first Hyundais? Crap like the Kia, now look at them Still the same, just that they've used designs very similar to Honda and Chrysler. The only thing from them worth looking at is their warranty.
As for the European manufacturers that haven't gone to small cars, the models that haven't been sent out to developing countries, or imported as a CKD (something like the British Leyland Hondas comes to mind) - there is some attention to quality that can still be had without it being a million dollar handbuilt supercar.
Japan would do well to wake up and figure out that efficient V6's/V8's aren't highend/high cost in the US(The Taurus SHO's Yamaha V8 would be good to repeat in a more modern form), and that if they keep on looking like a scapegoat, someone's going to act on it. If they work a bit more with Europe on original designs that also don't look like they're even detuned Japanese imports, but cars in their own right- they'd just have to do so in places more than just the high end(think of something such as the larger Z's of the mid-late 80's, the Supras of the same era, cars such as the Nissan Skyline[not the detuned US relabel] and Subaru SVX).
China would do well to figure out that they have a serious problem with originality and quality(of workers and product) - even after ~20 years to prove otherwise. The other issue is that if they're going to have high quality products and quality workers, it's going to be a long way off if this is their version of the Industrial Revolution. If I'd wanted to see the benefits of all of this, I'd do well to just invest in cryogenics- as there would be a chance to see the end product generations down the line.
The U.S. idea that we "deserve" to be top-dog in this area stems from an accident of history: our victory in WWII was accompanied by no significant domestic capital destruction. Whatever our factories made - for almost 30 years - was bought the world over. Unfortunately, a "mis-interpreted intervention" in 1980 made by a US "non-interventionist" is reversing these changes. As for the US's transition- just simply waiting until enough nationalists just "float on down the stream" is not a transition strategy. If that means that universities are prevented from becoming territories only for the rich(and the indebted), but for the benefit of all the nation's citizens to pursue better opportunities- that would have to be a serious way to allow an escape if this is indeed "inevitable".
Let's just say "Screw China." They've never been our friends and they are working on destroying us economically and eventually politically. Why stop there? Maybe it'd be time to throw the whole region and the nearby subcontinent in with them for certain industries. When all the damage has been cleaned up, maybe consider them on a policy that gives US citizens a more comfortable transition. There are some things that economists just will never understand in terms of humanity - and they would do well to at least try.
That's why they try to buy our politicians. And the finishing touch is to have this wolf in sheep's clothing make sure nothing gets in the way of globalization.
Sigh... Sorry... Button pushed... Don't be. The less junk coming from that region of the world, and the less of them stealing jobs and university slots, the better.
As long as they repeat GM's unprofitability, the world has nothing to fear. There's nothing a rewrite of the Buy America law won't fix if you can hoodwink the business lobby. Of course, you could make it possible to give them a tax break if they redirected money from their foreign arm to the domestic one - since all they really care to do is to starve the UAW bound side to bankruptcy.
Do that, and you might be able to take care of the pesky manufacturers from the Land of the Rising Sun by closing those two loopholes as well.
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Unfortunately you havent heard of illegal immigration then. It has done wonders for the fields, why not the cows too?
Government: Please stay out of private enterprise.
Private Enterprise: Please stay out of our government. Otherwise, expect problems when people call you for it.
A simple, clean RICO prosecution.
If it gets rid of the goldfarmers and such, so be it.
I thought we already had a few of these databases already - the database being a distributed list of all citizens by birth or naturalization. The way things are going now, citizenship itself seems to be a penalty compared to the H1-B/L1/Illegal Immigration hat trick. Maybe it's time some of the economists start learning about why their cold numbers seem to have no effect on people who have experienced this kind of "sealing off the bottom".
And the usual thing will happen - the companies and servers will move overseas
Then regulation will create a case for that to be blocked as well. Just as it has for gambling, and will be for China (when someone has the guts to say "no, we're not going to sell ourselves out again.").
It'd be quite nice to see SAIC, Lenovo, and Chery next to those jailed folks from the UK for nice long sentences - without the Aspen "vacation".
Oops, meant that last paragraph to refer to GM, Ford and Chrysler.
What they do not understand is:
1: High output engines and non-compact sized vehicles are not the exclusive territory of high end cars or large trucks. There are workable ways of having even a hybrid engine in a car that has performance and quality - that isnt a high end car.
These ways also can be done so without going to countries of the Far East, or to any "*AFTA" country.
2: You aren't fooling people by building in Kentucky what ends up looking like it still came from Kyoto. For the greater part, it has only been recently that they even asked the US on how car would be built.
The mistake here was the UAW not being specific enough in the 1980s so that Japan couldnt even try to circumvent imports. The best thing here would be to amend the Buy America law to account for this circumvention and consider it as eligible for tariffs, along with any manufacturer that uses "free" trade as a tax haven.
