*A* Mac? I own a couple! =] Only own one PC, though.
Okay, okay. I own 12!:P If I tell everyone how cute you are am I forgiven?;)
Windows has bugs that don't interfere with the work you're trying to get done. OS X has bugs that do interfere. Personally, I want to get my damned work done.
So I guess when I'm doing work in Windows, and it throws up some arcane error and tells me press any key to continue and then complains Windows Explorer committed a crime against humanity, and I just lost my work (all without dear sweet Ellen Feiss beeping at me) that's not a bug???
(Throws up hands!!!)
:P
I worked on OS 9 and loved it. =]
Except when it was crashing like a monkey on crack, right? OS X will get there. OS 9 evolved over time too. I'm sure Apple has plans to add all the missing features, but they also want to get the OS stable and faster.
They've been doing a bunch of work in Core Audio, and have one of the best foundations in an OS for doing audio and midi there is!
Popup Windows would be swell, but we went for years without them anyway. In the mean time I'll use a few shareware add-ons until Apple finishes the missing features. This is how many parts of Mac OS came about anyway. The menubar clock was a shareware app called SuperClock. The Apple Menu Options was shareware. The list goes on...
Loved Entourage on OS 9, moved over to Windows--HATED Outlook. Moved back to OS X temporarily, upgraded to Office X, and promptly uninstalled it and got a refund. Atrocious. IMAP did not work correctly--it did not allow folders to be dragged from the mailbox into the IMAP folder, etc. Office XP is MUCH more functional than Office v.X.
Yeah, but you are talking about email. I didn't like Outlook Express either, but I was using Eudora back then. Then I tried and liked Entourage, so I used that until I switched to OS X. Now I use Mail.app for mail. I think when most people think of MS Office, they think of Word, Excel and PowerPoint however. The Mac doesn't even have a real version of Outlook.
I tried Entourage in OS X, had it do some dumb things, and switched back to Mail.
About the only part of Office I use is Word, but a lot of the time I'll use AppleWorks because it's faster and after a while Word gives me a headache! I HATE all those buttons!
I think MS pulled the ad because they were stretching the truth. Not that they don't do that every day, but this time is was a bit obvious! They implied two of their own products didn't exist! Maybe they will give Office away for free now...
As far as what they copied from OS X? The X in the name. OS X = OS 10. Win XP = ??? (XPerience? I think not!)
I've said this before, but I'm sure when OS X came out and started getting rave reviews, MS got nervous, and since OS X was out first wanted to add a little subterfuge.
Scenario: Clueless provincial man walks into CompUSA. "I want me that newfangled X thang I read about in the paper!" The pimply faced sales geek says "Oh course! You want Microsoft Windows XP!" and leads him to a cheap store brand PC. Not wanting to look like the bumpkin he is, said clueless man buys the PC.
Even the name "Luna" sounds like "Aqua," but makes no sense. And the whole general shiny blue rounded corner plastic look of the GUI, except of course MS has no taste! I know how much you hate Luna of course.:)
They even copied a few of the desktop backgrounds.
I'll admit that I haven't used XP yet, but I don't hate W2K all that much either.
*laughs* Yeek. Please call me a guy before you call me a MS Shill. =]
He he he he! I'm going to vouch for Sara here, she does like XP but she's not a guy!
She even owns a Mac.
Sara, MS is also selling an OS that has more bugs than you can shake a stick at! OS X might be young (and it's not if you consider NeXTStep was around a lot longer than Windows NT/XP), but I know where its issues are, and I have more than enough fingers to count them.:)
I'm not saying that MS products are better than Apple products--just that the advertising is MUCH more intelligent.
I'll agree the Apple ads are kind of dumb, they have no substance, but look at what MS had up:
More Software Flexibility
AppleWorks (previously called ClarisWorks) pales in comparison to Microsoft Office XP. There's no equivalent for the versatility of Microsoft Word, Excel, and PowerPoint®. Toolbars and menus customize themselves to the way I work. I wouldn't know how to function without the Track Changes and Comments features of Word. I adore the Office Clipboard, which copies multiple elements from one file and pastes them into another.
