I think you have hit the nail on the head. I adore Mozilla/firebird/T-bird and i've been selling them to others like a brimstone preacher but I really do wish they would work on the memory footprint. They induce serious HD groaning and thrashing on anything under 128M of RAM.
Thats my only real complaint. Can we shrink the memory usage?
Ok, I do have one more gripe, specifically with thunderbird but I think its MY problem as nobody else reports it. I can't get links from thunderbird (ANY part of thunderbird) to actually open. This isn't just using the wrong default browser, but the links won't open in ANY browsers.
Is there a configuration option I coudl be messing up on a regular basis? I installed it with a supervisor who uses mozilla for his mail and we first noticed the problem (running under winXP). I tried it on my Linux box (debian unstable) and got the same problem. So, What am I doing wrong? Anyone? Anyone? Beuler? Beuler?
Speaking of AMD and laptops, I know HP did some AMD laptops for a while (may still be), but while I love AMD chips (AMD MPs are a STEAL for SMP systems) I was leary of these for 2 reasons. 1- buying anything from HP other than a printer is always (IMNSHO) a questionable decision (made worse by merger w/ compaq) 2- AMD systems traditionally run HOT. That is the only problem I've had with my MP servers, heating the room and dying fans. ( I have had to replace one of the fans on all but 1 of the seven MP servers we bought.)
So, has anyone bought a AMD based non-HP laptop? What was your opinion? How are the AMD mobile chips working out?
Heh! I'm writing this on my "Smokin" K6 2 350Mhz system. I finally had to give up trying playing modern games on it earlier this year, but last night I was having a great time playing geneforge2 from spiderweb games. I will admit things are getting tight with only 2 10 gig drives to work with.
So if you get that hand-me-down 800Mhz can I have your 550 P3 and MB?;)
A good humor post, but you do raise a interesting question. I think what it boils down to is this:
People lie.
Not even intentionally or knowingly, but when its a judgement call folks are giving their _Opinion_, which is just that, and opinion. People frequently hold an opinion, voice an opinion, but then don't always act on it, or in accordance with it. Your opinion also reflects how _you_ view yourself rather than the actual facts of your existance.
This is why companies would rather spy on you and gather overall statistics. These are facts,of a sort. (whats the old saw? 3 kind of lies, lies, damn lies, and statistics.) Your actions speak lowder than you words, and are less affected by your own self perception. This is part of why introspection and psychoanalysis fell out of favor in psychology in favor of behavioralism.
This is the quandry of privacy vs responsiveness to consumer desires. Take for example tv ratings. There was a flash in the pan a while back about Tivo recording customer viewing habits and what use was made of that information. If every TV/Tivo/cable box sent back viewing preferences to broadcasters then we would probably have better programs on the air (farscape? firefly?), but really do you want ANYONE to know about your secret addiction to Gilligan's Island? And once you open the door, how do you filter?
There there is my answer to your question, they want a model be cause its more accurate than your opinion. The question of which is more important I will leave for another discussion.
It's probably just selfish on my part, but I wish the states would stop setteling and go for the throat and get a conviction so we can start setting up some precedents here. Wouldn't puntative damages come to more than these settlements?
This one bugs me too. I just feel silly talking about crackers attacking my systems. On top of that at least in the U.S. cracker has some racial old south connotations that make me a little uncomfortable. From www.webster.com: Cracker:
5 a usually disparaging : a poor usually Southern white b capitalized : a native or resident of Florida or Georgia -- used as a nickname
My suggestion is we use "Haxzor" for those attempting to do bad things to other peoples systems as it has no other connections, is belittling, and mocks their own self-stylings. Its easier to hear the difference between the words also.
Compare: He is a dang smart kernel hacker. Some dufus haxzor tried a 2 year old microsoft crack on my apache server.
Oi, Redhat is on my Sh1tlist right now for this bait and switch scam, but I have to disagree with you on this one.
Unless your one of the rare few employed by a Redhat or Suse, or working for a company like IBM that is promoting Linux for its own agenda (break M$ stranglehold) you arn't ever going to get paid for contributing to open source. And I wouldn't bank on those being careers spanning careers either as they will eventually go away as they lose interest (IBM) or become irrelevant (boxed set distros) and their role is taken over by community/volunteer communities (GNU/Debian/Fedora,ect).
