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ZeRo4 Wins; Quake: The Movie Released
okotauri writes: "ZeRo4 took home his second consecutive Quakecon championship today, beating the rest of the world's top Quake 3 players in the process, and cementing his reputation as the best Q3 dueller in the world today. more info: Quakecon scoreboard." And Escape from the Bastille was also released at the Con - better have high-speed access if you want to download it.
Oops, I found them. The whole listing is here: ftp://161.184.117.156/. I think the championship match is ftp://161.184.117.156/fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4-ztn3tourne y1-fatal1ty-w1_1.dm_66.zip or ftp://161.184.117.156/fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4-pro-q3tour ney4-(ZeRo4)-g1v2_1.dm_66.zip.
qslack.com
can you spell "not a streaming format"?
I think a good product would be "Baby Duck Hat". It's a fake baby duck, which you strap on top of your head. Then you go swimming underwater until you find a mommy duck and her babies, and you join them. Then, all of a sudden, you stand up out of the water and roar like Godzilla. Man, those ducks really take off!
Also, Baby Duck Hat is good for parties.
Here's a good trick: Get a job as a judge at the Olympics. Then, if some guy sets a world record, pretend that you didn't see it and go, "Okay, is everybody ready to start now?"
obviously the whole competition was on lan...
If life deals you lemons, why not go kill someone with the lemons (maybe by shoving them down his throat). I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Ok, granted, the DVD one is a bit of a strech, I agree. As for them being infrequent, thats why I think something on Showtime or HBO would work better. They're used to doing rare special events that are like, 2 hour specials. Even a once a year of the "top gaming matches," with a variety of games, since arguably even 2 hours of quake would get boring since a majority would be newbies goin at it. I think though that the interest could be Bubba Sixpack, because it has a mix of violence as well as adrenaline. I mean, look how many "High speed TV chases" shows there are. They have no plot, but they have adrenaline and carnage. Of course, if they enter mainstream entertainment, they'll probably be bastardized and have some sort of wacky punishment for the losers of the match, like eating live beetles or something that'll attract more viewers. But it's a thought.
Information is the catalyst for revolution
If we can have batton twirling, bowling, the trampoline, squash, surfing, roller skating and ballroom dancing at the 2004 summer olympics in Athens then why not have online gaming? I will be the first to propose this. The Olympic committee says that they have to drop other sports before they can add any new ones. Anyone else just hate womens golf? I mean cmon, is that even a real sport? According to the Olympic Charter, an event must be played in at least 75 countries and four continents, and must contain a competitive element to be considered a sport. Will anyone object if i dare say that online gaming meets that requirement? So who is with me, lets get quake and cs on the line up for 2008, by then of course if you asked kids what they thought of quake they would look as you and say "what's Quake?,
It's not the OS it's the user that sucks. If it's user friendly, you get stupider people. - clinko
Any mirrors out there of this? I can't get into this site.
I think that baseball and football are really boring (too much waiting, unlike hockey or motorsports) You don't have to wait in motorsports? You have wait for the race to end!! True the cars are going really really fast, but relative to each other they aren't - and they are just going around in circles! (a circuit) I can see your argument with baseball and football, but motorsports go right in there. Instead of waiting between plays listening to yacky sportscasters, you're waiting between crashes watching cars going around in a circle. Maybe I just don't "get it". Of course millions of people watch baseball, football AND motorsports. Go figure. Maybe one day millions of people will watch first-person shooters too.
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okay so some guy won the QuakeCon championship. I agree, it's not newsworthy but you don't have to flame the guy for that. You can try and be nice for once.
Not only does that dickhead get paid for it, he actually thinks it's good enough to whore it out for merchandising. Pathetic.
hehe as long as you have a didgital connection to the server - I find CS lags over 300ms more than to a Q2 server on the same network.
:) but I still come back to Q2 (I connect over a modem or would probably switch to Q3)
Still - you are absolutely right - Q3 requires a hefty investment in kit to play at any level above casual.
Have you seen Serious Sam? I just got it, and have it installed on an old PIII at work with 64Mb ram, and an old VooDoo2 that I had lying about - and it rocks: check out the lens flares, reflections and bump mapping - on a VooDoo2 ffs! And it runs smoother than the ancient Q2 on the same hardware. If I turn on lens flares in Q3 on that card, it'd melt!
CS - the maps look very dated - you can tell its the old Quake2/valve engine from "Quiet Life" and the game play levaes me cold. 10 Blokes hide for a bit and then die. No 2moves" are possible - its like your trousers are round your ankles when you walk in CS. But as you point out - if you cant run Q3, Q2 dissappeared out of most shops, and "Half Speed" is still available, then your gonna end up playing CS. I play lots of games, including Q3, SS, and UT (sometimes
Actually, Mplayer has been working on adding support for other platforms. Check it out at http://mplayer.sourceforge.net
Now the aliens who actually created the game will take him back to thier home planet to destroy all the evil types invading it...