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 does more for me than Netscape Navigator ever did, and I am a surfing addict. Searches are faster; the History feature makes it easier to find that site from last week; and I can name and organize my Favorites any way I want.
They didn't mention that both MS Office and Internet Explorer are available for the Mac, and in fact IE is the only browser that comes preinstalled. Also almost every review of Office v.X said it was better than the Windows version. Same is true of IE for Mac.
I wont even get into that Mozilla is every bit as fast as IE.;)
This "switch ad" was just bogus. I guess that's why they pulled it! I'd wager someone at MS wrote the story and the photo of the woman was is just a stock photo. This is the kind of thing they pulled sending letters to newspapers and congressmen!
She also wrote:
" I am a freelance writer; I demand the best in mobile computing."
Can't get much better than a PowerBook G4 if you ask me! Besides the fact that most best selling writers use Apple laptops.
MS ads are not more intelligent, they are less fluffy, but also less factual.
And Sara, we know OS X is better than XP! It does show more copying on MS' part... got to get that X in the name!:P
Since I'm not going to pay $130 for a point upgrade to OS X that was announced a couple of months after I bought 10.1, it looks like I don't get a Cubase upgrade for another year or so.
The reason Cubase needs 10.2 is because Core Audio was not finished when 10.1 was released.
So you might as well get Jaguar now, which runs great BTW. The next upgrade (10.2.5?) should be free.
Also, 10.2 is not a "point" upgrade, you are basing this on your own idea of how Apple should name OS releases, and not their idea. When the seond number changes, it's a major update. 10.2.1 is a point release, as will be the next few updates.
I did some of my best audio editing with 5 - 10 instances of Sound Recorder open while copying/pasting/recording over and over until I got the results I wanted. This kept the entire process mental instead of getting lost in mulit-track timelines.
That's fine if you just want to mix some audio tracks together. Cubase is not meant to be an audio editor. But for complex songs that wouldn't work well.
I use Cubase VST/32. I use VST instruments for drum tracks, and keys, record all the guitar and bass tracks, usually as segments, sort of like working with a drum machine.
This makes arraigning the song quite easy! Also Cubase has all kinds of effect plug-ins, etc.,
I still use an external editor most of the time (either PeakDV or SparkME when in OS X) for loops and stuff.
I've been waiting for this upgrade, it will be nice to not have to boot into OS 9.2 to work on music.:)
After paying $15+ per CD and spending over $6000 on CDs in the last decade and a half you think I'm particularly concerned if I now get some "free" music? Free? Believe me, I've ALREADY paid for it.
You only paid for what you bought. I bought a Volvo once, so I shouldn't have to pay for a new one, right?
I buy a pizza from the place down the street every Friday, so since I paid $X over the years I should get free pizza now, right?
Your logic is flawed.
I don't know anyone who pays for music anymore, period.
And that's why we are having the DRM issues now. It's the same mentality that people use to justify shoplifting; it's a big store, and they can afford it. Sure the record industry is big, but it's the performers that get hurt by stealing music.
In any case, the only proof we have that pay-to-download services are rising in popularlity is that they say so. I don't know anyone who has even tried them, let alone whipped out their credit card instead of powering up BearShare...
Some people like to buy stuff online. I buy CDs that way all the time. It's convenient. I would probably buy a single songs online too. You just know a lot of cheapskates! Everyone I know actually buys CDs, even though they also download music.
Really? I never knew that... I thought I just wanted to listen, and was willing to pay if that's the only way I could listen... I thought the record companies wanted me to pay. Or have the laws of economics been changed again?
If you just want to listen, turn on the radio. If you want to own the music you need to pay for it. If we want free music, as in the radio, we will be forced to listen to commercials on CDs!
The same holds true for books. You either buy it, borrow it, or go to the library. Downloading ebooks and whole CD's worth of music is the same as walking into a store and shoplifing it.
If you like a particular artist, and want to see them survive to make more music for you to listen to, you need to help them get paid, because Lord knows it's hard enough for musicians having to work in the system. As a musician my self I'd rather have my music online for sale, than to go through the big record companies, but they are the only way to make any real money.
