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Mac OS X 10.2.1 Released

benh57 writes "Via Software Update: 'The 10.2.1 Update delivers enhancements and improvements to the following applications, technologies and components: Mail, Image Capture, Help Viewer, graphics, printing, networking, Rendezvous, Kerberos, USB, FireWire, SCSI device compatibility and includes additional Digital Hub peripheral device support.' Full details available in the KB Article that was previously leaked (not yet back up, currently)." Also separately available via Software Update is iTunes 3.0.1.

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  1. Wow, this also means... by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 0

    ...that Apple is starting to use the OSS major.minor.teeny versioning system--looks like they really are making every effort to also appeal to hackers.

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    1. Re:Wow, this also means... by whee · · Score: 1

      They've been using that versioning scheme for quite a while. This is nothing new to OS X or 10.2.

    2. Re:Wow, this also means... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, Apple has been using the major.minor.teeny versioning system for a while.

      Check out this article on system 7.5.5 .

      http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=6 07 17

      I worked in ISP tech support during the System 7.x.x and Open Transport 1.x.x days. It was a nighmare explaining the versioning system to users... "No no no, 7.1.1 is not '7.11'. 7.1.1 is an OLDER version then 7.5.

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    3. Re:Wow, this also means... by fault0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I beleive it originated in MacOS 6.x. There was never a MacOS 6.1, but there were MacOS 6.0.1, 6.0.2, 6.0.3, 6.0.5, and 6.0.8, as far as I can remember.

      It was probably the most used in the 7.1 series tho. As far as I can remember, there was 7.0.0-7.0.1, 7.1.0-7.1.2, 7.5.0-7.5.5, and 7.6.0-7.6.1.

      So yeah, it has nothing to do with free/open software. In fact, my Macintosh IIci, bought in 1989 for $5000 (!), came with 6.0.3.

    4. Re:Wow, this also means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the clarification guys. Haven't been around long macs long enough. :)

    5. Re:Wow, this also means... by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Wasn't there a System 5.0.2 or something like that? I can't find reference to it on the web. I definitely remember the 6.0.x releases, though. That was some good stuff. Mmmm... Multifinder.

    6. Re:Wow, this also means... by Lars+T. · · Score: 2

      1989 - that would be about 2 years before Linux version 0.01.

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    7. Re:Wow, this also means... by torgosan · · Score: 2

      For more detail than you likely wanted, here's an archive site for MacOS: http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html

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    8. Re:Wow, this also means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Mac with system 6.0.8 that still runs! Quality workmanship! That's right folks! Nothing beats a Mac.

      Unfortunately, hardware updates since November 1990 have forced me to update... to WinDOH!s no less. Linux has become my new best friend.

      "Join me in the power of the dark side of the Force." - BillG, M$ convention somewhere I'm sure.

    9. Re:Wow, this also means... by phillyclaude · · Score: 1

      boy, i havent seen 7.5.5 mentioned recently. It still sends chills down my spine. You guys think 10.1 was bad? hoooo boy

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    10. Re:Wow, this also means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The 0.0.0 versioning is great. It's very easy to understand that the last number only refers to patches. In Windows, you'll see something like 10.1 build 3F42 or some such. Try explaining hexadecimal to a user when you're just trying to determine what version of an app they have. Also, if you're running 10.1.5, you know you've got 10.1 that's been patched multiple times ... that's a good solid system. Similarly, many people probably waited for 10.2.1 before installing 10.2 at all. It's easier than "10.2 Service Pack 1".

      iTunes 3.0.1 also came out today. It's very plain to an iTunes 3.0.0 user that updating to 3.0.1 won't add any new features, but will just fix a few bugs or improve performance.

  2. Since this is only an update... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Since this is only a minor update, vs. a full-blown 'upgrade', the patch will only cost $4.50.

    1. Re:Since this is only an update... by Louis_Wu · · Score: 5, Funny
      Since this is only a minor update, vs. a full-blown 'upgrade', the patch will only cost $4.50.

      Sometimes I want to moderate "+1 Funny -1 Troll = 0 Ironic", but I don't think that'll be added to Slash anytime soon.