The way you will make a living as an OS programmer is finding a company that uses a lot of opensource and wants to take advantage of that fact by not relying on anyone else for updates/fixes/modifications of their code. You will work for a company that supports its own in-house bullpen of programmers. Rather than make mr. Gate$ richer each year they will sink a portion of that money into salaries for folks like you who will be their onsite code monkey working w/ open source software for them. Then once you have developed it/tweaked it/ patched it, you put it back in the community if your work is generally usefull. Then some other programmer being payed by some other company will use some of your GPL code, tweak it for his companies use, fix your bugs, and again release it. Some freelance developer, sees that guys code, works out a few kinks, expands is functionality, and then sells his services setting up the new killer enterprise app for some 3rd company, then releases what he did. You see his revised version, see how with a bit of reworking it can save your company Mucho $$$, customize it, implement it, get your nice raise and release it again. Wash, Rinse, Repeat
See, lots of folks getting paid to write opensource code, "GNU/Linux/HERD/Whatever" doesn't pay a cent for it, but still continues to expand, grow, and breed more opportunities for smart techies to make buckaroos.
So, YOU don't develop for free - unless its a hobby, or to fix something that irks your favorite app. Then, why should you? You would have done it anyway to scratch your personal itch.
I'm not sure if your post was a real question or a Clever closed source sponsored FUD, but for the sake of argument I'll assume it was the former and hope this is a useful answer for you.
If I hear one more person saying how wonderful the Mac UI is i'm going to puke. My wife picked up KDE's newest desktop faster than OSx's. MAC hasn't done any worthwhile innovation on the desktop since they ripped of Unix's X, (Which MS quickly ripped off for Win95). Flashy eye candy does not make for an intuitive effective User interface.
Have you tried the newest KDE3? Best UI i've ever used. Beats XP AND OS X. And I don't have to pay 100+ every few years to keep the "privelege" of using it.
Thank you for pointing this out! This was explained to me by a nuclear physicist a while back. While kind of scary that these reactors create weapon grade material, if you keep re-using it it continues to diminish in mass and half-life. As it was explained to me, after you have used it long enough you get material that ceases to be dangerous in a matter of years rather than centuries. You do need responsible stewardship of the reactor to make sure that the enriched materials are used for energy production rather than bombs, but over all you produce LESS dangerous materials that are dangerous for a shorter period of time. Much easier to keep 1 ton of material safe and secure than 1000's of ton's of "dirty bomb" material that will be dangerous for the next few thousand years. . .
I already posted above, but I have to second that.
A good sysadmin and google search makes redhat's tech support contract irrelevant in an academic setting, but when supporting 100s of machines a good update system that can be automated is imperative. If we could get a good Academic/Scientific Site Licence we could stick with RH. Lacking that something is going to have to give:(
I am in exactly the same boat. Our reseach group works closely with the both of the major midwest research centers and I'm pulling my hair out deciding what our right path for post-RH will be. The pricing of the Enterprise systems is just prohibitive for us, and for reseach fedora is too unstable to provide a fixed enironment that will last the length of an experiment. My perspective is obviously skewed but with the thousands of linux systems in use in just one of these major labs I would think that the Research/Academic sector is one of the biggest markets linux has.
If RH could provide some sort of option for non-profit/academic/research groups we could continue to use it. However the lack of this option is putting these communities in a serious quandry. Some thought is being given to repackaging the Enterprise version after removing the propriatary bits, but this seems like re-inventing the wheel to me. Overall this decision on RH's part is leaving a very bad taste in the mouth of a lot of influencial people (and some non-influencial folks like me).
