my initial response to the post was, sure it's more spam, but it would be end-user education, and it would be time consuming, it would take some people to run it and maintain it and explain it, and that would not be free. Who would fund it?
and since ghandi_2 has successfully demonstrated the technique, why not demonstrate it for a larger audience than your school district, in such a way that you can be supported by donations from the customers/victims who have fallen for it? Spinning THAT to not seem like a scam will be a neat trick to see: "If you appreciated being fooled by this message from thephishgroup.net, please support our further operations with a donation..."
in The High Frontier, as well as in Heinlein's TMIAHM, the flinger is set up on the moon.
In TMIAHM, the flinger is used for returning grain to earth (until the lunatics
turn it into a WMD) but in
Gerard O'Neill's
book
the flinger sits on the moon and lauches moon rocks into lunar orbit where
they get scooped up by a refining plant, as well as putting a lot of dust
in lunar orbit where it means lots of in-warranty windshield replacements
for all the various and sundry near-moon spacecrafts.
so the nice big picture on tipjar.com these days really doesn't symbolize a grand re-opening and powering up the vault server again but that day will come, hopefully this year.
I look at slashdot every few months and hey presto "Neo-Patronage" is the new buzzword for what we called "Online Busking" a decade ago.
I look forward to attempting to integrate this publisher into the tipjar empire. Got to get the empire's tendrils a little farther than the entrepreneur's own kitchen first.
Since 1996, tipjar.com has been a micropayment service. That currently isn't operating, for lack of co-volunteers and managers and operating money.
You have to have a lot of volume before "interest on the float" becomes viable.
All the points made on this page are good ones -- well all of them with decent moderation scores anyway -- anyone who has a clear sense of what the perfect internet treasury service should look like and is willing to compromise that vision slightly in the name of practicality, and who is willing to work for shares against the future profits rather than a current paycheck, and who would want to help revive an old brand -- tipjar is older than paypal -- please fill out the comment form at tipjar.com and send me a message.
The people who comment on this slashdot post may become the core of the tipjar advisory board committee mailing list -- that would be ideal.
Tipjar began when I was the treasurer of the University of Kansas City Association for Computing Machinery studetn chapter, which meant that I was responsible for collecting dues and writing checks from the club bank account. This was in the early nineties. the Common Gateway Interface standard had just been finalized, and I decided to write a web service to allow new club members to sign up, and pay their dues.
I realized that the general problem -- a web-service that models cash -- would be just as easy to solve as the specific problem -- managing the database of the club membership -- so I decided to solve that.
The president of the club thought that operating a general purpose micropayments service was outside the scope of the charter of our club, so tipjar LLC was incorporated in '95 or '96 and I set up the tipjar.com web service, with security provided by keeping the "vault" of financial info -- the accounts database -- on a computer that only connected to the internet to exchange current transactions with the web service every few minutes over a dialup modem then disconnected, which ran on a 75 mhz pentium in the breakfast nook of my studio apartment. A full size tower case with rotating feet, with a label that says "Trillian 386." I still have it. It may resume the role at some point. The feet are cute, and the HGTTG reference is priceless.
Version 2 of the vault was opject oriented and ran on the same machine but in a friend's basement, where it was restricted to only call out every ninety minutes and was quite the annoyance on their phone line.
Later version 2 was moved to the back room of the "itsy bitsy spider day care" which was the first day care anywhere as far as we know to provide real-time pictures of the day care on a web page, for the benefit of the parents.
Version 2 has been shuttled around to various places, but hasn't operated since early 2005 -- there are hundreds of transactions entered into the system right now that will get processed when vault version 2 is powered up again.
Tipjar models cash as follows:
Identity is e-mail address.
Transactions are always initiated by the giver. The receiver does not need to register their e-mail address in advance.
Transactions are verified by one-time verification codes that are e-mailed to the givers.
Only money that is in the givers accounts can be given.
Transactions once completed are not reversible.
money in and out is done by paper bank check. At this time.
I experimented with taking credit cards through KAGI once and was defrauded.
Paypal is essentially tipjar plus credit cards.
The other tipjar products -- the advenge/pay2send e-mail stamping scheme, the "tipjar debt framework" system, and other ideas that there may be a demand for -- may make just as much sense built on top of a generic transactions layer as on top of an in-house transactions layer.