3: That econobox you try to push to people is still an econobox. Even if you load it with an undersized engine, and throw a bunch of shiny electronics in it, it is still an econobox. That amount of electronics could be well served to improve on performance of the engine and the quality of the components of the car. Instead of a Scion that has an Echo engine, you could have something affordable that is more than a display of Chinese electronics.
If they took the input of that to kind, the only thing I'd want to do is ask for the car to be debadged completely of the brand outside of country of origin. Then they'd have at least a fighting chance that I'd want to touch their hybrids.
Now if they would stop trying to drive their US division into the ground (and perhaps work WITH and not against their workers), they could use their Asia division profits to drive out Toyota, and reopen some US factories as well. Besides, if they could make fuel efficiency and performance mix without it being a high ticket item - they certainly have the chance to do it here.
At this rate, one might as well declare any major election involving the Daley dynasty in Chicago nonbinding as a response from the right-wing.
(Or is the election not really up to the highest bidder there, media time excluded?)
Is there some important parallel? I can see where Fox has to meet a higher standard because they are a public broadcaster, but there are dozens of free file hosters, and companies like Dreamhost will sell you terabytes of bandwidth for $10 bucks a month.
They're a signal to jump ship from what they buy out - what has happened previously with other buyouts has only confirmed that should you fall foul of their "message control", that's the best course of action.
Given Fox's history of practicing and favoring "private entity censorship", is it quite strange of a coincidence for another article to be close to this one?
Of the both of them, artist, Ivy League, and the arrogance that goes into an Ivy, I'd think you might be referring to Rachel.
(odd that the captcha for this was "contempt")
Well, if she's the one from Harvard, that can explain a bit about her attitude. If any bit of that information was not part of any public(including misused L/N searches) record that she obtained, even more so.
Let the games begin, leaning towards a one sided discussion. Even if the identities are fake, there'll be something hopefully that takes all those down.
So you throw out scientific conclusions because they don't fit your moral ideology. That explains a lot about your post.
Incomplete answer - but it's not as if there aren't people who think Detroit is a problem solved by selling out one's nation and prosperity for a bit more seed corn.
Well, when they all leave out the important question of how society will take to such transitions - the water just does not hold up. That is, the numbers may tell one thing, but when put in the world, they don't always come out how they're supposed to be. That means that the displaced are more than just cold statistics, they are people who have actual lives.
The displaced are just not "the part that you makes you persist until they all die off". They are the population that can see that you broke something that worked, and have the goal of repairing that any way possible on their terms. That is, you messed with something that worked, and the longer time between the displacement and the solution that passes - the less likely they're going to include you.
In short, there is a certain immeasurable component to implementing an economic solution. They know full well that this isn't honest science, it's drawn out economic torture that only has the near-certainty of it.
...that the "private entity" shield is used.
These people take it all the way to the bank.
This guy sounds like Reagan.
That's the problem. Not the illegal immigration part, but the part about him upending prosperity comes to mind- this time, that sizable "minority" has to upend Sarko. If the country sells out to Asia with his effort, then it will be lost like the US and UK. It will have lost its character, the people losing their prosperity, and the country as a whole as the country that stood up to the evils of globalization.
Compared to Mugabe, Chavez, and others who have gone down this path, Pre-Sarkozy France has done quite well without corporate deification. 10% unemployment in a country that held out until 5/6/2007 is quite a feat, and should not be discounted.
Hopefully the country regains its sense, and puts someone closer to Le Pen, Bayrou or Royal. With that ~47% "minority", there's going to be quite enough people that Karcherizing their influence won't be an option for Sarko. If anything, they'll know full well what kinds of problems have occurred for those not in the right circles in the US/UK after the twin disasters of Reagan and Thatcher. If not, now would be a good time to inform of such - to defang someone who would deify businesses in the last prospering pro-worker stronghold is key.
He brings shame to France for what it means, and hopefully he goes the way of the Sun King.
Unfortunately you don't know of the picture Ewing had sent out - man who shoved his head up his rear.
Actually, he's really more like Bush, but tries to cater to workers at the same time. And "Sarkozy l'Americain" wasn't such a deadly insult, it appears, since more than 53% of the French voted for him.
Workers- don't you mean businesses? It'll be entertaining to see history repeat itself over there as that nation falls to the concept of "businesses are $DEITY and shall not be interfered with".
Mind that the AFL-CIO supported Reagan, and unwittingly wrote their own demise - less than 2 years after the election. The 35-hour limit could be what got him in the door, and what will turn the last nation to prosper and hold off globalization's worst at the gates to its demise.
The only thing going right is that they have the sense to stand up over there, even if it's the riots.
Think of Royal as George W. Bush being a socialist woman. Damn scary.
Think of Sarko as the equivalent of Ronald "PATCO" Reagan. Even worse in terms of "screw the nation, there's money to be had!"
