Ya like Add-on sales and the warranties. That guy should be shot.
The funny thing is he was trying to get Gateway into the service market, and Waitt said that is the reason he canned him, and then said he wanted to get Gateway into the service market a week later.
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Gateway sucks becuase...
1. On March 25th 1999 they changed their entire warranty program and it resulted in the vast majority of computers being purchased with a minimal warranty that forced customers to PAY for service after 90 days / a year if they wanted support. There went 20% of the buisness
2. They went from the company that targeted the enthusiast and gamer, Only placing ads in computer magazines to targeting the first time home user from Stinkwater Alabama. Targeting these people was a mistake in it's self for any computer company. Any computer the first time users buys especially one with windows 98 or Me on it will crash almost hourly and all the problems will not be blamed on faulty ms software and 18 itmes in their startup, it will be blamed on the once good quality computer company. The companies rep's got sick of listening to Joe Bob from Stinkwater yak about his problems and stopped caring. The service went down hill and Gateway lost all it's repeat buisness, which made up about 65% of it's total sales.
3. They never diversified their products.
They tried but it never worked, they offered gimics like the ASTRO (imac rip off) and the profile (laptop on a stand), neither of which went anywhere. They got rid of their best line of computers, the Destination, which offered 36 inch moniters and wireless periferals in '96. They tried to sell servers and workstations but noone bought them because they were crap.
P.s. I just quit working for gateway after 3 1/2 years. best move I ever made
Hp and Compaq will be successful if they can trim the fat and start competing with Dell and IBM. Or else Dell will own the desktop, IBM the server and MS the software
Jerry Ford is a nice guy but he played too much football with his helmet off - LBJ
No, because you could set the threash of 3 or 4 from the same IP and that would do it. 99.99999% of traffic would get through fine. I looked once at some TCP statistics from a network printer at my college once and over the last 5 years it had only recieved 4 bad packets. This was just plain old cat 5. Granted they were only to that printer but it was used almost constantly. The checksum isn't computed unless the destination is correct so no broadcast packets would be counted but if i remember right the good packet count was around a million.
It appears that people can still puplish their findings and not get sued for violation of some law, I wonder if the group who developed TCP/IP will sue these guys now because they "Violated" some law or something.
He was indited, that only means that there was enough evidence to provide a resonable suspicion that he commited a crime. Nothing more
He will probobly be convicted if the DMCA if not over turned by then. There is a movement in this country that is growing to over turn the dmca, even congress is talking about how it has over stepped it's bounds. Before long it will be a thing of the past.
I disagree, from what i have read from cisco and other network vendors, it appears that first the backbone and other major lines will be upgraded followed by local trunks say to a CO and then finally to the home user. All that would have to be done is make sure the user is using a dhcp client that will take either an ipv6 address or a ipv4, once an ipv6 address is leased the machine switches the stack to ipv6, just asks the user to reboot. Windows users are used to that . There is no reason why a router can't have entries in it's table for ipv6 and ipv4 and be able to route both at the same time, they can router both ip and ipx now right. All you would have to do is setup a DHCP that will give out ipv6 addresses and one day turn it on and turn the old one off. You say that no DHCP exists to lease ipv6 addresses, you are right, but you are arrogent to think noone will make one. The burden will be placed on the isp's not the end user. Speaaking from 3 years of tech support experience for Gateway, 99% of users don't know what an ip address is. Leaving any amount of responsibility to the user is a disaster waiting to happen. We had our ISP Gateway.net dropped by our provider UUNet, every single person on Gateway.net had to call in and get a link to dialer upgrade. This took MONTHS and we had people calling in after 8 months wondering why they couldn't get on the net. Paying for it the whole time.
It must be a seamless integration or it will be a disaster
That is a good article with a lot of points the ctitics miss, It will be an almost seamless intergration for the average user. Most won't know anything has changed. Almost every computer, router and switch will be replaced within the next 10 years anyway and Windows 2000, Xp and beyond provide support for it, with routers and such a small firmware upgrade will only be neccessary. That is routinely done anyway. So what is the problem here?