  3. Readme for 10.2.1 Update by PaxTech · · Score: 5, Informative

    The readme still isn't available, but Mac OS Rumors has the KB article that was previously available :

    Enhancements Delivered with this update

    Disc Burning Enhancements

    * Improves compatibility of burned CDs with Microsoft Windows.
    * Addresses a situation that could result in a failure when burning a disc using iTunes 3 and a high burn speed.
    * Addresses an issue in which Disk Utility could inaccurately report "problems" when scanning a disc that was burned with iTunes or in the Finder.
    * Adds support for various third-party disc burners, including: TDK VeloCD 241032FP and 241040F, MCE Technologies Lucid-24 24x10x24x Portable FireWire CDRW Drive, LaCie PocketCDRW 24x10x24 U&I, EZQuest Boa CDR/w 48x12x48 FireWire, Formac cdrw 40x10x40 and cdrw 48x10x40.

    Digital Hub and Peripheral Device Enhancements

    * Decreases the amount of time Final Cut Pro takes to open, and improves iMovie compatibility when a Sony DVMC-DA1 media converter is connected to the computer.
    * Improves iMovie compatibility with Canopus ADVC-100 media converter. * Improves compatibility with certain (SCSI-based) scanners.
    * Improves compatibility of Image Capture with Epson DS (TWAIN).
    * Improves results when scanning in grayscale or black-and-white with Image Capture and Epson UI.
    * Enhances reliability when hot-swapping a FireWire-based camera on certain iMacs using Final Cut Pro.
    * Addresses a potential issue in which a USB keyboard or mouse is not recognized or able to wake the computer after having been connected to or disconnected from an external USB hub while the computer is in sleep.

    Networking and Mail Enhancements

    * Addresses a situation in which certain Internet service providers (ISPs) may not accept outgoing email (SMTP) from computers using NAT and a ".local" hostname (which may be assigned by Rendezvous).
    * Addresses a situation in which, if the connection fails when transferring email to your computer via your network or an Internet connection, all mail not transferred is lost.
    * Improves Mac OS X Server performance in heavy AFP client load situations.
    * Improves Mac OS X Server reliability when a Mac OS 9 client attempts a scheduled AFP connection.
    * Resolves a potential issue in which Mail could fail to import mail messages from Eudora as expected.

    Printing Enhancements

    * Addresses a potential situation in which Print Center would unexpectedly quit when using St. Claire Software's Default Folder X.
    * Improves compatibility with HP LaserJet 4V and HP LaserJet 4MV printers.
    * Reduces occurrences of a potential "busy; source EIO (ATALK)" alert message when printing using AppleTalk via CUPS.
    * Addresses an issue when printing via CUPS in which the second queued print job would automatically start if the first print job was stopped.
    * Addresses a potential "error -1" message in Print Center when adding a third-party USB printer.
    * Includes various other CUPS-related printing enhancements.

    Other Enhancements

    * Improves potential situations in which a Web page's graphics could take an unexpectedly long time to appear in a browser window.
    * Improves compatibility with Microsoft Entourage.
    * Reduces likelihood of a potential "ticking hard drive" symptom that could be caused by IOAudio errors regularly being written to the system.log file.
    * Addresses a potential issue in which Mac Help may not be available following an erase-installation.
    * Improves compatibility of the Universal Access Zoom feature with some iBook computers.
    * Addresses a potential situation in which no video may appear after waking certain iBook computers that are connected to an external display or presentation device.
    * Addresses a situation in which a Classic application may fail to produce sound after waking from sleep.
    * Addresses a potential situation in which AppleTalk may not be available in the Classic environment after waking from sleep.
    * Addresses various potential kernel panic situations.

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    1. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I installed that puppy right away, instead of after the required usual cautious waiting period, because I've been having such troubling difficulties with 10.2 (far fewer panics than 10.1.x, but a tendency for USB-connected outboard-DAC audio from iTunes to lose sync and get into a chronic stuttering mode, and uselessness of 39160-connected SCSI drives).

      I haven't had a chance yet to test for the previous difficulties, but a brand-new booboo emerged when I rebooted after the upgrade: a volume I have on an ACARD 6880M (a two-disk hardware mirror) is being mounted twice. It looks (on very preliminary investigation) as if maybe one volume being seen is the mirror, and the other is one of the underlying disks of the mirror; but maybe I'm seeing both underlying disks and not the mirror. Either way, it kind of bites, and I think I'm going to have to run explicitly on a single disk until this is resolved.