--T
http://www.theMediaBunker.com
Perhaps most of you people should take the time to actually understand what he is saying. His point isnt that "Quake is the devil", but rather, there is more important news that could be put in place of that article. Frontpage space is important, that article on the Quake tourny could very well be hidden off somewhere in the catergories; It's not something thats going to matter in a week. And thats just my $0.02. (:p @ scoria) oh, and one more thing: FP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111 99% percent of this community makes me sick. Learn to think for yourselves, people.
User Friendly is so embarrasing and pathetic.
*shudder*
It's so so not funny.
Does that guy actually get paid for that crap does he?
If anyone out there hasn't seen CTF: Comedy in Armor I highly recommend downloading it. It's the funniest Quake-based movie I've ever seen.
You need the latest OSP mod : www.orangesmoothie.org
Well, I think that some people on /. are interested in this stuff, so they post it. If you aren't interested, just ignore it.
:)
It's not "News for Scoria, stuff (s)he thinks matters."
Geoffeg
Yes, make it like any other televised sport, with a play-by-play man and a color commentator. Maybe this would be the perfect job to bring OJ Simpson out of retirement.
MPlayer handles command-line systems just fine (no X needed) as long as you have a framebuffer graphics driver. This is easy to do if you have a modern distro and kernel, and a relatively common graphics card (you can even do it with VESA, but it'll be slow). MPlayer is also extremely good for DivX files, showing about 2x speed improvement over Windows-based players with the right fine-tuning. :)
I submitted an article (or two) about DivX on Linux, and specifically MPlayer, over the past few weeks. They were both rejected.
Maybe one day millions of people will watch first-person shooters too.
They already do... it's called news coverage. This type of spectator sport becomes especially popular after a major "tournaments" such as those held at Columbine High School in Littleton, CO or Hillcrest Elementary in Jonesburo, AR.
Bow before my sig, for it is good.
yeah Id agree with all of that, but still somehow Q3 "feels" better. I think it must be to do with the physics model, and the way your man moves. In Quake (2 and 3 ) you can jump and run, and do all kinds of tricks with the jumping and strafing etc to gain extra height/speed etc. UT man moves like he's wearing lead underpants, and the same goes for all those "Half Speed" based games like CS (or is that "Quiet Life" :P) Even Serious Sam, which is a hilarious laugh, plods along like his shoe laces are tied together. I also think they tried too hard in UT to make different weapons - all that green slime gun, blade gun, stuff...
Agree with you about the maps though - not only are they all the same visually, you can't figure a purpose for them. The original Q2 maps (not the dm ones) had a deffinite purpose such as "the base" or "the comms centre" and the design reflected this. The later Q3 maps are all "generic random castle type thing". either that or those joke maps with no walls. Tedious stuff indeed. Mind you, its not thatits not possible to make good maps in Q3 - I have some very UT like maps for Q3 (moving trains, starships and so on)
As for CS - 10 blokes with sniper rifles hiding behind boxes for 10 minutes - oh joy.
While ago, I saw this cute girl just standing
around (alone) at one party. I wondered, if I
should go and talk to her. I didn't hesitate,
but before I was even able to move forward
from my dancing, this large peace of meat
in a form of bodybuilder (filled up with
speed/crank) comes to the picture and just
grabs the girl and goes away. That moment,
I understood, that there's something wrong
in this world.
Right now, I have the same feeling.
If you didn't understand why I was feeling the
same way, here's the explanation. I consider
myself as a hacker of some sort who loves
computers. And then there are these idiots who
fsck around with computers and treat them bad.
That, of course, makes me sad.
As demosceners say: "Stop playing quake and start coding!"
Have a nice day!,
For centuries, people thought the moon was made of green cheese. Then the astronauts found that the moon is really a big hard rock. That's what happens to cheese when you leave it out.
I bet living in a nudist colony takes all the fun out of Halloween.
For anyone who couldn't figure out, it was breaking because of an extra "/", go here
I bet that Zock the Quake God could beat him.
:)
Check out UserFriendly comic strips if you don't get the reference.
I think it'd be kinad fun to take the match, "edit" it so that you have all kinds of camera angles, and get voiceovers done "radio style" of the chat logs. Maybe an announcer voiceover, too.
It's the virtual version of the implementation of the story behind UT.
...is the sign of a misspent youth.
I doubt that quake matches would get very good ratings on tv, and would probably start to flop like battle-bots (IMHO). Too much hype for something only the geekiest of geeks will enjoy. However i think releasing (for free!!) a vcd of the match with extra camera shots and possibly some commentary and player-feedback would be cool. Would do a lot better than trying to sell a dvd on thinkgeek for $15-$20...