Also i would like to address the statement
"The US hogged all of the IP addresses"
SO WHAT, we invented the internet. Too bad if we didn't think about who would need addressess in the future. Noone knew if it would even work.
It wasn't designed for what it is doing now.
It was desinged for text messages across modems, not video confrencing and counter strike. IP need to be updated.
Why does the communicty waste it's time developing Linux for the Mac anyway, most mac user are religiously fanactic about the Mac OS and everything that it can do, yadda yadda yadda,
how many of them actually want to run linux?
Macs suck, you won't make them any better with linux, concentrate on x86 and quit wasting your time.
Whoa
Hold on a second here,
The name of this company is FerroTec?
Anyone else see the boiler room?
So what is your next posting
Selling stock for their ipo at $8/share and it's a bargain right?
I second that, you are one of the few who actually know what is going on and have the ability to learn from history instead of look at it as a boring excersise in futility.
Too bad the masses don't think like you, if they did we would never have to worry about such asinine things such as this and this
Here Here!
I agree totally
The only problem is that ever since the day the constition was rattified it has been ignored when convienient for those in power.
Polititions with knee-jerk reaction to minor problems like napster are to pass laws like the DMCA that have effects not inteneded. (even though the DMCA was around before napster)
They pass legistlations during "Emergencies" the take away more of our freedoms but the laws are never repealed when the "Crisis" is over.
I fear the the United States and Western Europe will go down in history as the countries who spent most of the 20th century standing up to and defeating socialism, authoritarianism, and dictarotships only to become socialistic and corrupt themseleves in the 21st centruy.
We could stop these things as this new **AA group but I believe in the end we will fail. Too many young people around my age (20) do not pay attention to politics and do not care about them. To take a quote from nader
"You must turn on to politics, or politics will turn on you"
This is much more profound then copywright infringement and copy protection sircumventing. This has to do with the entire mind set of the worlds most affluential and powerful and unless something is done NOW the greed will only get worse.
After reading that article i am appaled. Why does noone stand up to the FBI? Why did he not tell them to take a hike when they didn't present a search warrant? There are certain pieces of paper that our founding fathers created so power hungry men like this couldn't have thier way with people. They are called
THE BILL OF RIGHTS and THE CONSTITUTION
Will we have to fear the G MEN from now on?
This sort of thing happens to alot of Gun Owners except it is the ATF doing it. They are just on a witch hunt.
Toms hardware proved it. This chipset works well, it is cheap, it is out first, and Intel hates it because there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.
Rambus has already sued just about every memory manufacturer for some reason or another, if Intel sues Mobo Manf. and VIA, that would look real good for the guys who started the whole rambus intel deal. Ok, we put out an inferior product that was away from the main streem and natural flow of the industry, no body bought it because it cost 3 times what everything else on the market did. It offered no real performance gain and it ended up getting us in littigation with half of the hardware companies in the country.
I would say that was pretty successful, wouldn't you?
If we can have batton twirling, bowling, the trampoline, squash, surfing, roller skating and ballroom dancing at the 2004 summer olympics in Athens then why not have online gaming? I will be the first to propose this. The Olympic committee says that they have to drop other sports before they can add any new ones. Anyone else just hate womens golf? I mean cmon, is that even a real sport?
According to the Olympic Charter, an event must be played in at least 75 countries and four continents, and must contain a competitive element to be considered a sport. Will anyone object if i dare say that online gaming meets that requirement? So who is with me, lets get quake and cs on the line up for 2008, by then of course if you asked kids what they thought of quake they would look as you and say "what's Quake?,
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Driving home tonight I saw several shooting stars and meteors. It was quite a nice show .
I knew there had to be something of a big meteor shower going on. Read ccn.com/space this morning and they had nothing on it. Must of been slacking. Leave it to/. to inform the masses. These are nothing compared to the Northern lights up here in North Dakota.
What North Dakota? They have computers up there?
YA WE DO, Running water and indoor plumbing too!
(ok fine we tore down the outhouse last year)
Wow, ok so now besides having to take classes on Cobal, Java, C, C++, Pearl, Python, and Assembly I would of had to learn this one now. That makes me glad I changed my Major to Computer Engineering.
