If I don't wear prescribed protective equipment of any kind when dealing with large quantities of a known biocide, and wind up quite literally SOAKING IN IT on a regular basis, I might get cancer or other ill effects?
And how far along is that grid-scale flywheel tech? And how are we supposed to do that in the flats of the central US? A few trillion in concrete and then megatons of dirt for every artificial reservoir? Yep. Melt salt. Google up "Ivanpah fire". Also, look up the sheer number of birds and bats killed by such schemes. Oh yes, and let's NEVER talk about the sheer amount of land use and ecological damage wrought! The grid isn't a fucking battery! They have to have the storage capacity available or you're basically just paying them to ground out the excess capacity. Yes, batteries. EXPENSIVE batteries with a limited life cycle which we quite literally DO NOT HAVE the capacity to manufacture or capital sufficient to pay for.
And your:rule of thumb" is why you get brownouts and blackouts. You don't plan for things like quiet, windless nights. You ALSO don't plan for wilder weather where it's cloudy and so windy you HAVE to shut a wind turbine down to prevent it from ripping itself apart. (Yeah. They have a maximum safe utilization factor.)
The other thing you're missing is that the US has PASSED peak grid-scale hydro. Mainly for the ecological damage it creates.
Micro-hydro has some local promise. But at grid-scale, it's insignificant.
Wind turbines and solar panels are RENEWABLE. Anyone who knows how they're made (and how they'll eventually be disposed of), as well as the ecological damage they do can tell you they're ANYTHING but "green".
Wow. Such a BRAVE AC! Talking SO tough! SUCH a badass!
*SNERK!*
Seriously, all you're doing is regurgitating decades-old bile against the energy sector. You're pissed because they aren't simply pulling unlimited free, clean energy from their asses.
Boo fuckin' hoo.
Welcome to REALITY kiddo!
And, unlike you cowardly little ACs, I DO want to pay for things.
Border walls. Nuclear power. A decent education.
But you want everything given to you. And you've invaded enough institutions with your idiocy that simple, sane requests like these WITH AN OFFER TO PAY, is met with "No no no! You can't do THAT! Because we said so!"
Fuck you.
You couldn't handle me.
We'll do whatever we want.
Yeah. Keep telling yourself this.
Out tax dollars built the grid
Not true. The institutions running the grid have been private from the start.
But, assuming it WERE, then you should have no problem coming up with the billions it takes to build yourself out a parallel grid and run it in your cockeyed fantasy of "fairness".
So pointing out the fact that the math is wrong automatically has people reaching for coal rollers...
Never mind that someone can also use the same money to finance a hybrid or a pure electrical vehicle too. Or a fuel-efficient ICE vehicle.
Or they could go out and spend a couple grand on a beater and just drive it into the ground and bank the rest.
Most people NEED to be able to get to work. And public transit isn't always an answer. Most people also have OPTIONS on where they get their power from.
And, right now, purely renewable energy is NOT the cheaper option. Reality. Not cooked numbers.
They're deploying on rooftops in California in and around the area of the Tesla HQ. They're still DEFINITELY in "testing" phase (hence why all the installs are so close to home and being monitored regularly).
It's a neat idea which isn't ready for worldwide deployment at this point.
Exactly. Nuclear (where it makes sense), Geothermal (where it makes sense), Hydro (where it makes sense) for baseline power. Augment with various forms of wind, solar and storage (and if worst comes natural gas) to handle peaking.
Places like California, where nuclear (in EARTHQUAKE COUNTRY) is a dumb idea. Places like this could become havens for grid-scale renewables and storage. They could then bring baseline power in from out of state, and sell peaking capacity back out in a form of grid-scale (or inter-grid scale) net metering.
It's also the only one that's 100% stable. It's also the only one that produces concentrated waste product. Whereas the rest simply blow byproduct out into the environment. And before you talk about wind and solar, where EXACTLY are those MEGATONS of End-Of-Life equipment going to go? LANDFILL. Because there's ZERO planning for recycling of the materials.