Where I would like to see the Scientific/Research community go is to Debian. Easy upgrade, conservative release durations, excellent security/errata support, and a great package managment system which would make it easy and convenient for different research groups to package and distribute their home grown tools. The philosophy of Debian is also closely in line with the Research/Academic ideals and mindset. I have been told that such a big distro jump may be problematic due to the dificutly of porting some of the core software used, but while the individual cases may be a bit tricky, I would have to think that the overall labor would be less than rebuilding and distributing all of Enterprise. The other objection I've most often seen is that debian is to hard to install. With the likes of Knoppix, Anaconda being ported by the Progeny team, and the new Debian Installer I don't think this is really a valid excuse. Admittedly, I've got quite a bit of practice at it now, but even using the default command line install I find I can do a debian install in about a quarter of the time (including downloads) that it takes to do a RH install (including up2date) do to the ease of package management.
Hmm... to keep on topic:
Dear Mr. CEO, How badly do you think it is going to hurt Redhat in the long run to alienate the scientific and academic sectors - two groups who are introducing linux to lots of smart professionals and students who will be the corporate decision makers 10 years from now?
You can do that with VNC. I even saw a few lines to add to your kdm/gdm config so that when you log in you bring up a VNC window instead of a normal desktop. Might take a bit more to set up a whole "cluster" of these systems so you always get the same hot desktop, but it looks like it would be just a matter of hacking existing tools.
If you really want this functionality, do it! (then please make a deb package for it so those of us who are too lazy can get it too;) )
I've tried apt-rpm and I work with debian machines alot... sadly there is really no comparison. It kind of FEELS like apt, but it just isn't. Worse, there is no such thing as an apt-rpm equivelent of the security pool for debian stable. The comunity behind apt-rpm just doesn't have the logistic and strengh of debian community. I'm still waiting on some security updates to get into the apt-pools for some RH9 systems configured for apt-rpm.
Dang I'm just a debian zealot today:P Think I'm annoyed with RH for putting me in such a quandry regarding our RH systems. After nursing these systems from 6.2 to 8, I love my debian boxen but i'm not looking forward to removing RH, installing debian and trying to make sure that they work close enough to the same that my users don't complain.
BTW - I would love to hear I'm wrong about a apt-rpm equivelent of debian security pool. Anyone know a good pool for that?
My debian installs takes exactly 2 Floppy disks...
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One to boot from and one with at comressed root file system. download the rest as needed.
What I usually use though is a net install CD. I can do a base install functioning system at under 300M.
Even if I set it up with all the bells and whistles, downloading everything, it takes me less time (includeing download time) than setting up a RH system, since I don't have to wade through so much dreck to get the packages I want.
While intersting and informative (I didn't know the lifespan of either man) as you point out the Average person did not live that long, thus decreasing the over all population and its rate of increase.
If we developed a method to increase active lifespan by a factor of 5 FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON- especialy if the period of viable fertility is also extended, then this would dramaticly increase population growth thus accelerating the problems of overpopulation
From Webster's Famine: an extreme scarcity of food. Scarcity: the state of being scare. Scarce: deficient in quantity or number compared with the demand.
War - you have to have people to fight, what do you fight over? Resources. Why do you refight over resources? Because you want more than you have. See Scarce above.
Plague - A plauge is an infectious disease affecting large portions of the populous. Why does it tend to spread so fast and far? Because to many people are crammed together in too small of a space with poor sanitation? Why? Scarcity. see above
Class Inequality - did you read original message.
Poverty - See scacity above and class inequality in original message.
Hey, great for me to be Lazerous Long, but I don't want that jerk down the street to live forever.
Seriously though, while the article is facinating and may eventually lead to some great breakthroughs in life extention, I don't think humanity as civilization is socially ready for such huge extentions in the lifespan. As was pointed out we are already living about twice as long as we did 500 years ago, and what has happened? We have overpopulated. The great majority of our current world problems come from too many people.
Famine, war, plauge, class inequality, poverty, pollution, environmental damage, you name it, it relates directly or indirectly to population. Our technology has been able to barely keep our heads above water, but look around and you will see that while we are fighting the good fight we are aren't winning just doing a losing holding action. Multiply lifespans by 5 and the total population would quickly overcome all efforts, or worse.
How worse? Say the process is very expensive. If you think class wars and the struggle between the haves and have-nots is bad now, just wait till the Bill Gates or Kim Jong-Ils of the future not only have more money than you ever will, but will have more years of life than you can aspire to. Say hello to your new imortal overlord...
