I'm sorry for posting as an AC, but the/. login doesn't seem to be working (no matter what I type in to the captcha, it doesn't let me verify my password!).
This guy is God as far as software at this company goes. He can do what he wants and unless there's a major catastrophe, his supervisors will let him continue to do so. If what you say is accurate, then he's made up his mind and there is no reason to change it at all.
You ask for "the best way for [you] to argue..." That's it right there. As long as you argue, you lose. He doesn't want to argue, he wants to be right and that, by definition, is what he is for anything he says at this company. He doesn't want to hear from you, doesn't care, and in any argument, if he so much as listens, he is indulging you.
True, he's an idiot, but that doesn't matter. He has no reason to change so he won't.
If you want him to change, remember he's like electricity: He takes the path of least resistance. For him to change or even look into change, then that path has to be made easier than him not even bothering to look.
When you can make it easier for him to look at FOSS than it is to ignore it, he'll start looking, but not until then -- and likely not even then if he has a grudge against it and doesn't want to admit it.
Maybe 12 regenerations are how many they are given, like in Logan's Run people were allowed to live to 21 (or 30 in the crappy movie) and without any other Timelords, there might be nothing preventing The Doctor from regenerating as much as he wants.
Yeah, but you know darn well, after David Tenant (#10) leaves and they go through another 3 (yes, 12 regenerations = 13 incarnations), they'll find some special way for him to regenerate more than that. Maybe it's just an average of 12 regenerations.
You're a fake! If you really knew anything about ST:TNG, you'd know that any technobabble had to include mention of variable tri-phase inversion or the variable tri-phase inverter.
I think that's an excellent point. I'll take it one step more and suggest looking at how long it took Red Hat to reach the point they're in as far as enterprise, then look at how quickly Ubuntu is moving into that same space. Along with that, Ubuntu has the end user version, which, as you've pointed out, pulls in many people who might later be making enterprise decisions.
It's quite possible that in the not to distant future, Red Hat may find they're choking on the dust from Ubuntu. If that happens, that response will certainly sound like "famous last words."
The idea of "Why should we cooperate when we're kicking ass" just seems too egocentric and short sighted to ever sound like it was wise in the long run.
Along with the will, though, there can be trusts or other entities that exist. Yes, the dead person is gone without rights, but trusts could have been created with terms that control them as well. That's what we've done to handle things with our family and my will creates some trusts as well. This takes care of tangibles as well as some instructions for intangibles.
Another example, which might be more germane to this situation, is Mark Twain. There are works of his that are still unpublished and are not to be published until 2010, 100 years after his death. Toward the end his writings became quite dark and his family held on to some with this request because they didn't want a slew of dark works to change his reputation.
In this case, though, he didn't leave any requests where they could be easily found or with a lawyer. It's possible this guy could have left documents on his computers and we don't have clarification of whether the family has tried to read anything on his computers yet.
Thanks for that point. People seem to forget that product placement used to be the norm. It was also done in many cases in radio shows. Listen to the old Jack Benny show (you can find episodes at the Internet archive: http://www.archive.org/details/oldtimeradio). They mentioned the sponsor quite often in shows and even joked about it. I can't remember the show, but in early TV there was a detective who would often stop in a tobacco shop during the show and talk about his favorite brand of cigar or cigarette with the people in the shop. It was an ad, but done as product placement. TVLand did a service a while back by showing an original (yet updated) version of the original "I Love Lucy" pilot and during such shows the stars would often do the ads themselves or the ads were integrated into the show.
It's not new and it's tiring to see all these people that think it is.
Not to mention hurling whomever/whatever is the payload into space with the force of the largest man-made slingshot.
Sounds like something I remember seeing as a kid. So the passengers either end up on a planet very much like Earth, but where they're tiny and everyone else is a giant, or they end up lost on an alien planet with a mechanical sounding robot and stow-away agent who's scared of everything (including work).
In "The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg," Mark Twain warned about this kind of thing. The town was so proud of their righteousness that they wanted to keep that reputation so they made sure kids were never subjected to temptation so they'd never do bad things, then a stranger comes by, gets fed up with their self righteousness that all he does is tempt all the leading citizens. Since none of them have had much experience with temptation or resisting greed, they all fall in his trap and he shows how corruptible they are.