I want to be an Olympic champion but I don't have time for that either.
Hell, if only I had time I could be Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods!
Was Thresh actually a contendah back in his (I assume) gaming days?
If you really want to impress people with your computer literacy, add the words "dot com" to the end of everything you say, dot com.
I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill it anyway because I already gave away all of his stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of humor.
I gaze at the brilliant full moon. The same one, I think to myself, at which Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato gazed. Suddenly, I imagine they appear beside me. I tell Socrates about the national debate over one's right to die and wonder at the constancy of the human condition. I tell Plato that I live in the country that has come the closest to Utopia, and I show him a copy of the Constitution. I tell Aristotle that we have found many more than four basic elements and I show him a periodic table. I get a box of kitchen matches and strike one. They gasp with wonder. We spend the rest of the night lighting farts.
Mplayer will play all of those formats.
-- the computer doesn't want any beer, no matter how much you think it does. NEVER, EVER feed your computer beer.
Anyone who has played Q3 (or any comparable game) knows that it isn't just "running around shooting people", but rather the game becomes incredibly finely tuned with extreme muscle control and mental reflexes needed to excel : Some of the best Quake 3 players are absolutely amazing when they're at the pinnacle of their game, and just as seeing a high jumper set a new record (pushing the human body further than ever before) is amazing, it's amazing seeing the reflexes/mind combination push these super-players.
For anyone to brush off this as being just a "game" whereas throwing a pole or moving your legs is "sport" is silly. As long as all competitors are using equal hardware, etc., this is absolutely sport and it is enthralling to watch the best of the best playing.
Sidenote -> The way, IMHO, that you can usually determine if something is truly a competitive sport or not is consistency: Do the same people generally come out near the top, with natural ascents up the ranks and down the ranks, or is it more of a hodge-podge random ordering at each event? In the former it is competitive sport, whereas in the latter it's just odds, yet it's amazing how many such "sports" exist as sanctioned.
Wouldn't it be really funny if the user "codetalker" was black, or Navajo? Racism is an ugly, ugly thing, no matter what form it takes, AC. Propagating it with a defensive posture isn't any better than an offensive one. I think it would be really groovy and mature of you if you apologized for your uncalled-for outburst.
How is CS (counter-strike) any more intellectual stimulating than quake, anyhow? Quake DeathMatch: Oh boy, I'm going to Run Around and Shoot People until I die, then respawn and Do It Again! Oh boy, I'm going to Run Around with a team and Shoot People not on my team (unless friendly fire is on, in which case I'll shoot everyone) until I die, then I'll wait around for 5 minutes twiddling my fingers, and Do It All Over Again once I respawn!!!! yeah....VEEERRRRY intellectual there! (this specifically to all of those CS loveing Quake bashers). Give it up guys, CS is just like quake except you die faster and it's more boring. --Jubedgy
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis hebes
Omar from ATD-I play(z) to much Quake
DivX, ASF, AVI? How can a Linux user see any of this?
I always liked Unreal Tournament better than Quake 3. I'll admit Q3 probably has a bit of an edge graphic engine-wise, but UT has better bot AI, much more sophisticated GUI, and WAY better level design in general. (How many brown-gold-greyish castle type levels are there in Q3 anyway??)
"Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4-pro-q3tourney4-(fatal1ty)-g1v2_1 .dm_66.zip
I installed osp-quake3-0.99v3.zip already, and I appear to be running that mod okay, but I can't figure out what the heck I have to do with the dm_66 file in order to view it!
Education is the silver bullet.
I installed it and did ./quake3 +set fs_game osp, but I still don't see anyone. Any other hints, linux specific?
I have had the same problem, ever since .dm_48 came out. None of my friends using Windows version of Quake3 has had the same problem.
// ville
Do I need to install any mods or maps to run the demos? I have the demo, but it doesn't run.
Thanks
Da Bread
if you have figured out how to watch the demos so that the other player is visible, please reply. Someone above said to install the osp mod, but I can't get that to work. it says there is no uii386.so, which I assume means it can't find the UI. I tried copying baseq3/uii386.so to the osp dir, but then it says it can't find cgamei386.so. It's supposed to use the qvm version.... aw fuck it, I'm going to bed.
ops!
it should be
/demo demo_name_sans_dm_86
// ville
IMHO, the lack of megapopularity has been a real blessing to Q3: while the community may be small compared to Counter Strike, it is of better quality. Go to any CS-related forum and you'll find cheating to be #1 topic. Cheating in seems to be common, with accusations of cheating reaching ridiculous numbers. I personally don't play CS but I do like to watch other people play, and things can sometimes get very ugly. Q3-players on the other hand are mostly skillfull (newbies tend to go with the most popular game) and very well behaved (no cheating - heck, not even name calling). And of course, smaller the community is, the stronger it is - people actually have a chance to get to know eachothers.
