But would anybody BUY those systems without the software? Heck, hardly anybody buys those systems even with the software!;-)
People buy Macs for the OS, not so much the hardware.
But it is nice hardware.
As far as how many people buy Macs -- most of the media content creation industries, such as publishing and pro audio recording studios, run almost entirely on Macs. Big in TV editing too.
Probably the BSD version was changed to be suitable for Motorola processors, that's why you can't use mac os x with an Intel or similar.
From the Darwin FAQ
Darwin and BSD
Q. Why is Darwin based on BSD UNIX?
A. There are several reasons for this. The first one is historical. Mac OS X draws a lot of its code base from a system called OPENSTEP, created by NeXT Software, which Apple bought in 1997. OPENSTEP and its predecessor, NEXTSTEP, were based on 4.3 BSD. BSD has always had a rich academic developer community behind it, and while much of the original BSD UNIX was not free, its source code was available to anyone who obtained a license for it. The wide development community that arose to support BSD contributed to many of the ideas that drive today's open source community. That community also facilitated a great deal of research, including work to put BSD on Mach at Carnegie Mellon University-code that eventually found its way to NeXT and now to Apple.
Second, BSD is widely respected as clean, robust, and maintainable code. There remains a strong developer community that knows the code base very well and continues the work started at UC Berkeley. In addition, the BSD license is very open, which has made it easy for us to leverage its compelling core technology to enhance the Mac OS.
Best of all, as a result of making this choice, Apple is now an active participant in the BSD community. This allows us to make sure that the capabilities important to Mac users are added to BSD. Being part of the BSD community also gives us access to excellent peer review and keeps us on a path to adopt and contribute to open standards, the benefits of which are well known to our developers. The BSD community has been extremely supportive of Apple since we first approached NetBSD, FreeBSD, and others about doing a better job of sharing code. That happened even before we announced Darwin. Now we're pleased to have become an even more active participant in the community.
Q. Where does Darwin fit into the BSD family?
A. The purpose of Darwin is to provide the core system software for Mac OS X. It is not designed to be an alternative to other excellent BSD options such as FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD. Darwin is simply BSD tweaked in ways we think will help Apple deliver the next great version of the Mac OS. We should note, however, that apart from a few architectural differences (such as our use of the Mach kernel), we try to keep Darwin as compatible as possible with FreeBSD (our BSD reference platform).
Q. Does Darwin offer any benefits to someone who's already using another version of BSD?
A. Yes, it does. Darwin drives Mac OS X, which we consider a compelling new operating system not only for existing Macintosh customers, but also for the BSD community and other UNIX users. Darwin is a great example of BSD running on the PowerPC platform. It offers a well-defined code base from a major computer manufacturer, as well as a really cool graphical user interface (Mac OS X).
Q. How does Apple intend to work with other BSD groups?
A. Our goals with all of the upstream source projects-BSD, Apache, Kerberos, GNU, and so on-are to minimize the differences between our code and theirs and to update our code regularly. We already synchronize our code periodically with NetBSD for most of our user commands, and we will soon be doing the same with FreeBSD for our libraries.
Q. Why did Apple decide to share all of its modifications with the BSD community?
A. Although the BSD licenses don't require companies to post their sources, divergent code bases are very hard to maintain. We believe that the open source model is the most effective form of development for certain types of software. By pooling our expertise with the open source development community, we expect to improve the quality, performance, and feature set of our software. In addition, we realize that many developers enjoy working with open source software, and we want to give them the opportunity to use that kind of environment while they're creating solutions for Apple customers.
Although many people think that the rather simple BSD license does little to protect the openness of the code, it has contributed significantly to Apple's ability to adapt the code for the benefit of Mac users. Its emphasis on sharing code has also heightened our own commitment to the open development process.
If Mac OSX is based on the free version of Berkeley BSD or some such, and I can put Free BSD or Net BSD or whatever it is on my Intel based IBM clone homebuilt, then why can't I put OSX on my IBM clone, even if I go out and actually purchase a nice box with pretty graphics at the local CompUSA?
You can't install OS X, but you can install Darwin, which is the Open Source core underlying Mac OS X, sans Aqua.
The whole Mac line seems to have a lot of pastel colors to it. Is it really a coincidence that EVERY time I pick my wife up from any hair salon, they all have their translucent iMacs up front? Pink isn't the only way to make something girly. And silver, gray and white are usually the colors seen on the Bride's side of a wedding.