They change the two motto from "Lead us not into temptation" to "Lead us into temptation" because they learn that only by dealing with temptation will they learn to fight it.
It's the same thing here, just took over 100 years later for anyone to actually have the guts to stand up and say it.
It made a man sleep for 500 years and emerge in the same state in which he went in, and that was gas only.
At least that's how it happened in the original Buck Rogers story. He was in a mine and exposed to gas that put him to sleep and he awoke 500 years later.
Given that your main objection to JavaScript seems to be that you refuse to learn the paradigms it espouses
Quote the part in either of my posts where I state that is my main objection.
I didn't.
I never gave or stated any specific objections to JavaScript. I (thankfully) haven't had to use it in 4 years
Yet, somehow, someone seems to think I did, and you seem quite eager to take that misunderstanding and use it as an excuse to make judgements about someone you don't know.
While you're at it, do you want to go trolling with any other observations about me that have absolutely no basis in fact?
I see. Rather than talk about the subject, you'd rather focus on ad hominem attacks.
You have no idea whether or not I'm a good programmer, so you have no qualifications to make that judgement.
And, incidentally, I was not focusing on the incompatibilities, but it's interesting you assume so.
In the past 6 years I've taught myself 6-8 languages that didn't even exist when I used to program in 6502 Assembler. It's been enough to create a small business that sustains itself on 2 hours of work a week and still provides a nice steady income.
My first program written to go on clients' computers produced a total of 6 (actually 5, depending on what you count) bugs over 18 months before it was replaced with v. 2.0, which has produced 1 or 2 bugs since mid 2005.
So, obviously, since I can make a good living on my software and can produce code with relatively few bugs, you've got to be right and I've got to be a poor workman...
JavaScript is just plain weak. It should have been replaced with something with something more powerful years ago.
So yes, you're right, I don't know a damn thing about Debian or Debian on the desktop.
Seriously, Debian can be used on the desktop. So can Slack or just about any distro out there, but Debian was designed for "set it up and forget it" server usage.
By the same token, my 1986 Mercedes 560SL convertible has a kick-ass engine and I can use it to haul trailers full of wood or bricks, but that's not what it's designed for. There are word processors written in Java, but they never work as well as ones in something like C or C++. I have next to me an 8 CD set of the last season of a hard-to-find radio show. I can use those CDs as coasters or frisbees if I want. It's not the best use of my 560SL, Java, or my CDs, but I can use them as such.
The same is true with Debian. It's designed for server use. That doesn't mean it can't or won't work on the desktop, but the intent all along has been more focused on servers. If you think otherwise, hang out on the Debian-Users list for a few weeks and see what most of the questions and topics deal with. The vast majority are not about how to get a game to work or other desktop questions. Most topics are more applicable for server or workhorse situations.
But then, I wouldn't know a damned thing about Debian. After all, just because I've been experimenting with it since Potato and have been using it on my computers for years, including on laptops, doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about and it's quite clear, from your brilliant logic, the plethora of facts you use to back up every statement you make, and your focus on pure logic instead of any emotional and reactionary statements, that you know everything about Debian.
It may work on a desktop, but if you have been using it for 10 years, then you know the focus has been elsewhere and only recently has there been a focus on creating something that's easier to install.
I'm also making a bit of a distinction here you may not follow. There's a difference between using a distro on the desktop and a distro being intended for a desktop. But that's a whole different topic and I'd rather discuss it with someone who is more interested in dealing with facts than spending several sentences calling me a liar because they disagree with me.
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Yeah, but I, Worker? Why not something like Universal Worker, or give the maker a name, like Rotham's Universal Workers?
Sounds like a remake to me.
Fine with me. I didn't want to post as an AC. Whatever wasn't working, or whatever looked like it wasn't working -- I'm glad it did work.
Yeah, just plain weird. I couldn't login, but when I posted, it came up under my account.
Still, not something I'm going to waste any time trying to figure out.
I'm sorry for posting as an AC, but the /. login doesn't seem to be working (no matter what I type in to the captcha, it doesn't let me verify my password!).