While we will probably eventually discover how to extend the human life span indefinatly we will have to change our world society in regards to reproduction before it will spell anything but our doom if we succeed.
The "proof" of this can be examined in the following lines of thought.
People are a resource. The more of a resource that is available the less value of that resource. Thus the more people the less they are worth. So the value of human life, and the value of human labor goes down with each increase in the human population. In the past geography and cultural barriers have ment that seperated cultures could develop "independently" leaving "under" populated areas like the United States or Europe to thrive and produce high qualities of living and an abundance of natural resources - letting them dominate other regions that did not have the same advantages. As the world "shrinks" due to easy access to fast transportation and communication these benefits are dilluted and the world becomes more of one community, creating a greater equality. Unfortunatly for some, equality will mean moving down if you were on the top. This means that population issues are not the problem of "Those people" , "That ethnic group" or "That Country," but of all citizens of the planet who will share the responsibility.
Do you like democracy? The existance of the middle class? Technology? Then you should thank heaven for the Black Plauge. The black plauge made the rise of the middle class possilbe and increased the value of human life throughout Europe. The plauge wiped out huge swaths of the population in europe. While horribly tragic for those who lost their lives or the lives of loved ones this huge reduction in population of europe made people and human labor worth significantly more than it was before. This meant that those who wanted to use that labor (nobles/kings/economicly powerful) had to "pay" more for the resouce. The coin of exchange was not only material resources but the end of serfdom and an increase of human rights and a greater restriction on the power of the Kings/Nobles/Landowners/CEOs. This led eventually to rise of the middle class, representitive government (of one form or another), and the idea that non elite were more than cattle. Also with this increase in the cost of human labor it became more advantageous to develop technology to make better use of the labor and increase the abilities/longlevity of the resouces. The Aztecs developed the wheel, and used it in toys for children, but never implemented it as a tool because human labor was so cheap that there was no reason to.
Perhaps it makes more sense now why unemployment is so high, wa
Having been a boyscout from gradeschool to 18 and then having lived in both coed and single sex floors in dorms, I think segregating the sexes is a bad idea. Its bad for the females as another poster stated in that because if you have 6 boys and 2 girls interested, the boys chapter will get more resources and be more stable, while the 2 young ladies will have less resources and may not have enough numbers to maintain stability.
On the other side, having women around helps moderate / civilize young men. All male groups (from my observation as a male) tend to be less moral, less careful, less considerate and less clean. I think I learned the majority of the dirty jokes I know (especially the sexist or racist ones) in boyscouts, and the behavior of hallmates was much better on the co-ed floor than the all male one.
Could you clarify that a bit? Was the printserver (the device that was advertising the print queue and then passing the jobs to the printer) a linux system running CUPS? Or are you saying the HP4ML uses cups internally for queuing (which would suprise me). You can print to the Linux CUPS queue from a Mac running OS9, or if you are running the CUPS legacy LPD queues AND the OS X system is printing to a locally configurd LPD queue hosted on the linux machine, but we found that when a OSx box tried to print to a BROADCAST CUPS queue on the linux system, it hung up the print center and sometimes the queue too.
Were you working in the same environment and getting no problem? We have only tested with a Tektronics 750? and a Brother HL1650.
Not being an ass, just trying to get to the bottom of this.
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You do realize you just described the dewey decimal system and a card catalog, Right?
One big problem we were having with 10.2 was that our our Mac users could see our broadcast CUPS queues from the linux printserver, but when they tried to print to them it sometimes came out garbled, and with PDF's would hang the Mac Printcenter and sometimes the CUPS queue too. It was a while ago, but it had something to do with extra imbedded MAC only filters for imbedding PS images into PDF... getting vauge with time. Anyway it came down to Apple teaking CUPS out of compliance with the CUPS "standard." A patch was submitted (by another slashdot reader - care to speak up?) but I don't know if it was ever implemented. Anyone else know if this had been fixed in 10.3?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what your talking about, but if you just mean the rate of scroll from your scroll wheel, you can configure that in your preferences to X lines per scroll "click" or even pages under mozilla.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head. I adore Mozilla/firebird/T-bird and i've been selling them to others like a brimstone preacher but I really do wish they would work on the memory footprint. They induce serious HD groaning and thrashing on anything under 128M of RAM.