Since when is white a pastel color? Silver, gray and white are also the colors of an aircraft carrier. So your point is? You don't have a valid point, that's the problem. It's all just your opinion. That's the extent of Apple's colors these days. The reason they have iMacs at the salon is because they are stylish looking computers, so as long as they are going to have a visible computer, make it something that looks good.
I used to work in PC sales, and the fact is that women purchase PCs much more based on how they look. Hewlett Packard sells a TON of PCs and overpriced monitors to match them because their PCs aren't an eyesore in the living room. The color scheme is subdued, front drives and ports are covered, and some even have CD storage built into the top so you don't have media laying around.
And that's exactly why Apple made the original iMac in colors. My sister-in-law bought a green rev B iMac because it matched her art room.
Eventually Apple moved away from the colors to a nice clean white motif.
Most EVERYONE wears black.
Depends on where you live.
I would never buy a DVD player that had the same design sytle as the new iMac. The last thing I want while watching a movie is for the player to be vying for my attention.
That's you. Not everyone else. Actually with the iMac you mostly see the monitor, since it's floating out in front. The base more or less fades into the desk.
Try FalconNorthWest, Voodoo, or Alienware for some cool looking PCs. A PC should either look damn cool, or try to draw as little attention to itself as possible.
"Damn cool" is a matter of option. And looking "damn cool" while drawing as little attention to its self is kind of an oxymoron. Plus it's also just your opinion that it should be one way or another.
Your ugly iMac may seem hip yesterday, but it's going to be an eyesore soon when even your grandmother with dementia knows it's an ancient machine.
I have a G4 tower. I'm not even a big fan of the new iMac, I think the Cube was a lot better looking. Either way I think they are fairly interesting designs and should hold up pretty well. At least Apple is doing something different. A lot of people love the new iMac. To each his own.
I suppose you drive a pink Cadillac? Eh, Mr. In-Touch-With-His-feminine-Side?
Nope, I drive a black BMW.
Unlike a car, the case of a PC is just a shell. Nobody is going to walk by and go 'Hey, that 6050Z is one sweet-ass machine! Can I try it out?'
According to who? People do that all the time. You even said your self that people buy PC's based on how they look.
The appearance of your PC either needs to fit your personality, or fit into the background.
Their new hemisphere-with-a-monitor-sticking-out computer looks dumb, not cool.
So buy a tower. Some people like the new iMac.
And the color schemes they use are girly.
I haven't noticed any pink Macs lately. Is Silver, gray and white "girlie"?
What's a "manly" PC color? Black? Most of the girls I know wear a lot of black.
Does Steve Jobs really have a penis?
He has kids, so I guess he does. Why should we care? Since when does someone's computer have anything to do with their gender? A bit insecure, aren't we? I guess this is like guys with small dicks driving big trucks?
The reality is that there's a perception that the Porsche or Jaguar is a better car, for whatever reason, just as some people have a perception that the Mac is a better computer, for whatever reason.
Because they are expensive. People perceive expensive things as better. And many times they are, or at least different enough to warrant the higher price. You have to admit, Jags are beautiful cars, even if they are not "better" than a Camry. And not everyone has one, so we get into the exclusivity of owning one.
Some people buy expensive things just because they are expensive, not because they are better -- like jewelry. Much of it is quite ugly -- let's see how many diamonds we can squeeze on this ugly heart shaped piece of gold -- but it's expensive, and people like showing they have expensive things.
I cant use macosx because I am so used to the way my windowmanager controls windows. In macosx I really cant customize anything. For example, I like to be able to shade and unshade windows using my mouse wheel on the top bar of the window. This makes it so I dont have to minimize the window.
Apple got rid of shading the window in macosx but you can get a plugin that will allow you to get the feature back. But the plugin still wont allow you to shade and unshade using the mouse wheel.
So double clicking a window's title bar is too hard? I use WindowshadeX, I have it set so a double click shades the window, just as in OS 9, and the minimize button still minimizes. Are you using the mouse wheel as a button? You can do this with the software that came with the mouse. I have an MS Itellimouse Optical, and use USB Overdrive. If I wanted to I could program the wheel to do this. I have it set so when I click on the mouse wheel it opens a link in a new tab in Mozilla.
Another thing I like to do is to move and resize windows using Alt+mouse button1 and mouse button 2. This is a must have feature for me, it makes navigating the gui alot easier on me.
Once again, that's easier than dragging the window by the title bar? I can move and resize a window with one hand.