This guy is God as far as software at this company goes. He can do what he wants and unless there's a major catastrophe, his supervisors will let him continue to do so. If what you say is accurate, then he's made up his mind and there is no reason to change it at all.
You ask for "the best way for [you] to argue..." That's it right there. As long as you argue, you lose. He doesn't want to argue, he wants to be right and that, by definition, is what he is for anything he says at this company. He doesn't want to hear from you, doesn't care, and in any argument, if he so much as listens, he is indulging you.
True, he's an idiot, but that doesn't matter. He has no reason to change so he won't.
If you want him to change, remember he's like electricity: He takes the path of least resistance. For him to change or even look into change, then that path has to be made easier than him not even bothering to look.
When you can make it easier for him to look at FOSS than it is to ignore it, he'll start looking, but not until then -- and likely not even then if he has a grudge against it and doesn't want to admit it.
Maybe 12 regenerations are how many they are given, like in Logan's Run people were allowed to live to 21 (or 30 in the crappy movie) and without any other Timelords, there might be nothing preventing The Doctor from regenerating as much as he wants.
Yeah, but you know darn well, after David Tenant (#10) leaves and they go through another 3 (yes, 12 regenerations = 13 incarnations), they'll find some special way for him to regenerate more than that. Maybe it's just an average of 12 regenerations.
You're a fake! If you really knew anything about ST:TNG, you'd know that any technobabble had to include mention of variable tri-phase inversion or the variable tri-phase inverter.
Geordi didn't steal the idea.
The entire reason he wears the visor is so others won't recognize that he's really the 15th Doctor!
I think that's an excellent point. I'll take it one step more and suggest looking at how long it took Red Hat to reach the point they're in as far as enterprise, then look at how quickly Ubuntu is moving into that same space. Along with that, Ubuntu has the end user version, which, as you've pointed out, pulls in many people who might later be making enterprise decisions.
It's quite possible that in the not to distant future, Red Hat may find they're choking on the dust from Ubuntu. If that happens, that response will certainly sound like "famous last words."
The idea of "Why should we cooperate when we're kicking ass" just seems too egocentric and short sighted to ever sound like it was wise in the long run.
So that means we won't find out what really happened at the Battle of Canary Wharf after all?
Along with the will, though, there can be trusts or other entities that exist. Yes, the dead person is gone without rights, but trusts could have been created with terms that control them as well. That's what we've done to handle things with our family and my will creates some trusts as well. This takes care of tangibles as well as some instructions for intangibles.
That sounds ALMOST like the kind of combination an idiot would pick for their luggage...
Another example, which might be more germane to this situation, is Mark Twain. There are works of his that are still unpublished and are not to be published until 2010, 100 years after his death. Toward the end his writings became quite dark and his family held on to some with this request because they didn't want a slew of dark works to change his reputation.
In this case, though, he didn't leave any requests where they could be easily found or with a lawyer. It's possible this guy could have left documents on his computers and we don't have clarification of whether the family has tried to read anything on his computers yet.
Thanks for that point. People seem to forget that product placement used to be the norm. It was also done in many cases in radio shows. Listen to the old Jack Benny show (you can find episodes at the Internet archive: http://www.archive.org/details/oldtimeradio). They mentioned the sponsor quite often in shows and even joked about it. I can't remember the show, but in early TV there was a detective who would often stop in a tobacco shop during the show and talk about his favorite brand of cigar or cigarette with the people in the shop. It was an ad, but done as product placement. TVLand did a service a while back by showing an original (yet updated) version of the original "I Love Lucy" pilot and during such shows the stars would often do the ads themselves or the ads were integrated into the show.
It's not new and it's tiring to see all these people that think it is.
... There are many copies. And they have a plan. But that's toasters, not printers...Sounds like this is a job for the Tower of Kalidasa.
Not to mention hurling whomever/whatever is the payload into space with the force of the largest man-made slingshot.
Sounds like something I remember seeing as a kid. So the passengers either end up on a planet very much like Earth, but where they're tiny and everyone else is a giant, or they end up lost on an alien planet with a mechanical sounding robot and stow-away agent who's scared of everything (including work).