As a federally registered "money handling service" tipjar has to report large transactions -- more than ten thousan
sounds like a firefox plug-in. Is it yet? Would it need its own dictionary or can it use/usr/share/dict/words or the ms equivalent? Could it be a remotely hosted service? Connect to spelling-central.example.com and run your whole form by the editor there before you post it -- imagine the surveillence potential if the service was run by the shadow government:)
Does someone (the dotGnu project, perhaps) have a big matrix of all SSI proposals, both open and closed? Since I came up with my own, TJAIS or DGAIS (since AIS is completely useless as a searchable term due to noise from AI), about a year ago, I can't stop myself from mentioning it as if it has any hope at all of getting mindshare (what? David Nicol? That crank? Isn't he a DJB sock puppet or something?) in the free SSI protocol space.
Seriously, looking at theoretic.com gives links to PingID. Way to hold back, IamTheRealMike! I lack your fortitude. AIS description, such as it is, hangs off of http://pay2send.com/cgi/ais/about
AIS is a protocol for exporting a SSI domain (any kind) to remote web services, passing messages via both the user, by Location headers, and a back-channel between the remote service and the AIS service.
There are a few defined primitives, and room to expand.
it doesn't (unless I missed the thing to which you are referring) work outside of one controlled domain. There is not a standard way to send a query (well there is, it is identd, but nobody does it and it does not work beyond the single machine level) and find out who you are. AIS is such a proposal, for web services, as are all the others.
I always found it curious that paypal.com appeared a few months after I e-mailed the entire code to the server behind tipjar.com to someone in california who said they were going to help extend it, and who I never heard from after that.
Anyway, tipjar.com continues to provide it's pathetic level of service and eye candy (even though H&R block has now gotten on the "bright green == money" band wagon) and we are doing a redesign of the static web page instructions currently, and will be releasing a GPL version of the tipjar software, to be called "dotGNU CashBox" some time this year, which will turn any merchant selling some good or service into -- ha, get this -- the central bank of a virtual nation that deals in a currency backed by whatever good or service you are selling. No really, isn't "in-store credit" a kind of currency issuable by any store? Is it not possible to satisfy a personal IOU between two regulars at Zest-o-burger with coupons for Zest-o-burgers?
Getting mentioned in the NY TIMES and USA TOADY isn't a kick in the teeth, either:)
Can't the challenge come in response to the suit
to enforce the patent?
Apple: I have patented this technique! Pay!
FSF: No. There is prior art. Sue me.
Later:
Apple: Your honor, I have patented this technique! Order these scofflaws to pay!
FSF: There is prior art. See?
Judge: So there is. Dismissed. (bang)
Even later:
Apple: I have patented this technique! Pay!
FSF: No. There is prior art. Sue me.
Later:
Apple: You are using my patent! Pay!
someone: The README file on this free package indicated that you might show up and make that
demans, and suggested that I remind you that your
attempts to enforce this patent have all been
dismissed due to the prior art.
Apple: Curses! Foiled again!
(I'm not a lawyer but I have played Nomic and
I have won a case in small claims court and I
write my own contracts with the help of books
from the public library)
A neighbor in an apartment building I was in in
1999 built a water-cooling extension for the heat
sink in his PC by soldering small copper tubes
between the fins of the heat sink that was already
there and running tubes from them to a jar of
water that was above the board.
As anyone who has worked with pumpless solar water
heating knows (I myself read an article on this in
popular science in the early eighties) to have
thermal circulation you want the reservoir of cool
water to be above your umm, solar panel.
A passive water cooling system can be built on
the same principles: substitute a heat sink with
tubing attached to it for the solar panel and
there you are.
During periods of intense load you can throw some
ice into your cooling tank -- but then there is a
danger of condensation.
As long as the whole system is at ambient temp.
or above, condensation will not happen.
It is easy to imagine a server farm with cooling
hoses running from each machine to a large central
cooling tank with lots and lots of fins on it
or more aggressive cooling strategies. Once the
heat is out of the enclosure, size considerations
are no longer as important.
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my initial response to the post was, sure it's more spam, but it would be end-user education, and it would be time consuming, it would take some people to run it and maintain it and explain it, and that would not be free. Who would fund it?
and since ghandi_2 has successfully demonstrated the technique, why not demonstrate it for a larger audience than your school district, in such a way that you can be supported by donations from the customers/victims who have fallen for it? Spinning THAT to not seem like a scam will be a neat trick to see: "If you appreciated being fooled by this message from thephishgroup.net, please support our further operations with a donation..."
I'm a little surprised that SL is not better represented in the comments here. I guess it depends on what your definition of "Game" is.