People know downloaing software is illegal, but don't seem to think downloading music is?
I don't doubt Mac OS X performs better with HFS+. The questions are: 1) Why? and 2) Is this because HFS+ is better than UFS, or because the Mac OS X implementation of UFS is suboptimal?
I'd think OS X works better with HFS+ because it's optimized to work with HFS+
I've read that HFS+ is more "modern" than UFS (aka BSD Fast File System), which was more important when hard drives were small and slow.
Certain parts of OS X wont run on UFS (such as some Carbon apps), and except for case sensitivity, I'm not sure why one would need to use UFS over HFS+ on an OS X system.
Soooooooooo...... what's with HFS+? How much of a performance hit, if any, do we take in using it instead of UFS? What would we see if we benchmarked the two of them in an "average" server?
You can format your drives to UFS for use with OS X if you want. But OS X performs much better with HFS+ than UFS.
I'm an artist and I've tweaked my Mac (mmmm!) for a decade. Not all the time, but for an hour or so now and then (oooooh!)
For example, it was easy to install Kaleidoscope, and look at some far out windows.
I'm an artist and a musician, and I like to tweak my Mac too. Even in Jag-wire I changed some of the icons for something more aesthetically pleasing.
I used to use Kaleidoscope, and in fact used to make my own themes, several of which were on their web site, and I think one was included on a CD once a while back.:)
Most of the cool Kaleidoscope themes hurt my eyes after a while.
He said damn cool OR draw little attention, not both.
Yes I'm aware of that, and I replied:
Plus it's also just your opinion that it should be one way or another.
Goes with his remark about not wanting to watch a DVD of a player that was vying for his attention. I think most people look at the screen, not the player, unless they have ADD, and the same goes for how your computer looks.
It's a computer, and it either looks like "a computer" or it doesn't. But it's still a computer. It doesn't effect how it works. Also it doesn't have to either blend in or stand out anymore than your sofa or TV. But if you like the way it looks that's good too.
And the transparent speakers are really cool too. Of course, I finally figured out that I could run my audio into my stereo and JBL Control Monitors and blow any silly "computer speakers" away. I'm beginning to think that computers exist in a whole different inertial frame from normal reality.
I don't care for the sound of the Apple (Harmon/Kardon) speakers. I bought a set of Monsoon MM-702's. But I use my G4 as my home recording studio, so I needed better speakers.
And yes, I realize that most high end audio/video/publishing stuff is done with Apples, though I think that's changing.
Not in the NYC area. I work in the publishing field. It's still mostly Macs.
But as an individual user who's not doing multimedia professionally and just likes to do some digital photography and editing now and then and maybe play with some graphics in Corel Draw, I just don't have the bucks for a fancy Apple system.
But that's the area where Macs shine. With the whole iPhoto-iMovie thing. My PC using friend love the way they can bring their camera over and plug it into my Mac and ImageCapture opens and lets us download the photos. Two of them cant get Windows to see the camera, so I copy the images onto a CD for them.
Not that I couldn't afford it. I just dropped close to $3000 building my own system. I just don't see the bang for the buck with Apple. I think you're paying for the flash more than the substance.
Gee I dunno. I got a pretty good bang for a lot less than you spent, about $1700. And OS X.
I call bullshit.
You are saying Windows installs never work, ever?
This wasn't my post but I'll comment anyway. My experience with using both Macs and Windows has shown that Windows installs fail more than Mac installs. I just installed Quark5 and Photoshop 6 on a PC and had to do Photoshop twice, and then when trying to update Quark, it wouldn't run, so I had to do the install over again.
Except for some recent Adobe upgrades in OS X, this just doesn't happen on Macs.
Gee, I wonder how all those Windows users are typing up emails and writing documents in Word if their installations all failed and nothing ever works?
A lot of PC users us whatever was installed when they bought the computer. And it works fine. It's when they start installing more stuff that they run into problems. You have to realize a lot of PC users can't fix things when they go awry. Macs have always been easier to trouble shoot, but OS X is changing that for many.