In "The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg," Mark Twain warned about this kind of thing. The town was so proud of their righteousness that they wanted to keep that reputation so they made sure kids were never subjected to temptation so they'd never do bad things, then a stranger comes by, gets fed up with their self righteousness that all he does is tempt all the leading citizens. Since none of them have had much experience with temptation or resisting greed, they all fall in his trap and he shows how corruptible they are.
They change the two motto from "Lead us not into temptation" to "Lead us into temptation" because they learn that only by dealing with temptation will they learn to fight it.
It's the same thing here, just took over 100 years later for anyone to actually have the guts to stand up and say it.
It made a man sleep for 500 years and emerge in the same state in which he went in, and that was gas only.
At least that's how it happened in the original Buck Rogers story. He was in a mine and exposed to gas that put him to sleep and he awoke 500 years later.
I keep forgetting just how many people on /. are, for some reason, so literal, they have a serious problem with the concept of hyperbole.
Shows you what you know. I've been a dead ringer for Homer for the past 3 years!
I only wear the blue wig when...
Well, you really don't need to know anything about that!
Given that your main objection to JavaScript seems to be that you refuse to learn the paradigms it espouses
Quote the part in either of my posts where I state that is my main objection.
I didn't.
I never gave or stated any specific objections to JavaScript. I (thankfully) haven't had to use it in 4 years
Yet, somehow, someone seems to think I did, and you seem quite eager to take that misunderstanding and use it as an excuse to make judgements about someone you don't know.
While you're at it, do you want to go trolling with any other observations about me that have absolutely no basis in fact?
I see. Rather than talk about the subject, you'd rather focus on ad hominem attacks.
You have no idea whether or not I'm a good programmer, so you have no qualifications to make that judgement.
And, incidentally, I was not focusing on the incompatibilities, but it's interesting you assume so.
In the past 6 years I've taught myself 6-8 languages that didn't even exist when I used to program in 6502 Assembler. It's been enough to create a small business that sustains itself on 2 hours of work a week and still provides a nice steady income.
My first program written to go on clients' computers produced a total of 6 (actually 5, depending on what you count) bugs over 18 months before it was replaced with v. 2.0, which has produced 1 or 2 bugs since mid 2005.
So, obviously, since I can make a good living on my software and can produce code with relatively few bugs, you've got to be right and I've got to be a poor workman...
JavaScript is just plain weak. It should have been replaced with something with something more powerful years ago.
I'll go even farther. JavaScript has not only always sucked, but should be replaced with something closer to a real language.
I'd love to see JavaScript outdated or made obsolete by a real language each browser could understand.
So tell me, how do you really feel?
Did try it with Potato, Woody, and Sarge.
So yes, you're right, I don't know a damn thing about Debian or Debian on the desktop.
Seriously, Debian can be used on the desktop. So can Slack or just about any distro out there, but Debian was designed for "set it up and forget it" server usage.
By the same token, my 1986 Mercedes 560SL convertible has a kick-ass engine and I can use it to haul trailers full of wood or bricks, but that's not what it's designed for. There are word processors written in Java, but they never work as well as ones in something like C or C++. I have next to me an 8 CD set of the last season of a hard-to-find radio show. I can use those CDs as coasters or frisbees if I want. It's not the best use of my 560SL, Java, or my CDs, but I can use them as such.
The same is true with Debian. It's designed for server use. That doesn't mean it can't or won't work on the desktop, but the intent all along has been more focused on servers. If you think otherwise, hang out on the Debian-Users list for a few weeks and see what most of the questions and topics deal with. The vast majority are not about how to get a game to work or other desktop questions. Most topics are more applicable for server or workhorse situations.
But then, I wouldn't know a damned thing about Debian. After all, just because I've been experimenting with it since Potato and have been using it on my computers for years, including on laptops, doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about and it's quite clear, from your brilliant logic, the plethora of facts you use to back up every statement you make, and your focus on pure logic instead of any emotional and reactionary statements, that you know everything about Debian.
It may work on a desktop, but if you have been using it for 10 years, then you know the focus has been elsewhere and only recently has there been a focus on creating something that's easier to install.
I'm also making a bit of a distinction here you may not follow. There's a difference between using a distro on the desktop and a distro being intended for a desktop. But that's a whole different topic and I'd rather discuss it with someone who is more interested in dealing with facts than spending several sentences calling me a liar because they disagree with me.