Not to badmouth Counter Strike players, I know many of them are very cool people, but there are more than just a couple of bad apples. And yes, I used to play Q3 a lot, actually so much that I got carpal tunnel, so I'm probably biased.
Then, all I have to think about is my uncles, and their obsession with golf. They think they are normal, but they are almost as bad at the people in the Quake tourney.
Zero4 is very, very impressive in these damos... When one of the best players in the world is "on" it is a beautiful thing to watch =)
Department of Homeland Security: Removing the rights real patriots fought and died for since 2001
I saw on this nature show how the male elk douses himself with urine to smell sweeter to the opposite sex. What a coincidence!
It makes me mad when I go to all the trouble of having Marta cook up about a hundred drumsticks, then the guy at Marineland says, "You can't throw that chicken to the dolphins. They eat fish." Sure they eat fish, if that's all you give them! Man, wise up.
Thresh, the guy who started Firingsquad (actually, it used to be Thresh's Firingsquad), quit about a year ago... IIRC he just wanted a change of pace, and wanted out of the hardware review business.
BBK
Oh yeah? He thinks he's so good? Well, I got the highscore in Ms. Pacman (a true crusader for womens' rights!) at the local arcade about 15 years ago!
So there, Mr. Big-Shot Quake 3 player!
I have a problem with this 'dude' trashing Quake 3. Where on earth did he think his precious Tribes, Counter-Strike and Allegiances came from? THIN AIR?? No. Truth be told these games are all based on id games, in whole or in part. That said id games are hugely popular. Even though Q3 isn't at its peak, it doesn't mean that people who still enjoy the game are fair targets to get crapped on just because the game isn't as "intellectually stimulating" as Counter-Strike. Give me a freakin' BREAK, it's A FPS!! It's a GAME. It's supposed to be FUN. Also, the top prize for this tourny was $30,000!! Pretty impressive for ANY gaming tournament. And it's a pretty significant precedent to set in the gaming world - regardless of the game that's being played. So please do us all a favour and filter Quake stories if you don't want to read Quake stories. We like Quake 3. We admire id. We like the fact that this tourney was worth 30 grand. We went DON'T like is your having to see errogance and ignorance being shamelessly displayed.
If God dwells inside us, like some people say, I sure hope He like enchiladas, because that's what He's getting.
If I was the head of a country that lost a war, and I had to sign a peace treaty, just as I was signing, I'd glance over the treaty and then suddenly act surprised. "Wait a minute! I thought we won!"
Probably to a shark about the funniest thing there is is a wounded seal, trying to swim to shore, because where does he think he's going?!
Apparently one Scott McNealy wasn't enough fro Ximian. In an article published in this month's Cloning magazine. Ximian was worried that NVIDIA might clone Scot McNealy first and then patent the process, so their researchers have been working around teh clock to be first. Fortunately for the world, Ximian has promised to relaese to the public the technology that they used. So if you think you're seeing Scott McNealy everywhere you probably are.
Wow check out all the 3l33t n4M3z on the scoreboard, Quake players are just soooo cool!
What a bunch of winners!
Really!
there are *gasp* other sports out there that don't generally include getting wasted w/your buddies (although at alumni events they sometimes do ;-))
.02
Individuals that train in a team setting (playing on local servers) but compete on an individual basis in tournaments (like Quakecon).
Yeah, typically in these sort of events (*gasp again*) you don't typically root for a team, you root for your favorites...
Most sports seem to be heading this way as it is (long ball hitters w/shit teams, kick ass players that carry the whole team)
Just my worthless
The only good part about the movie was that the animation was good... the plot was bad, the voice acting was mediocre at best, and the script just sucked. Improper use of contractions abound (you're vs your), a lame introduction about the french bastille that has zero to do with the plot, a fight scene that totally rips off the martix... ugh. My computer saved me and crashed out a bit over 8 minutes into the 12-minute movie.
---- "A programmer is a person who solves a problem you didn't know you had in a way you don't understand."
There's a group of Quake speed runners who created a set of recorded movies called Quake Done Quick. They blaze through the entire game at Nightmare difficulty in less than 17 minutes. They also produced Quake Done 100% Quick, where they kill every monster and find every secret.
This same group of people then did a speed run through Ritual's Quake add-on pack, Scourge of Armagon. But unlike its predecessor, they added actual production values, including fully scripted and vocalized sequences at the beginning and end. The player also makes wisecracks throughout the movie; the actor voicing him is especially good. The result is called Scourge Done Slick, and it's a very nice piece of work.
