"Funny, I thought it was so they could play audio and videos out of the box."
You thought wrong.
Though that is why Linux distos bundle it, convienience. Then again, Linux distros don't tie you to a proptietary codec format that is used largely just because "it's there" on 90+% of all desktop systems, where with MS that is, and always has been, the main goal.
It can only be viewed in 2 different ways if you want to say something like, Pepsi has a monopoly in the Pepsi market, and Coke has a monopoly in the Coke market. It's simply not relevant. The relevent question in this analogy would be who has a monopoly in the soda market.
"shouldn't an os have the ability to play common files though?"
No. An os should have the ability to *run applications* which play common files. The fact that MS chose to tie WMP into the os has, however, effectively killed the market for those applications... not to mention given MS the leverage to create proprietary codecs and server services, in essence expanded their monopoly into that area.
No, an iron maiden is a device similar to a coffin, except there are spikes sticking inwards attached to the doors and back, which when closed, create the closest thing imaginable to human swiss cheese.
"And if you're doing to do a *nix port, why not start with the largest *nix installed userbase out there.. OSX"
I see this alot. Problem I have with it is, everybody I know, and new people that I meet that have anything at all to do with 'puters either run linux or win. I truly only know 2 people that have or had macs, and one of those has an old classic.. don't even think he's ever gotten it to work.. he got it from a friend, and the other used to use macs, but he's got a wintel now (and he NEVER had OSX). So, I actually know about 10x more people that use linux than have ever had anything to do with a mac.
Disclaimer, I am not in any kind of computer club (duh, I'm a 40 something wife and mother, that's not quite my scene) so therefore I do not have biased data due to that. These are just normal friends and aquaintances.
The ONLY time I ever get to play with a mac is in the stores where they are sold.
Ever try running some of the old Loki games on a current distro? Voila. Application no workie. Major incompatabilities with current kernels and libraries. This is *precisely* what he's talking about.
Y'know what? If you don't like shareware, don't use it. Use the free stuff. I like free stuff, you like free stuff, we ALL like free stuff. It's not like it's gonna dry up and blow away, and some competition from closed source apps would be good all around I think. If the free app can't hold up against some "stupid little utility", well then it probably wasn't that good to begin with, and the only reason it was being used was because it was free, and the only game in town. To me, the main rallying point of Linux is that it's not made by MS. I could care less if it was free or open source, really (if that's your thing, more power to ya, I just want my machine to do what I want it to in order to work or play). I've paid for many distros in the past, I forsee that continuing into the future, and I don't have a problem with that because I know the difference between free beer and free speech.
I, for one, would absolutely love to see apps such as AutoCAD and 3DS Max running native on Linux. Give me commercial apps. I'll buy 'em, as would many others. Sorry guys, it's not just a hobby OS anymore, nor is it just for servers. We want workstation apps, not just a word processor, spreadsheet and solitaire. Nor do I want windows app compatability. I want NATIVE apps. While I'm not thrilled about the winlib idea here, it is indeed a step forward.. as long as they keep going forward and the first chance they get to do a re-write (major version change maybe?) do it for full cross compatability. I can see using this to get started down the path of richousness, but not as an end goal. I do NOT want anything like the OS/2 win compatability to happen (which was, IMO the downfall of OS/2).
Why then are they only releasing it for Vista, when it should run just fine on the same platform as Halo for pc? The only logical explanation (rumor.. I guess.. not enough time in the day to read everything that's been written about it lately) I've read is that Halo 2 will be a DX10 game. Therfore requireing you to have a DX10 capable gfx card along with a system that can keep up with it. Last I looked, they weren't selling those anytime in the last 6 years.
Sorry, I do not agree. No, I'm not in your age bracket, but then neither am I in the younger one that you speak of. 41 and female, and addicted to games since the Atari. I went through the whole Doom and Quake thing (though Duke Nukem will always be my fave of that era.. Hail to the king baby). I think I got bored with the FPS's, because they all started to be the same. Then Halo. Oh.. my.. god.. Halo. The seamless trasitions between 1st and 3rd person action, the music, the story.. it just all worked for me. I could really give a rats ass about mouse/keyboard control, as that was probably my least favorite part of computer fps's. The controller, and the control scheme just works for me.
