Those who cry about free-speech issues, are just anal or incapable of the critical thinking necessary to realize that there really is no issue there.
I think you need a mirror. What YOU classify as inappropriate for your children maybe different from what I or others belive. Just because someone says "It's for the children", does not make it so.
Who decides what goes where? Which "moral set" controls it? A group in Kentucky will have different criteria than one based in California.
I belive violence is a worse threat to kids than sex is, what about a.violent domain?
Or you can setup your browser so that ICRA ratings are required and don't let your kids view unrated sites. My daughter I let surf unencumbered, but I track her logs via proxy (which she can't defeat); My son on the other hand is restricted via ratings and a list to where he can go.
MHO, if you've never seen a command prompt, you aren't ready to take an intro to C++ class.
You mean a DOS command prompt... My command prompts under FreeBSD don't look like that...:) It also looks like the class should have been called Introduction to MS C++.
This reminds me of the Community collage district for Harris and Montegomery counties in Texas. To take just about ANY of their programming classes, you have to first taken their classes on MS Office.
What does MS Office have to do with programming C++? Or what does a DOS command prompt have to do with it?
NOTHING! I think the district had this requirement due to some contract they had with MS...
I ended up having to pay extra to take the foundation classes I wanted online because I saw no need to learn MS Office in-depth. I do my C++ programming under FreeBSD, DOS not required...
Except the new X licensed would seem to me to make linking X librarys into GPL'd code a violation of the GPL, as well as adding the onus of the advertising clause to EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM that uses the X libraries.
What????
Try it again. Include a page in the docs that has the 1.1 license on it and don't use the name "The XFree86 Project, Inc" in advertising, and your covered.
This is not a virual license at all. It only applies to distributions of XFree86 itself. Not other apps.
I think the big bitch is that it can't be GPL'ed due to the 4th clause.
Remember, "GPL compatiable" only means that the source can be GPL'ed ontop of another license. Thats all.
It's *written* consent from all authors. It's just like the old BSD license when it had the advertising license where you had to list all contributors of a project if you advertised the software. Meaning if you had 1000 developers for a project that would easily fill an entire page in a magazine.
Huh?
Where do you see that in the 4 clause license? It only has 4 requirements. 1. All source distributions must include the license. 2. Binary distributions must include the license in the same location as other copyright licenses. 3. End user docs (if any) must include an acknowlegement of use. 4. You can not use the name The XFree86 Project, Inc in advertising without prior permission.
There is NOTHING else there. Where does "Version 1.1 of XFree86 Project License" say what you said?
Plus when you factor in that fact that it was NOT FCC certified for home use (I was the tech at one of the major houston Atari dealers in 1990, and we had everyone that bought one sign a disclaimer that it was going to used in an industrial area), welllll...
The only people I remember buying them were the studio people that were already using Mega4s for audio editing, plus one or two other people I thought had more money than sense.
Silver is the best conductor, but it tarnishes pretty easily, killing it's conductivity. That's why you don't see silver-plated connectors on premium audio cables
At audio freqs, the tarnish does not matter. It is not until you start getting into VHF and UHF that skin effect comes into play. And unlike the copper oxides, silver oxides conduct quite well...:)
The copper oxides are bad conductors of just about everything. Silver oxides on the other hand work almost as well as the real thing.
This is why you get your loading coil made from copper tubbing silver plated; At the higher freqs, most of your current is travelling in the outer most layer of your conductor (due to skin effect).
You could of course get it gold plated, and then not worry about it at all. But I'd rather not worry about my amplifier getting stolen due to it's gold plated coils...:)
I belive that they have ONE driver source tree and just do builds outside the tree based on platform. If they had to recreate their entire build system/layout just Linux, they may not have even supported it...
So have I, but I don't have a single drive that would be less than 5 years old that hasn't been replaced under warranty at least once.
What the hell are you doing to those things? I think I've had 1 drive go bad in the last 6 or 7 years, and I've bought atleast 25 or 30 of them (not counting customer drives). And the one that did go bad was an off brand (real nice looking, supposedly american made, died 2 months after purchase and the company was out of business, Arggh) anyway.
Either your buying your drives from Crazy John's Refurb shop, or something is going on. If drives were really that bad, there is not a company that would still be in business, if because of support costs if nothing else.
BTW, all of my drives are either on or off for extended periods.
Because SCO already said that they're going after BSD next.
That is the LAST can of worms that they would want to open. What would happen if they had to strip ALL UC BSD code from SysV? It would be in pieces, to say the least. Or how about paying a fine for every Sys(III|V) code license distributed that contained UC BSD code? Or...