For the serious social interaction while still a game with rules and stuff, there are all the Nomic variants on various mailing lists.
money equals reputation. Lower transaction costs and implement ubiquitous tollbooths. Contact me via tipjar.com comment forms to help.
quick, protest the patent!
The patent was issued in April. Did it issue on April first, on internet cleaning day?
in The High Frontier, as well as in Heinlein's TMIAHM, the flinger is set up on the moon. In TMIAHM, the flinger is used for returning grain to earth (until the lunatics turn it into a WMD) but in Gerard O'Neill's book the flinger sits on the moon and lauches moon rocks into lunar orbit where they get scooped up by a refining plant, as well as putting a lot of dust in lunar orbit where it means lots of in-warranty windshield replacements for all the various and sundry near-moon spacecrafts.
so the nice big picture on tipjar.com these days really doesn't
symbolize a grand re-opening and powering up the vault server again
but that day will come, hopefully this year.
I look at slashdot every few months and hey presto "Neo-Patronage"
is the new buzzword for what we called "Online Busking" a decade ago.
I look forward to attempting to integrate this publisher into the
tipjar empire. Got to get the empire's tendrils a little farther
than the entrepreneur's own kitchen first.
Thanks for your support.
rsync.net
DirDB::FTP
You have to have a lot of volume before "interest on the float" becomes viable.
All the points made on this page are good ones -- well all of them with decent moderation scores anyway -- anyone who has a clear sense of what the perfect internet treasury service should look like and is willing to compromise that vision slightly in the name of practicality, and who is willing to work for shares against the future
profits rather than a current paycheck, and who would want to help revive an old brand -- tipjar is older than paypal -- please fill out the comment form at tipjar.com and send me a message.
The people who comment on this slashdot post may become the core of the tipjar advisory board committee mailing list -- that would be ideal.
Tipjar began when I was the treasurer of the University of Kansas City Association for Computing Machinery studetn chapter, which meant that I was responsible for collecting dues and writing checks from the club bank account. This was in the early nineties. the Common Gateway Interface standard had just been finalized, and I decided to write a web service to allow new club members to sign up, and pay their dues.
I realized that the general problem -- a web-service that models cash -- would be just as easy to solve as the specific problem -- managing the database of the club membership -- so I decided to solve that.
The president of the club thought that operating a general purpose micropayments service was outside the scope of the charter of our club, so tipjar LLC was incorporated in '95 or '96 and I set up the tipjar.com web service, with security provided by keeping the "vault" of financial info -- the accounts database -- on a computer that only connected to the internet to exchange current transactions with the web service every few minutes over a dialup modem then disconnected, which ran on a 75 mhz pentium in the breakfast nook of my studio apartment. A full size tower case with rotating feet, with a label that says "Trillian 386." I still have it. It may resume the role at some point. The feet are cute, and the HGTTG reference is priceless.
Version 2 of the vault was opject oriented and ran on the same machine but in a friend's basement, where it was restricted to only call out every ninety minutes and was quite the annoyance on their phone line.
Later version 2 was moved to the back room of the "itsy bitsy spider day care" which was the first day care anywhere as far as we know to provide real-time pictures of the day care on a web page, for the benefit of the parents.
Version 2 has been shuttled around to various places, but hasn't operated since early 2005 -- there are hundreds of transactions entered into the system right now that will get processed when vault version 2 is powered up again.
Tipjar models cash as follows:
I experimented with taking credit cards through KAGI once and was defrauded.
Paypal is essentially tipjar plus credit cards.
The other tipjar products -- the advenge/pay2send e-mail stamping scheme, the "tipjar debt framework" system, and other ideas that there may be a demand for -- may make just as much sense built on top of a generic transactions layer as on top of an in-house transactions layer.
As a federally registered "money handling service" tipjar has to report large transactions -- more than ten thousan
so how much additional gear do you need to connect
a commodity NAT cable-modem router to your one modem?
Can't be much.
got to get new glasses: I initially read this "i cast spells on
myself that made me impervious to women" instead of irresistable
sounds like a firefox plug-in. Is it yet? Would it need its own /usr/share/dict/words or the ms equivalent? :)
dictionary or can it use
Could it be a remotely hosted service? Connect to spelling-central.example.com
and run your whole form by the editor there before you post it -- imagine
the surveillence potential if the service was run by the shadow government
Or the global mesh of cooperating, overlapping wireless footprints?
Things are better in both the past and the future.