You can do a lot of customizing in OS X, you just don't seem familiar with what's available.
You were correct right until you made that statement. Like it or not, legal or not, the IBM PC architecture is open.
It might be an open PC architecture, BUT it's not an "IBM" open PC architecture, since they neither developed it as such, or endorsed it. Remember the PS/2?
Now it's more of an Intel open architecture, and even then only if your parts are compatible.
As far as DOS, no. You have your facts wrong. IBM paid MS to write it a DOS to run on the new IBM PC. MS didn't trick Seattle Computer, they actually bought them outright. Who they tricked was IBM. But IBM commissioned MS to write DOS, and it was named IBM-DOS. MS asked to be allowed to sell a version of DOS under the name MS-DOS, and IBM agreed thinking MS was foolish, because only IBM could sell the IBM PC on which DOS ran. But MS already knew about plans to clone the IBM PC and was waiting with MS-DOS to license to them.
It on ibm's Open PC Architecture (and has been since the 80s)
IBM never allowed people to make IBM compatible PCs, this all started with Compaq reverse engineering IBM's BIOS, which was patented at the time, and Microsoft tricking IBM into letting them license IBM-DOS as MS-DOS.
IBM fought this vigorously in court at the time. Therefore there is no "IBM Open PC Architecture."
I agree, and the wierd thing is, when I went into Software Update to have it check for these updates, it was off on both of the computers I just updated to 10.2
I was trying to check earlier today, but the servers were down.
I forgot all about that name!:) I used to use the Appearance extension from Tempo with System 7.6 to get the Copland look, and sticky menus. There was a copy floating around that I hacked that had the trash in the can in color.
Small Dog [smalldog.com] Shrinking selection, great quality, excellent service, annoying interface. Bottom line, these are the guys to turn to for premium service, support, and savvy. Been around quite a while and, hey, they enclose coupons for Ben and Jerry's.
And they give you little plastic dogs!
Smalldog is excellent, I bought my G4 from them, (it was a refurb) and a bunch of other stuff over the years.
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People buy Macs for the OS, not so much the hardware.
But it is nice hardware.
As far as how many people buy Macs -- most of the media content creation industries, such as publishing and pro audio recording studios, run almost entirely on Macs. Big in TV editing too.
From the Darwin FAQ
You can't install OS X, but you can install Darwin, which is the Open Source core underlying Mac OS X, sans Aqua.
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/
And you can get the x86 version here:
http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/
It really shows part of your netword address, like this:
I caught that after I hit submit... :-/
And also you only have to install the applications once.
I've worked at a few places that did this, and also some that used FoolProof... God I hate that program!
It's getting hard to keep track!
The Mini Coopers look pretty cool. :)
And let's see, who owns Volvo now? Is it Ford?
Since when is white a pastel color? Silver, gray and white are also the colors of an aircraft carrier. So your point is? You don't have a valid point, that's the problem. It's all just your opinion. That's the extent of Apple's colors these days. The reason they have iMacs at the salon is because they are stylish looking computers, so as long as they are going to have a visible computer, make it something that looks good.
I used to work in PC sales, and the fact is that women purchase PCs much more based on how they look. Hewlett Packard sells a TON of PCs and overpriced monitors to match them because their PCs aren't an eyesore in the living room. The color scheme is subdued, front drives and ports are covered, and some even have CD storage built into the top so you don't have media laying around.
And that's exactly why Apple made the original iMac in colors. My sister-in-law bought a green rev B iMac because it matched her art room.
Eventually Apple moved away from the colors to a nice clean white motif.
Most EVERYONE wears black.
Depends on where you live.
I would never buy a DVD player that had the same design sytle as the new iMac. The last thing I want while watching a movie is for the player to be vying for my attention.
That's you. Not everyone else. Actually with the iMac you mostly see the monitor, since it's floating out in front. The base more or less fades into the desk.
Try FalconNorthWest, Voodoo, or Alienware for some cool looking PCs. A PC should either look damn cool, or try to draw as little attention to itself as possible.
"Damn cool" is a matter of option. And looking "damn cool" while drawing as little attention to its self is kind of an oxymoron. Plus it's also just your opinion that it should be one way or another.
Your ugly iMac may seem hip yesterday, but it's going to be an eyesore soon when even your grandmother with dementia knows it's an ancient machine.
I have a G4 tower. I'm not even a big fan of the new iMac, I think the Cube was a lot better looking. Either way I think they are fairly interesting designs and should hold up pretty well. At least Apple is doing something different. A lot of people love the new iMac. To each his own.