AT&T/Novell was in violation of the UC copyrights. If it was not for the agreement, they would have started paying out big bucks. Plus, SCO does NOT have a basis to reopen the case.
The *BSDs have nothing to worry about from SCO as far as the agreement goes. New code since then is a different matter; And unlike Linux, the three major BSDs have had ALL of their system code in CVS since day one, it would be VERY easy to see who inserted what and when.
Considering that only about 8% of the windows users are running XP (95, 98 and 2000 are the majority), then his comments still stand. The recent spate of articles on MS dropping support for Win98 has posted the ratios quite clearly.
US citizens fighting against the US in foreign countries and subsequently captured as POWs are being held under rules of war, rather than as criminals.
He was never a "enemy combantant"! He is part of the so called "dirty bomb" plot. He was arrested on American soil. As far as I'm concerned, an American arrested on American soil has the full weight of the Constitution behind them. Here is a link to a VERY recent Fox News article on the subject.
Maybe I should have clarified my reply by replacing violence with gratuitous violence. I've got no problem with my kids watching nature shows. But I am careful about letting them watch south park, the simpsons, movies/shows that glorify violence, etc, etc. Just like I don't like to let them watch shows that have sex just for having sex (ie the tit/body flashing "B" movies); They watch them anyway but...
Consent is everything. A 4 year old cannot consent because they don't know any better.
Sorry, this will get a little bit off topic, but you hit a pet peave of mine; this is NOT an attack on your post.
Yes, I do belive consent plays a part; Consententing adults should not be interfered with. But at what age are you an adult? 18 years old? How about 14 years old? How do you decide?
And if a 14 (or anybody under 17) year old can not give consent/is not an adult, why charge them as an adult if they commit a crime? And this is where we (talking about the USA here) as a society fail our childern.
If child 14 years old is not mature enough to vote, drink, drive, have sex, sign contracts, etc, etc, they should never be able to be charged as an adult, with adult like punishment!
Sorry, if they can be held to adult levels of maturity for purposes of being charged as a criminal (i.e. knowing right from wrong), then that must mean that they mature enough for everything else. You can not pick and choose!
As a parent, depictions of violence are of far more concern to me than mundane human body parts.
I'm a parent and I agree. It seems that USA is one of the few countries that seem to think that sex (in general, in particular or any other way, period!) is worse than the display of violence. I see violence as much worse than the display of the human body. Sex is natural, violence is not.
Oral sex is still outlawed in some states. If caught, you would be a sex offender.
No, the SC threw out all of the state the sodomy laws (which oral and anal sex fall under) a couple of months ago during the appeal of a gay couple caught in the act in Houston, Texas.
That is a question that came up, what happens to convictions when the SC declares a law invalid?
The fedora.info site of the complaining fedora project is using a tm symbol next to thier name on the site, but they have not registered it with the US trademark office.
The [tm] symbol is for claimed trademarks. Now if they had a [R] (read that as a R in a circle) symbol, then it would be REGISTERED trademark. Big differences...:)
the kernel of MacOS X, IIRC, is based on Mach rather than BSD.
Well Mach had a bit of BSD in it, but the real question is what happen to the NeXT source license? And how will SCO deal with that? Unless they can prove that Apple put UNIX code into Darwin, they are most likely shielded from action. Plus, I think Apple still has a license of their own...
Whats even worse is that the code in question (From 32V and Version 7) has since been put under a old-style BSD copyright. I think that would play a big part in any new cases.
There is one factor that helps SCO now. Copyright laws have changed so the argument that 32V Unix had lost its copyright is shakey at best.
Huh? 32V never lost it's copyright, Caldera Int., opened up Version 7 and 32V with a old-style BSD license. HERE is a link to a message with the new license attached.
I don't see a court allowing them to cancel the license and then go after people that had correctly followed it.
I think the last thing SCO wants is to go barking at the *BSDs...
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Those who cry about free-speech issues, are just anal or incapable of the critical thinking necessary to realize that there really is no issue there.
.violent domain?
I think you need a mirror. What YOU classify as inappropriate for your children maybe different from what I or others belive. Just because someone says "It's for the children", does not make it so.
Who decides what goes where? Which "moral set" controls it? A group in Kentucky will have different criteria than one based in California.
I belive violence is a worse threat to kids than sex is, what about a
Or you can setup your browser so that ICRA ratings are required and don't let your kids view unrated sites. My daughter I let surf unencumbered, but I track her logs via proxy (which she can't defeat); My son on the other hand is restricted via ratings and a list to where he can go.