So, at the very least, (for me anyways) it's certainly not the "newness" of discovering fps's that draws me to the game.
Wow. You actually paid for a usb adapter? Man, it's only like, 4 wires to connect to the controller port (or splice into a dongle, or into a memory slot, empty memcard case, controller case.. the options are varied and many, not to mention much cooler looking).
That whole segment will upgrade in one fell swoop regardless, just because that's what they do. They don't require a dangling carrot, just a path to move forward onto.
The whole point is that MS has not been asked (much less forced) to supply source. They've been asked to supply protocol documentation, which they obviously do not want to do.
Oh, but they DO get it. They just don't wanna give it, so they play dumb. They know exactly what is wanted from them, but are refusing to acknowledge it.
"Because in some cases you need to keep the temperature of something constant as the heat causes chemical reactions in food to occur. Such as when making toffie, or beer or any number of other things!
In that case, the timer is the measure of progress, not the thermometer."
And also in that case, you ARE NOT BAKING. What part of "baking thermometer" did you not understand? Though when using a candy thermometer (as in your toffee example) you are still looking for a certain temp to be obtained. It has nothing to do with a timer. Hopefully you will keep your distance from any stove, 'cause you're absolutely clueless about cooking.
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"Funny, I thought it was so they could play audio and videos out of the box."
You thought wrong.
Though that is why Linux distos bundle it, convienience. Then again, Linux distros don't tie you to a proptietary codec format that is used largely just because "it's there" on 90+% of all desktop systems, where with MS that is, and always has been, the main goal.
It can only be viewed in 2 different ways if you want to say something like, Pepsi has a monopoly in the Pepsi market, and Coke has a monopoly in the Coke market. It's simply not relevant. The relevent question in this analogy would be who has a monopoly in the soda market.
Oh but they ARE different. The are not bundled as *part of the os*, but as distinctly seperate applications.
It's nothing at all about being a target, it's about competing fairly.
"shouldn't an os have the ability to play common files though?"
No. An os should have the ability to *run applications* which play common files. The fact that MS chose to tie WMP into the os has, however, effectively killed the market for those applications... not to mention given MS the leverage to create proprietary codecs and server services, in essence expanded their monopoly into that area.
No, an iron maiden is a device similar to a coffin, except there are spikes sticking inwards attached to the doors and back, which when closed, create the closest thing imaginable to human swiss cheese.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Maiden_(torture
Adam Sandler sucks. Period.
And some poor geocitier just had their widdle site slashdotted!!
LOL
It's also a floor wax *and* a dessert topping. :D
This was my initial thought when they hired him to begin with.
You might want to enable sigs in your preferences, else you might give someone the impression that you're not quite on the ball ;).
"there are alternative photo apps out there that are open source, so why would anyone use this?"
Maybe if you actually *knew* what this app was (as by your statement you clearly do not), you could answer that question yourself.
"And if you're doing to do a *nix port, why not start with the largest *nix installed userbase out there .. OSX"
I see this alot. Problem I have with it is, everybody I know, and new people that I meet that have anything at all to do with 'puters either run linux or win. I truly only know 2 people that have or had macs, and one of those has an old classic.. don't even think he's ever gotten it to work.. he got it from a friend, and the other used to use macs, but he's got a wintel now (and he NEVER had OSX). So, I actually know about 10x more people that use linux than have ever had anything to do with a mac.
Disclaimer, I am not in any kind of computer club (duh, I'm a 40 something wife and mother, that's not quite my scene) so therefore I do not have biased data due to that. These are just normal friends and aquaintances.
The ONLY time I ever get to play with a mac is in the stores where they are sold.
"And don't fool yourselves, Wine IS an emulator."
You have much to learn, young grasshopper.
Ever try running some of the old Loki games on a current distro? Voila. Application no workie. Major incompatabilities with current kernels and libraries. This is *precisely* what he's talking about.