When dealing with the business class, trust not in them with politics or economics for they will sell you down the river. Thankfully there are 2 well-known incidents that have proven this("PATCO" Reagan and "The Butcher" Thatcher) - and hopefully Sarko will be aware that he doesnt have much of a chance of stemming the violence ahead (much less being able to appeal to nation outside of resigning).
Everytime I see their trucks I keep hoping to see their company do an Enron, and their executive team come down with some chronic skin rash while languishing in PMITA prison.
Aspen cant hold every executive's body or their ashes. It would have another booming industry there though, and it would bring housing prices down to saner levels...
Ever driven a domestic car from the 1960s or 1970s? The quality was poor, and it was poor because Ford, GM, et. al., didn't have competition.
Yes on both counts, and even one from the 1980s when Japan "took over". The first two(both from Ford) are still quite drivable(good maintenance?), the third one(the much maligned Astro) kept on going after 210,000 miles and 2 collisions before being sold off. Their import competitors of the era aren't seen that often on the road. While it's only one experience, I'm quite sure I'm not alone.
Go out into the countryside and calculate how much more money is in the pockets of the less wealthy in this country because they can buy goods cheaply. Make no mistake, those who suffer most are the poor here when you create barriers to free trade.
I'm already out there "in the countryside". What I see is a ton of Detroit's craftsmanship, with the imports being the rare breed. As for electronics, while they can come cheap, the quality has gone down to "disposable".
Ironically, "free trade" as it is now has turned my home state into an exporter of people as well as products - what remains are people who cannot afford to leave and those who take advantage of that situation.
China will produce quality in time. Meanwhile, enjoy the cheap goods!
The only good thing out of this is that higher end GM(US built, US engineered, US sold) cars can usually be had 5-10 years afterwards for sensible prices. That is, the cars that have certain features that are usually neutered when they finally get to the low end. Which means that if you're not looking for a Corvette, about everything else made in the mid-late 90s is fair game in good condition.
Remember the first Hyundais? Crap like the Kia, now look at them
Still the same, just that they've used designs very similar to Honda and Chrysler. The only thing from them worth looking at is their warranty.
As for the European manufacturers that haven't gone to small cars, the models that haven't been sent out to developing countries, or imported as a CKD (something like the British Leyland Hondas comes to mind) - there is some attention to quality that can still be had without it being a million dollar handbuilt supercar.
Japan would do well to wake up and figure out that efficient V6's/V8's aren't highend/high cost in the US(The Taurus SHO's Yamaha V8 would be good to repeat in a more modern form), and that if they keep on looking like a scapegoat, someone's going to act on it. If they work a bit more with Europe on original designs that also don't look like they're even detuned Japanese imports, but cars in their own right- they'd just have to do so in places more than just the high end(think of something such as the larger Z's of the mid-late 80's, the Supras of the same era, cars such as the Nissan Skyline[not the detuned US relabel] and Subaru SVX).
China would do well to figure out that they have a serious problem with originality and quality(of workers and product) - even after ~20 years to prove otherwise. The other issue is that if they're going to have high quality products and quality workers, it's going to be a long way off if this is their version of the Industrial Revolution. If I'd wanted to see the benefits of all of this, I'd do well to just invest in cryogenics- as there would be a chance to see the end product generations down the line.
The U.S. idea that we "deserve" to be top-dog in this area stems from an accident of history: our victory in WWII was accompanied by no significant domestic capital destruction. Whatever our factories made - for almost 30 years - was bought the world over.
Unfortunately, a "mis-interpreted intervention" in 1980 made by a US "non-interventionist" is reversing these changes. As for the US's transition- just simply waiting until enough nationalists just "float on down the stream" is not a transition strategy. If that means that universities are prevented from becoming territories only for the rich(and the indebted), but for the benefit of all the nation's citizens to pursue better opportunities- that would have to be a serious way to allow an escape if this is indeed "inevitable".
Let's just say "Screw China." They've never been our friends and they are working on destroying us economically and eventually politically.
Why stop there? Maybe it'd be time to throw the whole region and the nearby subcontinent in with them for certain industries. When all the damage has been cleaned up, maybe consider them on a policy that gives US citizens a more comfortable transition. There are some things that economists just will never understand in terms of humanity - and they would do well to at least try.
That's why they try to buy our politicians.
And the finishing touch is to have this wolf in sheep's clothing make sure nothing gets in the way of globalization.
Sigh... Sorry... Button pushed...
Don't be. The less junk coming from that region of the world, and the less of them stealing jobs and university slots, the better.
As long as they repeat GM's unprofitability, the world has nothing to fear.
There's nothing a rewrite of the Buy America law won't fix if you can hoodwink the business lobby. Of course, you could make it possible to give them a tax break if they redirected money from their foreign arm to the domestic one - since all they really care to do is to starve the UAW bound side to bankruptcy.
Do that, and you might be able to take care of the pesky manufacturers from the Land of the Rising Sun by closing those two loopholes as well.