Thats my only real complaint. Can we shrink the memory usage?
Ok, I do have one more gripe, specifically with thunderbird but I think its MY problem as nobody else reports it. I can't get links from thunderbird (ANY part of thunderbird) to actually open. This isn't just using the wrong default browser, but the links won't open in ANY browsers.
Is there a configuration option I coudl be messing up on a regular basis? I installed it with a supervisor who uses mozilla for his mail and we first noticed the problem (running under winXP). I tried it on my Linux box (debian unstable) and got the same problem. So, What am I doing wrong?
Anyone? Anyone? Beuler? Beuler?
Speaking of AMD and laptops, I know HP did some AMD laptops for a while (may still be), but while I love AMD chips (AMD MPs are a STEAL for SMP systems) I was leary of these for 2 reasons. 1- buying anything from HP other than a printer is always (IMNSHO) a questionable decision (made worse by merger w/ compaq) 2- AMD systems traditionally run HOT. That is the only problem I've had with my MP servers, heating the room and dying fans. ( I have had to replace one of the fans on all but 1 of the seven MP servers we bought.)
So, has anyone bought a AMD based non-HP laptop? What was your opinion? How are the AMD mobile chips working out?
Heh! I'm writing this on my "Smokin" K6 2 350Mhz system. I finally had to give up trying playing modern games on it earlier this year, but last night I was having a great time playing geneforge2 from spiderweb games. I will admit things are getting tight with only 2 10 gig drives to work with.
;)
So if you get that hand-me-down 800Mhz can I have your 550 P3 and MB?
A good humor post, but you do raise a interesting question. I think what it boils down to is this:
People lie.
Not even intentionally or knowingly, but when its a judgement call folks are giving their _Opinion_, which is just that, and opinion. People frequently hold an opinion, voice an opinion, but then don't always act on it, or in accordance with it. Your opinion also reflects how _you_ view yourself rather than the actual facts of your existance.
This is why companies would rather spy on you and gather overall statistics. These are facts,of a sort. (whats the old saw? 3 kind of lies, lies, damn lies, and statistics.) Your actions speak lowder than you words, and are less affected by your own self perception. This is part of why introspection and psychoanalysis fell out of favor in psychology in favor of behavioralism.
This is the quandry of privacy vs responsiveness to consumer desires. Take for example tv ratings. There was a flash in the pan a while back about Tivo recording customer viewing habits and what use was made of that information. If every TV/Tivo/cable box sent back viewing preferences to broadcasters then we would probably have better programs on the air (farscape? firefly?), but really do you want ANYONE to know about your secret addiction to Gilligan's Island? And once you open the door, how do you filter?
There there is my answer to your question, they want a model be cause its more accurate than your opinion. The question of which is more important I will leave for another discussion.
It's probably just selfish on my part, but I wish the states would stop setteling and go for the throat and get a conviction so we can start setting up some precedents here. Wouldn't puntative damages come to more than these settlements?
This one bugs me too. I just feel silly talking about crackers attacking my systems. On top of that at least in the U.S. cracker has some racial old south connotations that make me a little uncomfortable.
From www.webster.com:
Cracker:
5 a usually disparaging : a poor usually Southern white b capitalized : a native or resident of Florida or Georgia -- used as a nickname
My suggestion is we use "Haxzor" for those attempting to do bad things to other peoples systems as it has no other connections, is belittling, and mocks their own self-stylings. Its easier to hear the difference between the words also.
Compare:
He is a dang smart kernel hacker.
Some dufus haxzor tried a 2 year old microsoft crack on my apache server.
Just my $.02
Oi, Redhat is on my Sh1tlist right now for this bait and switch scam, but I have to disagree with you on this one.