Y'know what? If you don't like shareware, don't use it. Use the free stuff. I like free stuff, you like free stuff, we ALL like free stuff. It's not like it's gonna dry up and blow away, and some competition from closed source apps would be good all around I think. If the free app can't hold up against some "stupid little utility", well then it probably wasn't that good to begin with, and the only reason it was being used was because it was free, and the only game in town. To me, the main rallying point of Linux is that it's not made by MS. I could care less if it was free or open source, really (if that's your thing, more power to ya, I just want my machine to do what I want it to in order to work or play). I've paid for many distros in the past, I forsee that continuing into the future, and I don't have a problem with that because I know the difference between free beer and free speech.
I, for one, would absolutely love to see apps such as AutoCAD and 3DS Max running native on Linux. Give me commercial apps. I'll buy 'em, as would many others. Sorry guys, it's not just a hobby OS anymore, nor is it just for servers. We want workstation apps, not just a word processor, spreadsheet and solitaire. Nor do I want windows app compatability. I want NATIVE apps. While I'm not thrilled about the winlib idea here, it is indeed a step forward.. as long as they keep going forward and the first chance they get to do a re-write (major version change maybe?) do it for full cross compatability. I can see using this to get started down the path of richousness, but not as an end goal. I do NOT want anything like the OS/2 win compatability to happen (which was, IMO the downfall of OS/2).
Yes, Halo 2, xbox, old, etc.. etc...
BUT
Why then are they only releasing it for Vista, when it should run just fine on the same platform as Halo for pc? The only logical explanation (rumor.. I guess.. not enough time in the day to read everything that's been written about it lately) I've read is that Halo 2 will be a DX10 game. Therfore requireing you to have a DX10 capable gfx card along with a system that can keep up with it. Last I looked, they weren't selling those anytime in the last 6 years.
If you read the article (since you obviously haven't tried the software), in just the 2nd sentance it says...
"If a consumer chooses to use it, the new "Search Across Computers" feature [snip]"
Having difficulty with the meaning of "chooses to use it"?
Sorry, I do not agree. No, I'm not in your age bracket, but then neither am I in the younger one that you speak of. 41 and female, and addicted to games since the Atari. I went through the whole Doom and Quake thing (though Duke Nukem will always be my fave of that era.. Hail to the king baby). I think I got bored with the FPS's, because they all started to be the same. Then Halo. Oh.. my.. god.. Halo. The seamless trasitions between 1st and 3rd person action, the music, the story.. it just all worked for me. I could really give a rats ass about mouse/keyboard control, as that was probably my least favorite part of computer fps's. The controller, and the control scheme just works for me.
So, at the very least, (for me anyways) it's certainly not the "newness" of discovering fps's that draws me to the game.
If you paid $400 for windows, man you got screwed. I'd be bitter too.
Wow. You actually paid for a usb adapter? Man, it's only like, 4 wires to connect to the controller port (or splice into a dongle, or into a memory slot, empty memcard case, controller case.. the options are varied and many, not to mention much cooler looking).
That whole segment will upgrade in one fell swoop regardless, just because that's what they do. They don't require a dangling carrot, just a path to move forward onto.
Well, maybe he was almost through the 2nd cargo bay in Halo 2 on Legendary. I'd bitch too.
The whole point is that MS has not been asked (much less forced) to supply source. They've been asked to supply protocol documentation, which they obviously do not want to do.
Oh, but they DO get it. They just don't wanna give it, so they play dumb. They know exactly what is wanted from them, but are refusing to acknowledge it.
"Because in some cases you need to keep the temperature of something constant as the heat causes chemical reactions in food to occur. Such as when making toffie, or beer or any number of other things!
In that case, the timer is the measure of progress, not the thermometer."
And also in that case, you ARE NOT BAKING. What part of "baking thermometer" did you not understand? Though when using a candy thermometer (as in your toffee example) you are still looking for a certain temp to be obtained. It has nothing to do with a timer. Hopefully you will keep your distance from any stove, 'cause you're absolutely clueless about cooking.