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Ya like Add-on sales and the warranties. That guy should be shot.
The funny thing is he was trying to get Gateway into the service market, and Waitt said that is the reason he canned him, and then said he wanted to get Gateway into the service market a week later.
Gateway sucks becuase...
1. On March 25th 1999 they changed their entire warranty program and it resulted in the vast majority of computers being purchased with a minimal warranty that forced customers to PAY for service after 90 days / a year if they wanted support. There went 20% of the buisness
2. They went from the company that targeted the enthusiast and gamer, Only placing ads in computer magazines to targeting the first time home user from Stinkwater Alabama. Targeting these people was a mistake in it's self for any computer company. Any computer the first time users buys especially one with windows 98 or Me on it will crash almost hourly and all the problems will not be blamed on faulty ms software and 18 itmes in their startup, it will be blamed on the once good quality computer company. The companies rep's got sick of listening to Joe Bob from Stinkwater yak about his problems and stopped caring. The service went down hill and Gateway lost all it's repeat buisness, which made up about 65% of it's total sales.
3. They never diversified their products.
They tried but it never worked, they offered gimics like the ASTRO (imac rip off) and the profile (laptop on a stand), neither of which went anywhere. They got rid of their best line of computers, the Destination, which offered 36 inch moniters and wireless periferals in '96. They tried to sell servers and workstations but noone bought them because they were crap.
P.s. I just quit working for gateway after 3 1/2 years. best move I ever made
Hp and Compaq will be successful if they can trim the fat and start competing with Dell and IBM. Or else Dell will own the desktop, IBM the server and MS the software
Jerry Ford is a nice guy but he played too much football with his helmet off - LBJ
No, because you could set the threash of 3 or 4 from the same IP and that would do it. 99.99999% of traffic would get through fine. I looked once at some TCP statistics from a network printer at my college once and over the last 5 years it had only recieved 4 bad packets. This was just plain old cat 5. Granted they were only to that printer but it was used almost constantly. The checksum isn't computed unless the destination is correct so no broadcast packets would be counted but if i remember right the good packet count was around a million.
It appears that people can still puplish their findings and not get sued for violation of some law, I wonder if the group who developed TCP/IP will sue these guys now because they "Violated" some law or something.
He was indited, that only means that there was enough evidence to provide a resonable suspicion that he commited a crime. Nothing more
He will probobly be convicted if the DMCA if not over turned by then. There is a movement in this country that is growing to over turn the dmca, even congress is talking about how it has over stepped it's bounds. Before long it will be a thing of the past.
I disagree, from what i have read from cisco and other network vendors, it appears that first the backbone and other major lines will be upgraded followed by local trunks say to a CO and then finally to the home user. All that would have to be done is make sure the user is using a dhcp client that will take either an ipv6 address or a ipv4, once an ipv6 address is leased the machine switches the stack to ipv6, just asks the user to reboot. Windows users are used to that . There is no reason why a router can't have entries in it's table for ipv6 and ipv4 and be able to route both at the same time, they can router both ip and ipx now right. All you would have to do is setup a DHCP that will give out ipv6 addresses and one day turn it on and turn the old one off. You say that no DHCP exists to lease ipv6 addresses, you are right, but you are arrogent to think noone will make one. The burden will be placed on the isp's not the end user. Speaaking from 3 years of tech support experience for Gateway, 99% of users don't know what an ip address is. Leaving any amount of responsibility to the user is a disaster waiting to happen. We had our ISP Gateway.net dropped by our provider UUNet, every single person on Gateway.net had to call in and get a link to dialer upgrade. This took MONTHS and we had people calling in after 8 months wondering why they couldn't get on the net. Paying for it the whole time.
It must be a seamless integration or it will be a disaster
That is a good article with a lot of points the ctitics miss, It will be an almost seamless intergration for the average user. Most won't know anything has changed. Almost every computer, router and switch will be replaced within the next 10 years anyway and Windows 2000, Xp and beyond provide support for it, with routers and such a small firmware upgrade will only be neccessary. That is routinely done anyway. So what is the problem here?