Windows has yet to have drag and drop installs.
Of course people that are running Linux or some other Unix are more savvy than your typical Windows user.
On PCs, you do also have Alt, Control, and Shift, and even Meta and Hyper if you use some *nix and map the Windows and Menu keys. Now, combine those with the 6 buttons on my mouse (Left, Right, Middle, Scroll Up/Down, Thumb), that's up to, let's see,...
Macs also have Control, Option (alt), Shift, and the Command key (which is like the Control key on a PC).
You can use any of those as modifiers while mousing. For example, Option-drag copies a file, while Cmd-Option-drag makes an alias (short cut). You can use any USB multibutton pointing device you like.
I use an MS Itellimouse Optical mouse, and USB Overdrive mouse software (which is what the MS Itellipoint is based on). The software allows me to program button functions that can change depending on what application I'm using, so the mouse wheel is a middle button in Maya, and opens a link in a new tab in Mozilla, for instance.
Even without the software, OS X supports right clicks and the scroll wheel.
Also on the desktop Macs you have three extra F keys, which come in handy in programs like Quark, but are missing in the Windows version.
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So I guess when I'm doing work in Windows, and it throws up some arcane error and tells me press any key to continue and then complains Windows Explorer committed a crime against humanity, and I just lost my work (all without dear sweet Ellen Feiss beeping at me) that's not a bug???
(Throws up hands!!!)
:P
Except when it was crashing like a monkey on crack, right? OS X will get there. OS 9 evolved over time too. I'm sure Apple has plans to add all the missing features, but they also want to get the OS stable and faster.
They've been doing a bunch of work in Core Audio, and have one of the best foundations in an OS for doing audio and midi there is!
Popup Windows would be swell, but we went for years without them anyway. In the mean time I'll use a few shareware add-ons until Apple finishes the missing features. This is how many parts of Mac OS came about anyway. The menubar clock was a shareware app called SuperClock. The Apple Menu Options was shareware. The list goes on...
I like you too.. now give us a kiss! :*
Yeah, but you are talking about email. I didn't like Outlook Express either, but I was using Eudora back then. Then I tried and liked Entourage, so I used that until I switched to OS X. Now I use Mail.app for mail. I think when most people think of MS Office, they think of Word, Excel and PowerPoint however. The Mac doesn't even have a real version of Outlook.
I tried Entourage in OS X, had it do some dumb things, and switched back to Mail.
About the only part of Office I use is Word, but a lot of the time I'll use AppleWorks because it's faster and after a while Word gives me a headache! I HATE all those buttons!
I think MS pulled the ad because they were stretching the truth. Not that they don't do that every day, but this time is was a bit obvious! They implied two of their own products didn't exist! Maybe they will give Office away for free now...
As far as what they copied from OS X? The X in the name. OS X = OS 10. Win XP = ??? (XPerience? I think not!)
I've said this before, but I'm sure when OS X came out and started getting rave reviews, MS got nervous, and since OS X was out first wanted to add a little subterfuge.
Scenario: Clueless provincial man walks into CompUSA. "I want me that newfangled X thang I read about in the paper!" The pimply faced sales geek says "Oh course! You want Microsoft Windows XP!" and leads him to a cheap store brand PC. Not wanting to look like the bumpkin he is, said clueless man buys the PC.
Even the name "Luna" sounds like "Aqua," but makes no sense. And the whole general shiny blue rounded corner plastic look of the GUI, except of course MS has no taste! I know how much you hate Luna of course. :)
They even copied a few of the desktop backgrounds.
I'll admit that I haven't used XP yet, but I don't hate W2K all that much either.
Ha! Did you see the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley when Steve Jobs confronts Bill Gates with the fact that Gates ripped off the Mac?
I'm sure in real life Jobs can yell a LOT louder then Gates!
Let's put them on that celebrity boxing show!
My money is on Jobs!
He he he he! I'm going to vouch for Sara here, she does like XP but she's not a guy!
She even owns a Mac.