/tweaked it/ patched it, you put it back in the community if your work is generally usefull. Then some other programmer being payed by some other company will use some of your GPL code, tweak it for his companies use, fix your bugs, and again release it. Some freelance developer, sees that guys code, works out a few kinks, expands is functionality, and then sells his services setting up the new killer enterprise app for some 3rd company, then releases what he did. You see his revised version, see how with a bit of reworking it can save your company Mucho $$$, customize it, implement it, get your nice raise and release it again. Wash, Rinse, Repeat
Unless your one of the rare few employed by a Redhat or Suse, or working for a company like IBM that is promoting Linux for its own agenda (break M$ stranglehold) you arn't ever going to get paid for contributing to open source. And I wouldn't bank on those being careers spanning careers either as they will eventually go away as they lose interest (IBM) or become irrelevant (boxed set distros) and their role is taken over by community/volunteer communities (GNU/Debian/Fedora,ect).
The way you will make a living as an OS programmer is finding a company that uses a lot of opensource and wants to take advantage of that fact by not relying on anyone else for updates/fixes/modifications of their code. You will work for a company that supports its own in-house bullpen of programmers. Rather than make mr. Gate$ richer each year they will sink a portion of that money into salaries for folks like you who will be their onsite code monkey working w/ open source software for them. Then once you have developed it
See, lots of folks getting paid to write opensource code, "GNU/Linux/HERD/Whatever" doesn't pay a cent for it, but still continues to expand, grow, and breed more opportunities for smart techies to make buckaroos.
So, YOU don't develop for free - unless its a hobby, or to fix something that irks your favorite app. Then, why should you? You would have done it anyway to scratch your personal itch.
I'm not sure if your post was a real question or a Clever closed source sponsored FUD, but for the sake of argument I'll assume it was the former and hope this is a useful answer for you.
Honestly? Now? Nobody important.
If I hear one more person saying how wonderful the Mac UI is i'm going to puke. My wife picked up KDE's newest desktop faster than OSx's. MAC hasn't done any worthwhile innovation on the desktop since they ripped of Unix's X, (Which MS quickly ripped off for Win95). Flashy eye candy does not make for an intuitive effective User interface.
Have you tried the newest KDE3? Best UI i've ever used. Beats XP AND OS X. And I don't have to pay 100+ every few years to keep the "privelege" of using it.
Thank you for pointing this out!
This was explained to me by a nuclear physicist a while back. While kind of scary that these reactors create weapon grade material, if you keep re-using it it continues to diminish in mass and half-life.
As it was explained to me, after you have used it long enough you get material that ceases to be dangerous in a matter of years rather than centuries.
You do need responsible stewardship of the reactor to make sure that the enriched materials are used for energy production rather than bombs, but over all you produce LESS dangerous materials that are dangerous for a shorter period of time. Much easier to keep 1 ton of material safe and secure than 1000's of ton's of "dirty bomb" material that will be dangerous for the next few thousand years. . .
I already posted above, but I have to second that.
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A good sysadmin and google search makes redhat's tech support contract irrelevant in an academic setting, but when supporting 100s of machines a good update system that can be automated is imperative. If we could get a good Academic/Scientific Site Licence we could stick with RH. Lacking that something is going to have to give
I am in exactly the same boat. Our reseach group works closely with the both of the major midwest research centers and I'm pulling my hair out deciding what our right path for post-RH will be. The pricing of the Enterprise systems is just prohibitive for us, and for reseach fedora is too unstable to provide a fixed enironment that will last the length of an experiment. My perspective is obviously skewed but with the thousands of linux systems in use in just one of these major labs I would think that the Research/Academic sector is one of the biggest markets linux has.
/errata support, and a great package managment system which would make it easy and convenient for different research groups to package and distribute their home grown tools. The philosophy of Debian is also closely in line with the Research/Academic ideals and mindset. I have been told that such a big distro jump may be problematic due to the dificutly of porting some of the core software used, but while the individual cases may be a bit tricky, I would have to think that the overall labor would be less than rebuilding and distributing all of Enterprise. The other objection I've most often seen is that debian is to hard to install. With the likes of Knoppix, Anaconda being ported by the Progeny team, and the new Debian Installer I don't think this is really a valid excuse. Admittedly, I've got quite a bit of practice at it now, but even using the default command line install I find I can do a debian install in about a quarter of the time (including downloads) that it takes to do a RH install (including up2date) do to the ease of package management.