You need to own a copy of the Scourge of Armagon add-on pack to view the movie.
Schwab
Editor, A1-AAA AmeriCaptions
If your web site is a tribute to AOLserver, I think I'll stick with Apache...
You're wrong; Q3 has done a lot for cementing the mindset in people that gaming can be a popular thing, of course having the CPL behind it initially has helped, along with RAZER, with those relatively high-profile tournaments, so forth.
"but there's also Q3 itself to blame -- an arcade-y version of deathmatch without the depth of the original."
You must be a very weak skilled player to make that kind of a comment, infact you are, that statement gives your level of knowledge away.
As Sam Kinison used to say, "I love it when boxers thank God for the victory. What is the loser supposed to say? 'I was doing well in there UNTIL JESUS MADE ME LOSE!'?"
I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
pure and simple..CS is for people with modems. Quake 3 is for people with broadband. CS really is boring as hell for me. I just got off a 4 hour/day addiction to Q3 about 4 or 5 months ago. My cousin is a total nut for CS. I probably would too cuz Q3 sucks the nuts on a slow connection and you'd hate it to. Summary CS is for poor people. Q3 is for rich people.
> If I was the head of a country that lost a war,
> and I had to sign a peace treaty, just as I was
> signing, I'd glance over the treaty and then
> suddenly act surprised. "Wait a minute! I thought
> we won!"
That'd be really funny to the families of the millions in your country who died, especially if you were the one who started the war in the first place.
I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
I hope that after I die, people will say of me: "That guy sure owed me a lot of money.
If you get invited to your first orgy, don't just show up nude. That's a common mistake. You have to let nudity "happen."
My young son asked me what happens after we die. I told him we get buried under a bunch of dirt and worms eat our bodies. I guess I should have told him the truth--that most of us go to Hell and burn eternally--but I didn't want to upset him.
30 grand, not bad for a weekend. Maybe I should look into a different career. How much did second place get again? :-)
"If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he's sorely mistaken." Bush on bin Laden
http://www.gamespy.com/stats/
If people aren't very excited by this tournament, it's largely because Quake 3's day is done.
Online its popularity is dwarfed by Counter Strike, which, for better or worse, has replaced Quake as the game of choice of the vast majority of online players. (A fact not lost on developers, who are falling over themselves to bring out CS-like games.)
Of course, no one knows how many people are even playing Q3, thanks to the servers failing to distinguish between bots and humans. In fact, looking at the numbers, it's entirely possible that there are more humans playing Quake 2. Q3 tournaments are in sharp decline, too; Quakecon was an exception, with Q3 even having been dropped (in lieu of CS) in the most widely followed "pro gaming" tourneys.
Q3 never really managed to make the impact that its predecessors did. The leading theory, which you can find on almost any gaming message board: id makes good engines, but has become progressively worse at making a fun game. There's something to that, but there's also Q3 itself to blame -- an arcade-y version of deathmatch without the depth of the original.
Not sure about linux, I'm just loading the mod from the ingame menu first, then playing the demo from the menu. Make sure it's osp 0.99v3 any earlier versions will have invisible enemies. Check out the Zero4 vs CZM proT4 game if you get it going.
heh .. i got a score of (1, troll) on this. which means at least one person thought it was fFunny .. even if someone else is a bastard!! YEAH!!
What kind of equipment - keyboard, mouse, joystick - did he use? I assume it's a he ;-) ZeRo4.
3. Final Fantasy
2. Escape from Bastille
1. Shrek
Good thing it doesn't have region coding...
Buy Hex-Rated Stuff, fight the DMCA!
Yeah! who set up us the bomb!? that's right! ZeRo4, baby!!!
The only motorsport I watch is world superbike racing. There are at least a couple passes each lap, maybe a crash or two each race and they are oly half an hour long a real strategy is involved. I could not agree more if we were talking about nascar or dragracing. oooh they go around the oval 250 times! I'm talking about road races, rallies the sports where impressive driving takes the cake.
All a coder really wants, are fast cars, fast women and fast algorithms.
How do you know that's not his day job already?
~Philly
Anyone know if there are Q3 demo files (.dm3) of the championship match? If so, post them here please!
qslack.com
I swear I saw a Magic the Gathering card game tournament being played on ESPN2 a few months back, so it's not so far out of the realm of possibility. It would be a whole hell of a lot more entertaining than that was.
Don't expect to see those guys in the next Mountain Dew commercial or anything, but...