Until then, you're simply blowing pie in the sky. Whereas baseline is a real concern.
Remember, not every place can simply pump water uphill. Or build a bajillion flywheels, or set aside a few square miles to superheat containers of salt, etc. Worse, we simply CANNOT produce the amount of batteries that would be necessary at that level.
The thing is, "doing things in a balanced way" to keep things "balanced"?
We're being told that "We're already fucked!"
So we need something that will tip it BACK towards a "safer" or "saner" balance point.
So, all the enviro-twatwaffles need to make up their mind.
People are NOT simply going to turn over all control and authority to world governments. It's just not gonna happen. So, socially engineering people to live in caves and eat grass ain't happening. Nor is demanding that people not have kids. In most of the world, you'll simply get told to fuck off. Then, if you persist, YOU GET SHOT.
So, we're likely going to NEED geoengineering solutions to make this a reality in a realistic timeframe.
And "Well it's owned by the fossil fuel industry" isn't an excuse to sit on your thumbs and not do anything.
If the tech is REALLY that promising, you can petition governments around the planet to simply negate patents regarding this technology for the common good.
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Because too much of ANYTHING can have nasty effects on you.
Especially when the product SPECIFIES the use of protective equipment.
"Proven safe" means that when you use it within specifications, you aren't at risk.
This guy didn't do anything of the sort.
If I don't wear prescribed protective equipment of any kind when dealing with large quantities of a known biocide, and wind up quite literally SOAKING IN IT on a regular basis, I might get cancer or other ill effects?
I AM AMAZE!
I thought we'd already been through this?
They just ended their business then.
Because nobody'll ever trust their platform again.
And they just lost terabytes or exabytes of content.
Appropriately descriptive words.
Not simply whatever concatenation of syllables and non sequitur happens to fall out of my head.
The crap that rolls out of this woman's head is...I just have no words to convey the level of dumb.
Oh wow.
You can say bad words!
I am SO impressed!
Boondoggle.
You can do it. Say it! SAY IT!
Yep!
And how far along is that grid-scale flywheel tech?
And how are we supposed to do that in the flats of the central US? A few trillion in concrete and then megatons of dirt for every artificial reservoir?
Yep. Melt salt. Google up "Ivanpah fire". Also, look up the sheer number of birds and bats killed by such schemes. Oh yes, and let's NEVER talk about the sheer amount of land use and ecological damage wrought!
The grid isn't a fucking battery! They have to have the storage capacity available or you're basically just paying them to ground out the excess capacity.
Yes, batteries. EXPENSIVE batteries with a limited life cycle which we quite literally DO NOT HAVE the capacity to manufacture or capital sufficient to pay for.
And your :rule of thumb" is why you get brownouts and blackouts. You don't plan for things like quiet, windless nights.
You ALSO don't plan for wilder weather where it's cloudy and so windy you HAVE to shut a wind turbine down to prevent it from ripping itself apart. (Yeah. They have a maximum safe utilization factor.)
The other thing you're missing is that the US has PASSED peak grid-scale hydro. Mainly for the ecological damage it creates.
Micro-hydro has some local promise. But at grid-scale, it's insignificant.
Get your terminology straight kid.
Wind turbines and solar panels are RENEWABLE. Anyone who knows how they're made (and how they'll eventually be disposed of), as well as the ecological damage they do can tell you they're ANYTHING but "green".
Wow. Such a BRAVE AC!
Talking SO tough!
SUCH a badass!
*SNERK!*
Seriously, all you're doing is regurgitating decades-old bile against the energy sector.
You're pissed because they aren't simply pulling unlimited free, clean energy from their asses.
Boo fuckin' hoo.
Welcome to REALITY kiddo!
And, unlike you cowardly little ACs, I DO want to pay for things.
Border walls.
Nuclear power.
A decent education.
But you want everything given to you.
And you've invaded enough institutions with your idiocy that simple, sane requests like these WITH AN OFFER TO PAY, is met with "No no no! You can't do THAT! Because we said so!"