BWP
MHO, if you've never seen a command prompt, you aren't ready to take an intro to C++ class.
You mean a DOS command prompt... My command prompts under FreeBSD don't look like that...:) It also looks like the class should have been called Introduction to MS C++.
This reminds me of the Community collage district for Harris and Montegomery counties in Texas. To take just about ANY of their programming classes, you have to first taken their classes on MS Office.
What does MS Office have to do with programming C++? Or what does a DOS command prompt have to do with it?
NOTHING! I think the district had this requirement due to some contract they had with MS...
I ended up having to pay extra to take the foundation classes I wanted online because I saw no need to learn MS Office in-depth. I do my C++ programming under FreeBSD, DOS not required...
BWP
Except the new X licensed would seem to me to make linking X librarys into GPL'd code a violation of the GPL, as well as adding the onus of the advertising clause to EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM that uses the X libraries.
What????
Try it again. Include a page in the docs that has the 1.1 license on it and don't use the name "The XFree86 Project, Inc" in advertising, and your covered.
This is not a virual license at all. It only applies to distributions of XFree86 itself. Not other apps.
I think the big bitch is that it can't be GPL'ed due to the 4th clause.
Remember, "GPL compatiable" only means that the source can be GPL'ed ontop of another license. Thats all.
BWP
It's *written* consent from all authors. It's just like the old BSD license when it had the advertising license where you had to list all contributors of a project if you advertised the software. Meaning if you had 1000 developers for a project that would easily fill an entire page in a magazine.
Huh?
Where do you see that in the 4 clause license?
It only has 4 requirements.
1. All source distributions must include the license.
2. Binary distributions must include the license in the same location as other copyright licenses.
3. End user docs (if any) must include an acknowlegement of use.
4. You can not use the name The XFree86 Project, Inc in advertising without prior permission.
There is NOTHING else there. Where does "Version 1.1 of XFree86 Project License" say what you said?
BWP
How many commercials for the Jaguar did you see?
Plus when you factor in that fact that it was NOT FCC certified for home use (I was the tech at one of the major houston Atari dealers in 1990, and we had everyone that bought one sign a disclaimer that it was going to used in an industrial area), welllll...
The only people I remember buying them were the studio people that were already using Mega4s for audio editing, plus one or two other people I thought had more money than sense.
BWP
Silver is the best conductor, but it tarnishes pretty easily, killing it's conductivity. That's why you don't see silver-plated connectors on premium audio cables
At audio freqs, the tarnish does not matter. It is not until you start getting into VHF and UHF that skin effect comes into play. And unlike the copper oxides, silver oxides conduct quite well...:)
BWP
Copper paste would oxidize, wouldn't it?
The copper oxides are bad conductors of just about everything. Silver oxides on the other hand work almost as well as the real thing.
This is why you get your loading coil made from copper tubbing silver plated; At the higher freqs, most of your current is travelling in the outer most layer of your conductor (due to skin effect).
You could of course get it gold plated, and then not worry about it at all. But I'd rather not worry about my amplifier getting stolen due to it's gold plated coils...:)
BWP
How is anyone related to the development of the Linux kernel responsible for what comes with the GNU C library?
Because the files in question are kernel headers, not libc headers...
BWP
I belive that they have ONE driver source tree and just do builds outside the tree based on platform. If they had to recreate their entire build system/layout just Linux, they may not have even supported it...
BWP
My post was in reply to someone who stated that if Linux was in violation, then the BSDs had to be also.
The USL copyright statements in the BSD files are why the BSDs are NOT in violation.
BWP
If Linux is in violation, than BSD must be in violation as well.
Nope, the BSD header files carry the AT&T copyright statement as required by the settlement, do the Linux ones carry it???
BWP
So have I, but I don't have a single drive that would be less than 5 years old that hasn't been replaced under warranty at least once.
What the hell are you doing to those things? I think I've had 1 drive go bad in the last 6 or 7 years, and I've bought atleast 25 or 30 of them (not counting customer drives). And the one that did go bad was an off brand (real nice looking, supposedly american made, died 2 months after purchase and the company was out of business, Arggh) anyway.
Either your buying your drives from Crazy John's Refurb shop, or something is going on. If drives were really that bad, there is not a company that would still be in business, if because of support costs if nothing else.
BTW, all of my drives are either on or off for extended periods.
BWP
Because SCO already said that they're going after BSD next.
That is the LAST can of worms that they would want to open. What would happen if they had to strip ALL UC BSD code from SysV? It would be in pieces, to say the least. Or how about paying a fine for every Sys(III|V) code license distributed that contained UC BSD code? Or...