If RH could provide some sort of option for non-profit/academic/research groups we could continue to use it. However the lack of this option is putting these communities in a serious quandry. Some thought is being given to repackaging the Enterprise version after removing the propriatary bits, but this seems like re-inventing the wheel to me. Overall this decision on RH's part is leaving a very bad taste in the mouth of a lot of influencial people (and some non-influencial folks like me).
Where I would like to see the Scientific/Research community go is to Debian. Easy upgrade, conservative release durations, excellent security
Hmm... to keep on topic:
Dear Mr. CEO,
How badly do you think it is going to hurt Redhat in the long run to alienate the scientific and academic sectors - two groups who are introducing linux to lots of smart professionals and students who will be the corporate decision makers 10 years from now?
You can do that with VNC. I even saw a few lines to add to your kdm/gdm config so that when you log in you bring up a VNC window instead of a normal desktop. Might take a bit more to set up a whole "cluster" of these systems so you always get the same hot desktop, but it looks like it would be just a matter of hacking existing tools.
If you really want this functionality, do it! (then please make a deb package for it so those of us who are too lazy can get it too
I've tried apt-rpm and I work with debian machines alot... sadly there is really no comparison. It kind of FEELS like apt, but it just isn't. Worse, there is no such thing as an apt-rpm equivelent of the security pool for debian stable. The comunity behind apt-rpm just doesn't have the logistic and strengh of debian community. I'm still waiting on some security updates to get into the apt-pools for some RH9 systems configured for apt-rpm.
Dang I'm just a debian zealot today
BTW - I would love to hear I'm wrong about a apt-rpm equivelent of debian security pool. Anyone know a good pool for that?
One to boot from and one with at comressed root file system. download the rest as needed.
What I usually use though is a net install CD. I can do a base install functioning system at under 300M.
Even if I set it up with all the bells and whistles, downloading everything, it takes me less time (includeing download time) than setting up a RH system, since I don't have to wade through so much dreck to get the packages I want.
No argument.
While intersting and informative (I didn't know the lifespan of either man) as you point out the Average person did not live that long, thus decreasing the over all population and its rate of increase.
If we developed a method to increase active lifespan by a factor of 5 FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON- especialy if the period of viable fertility is also extended, then this would dramaticly increase population growth thus accelerating the problems of overpopulation
From Webster's
Famine: an extreme scarcity of food.
Scarcity: the state of being scare.
Scarce: deficient in quantity or number compared with the demand.
War - you have to have people to fight, what do you fight over? Resources. Why do you refight over resources? Because you want more than you have. See Scarce above.
Plague - A plauge is an infectious disease affecting large portions of the populous. Why does it tend to spread so fast and far? Because to many people are crammed together in too small of a space with poor sanitation? Why? Scarcity. see above
Class Inequality - did you read original message.
Poverty - See scacity above and class inequality in original message.
Hey, great for me to be Lazerous Long, but I don't want that jerk down the street to live forever.
/longlevity of the resouces. The Aztecs developed the wheel, and used it in toys for children, but never implemented it as a tool because human labor was so cheap that there was no reason to.
Seriously though, while the article is facinating and may eventually lead to some great breakthroughs in life extention, I don't think humanity as civilization is socially ready for such huge extentions in the lifespan. As was pointed out we are already living about twice as long as we did 500 years ago, and what has happened? We have overpopulated. The great majority of our current world problems come from too many people.
Famine, war, plauge, class inequality, poverty, pollution, environmental damage, you name it, it relates directly or indirectly to population. Our technology has been able to barely keep our heads above water, but look around and you will see that while we are fighting the good fight we are aren't winning just doing a losing holding action. Multiply lifespans by 5 and the total population would quickly overcome all efforts, or worse.
How worse? Say the process is very expensive. If you think class wars and the struggle between the haves and have-nots is bad now, just wait till the Bill Gates or Kim Jong-Ils of the future not only have more money than you ever will, but will have more years of life than you can aspire to. Say hello to your new imortal overlord...