Sara, MS is also selling an OS that has more bugs than you can shake a stick at! OS X might be young (and it's not if you consider NeXTStep was around a lot longer than Windows NT/XP), but I know where its issues are, and I have more than enough fingers to count them. :)
I'll agree the Apple ads are kind of dumb, they have no substance, but look at what MS had up:
They didn't mention that both MS Office and Internet Explorer are available for the Mac, and in fact IE is the only browser that comes preinstalled. Also almost every review of Office v.X said it was better than the Windows version. Same is true of IE for Mac.
I wont even get into that Mozilla is every bit as fast as IE. ;)
This "switch ad" was just bogus. I guess that's why they pulled it! I'd wager someone at MS wrote the story and the photo of the woman was is just a stock photo. This is the kind of thing they pulled sending letters to newspapers and congressmen!
She also wrote:
Can't get much better than a PowerBook G4 if you ask me! Besides the fact that most best selling writers use Apple laptops.
MS ads are not more intelligent, they are less fluffy, but also less factual.
And Sara, we know OS X is better than XP! It does show more copying on MS' part... got to get that X in the name! :P
The reason Cubase needs 10.2 is because Core Audio was not finished when 10.1 was released.
So you might as well get Jaguar now, which runs great BTW. The next upgrade (10.2.5?) should be free.
Also, 10.2 is not a "point" upgrade, you are basing this on your own idea of how Apple should name OS releases, and not their idea. When the seond number changes, it's a major update. 10.2.1 is a point release, as will be the next few updates.
That's fine if you just want to mix some audio tracks together. Cubase is not meant to be an audio editor. But for complex songs that wouldn't work well.
I use Cubase VST/32. I use VST instruments for drum tracks, and keys, record all the guitar and bass tracks, usually as segments, sort of like working with a drum machine.
This makes arraigning the song quite easy! Also Cubase has all kinds of effect plug-ins, etc.,
I still use an external editor most of the time (either PeakDV or SparkME when in OS X) for loops and stuff.
I've been waiting for this upgrade, it will be nice to not have to boot into OS 9.2 to work on music. :)
Hey, Apple is always cool! ;)
You only paid for what you bought. I bought a Volvo once, so I shouldn't have to pay for a new one, right?
I buy a pizza from the place down the street every Friday, so since I paid $X over the years I should get free pizza now, right?
Your logic is flawed.
And that's why we are having the DRM issues now. It's the same mentality that people use to justify shoplifting; it's a big store, and they can afford it. Sure the record industry is big, but it's the performers that get hurt by stealing music.
Some people like to buy stuff online. I buy CDs that way all the time. It's convenient. I would probably buy a single songs online too. You just know a lot of cheapskates! Everyone I know actually buys CDs, even though they also download music.
So by this thinking so are record and book stores? And we shouldn't have to pay to see movies either, right?
You are trying to justify your actions.
Yes I sometimes download music, but if I like the cuts I hear I buy the CD.
If you like an artist support them!
What if one day your boss told you he doesn't want to pay a "tax on stupid bosses" so you have to work for free?
If you just want to listen, turn on the radio. If you want to own the music you need to pay for it. If we want free music, as in the radio, we will be forced to listen to commercials on CDs!
The same holds true for books. You either buy it, borrow it, or go to the library. Downloading ebooks and whole CD's worth of music is the same as walking into a store and shoplifing it.
If you like a particular artist, and want to see them survive to make more music for you to listen to, you need to help them get paid, because Lord knows it's hard enough for musicians having to work in the system. As a musician my self I'd rather have my music online for sale, than to go through the big record companies, but they are the only way to make any real money.
People know downloaing software is illegal, but don't seem to think downloading music is?
There are a bunch of OS X native VST plugins available already. And free too!
MDA has about 30 plugs out in carbon versions, including a virtual synth. They also have a beta AudioUnits plug.
Also Cubase SX will be out October 10.
Check out osxAudio.com for more.
What if they steal the backups? ;)
I'd think OS X works better with HFS+ because it's optimized to work with HFS+
I've read that HFS+ is more "modern" than UFS (aka BSD Fast File System), which was more important when hard drives were small and slow.