I think a good way to get into a movie is to show up where they're making the movie, then stick a big cactus plant onto your buttocks and start yowling and running around. Everyone would think it was funny, and the head movie guy would say, "Hey, let's put him in the movie"
You can do better than ignoring it, just filter all "Quake" stories via the user settings. I'm a much happier reader now that I've started filtering Jon Katz, Privacy articles, etc. If only there was a filter for snarky editorial comments by /. editors...
BTW, has anyone else noticed that whenever the login system breaks, the most recent article is usually a Katz piece? Conspiracy?!?
How are you posting without an internet connection?
Without such a connection, you are not connected to the internet.
*** Captain Obvious ***
Defender of all he upholds
> you're waiting between crashes watching cars
That's why God made the Max X TV show, so you don't have to sit thru all the boring rest of the race.
I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
Am I the only one who would like to see some of the gaming tourney's televised? I know one of the biggest lures for attending the actual events happens to be the socializing and all around geek fest sorta stuff, but in this day and age where MTV is the "Shiny Things Network" and "Fear Factor" scores high amounts of viewers, wouldn't something like televising the games be something that could succeed? I can see the downside being that it brings attention to the "violence" in the games without being able to fully convey the sense of kinsmenship those games bring, but I'm sure airing it on something like Showtime or HBO with appropriate "TV ratings" would do well. Have something like celebrity commentaries by Carmack or Thresh (He was the original Q1 God, correct?), possibly have military advisors looking for the strategy within the killing (because lets face it, if you don't have a strategy and just go around to frag, you're not going to make it to the upper echelons of the match)
Or even potentially a DVD version. Like take advantage of the multiple angle views and use various 'cameras' posisitioned in the demo files and what not. Maybe a DVD can contain the final 3 matches, or the highlights of the top 10.
Does anyone else think this would be nice?
Information is the catalyst for revolution
I don't think anybody would pay to have these games recorded on DVD. Releasing the demos is good enough and if people edited in extra cammera angles it'd be great. These events are too infrequent to be a regular thing on television. It'd be a special rather than an ongoing affair. Besides the only people interested in it right now are the ones that follow the online converage or go to quakecon itselft. That kinda defeats the purpose of putting it on tv.
All a coder really wants, are fast cars, fast women and fast algorithms.
Some folks say it was a miracle. St. Francis suddenly appeared and knocked the next pitch clean over the fence. Other folks say it was just a lucky swing.
Highest ping I saw in the stats was 7. Most looked to be around 4. It would be nice if I could get something like that on dial-up. I guess the HPB got weeded out early. :)
Anybody get a pic of this guy? I want to see how pale he is. Probably eats through a Jolt IV in his neck.
"If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he's sorely mistaken." Bush on bin Laden
I can't seriously see this kind of thing as the newest type of sporting event. I think that baseball and football are really boring (too much waiting, unlike hockey or motorsports), but I'd still go to a game with my buddies simply to socialize and cheer on my city. This kind of event is so out of touch and inacessable in the 'real world'. There are one or two annual tournaments that are always held far away. Maybe I'm just a little conservative, but I think that the geographical and club style is good for sports. Something for a local to be proud of and it gets the spectator more involved, "That's MY team that just won!" etc. These tourneys are fun, but it's just a really good bunch of players battling it out amongst themselves. When I watch the olympics, I cheer for team Canada, when I watch quake matches I can't really make a decision who I'd root for, only that one person's skill is madder than the others. Anyway, just a thought.
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Ok, so he may have won... but does he have his own hardware review site? Kidding aside, it is quite an achievement.
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No. Truth be told these games are all based on id games, in whole or in part.
That's doubtful, considering it's a space fighting/strategy game. Now you'll tell me that "Quake was one of the first FPSes, so that means, obviously, that Microsoft Research copied Quake. Right.
Even though Q3 isn't at its peak, it doesn't mean that people who still enjoy the game are fair targets to get crapped on just because the game isn't as "intellectually stimulating" as Counter-Strike. Give me a freakin' BREAK, it's A FPS!! It's a GAME. It's supposed to be FUN.
Yeah. And I don't understand why I get modded down on Slashdot because I prefer other games. Slashdot seems full of id fanboys (no offense).
We like Quake 3. We admire id. We like the fact that this tourney was worth 30 grand. We went DON'T like is your having to see errogance and ignorance being shamelessly displayed.
I think Q3 is a decent game, but I don't 'admire' and 'worship' id. You didn't happen to mean arrogance, by chance, did you?
There's one more thing that I've noticed about the Slashdot community. At one point, 'geeks' (or nerds, whatever you wish to call them) were social outcasts for holding different opinions and lifestyles than other people; they didn't subscribe to group think. It's quite interesting that they mod down people with different opinions or different lifestyles than them; they attempt to censor, as best they can, those who don't subscribe to group think.
I'm electing not to use my +1 bonus because I feel that this will be modded down. -1, insightful.