While we will probably eventually discover how to extend the human life span indefinatly we will have to change our world society in regards to reproduction before it will spell anything but our doom if we succeed.
The "proof" of this can be examined in the following lines of thought.
People are a resource. The more of a resource that is available the less value of that resource. Thus the more people the less they are worth. So the value of human life, and the value of human labor goes down with each increase in the human population. In the past geography and cultural barriers have ment that seperated cultures could develop "independently" leaving "under" populated areas like the United States or Europe to thrive and produce high qualities of living and an abundance of natural resources - letting them dominate other regions that did not have the same advantages. As the world "shrinks" due to easy access to fast transportation and communication these benefits are dilluted and the world becomes more of one community, creating a greater equality. Unfortunatly for some, equality will mean moving down if you were on the top. This means that population issues are not the problem of "Those people" , "That ethnic group" or "That Country," but of all citizens of the planet who will share the responsibility.
Do you like democracy? The existance of the middle class? Technology? Then you should thank heaven for the Black Plauge. The black plauge made the rise of the middle class possilbe and increased the value of human life throughout Europe. The plauge wiped out huge swaths of the population in europe. While horribly tragic for those who lost their lives or the lives of loved ones this huge reduction in population of europe made people and human labor worth significantly more than it was before. This meant that those who wanted to use that labor (nobles/kings/economicly powerful) had to "pay" more for the resouce. The coin of exchange was not only material resources but the end of serfdom and an increase of human rights and a greater restriction on the power of the Kings/Nobles/Landowners/CEOs. This led eventually to rise of the middle class, representitive government (of one form or another), and the idea that non elite were more than cattle. Also with this increase in the cost of human labor it became more advantageous to develop technology to make better use of the labor and increase the abilities
Perhaps it makes more sense now why unemployment is so high, wa
"I only look human.
My mother is a hafling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling"
THAT had to hurt!
Having been a boyscout from gradeschool to 18 and then having lived in both coed and single sex floors in dorms, I think segregating the sexes is a bad idea. Its bad for the females as another poster stated in that because if you have 6 boys and 2 girls interested, the boys chapter will get more resources and be more stable, while the 2 young ladies will have less resources and may not have enough numbers to maintain stability.
On the other side, having women around helps moderate / civilize young men. All male groups (from my observation as a male) tend to be less moral, less careful, less considerate and less clean. I think I learned the majority of the dirty jokes I know (especially the sexist or racist ones) in boyscouts, and the behavior of hallmates was much better on the co-ed floor than the all male one.
just my 2 cents.
Could you clarify that a bit? Was the printserver (the device that was advertising the print queue and then passing the jobs to the printer) a linux system running CUPS? Or are you saying the HP4ML uses cups internally for queuing (which would suprise me). You can print to the Linux CUPS queue from a Mac running OS9, or if you are running the CUPS legacy LPD queues AND the OS X system is printing to a locally configurd LPD queue hosted on the linux machine, but we found that when a OSx box tried to print to a BROADCAST CUPS queue on the linux system, it hung up the print center and sometimes the queue too.
Were you working in the same environment and getting no problem? We have only tested with a Tektronics 750? and a Brother HL1650.
Not being an ass, just trying to get to the bottom of this.
You do realize you just described the dewey decimal system and a card catalog, Right?
One big problem we were having with 10.2 was that our our Mac users could see our broadcast CUPS queues from the linux printserver, but when they tried to print to them it sometimes came out garbled, and with PDF's would hang the Mac Printcenter and sometimes the CUPS queue too. It was a while ago, but it had something to do with extra imbedded MAC only filters for imbedding PS images into PDF... getting vauge with time. Anyway it came down to Apple teaking CUPS out of compliance with the CUPS "standard." A patch was submitted (by another slashdot reader - care to speak up?) but I don't know if it was ever implemented. Anyone else know if this had been fixed in 10.3?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what your talking about, but if you just mean the rate of scroll from your scroll wheel, you can configure that in your preferences to X lines per scroll "click" or even pages under mozilla.
Hmm looks like someone agreed... the Flaming Firebird site is gone and the old one is back...