Also i would like to address the statement
"The US hogged all of the IP addresses"
SO WHAT, we invented the internet. Too bad if we didn't think about who would need addressess in the future. Noone knew if it would even work.
It wasn't designed for what it is doing now.
It was desinged for text messages across modems, not video confrencing and counter strike. IP need to be updated.
Why does the communicty waste it's time developing Linux for the Mac anyway, most mac user are religiously fanactic about the Mac OS and everything that it can do, yadda yadda yadda,
how many of them actually want to run linux?
Macs suck, you won't make them any better with linux, concentrate on x86 and quit wasting your time.
Whoa /share and it's a bargain right?
Hold on a second here,
The name of this company is FerroTec?
Anyone else see the boiler room?
So what is your next posting
Selling stock for their ipo at $8
I second that, you are one of the few who actually know what is going on and have the ability to learn from history instead of look at it as a boring excersise in futility. Too bad the masses don't think like you, if they did we would never have to worry about such asinine things such as this and this
Here Here!
I agree totally
The only problem is that ever since the day the constition was rattified it has been ignored when convienient for those in power.
Polititions with knee-jerk reaction to minor problems like napster are to pass laws like the DMCA that have effects not inteneded. (even though the DMCA was around before napster)
They pass legistlations during "Emergencies" the take away more of our freedoms but the laws are never repealed when the "Crisis" is over.
I fear the the United States and Western Europe will go down in history as the countries who spent most of the 20th century standing up to and defeating socialism, authoritarianism, and dictarotships only to become socialistic and corrupt themseleves in the 21st centruy.
We could stop these things as this new **AA group but I believe in the end we will fail. Too many young people around my age (20) do not pay attention to politics and do not care about them. To take a quote from nader
"You must turn on to politics, or politics will turn on you"
This is much more profound then copywright infringement and copy protection sircumventing. This has to do with the entire mind set of the worlds most affluential and powerful and unless something is done NOW the greed will only get worse.
After reading that article i am appaled. Why does noone stand up to the FBI? Why did he not tell them to take a hike when they didn't present a search warrant? There are certain pieces of paper that our founding fathers created so power hungry men like this couldn't have thier way with people. They are called
THE BILL OF RIGHTS and THE CONSTITUTION
Will we have to fear the G MEN from now on?
This sort of thing happens to alot of Gun Owners except it is the ATF doing it. They are just on a witch hunt.
Toms hardware proved it. This chipset works well, it is cheap, it is out first, and Intel hates it because there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.
Rambus has already sued just about every memory manufacturer for some reason or another, if Intel sues Mobo Manf. and VIA, that would look real good for the guys who started the whole rambus intel deal. Ok, we put out an inferior product that was away from the main streem and natural flow of the industry, no body bought it because it cost 3 times what everything else on the market did. It offered no real performance gain and it ended up getting us in littigation with half of the hardware companies in the country.
I would say that was pretty successful, wouldn't you?
If we can have batton twirling, bowling, the trampoline, squash, surfing, roller skating and ballroom dancing at the 2004 summer olympics in Athens then why not have online gaming? I will be the first to propose this. The Olympic committee says that they have to drop other sports before they can add any new ones. Anyone else just hate womens golf? I mean cmon, is that even a real sport? According to the Olympic Charter, an event must be played in at least 75 countries and four continents, and must contain a competitive element to be considered a sport. Will anyone object if i dare say that online gaming meets that requirement? So who is with me, lets get quake and cs on the line up for 2008, by then of course if you asked kids what they thought of quake they would look as you and say "what's Quake?,
Driving home tonight I saw several shooting stars and meteors. It was quite a nice show . I knew there had to be something of a big meteor shower going on. Read ccn.com/space this morning and they had nothing on it. Must of been slacking. Leave it to /. to inform the masses. These are nothing compared to the Northern lights up here in North Dakota.
What North Dakota? They have computers up there?
YA WE DO, Running water and indoor plumbing too!
(ok fine we tore down the outhouse last year)
Wow, ok so now besides having to take classes on Cobal, Java, C, C++, Pearl, Python, and Assembly I would of had to learn this one now. That makes me glad I changed my Major to Computer Engineering.