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Idunno, maybe it's just me, but those all sound like perfectly good reasons to see a movie. ;)
I do have a problem with people changing textures or lighting levels and that does go against the idea of all players playing on equal hardware, though in this case all players had the option of equal modifications.
"It simply is not complex enough to warrant being a sport." ? How do you think you would do if you played these guys? Seriously? Q3A is easily as complex as running the 100 or jumping over hurdles, and as I mentioned it is not a game of luck (though like in all things chance can affect things, just as chance affects the wind in the throw of the javelin): The results are not random but are rather a ranking of those with the best reflexes and best strategy (or rather best combination thereof). If that isn't sport then I would like to know what is.
Of course if you're talking about team sports there are team variations as well: Play CTF and you'll quickly see that there are those that play as single individuals, but they quickly get beaten into oblivion by a team that plays as a team (just like in any team sport).
http://www.orangesmoothie.org/downloads/beta/osp-q uake3-0.99v3.zip
by unzipping it in your Q3 directory, with file paths preserved. Then, install
ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/win32/q3po intrelease_129h_beta.exe
by running the executable and telling it where your Q3 directory is. Then, if you want to view the demos really easily, install
http://www.geekboys.org/geekplay-29/index.pl?downl oad=http://www.geekboys.org/geekplay-29/download/g eekplay-29-1.0b1.zip
by running the installer from any directory and telling it where your Q3 directory is.
Then, all you have to do is download the "demo" files from
http://stats1.zone.com/tournaments/QuakeCon-2001/s coreboard_0_0.html
By clicking on the "stats:1" link, and then scroll down, and download one of the demo files, like the file
http://stats1.zone.com/tournaments/QuakeCon-2001/d emos/fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4-pro-q3tourney4-(ZeRo4)-g1v2 _1.dm_66.zip
for instance. Be sure to note that there are two files for every match - one from each person's point of view. Getting the file from the winner is more fun! Then, all you have to do is unzip the dm_66 file, and then double-click the dm_66 file in order to view it.
Note that these instructions worked for me, and are not necessarily going to work for you! All of this of course on a Win box.
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Oakland A's are playing the BEST baseball right now, But I guess we'll not know until the playoffs :) But you are right, TEAM BALL with
:) Who'd a thunk it...
no mistakes is taking the Seattle a LONG ways.
Griffey leaving turns out to be a GOOD THING for your team
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Did you see the screenshots available on the site in question?? If not, check this out (hopefully it shows up alright):
1 /d emos/fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4-ztn3tourney1-(fatal1ty)-w1_ 1.jpg
http://stats1.zone.com/tournaments/QuakeCon-200
WTF is that?! That is NOT how the game is meant to be played! In any other game, changing game textures and lighting levels is outright cheating. I know that this is probably just ultra-low "detail" setting in Q3A, but this is just a joke.
The game truly is that: a game. Just like whack-a-mole at the carnival is a game and not a sport. Just like a game of Crazy 8's is not a sport. Q3A is NOT A SPORT. It simply is not complex enough to warrant being a sport. Run around, click on anything that moves. If weapon being used has travel time, try to compensate by clicking in front of anything that moves. That's it.
The Bravo channel do a series called "Mercenaries" here in the UK (Sat 8.30pm) which pit teams playing war games against each other. I allowed myself to be dragged into one episode so that I could kick CounterStrike butt on telly. They play a lot of new games that are coming out, as well as the established favourites, which is how I presume they make some money out of it. It would be nice to see a CS World Championship on TV where the top clans play each other, with slots where the top players give hints on what give them the edge.
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Multiple camera angles? why not just open it in a modified quake 3 client? every individual viewer could decide to watch it in any mode of their choice "Follow the leader" "Follow my favorite" "Follow the Action" "Director/Editor's Choice" "Free Floating/User controlled camera" I mean if it's just a recording of a game in some sort of proprietary quake recording format all objects and their positions will be recorded for the whole match ideally, it would be just like logging into a server and floating around in DEMO mode I love the idea of having color commentary especially from the likes of real-military experts ...
"this is Colon Powell at the CPL
world championships i'm standing here
with K-R4d 337it3 DeAtH Killah![MfG][iCE][SkULLz]
known to his friends as Timmy Wilson... "
watching "editor's choice" with a pitcher
of beer a bowl full of suicide hot chicken wings,
a big screen and a sports-bar full of buddies and
jovial strangers?
that'd be the best
Here some pictures from QuakeCon, just in case anybody was interested... www.shrocks.com
As the subject says, a good commentary on the current state of Q3 competition by a site that is focused on competetive 3D gaming, ShackES
here's a snip:
That was a fun time, but now there is no next time. There's online leagues, and maybe another online tourney from Cache, but really, what's out there for a Quake 3 player? We like the game, and we'll keep playing the game, but what is there to look forward too. Where's the reason to practice hard?