Does someone (the dotGnu project, perhaps) have
a big matrix of all SSI proposals, both open
and closed? Since I came up with my own, TJAIS
or DGAIS (since AIS is completely useless as
a searchable term due to noise from AI), about
a year ago, I can't stop myself from mentioning
it as if it has any hope at all of getting mindshare
(what? David Nicol? That crank? Isn't he a DJB
sock puppet or something?) in the free SSI protocol
space.
Seriously, looking at theoretic.com gives links to
PingID. Way to hold back, IamTheRealMike! I lack
your fortitude. AIS description, such as it is,
hangs off of
http://pay2send.com/cgi/ais/about
AIS is a protocol for exporting a SSI domain (any kind) to remote web services, passing messages
via both the user, by Location headers, and a
back-channel between the remote service and the
AIS service.
There are a few defined primitives, and room to
expand.
It is offered as a standards-track proposal.
david nicol (hurried and working on other things)
it doesn't (unless I missed the thing to which
you are referring) work outside of one controlled
domain. There is not a standard way to send
a query (well there is, it is identd, but nobody
does it and it does not work beyond the single
machine level) and find out who you are. AIS is
such a proposal, for web services, as are all the
others.
how long until someone writes an
AIS server
to sit on top of Sun's server?
http://www.pay2send.com/ais/ for more info,
including a working AIS server (although there
is much work to be done on all of it)
I wrote and published a web-based SSI protocol
/.ers are calling for. Let's use it!
at
http://www.pay2send.com/ais/AIS.html
Since I've draggegd my heels about patenting the
damn thing, there are no IP restrictions on it
Please feel free to implement AIS servers and
embed AIS clients in your web services.
I even wrote an AIS client module and uploaded it
to CPAN as CGI::AIS::Session.pm
view the embedded documentation
AIS is the "Let's do something better!" that some of you
I always found it curious that paypal.com appeared a few months after I e-mailed the entire code to
the server behind tipjar.com to someone in california who said they were going to help extend
it, and who I never heard from after that.
Anyway, tipjar.com continues to provide it's
pathetic level of service and eye candy (even though H&R block has now gotten on the "bright
green == money" band wagon) and we are doing
a redesign of the static web page instructions
currently, and will be releasing a GPL version
of the tipjar software, to be called "dotGNU CashBox" some time this year, which will turn
any merchant selling some good or service into
-- ha, get this -- the central bank of a virtual
nation that deals in a currency backed by whatever
good or service you are selling. No really,
isn't "in-store credit" a kind of currency issuable
by any store? Is it not possible to satisfy a
personal IOU between two regulars at Zest-o-burger
with coupons for Zest-o-burgers?
Getting mentioned in the NY TIMES and USA TOADY
isn't a kick in the teeth, either
Can't the challenge come in response to the suit
to enforce the patent?
Apple: I have patented this technique! Pay!
FSF: No. There is prior art. Sue me.
Later:
Apple: Your honor, I have patented this technique! Order these scofflaws to pay!
FSF: There is prior art. See?
Judge: So there is. Dismissed. (bang)
Even later:
Apple: I have patented this technique! Pay!
FSF: No. There is prior art. Sue me.
Later:
Apple: You are using my patent! Pay!
someone: The README file on this free package indicated that you might show up and make that
demans, and suggested that I remind you that your
attempts to enforce this patent have all been
dismissed due to the prior art.
Apple: Curses! Foiled again!
(I'm not a lawyer but I have played Nomic and
I have won a case in small claims court and I
write my own contracts with the help of books
from the public library)
A neighbor in an apartment building I was in in
1999 built a water-cooling extension for the heat
sink in his PC by soldering small copper tubes
between the fins of the heat sink that was already
there and running tubes from them to a jar of
water that was above the board.
As anyone who has worked with pumpless solar water
heating knows (I myself read an article on this in
popular science in the early eighties) to have
thermal circulation you want the reservoir of cool
water to be above your umm, solar panel.
postercommently diagram available
A passive water cooling system can be built on
the same principles: substitute a heat sink with
tubing attached to it for the solar panel and
there you are.
During periods of intense load you can throw some
ice into your cooling tank -- but then there is a
danger of condensation.
As long as the whole system is at ambient temp.
or above, condensation will not happen.
It is easy to imagine a server farm with cooling
hoses running from each machine to a large central
cooling tank with lots and lots of fins on it
or more aggressive cooling strategies. Once the
heat is out of the enclosure, size considerations
are no longer as important.
Rack mounted automotive radiators, anyone?