Certain parts of OS X wont run on UFS (such as some Carbon apps), and except for case sensitivity, I'm not sure why one would need to use UFS over HFS+ on an OS X system.
You can format your drives to UFS for use with OS X if you want. But OS X performs much better with HFS+ than UFS.
HFS has been around a long time too.
Geeze, I guess you don't know what the word sarcasm means?
I use a Mac too bonehead, and I have a 5 button mouse. I do like the ProMouse though.
Now you go away....
(reality distortion field cost extra)
I'm an artist and a musician, and I like to tweak my Mac too. Even in Jag-wire I changed some of the icons for something more aesthetically pleasing.
I used to use Kaleidoscope, and in fact used to make my own themes, several of which were on their web site, and I think one was included on a CD once a while back. :)
Most of the cool Kaleidoscope themes hurt my eyes after a while.
Tried taking a screen shot lately?
Does a book about Photoshop (or insert your favorite software here) come with Photoshop?
Of course not.
Maybe some Linux books do, but this isn't Linux.
Yes I'm aware of that, and I replied:
Goes with his remark about not wanting to watch a DVD of a player that was vying for his attention. I think most people look at the screen, not the player, unless they have ADD, and the same goes for how your computer looks.
It's a computer, and it either looks like "a computer" or it doesn't. But it's still a computer. It doesn't effect how it works. Also it doesn't have to either blend in or stand out anymore than your sofa or TV. But if you like the way it looks that's good too.
I don't care for the sound of the Apple (Harmon/Kardon) speakers. I bought a set of Monsoon MM-702's. But I use my G4 as my home recording studio, so I needed better speakers.
And yes, I realize that most high end audio/video/publishing stuff is done with Apples, though I think that's changing.
Not in the NYC area. I work in the publishing field. It's still mostly Macs.
But as an individual user who's not doing multimedia professionally and just likes to do some digital photography and editing now and then and maybe play with some graphics in Corel Draw, I just don't have the bucks for a fancy Apple system.
But that's the area where Macs shine. With the whole iPhoto-iMovie thing. My PC using friend love the way they can bring their camera over and plug it into my Mac and ImageCapture opens and lets us download the photos. Two of them cant get Windows to see the camera, so I copy the images onto a CD for them.
Not that I couldn't afford it. I just dropped close to $3000 building my own system. I just don't see the bang for the buck with Apple. I think you're paying for the flash more than the substance.
Gee I dunno. I got a pretty good bang for a lot less than you spent, about $1700. And OS X.
This wasn't my post but I'll comment anyway. My experience with using both Macs and Windows has shown that Windows installs fail more than Mac installs. I just installed Quark5 and Photoshop 6 on a PC and had to do Photoshop twice, and then when trying to update Quark, it wouldn't run, so I had to do the install over again.
Except for some recent Adobe upgrades in OS X, this just doesn't happen on Macs.
Gee, I wonder how all those Windows users are typing up emails and writing documents in Word if their installations all failed and nothing ever works?
A lot of PC users us whatever was installed when they bought the computer. And it works fine. It's when they start installing more stuff that they run into problems. You have to realize a lot of PC users can't fix things when they go awry. Macs have always been easier to trouble shoot, but OS X is changing that for many.
Windows has yet to have drag and drop installs.
Of course people that are running Linux or some other Unix are more savvy than your typical Windows user.
Macs also have Control, Option (alt), Shift, and the Command key (which is like the Control key on a PC).
You can use any of those as modifiers while mousing. For example, Option-drag copies a file, while Cmd-Option-drag makes an alias (short cut). You can use any USB multibutton pointing device you like.
I use an MS Itellimouse Optical mouse, and USB Overdrive mouse software (which is what the MS Itellipoint is based on). The software allows me to program button functions that can change depending on what application I'm using, so the mouse wheel is a middle button in Maya, and opens a link in a new tab in Mozilla, for instance.
Even without the software, OS X supports right clicks and the scroll wheel.
Also on the desktop Macs you have three extra F keys, which come in handy in programs like Quark, but are missing in the Windows version.