Gosh darn it, just the other day I got around to starting to serve Q3 Arena games from one of my Linux boxes... and promptly got my ass whipped most takers
But wait! There's hope yet for my lamer, non-31337, self-cratering keister. I've come up with a simple plan to elevate myself to a similar level of Q3 God-ness:
- 1. Ditch my company - Hey, it's fun making cash and all that, but I'll have to start somewhere, eh?
- 2. Lose the girlfriend - Heck, what's she really good for anyhow? And just think of all the extra time I'll have (oops, that'll be sucked up by gaming).
- 3. Forsake showers - In cyberspace, no one can smell your stench.
- 4. Become a Quaker - Ughh... never mind, that's something different I suppose...
Yesiree Bob, I figure if I can just buckle down and stick to my rocket launchers on this one, I'll acheive Quake greatness in a couple of years at the most!Or not.
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True (at least part of it)!
I don't think I want so much respect from these
people you named slashdorks. I want them to give
themselves a bit of respect by coding or doing
something creative besides playing Quake and
jerking-off to Jenna Jameson (or porn in general).
Respect (to you)!
The Best Q3 (and even some CS) stuff I've ever seen..
-- Hmmz, how the heck did I get here?
ZeRo4 was utterly amazing, and he controlled the levels with such skill. He was a totally deserving winner. QuakeCon was a demostration of how Quake can really be played.
I would advise anyone who hasn't done so already to go and download the demos here, and see for yourself.
I'm not sure I would want to see those things televised. But I can SEE that happening. It's already big thing in South Korea. These gamers are there "professionals". They get their money by playing in these events that are shown in television too. I'm not sure if it's crazy or not, but I wouldn't mind getting my bills paid by playing ;).
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I used to live right across the streen from Johnathan Wendel (Fatality) in Lee's Summit, MO. I actually setup most of his original boxes...nice guy, but way too shocking that HE made it this far. The kid's made a TON of money...in one year, he made TWICE what I make in one year...and I make a nice chunk of change. But..he's been losing his touch...notice that Zero4 clobbered him. My brother and I used to sit around and play Doom deathmatch with him in our basement on the LAN I setup... :)
..should there be tests for doping?
I mean, caffeine affects your performance. As does the various energy drinks. How about some amphetamine, speed? These are all very "useful" substances for a Quake player, when you need to keep your reaction speed to minimum.
Desire to win grows with the size of the prize. So does the need to improve your performance in any possible way. So what is legal, and what should be concidered immoral and even be banned?
Mandatory tests to each competitor?
I put it into q3ademo\and anywhere else that looks plausible but it's a .dm_66 and the other demos are .dm3 and look like they're built in to the pak0.pk3 file or something...
any quake hackers have any advice how to run this .dm_66 file or where I can get a .avi or media file to view... if that's possible.
be realistic
Er.. he is addressing the topic right here;
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Whenever I run the demo of Zero4 vs Fatality, I can't see the other player's model at all. Its like the other player is completely invisible. Any ideas as to what I am doing wrong?
This forum is populated by "computer people"; I frankly would've expected a little less antagonism towards Quake. This is not an unimportant topic. Granted, the average Slashdot user may consider themselves professionals in the field, and may harbor a certain disdain for the average game player, who may be young and/or obnoxious. Nevertheless, an attempt should be made to keep this in context, understanding that the Quake series has truly been groundbreaking in terms of online entertainment over the past few years. For thousands upon thousands of users, Quake--and games like it--inspire purchasing top-quality hardware at premium prices. While harnessing the power of Beowulf clusters to definitively factor massive integers holds a certain allure for technical persons, activities of this sort should be congratulated; they demonstrate that computers are entering realms that have in the past been dominated by less dynamic and more mundane systems (think many forms of sports, or even console-based video games). What lies on the horizon for computer gaming is absolutely astounding, and I think we can unanimously agree that this is just the beginning of more immersive and more ubiquitous game mediums, which will undoubtedly push realtime consumer-level graphics and networking that much further.
As a gamer, I've also gotta say that I'm amazed people reduce Quake to pointing and clicking. With five years under my belt I acknowledge that I have certain bias, but come on now. You may as well reduce the art of programming to the simple act of hammering repetitively on a keyboard. It's ridiculous. The players in a tournament like this have taken this game to a new level, and it's only fair to them that people not ridicule them by comparing it to Pong, Asteroid, or its other primitive ancestors. Come on, people like Carmack have done so much to popularize computers through the application of neat technology (unlike, say, AOL, which has more or less ridden the wave), give the complexity of it all some credit!
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