I suppose you drive a pink Cadillac? Eh, Mr. In-Touch-With-His-feminine-Side?
Nope, I drive a black BMW.
Unlike a car, the case of a PC is just a shell. Nobody is going to walk by and go 'Hey, that 6050Z is one sweet-ass machine! Can I try it out?'
According to who? People do that all the time. You even said your self that people buy PC's based on how they look.
The appearance of your PC either needs to fit your personality, or fit into the background.
Once again, this is just your opinion.
Not true at all. How many Mac users do you know?
So buy a tower. Some people like the new iMac.
And the color schemes they use are girly.
I haven't noticed any pink Macs lately. Is Silver, gray and white "girlie"?
What's a "manly" PC color? Black? Most of the girls I know wear a lot of black.
Does Steve Jobs really have a penis?
He has kids, so I guess he does. Why should we care? Since when does someone's computer have anything to do with their gender? A bit insecure, aren't we? I guess this is like guys with small dicks driving big trucks?
Because they are expensive. People perceive expensive things as better. And many times they are, or at least different enough to warrant the higher price. You have to admit, Jags are beautiful cars, even if they are not "better" than a Camry. And not everyone has one, so we get into the exclusivity of owning one.
Some people buy expensive things just because they are expensive, not because they are better -- like jewelry. Much of it is quite ugly -- let's see how many diamonds we can squeeze on this ugly heart shaped piece of gold -- but it's expensive, and people like showing they have expensive things.
While it's true that the new G4's don't have a DDR FSB, the FSB is 167MHz on all but the low-end tower, not 133.
Apple is supposedly working on a new system controller, named ApplePI.
You can open as many terminals as you like in OS X. Just put their windows where you want.
So double clicking a window's title bar is too hard? I use WindowshadeX, I have it set so a double click shades the window, just as in OS 9, and the minimize button still minimizes. Are you using the mouse wheel as a button? You can do this with the software that came with the mouse. I have an MS Itellimouse Optical, and use USB Overdrive. If I wanted to I could program the wheel to do this. I have it set so when I click on the mouse wheel it opens a link in a new tab in Mozilla.
Another thing I like to do is to move and resize windows using Alt+mouse button1 and mouse button 2. This is a must have feature for me, it makes navigating the gui alot easier on me.
Once again, that's easier than dragging the window by the title bar? I can move and resize a window with one hand.
You can do a lot of customizing in OS X, you just don't seem familiar with what's available.
I believe Jaguar updates prebindings automatically now at boot time.
When I was running an old version of Classic Spy, OS X would write a log saying it couldn't update prebinding when I started up.
It might be an open PC architecture, BUT it's not an "IBM" open PC architecture, since they neither developed it as such, or endorsed it. Remember the PS/2?
Now it's more of an Intel open architecture, and even then only if your parts are compatible.
As far as DOS, no. You have your facts wrong. IBM paid MS to write it a DOS to run on the new IBM PC. MS didn't trick Seattle Computer, they actually bought them outright. Who they tricked was IBM. But IBM commissioned MS to write DOS, and it was named IBM-DOS. MS asked to be allowed to sell a version of DOS under the name MS-DOS, and IBM agreed thinking MS was foolish, because only IBM could sell the IBM PC on which DOS ran. But MS already knew about plans to clone the IBM PC and was waiting with MS-DOS to license to them.
IBM never allowed people to make IBM compatible PCs, this all started with Compaq reverse engineering IBM's BIOS, which was patented at the time, and Microsoft tricking IBM into letting them license IBM-DOS as MS-DOS.
IBM fought this vigorously in court at the time. Therefore there is no "IBM Open PC Architecture."
Her name is Jennifer 8. Lee.
Good choice for someone writing about nu usage of words!
I still can't figure out what her middle name could be... eight???
I never got to see one of those dammit!
I did have a total lockup earlier after installing the new iTunes, but before the 10.2.1 update.
The system seems perkier now.
I was trying to check earlier today, but the servers were down.
I forgot all about that name! :) I used to use the Appearance extension from Tempo with System 7.6 to get the Copland look, and sticky menus. There was a copy floating around that I hacked that had the trash in the can in color.
And they give you little plastic dogs!
Smalldog is excellent, I bought my G4 from them, (it was a refurb) and a bunch of other stuff over the years.
Ha ha ha!
It's an Apple Airport base station mounted on a pole.