You couldn't handle me.
Yeah. Keep telling yourself this.
Not true. The institutions running the grid have been private from the start.
But, assuming it WERE, then you should have no problem coming up with the billions it takes to build yourself out a parallel grid and run it in your cockeyed fantasy of "fairness".
Sorry? Why should I give a shit what a dickless AC has to say?
Oh wow.
So pointing out the fact that the math is wrong automatically has people reaching for coal rollers...
Never mind that someone can also use the same money to finance a hybrid or a pure electrical vehicle too.
Or a fuel-efficient ICE vehicle.
Or they could go out and spend a couple grand on a beater and just drive it into the ground and bank the rest.
Most people NEED to be able to get to work. And public transit isn't always an answer.
Most people also have OPTIONS on where they get their power from.
And, right now, purely renewable energy is NOT the cheaper option. Reality. Not cooked numbers.
I detest the Fourth Reich^H^H^H^the EU even more.
So, no matter who "wins" in this, I hate them both.
They're deploying on rooftops in California in and around the area of the Tesla HQ.
They're still DEFINITELY in "testing" phase (hence why all the installs are so close to home and being monitored regularly).
It's a neat idea which isn't ready for worldwide deployment at this point.
Exactly. Nuclear (where it makes sense), Geothermal (where it makes sense), Hydro (where it makes sense) for baseline power.
Augment with various forms of wind, solar and storage (and if worst comes natural gas) to handle peaking.
Places like California, where nuclear (in EARTHQUAKE COUNTRY) is a dumb idea. Places like this could become havens for grid-scale renewables and storage.
They could then bring baseline power in from out of state, and sell peaking capacity back out in a form of grid-scale (or inter-grid scale) net metering.
By ignoring cost structures that are inconvenient to recognize, and completely blow their premise out of the water.
Yes, but they didn't just pop into existence magically.
A portion of the ammortized cost STILL has to be factored.
Really?
Where are the cost factors for disposal of End Of Life wind turbines and solar panels?
Oh wait. There aren't any?
How about the recycling plans?
Oh wait. There aren't any?
Know what that means?
LANDFILL.
You wanna talk about environmental damage?
Build your own power grid.
THEN bitch about grid providers.
non sequitur much?
It's also the only one that's 100% stable.
It's also the only one that produces concentrated waste product.
Whereas the rest simply blow byproduct out into the environment.
And before you talk about wind and solar, where EXACTLY are those MEGATONS of End-Of-Life equipment going to go?
LANDFILL. Because there's ZERO planning for recycling of the materials.
Okay. Solve it.
Until then, you're simply blowing pie in the sky. Whereas baseline is a real concern.
Remember, not every place can simply pump water uphill. Or build a bajillion flywheels, or set aside a few square miles to superheat containers of salt, etc.
Worse, we simply CANNOT produce the amount of batteries that would be necessary at that level.
Renewable?
Sure!
Renewable + batteries?
Uh. Debatable.
And how many people have (or are able to finance) the $10-40K for such a system? Or more as solar subsidies go away.
Grid-scale solar?
Sorry, NOT cheaper. And grid storage at those levels are HIGHLY situational.
The thing is, "doing things in a balanced way" to keep things "balanced"?
We're being told that "We're already fucked!"
So we need something that will tip it BACK towards a "safer" or "saner" balance point.
So, all the enviro-twatwaffles need to make up their mind.
People are NOT simply going to turn over all control and authority to world governments.
It's just not gonna happen.
So, socially engineering people to live in caves and eat grass ain't happening.
Nor is demanding that people not have kids.
In most of the world, you'll simply get told to fuck off. Then, if you persist, YOU GET SHOT.
So, we're likely going to NEED geoengineering solutions to make this a reality in a realistic timeframe.
And "Well it's owned by the fossil fuel industry" isn't an excuse to sit on your thumbs and not do anything.
If the tech is REALLY that promising, you can petition governments around the planet to simply negate patents regarding this technology for the common good.