AT&T/Novell was in violation of the UC copyrights. If it was not for the agreement, they would have started paying out big bucks. Plus, SCO does NOT have a basis to reopen the case.
The *BSDs have nothing to worry about from SCO as far as the agreement goes. New code since then is a different matter; And unlike Linux, the three major BSDs have had ALL of their system code in CVS since day one, it would be VERY easy to see who inserted what and when.
BWP
Well w3schools show XP at 19% so who knows?
It is less than 51% by any measure, so the majority of MS Windows users still deal with DLL Hell.
My original claim still stands.
BWP
BTW, how did I misquote the study?
Windows XP doesn't suffer from that issue
Considering that only about 8% of the windows users are running XP (95, 98 and 2000 are the majority), then his comments still stand. The recent spate of articles on MS dropping support for Win98 has posted the ratios quite clearly.
BWP
US citizens fighting against the US in foreign countries and subsequently captured as POWs are being held under rules of war, rather than as criminals.
He was never a "enemy combantant"! He is part of the so called "dirty bomb" plot. He was arrested on American soil. As far as I'm concerned, an American arrested on American soil has the full weight of the Constitution behind them. Here is a link to a VERY recent Fox News article on the subject.
BWP
How is violence not natural?
Maybe I should have clarified my reply by replacing violence with gratuitous violence. I've got no problem with my kids watching nature shows. But I am careful about letting them watch south park, the simpsons, movies/shows that glorify violence, etc, etc. Just like I don't like to let them watch shows that have sex just for having sex (ie the tit/body flashing "B" movies); They watch them anyway but...
My 13 year old daughter is already a problem...:(
BWP
Consent is everything. A 4 year old cannot consent because they don't know any better.
Sorry, this will get a little bit off topic, but you hit a pet peave of mine; this is NOT an attack on your post.
Yes, I do belive consent plays a part; Consententing adults should not be interfered with. But at what age are you an adult? 18 years old? How about 14 years old? How do you decide?
And if a 14 (or anybody under 17) year old can not give consent/is not an adult, why charge them as an adult if they commit a crime? And this is where we (talking about the USA here) as a society fail our childern.
If child 14 years old is not mature enough to vote, drink, drive, have sex, sign contracts, etc, etc, they should never be able to be charged as an adult, with adult like punishment!
Sorry, if they can be held to adult levels of maturity for purposes of being charged as a criminal (i.e. knowing right from wrong), then that must mean that they mature enough for everything else. You can not pick and choose!
Sorry for the soapboxing.
BWP
As a parent, depictions of violence are of far more concern to me than mundane human body parts.
I'm a parent and I agree. It seems that USA is one of the few countries that seem to think that sex (in general, in particular or any other way, period!) is worse than the display of violence. I see violence as much worse than the display of the human body. Sex is natural, violence is not.
BWP
Oral sex is still outlawed in some states. If caught, you would be a sex offender.
No, the SC threw out all of the state the sodomy laws (which oral and anal sex fall under) a couple of months ago during the appeal of a gay couple caught in the act in Houston, Texas.
That is a question that came up, what happens to convictions when the SC declares a law invalid?
BWP
what about RedCap Linux??
It depends...
If you want the distro to associated with bloodthirsty fairies, please go right on ahead.:)
The fedora.info site of the complaining fedora project is using a tm symbol next to thier name on the site, but they have not registered it with the US trademark office.
The [tm] symbol is for claimed trademarks. Now if they had a [R] (read that as a R in a circle) symbol, then it would be REGISTERED trademark. Big differences...:)
BWP
the kernel of MacOS X, IIRC, is based on Mach rather than BSD.
Well Mach had a bit of BSD in it, but the real question is what happen to the NeXT source license? And how will SCO deal with that? Unless they can prove that Apple put UNIX code into Darwin, they are most likely shielded from action. Plus, I think Apple still has a license of their own...
GWP
without a material change in the circumstances.
Whats even worse is that the code in question (From 32V and Version 7) has since been put under a old-style BSD copyright. I think that would play a big part in any new cases.
BWP
There is one factor that helps SCO now. Copyright laws have changed so the argument that 32V Unix had lost its copyright is shakey at best.
Huh? 32V never lost it's copyright, Caldera Int., opened up Version 7 and 32V with a old-style BSD license. HERE is a link to a message with the new license attached.
I don't see a court allowing them to cancel the license and then go after people that had correctly followed it.
I think the last thing SCO wants is to go barking at the *BSDs...
BWP