      Maybe it's my fault -- somewhere in there I loaded up the version 1.3 kext from ACARD in place of the (dated earlier, but numbered later) 1.4 version which came with Jagwire. Or maybe nobody ever tests mirroring, because all the kids want to do is stripe. Sigh.

    2. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by jweatherley · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow! Something from Mac OS Rumors that is genuinely informative :)

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    3. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by iMacGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      * Addresses various potential kernel panic situations.

      Now all the users won't get to see the nifty "You need to reboot your computer" image....

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    4. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Improves compatibility of burned CDs with Microsoft Windows.

      About fucking time they put BACK capability they took AWAY with 10.2. Steve wants you to switch, just not be able to switch back

    5. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 2
      Now all the users won't get to see the nifty "You need to reboot your computer" image....

      I never got to see one of those dammit!

      I did have a total lockup earlier after installing the new iTunes, but before the 10.2.1 update.

      The system seems perkier now.

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    6. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and accurate, too! well, once in a blue moon, I suppose. He did get the Cube right. Or was that AppleInsider?

    7. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. I know. Taking almost a month to put that back in? And then having the audacity to include some extra bug fixes along with it? Christ. They might as well have cut off your foot with a rusty axe.

    8. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by angelo · · Score: 1

      I got one of those after logging out. It was the damndest thing. I thought it generated an error message, but then I noticed that it was my MAC ID.

    9. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, as opposed to BillG's plan? MS Windows, Office, etc. are like a Pitcher plant; easy to get you data in, damn hard to get out.

    10. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2
      I command-option-escaped out of the installer so I could reboot "later". About 15 minutes later, just after I had plugged a new scanner into the USB, I got this wierd thing where the screen grays out, and a window with a power button icon in back comes up saying "you must restart your computer". Huh? I guess this is Apple's new version of the Blue Screen of Death. It took me 10 minutes to reboot because it had to double-fsck.

      If it really was a kernel panic, how and where do I find the traceback info? I've heard they now save to NVRAM to be picked up after reboot.

      This update still didn't fix the problem on my Pismo where plugged into the wall with a full battery it still doesn't display the "plugged battery" icon and is "calculating" the charge time. And then I had one of those "Pismo hangs when going to sleep" problems (which I hadn't seen once with 10.2.0) and had to reboot again.

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    11. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't seen that image either. Is there a photo of it up on the Web somewhere? You guys are talking about how kernel panics look since 10.1 or whatever, right? I had a kernel panic in 10.0.0 when it was just a text message, but none since then.

    12. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by iMacGuy · · Score: 1

      It should be in /Library/Logs/panic.log (unless it's /var/log/panic.log, can't remember).
      It'll only get written if the panic didn't mess up the filesystem code in the kernel.

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    13. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by iMacGuy · · Score: 1

      I once wrote a kernel extension that crashed your computer so you could see the image, but I lost it.

      Sometimes you can trigger a panic with a 'sudo kill -SEGV 2', but that may just fux it enough to not let you reboot and not do a full panic.

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    14. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by bsartist · · Score: 3, Informative

      I command-option-escaped out of the installer so I could reboot "later"...

      where do I find the traceback info?


      The problem can be easily traced back to you not following instructions and rebooting when you were supposed to. If it wasn't a good time to reboot, you shouldn't have tried to install an update that requires one.

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    15. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by NSObject · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can see the reboot screen at http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo= 6332

    16. Re:Readme for 10.2.1 Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw that under 10.2. Happened when I switched my Belkin SOHO Series USB KVMA switch back to my Blue G3 (upgraded to 550 MHz G4).

      But that's not the same as the kernel panic I encountered once. Suddenly, plain white-on-black text in the upper left corner of the screen telling me to restart. More what you'd expect from a BSD kernel panic, instead of a multi-lingual window.

      Hopefully 10.2.1 will get rid of the indefinite waits with the lollypop pinwheel beachball and having to force quit applications like DragThing and Photoshop 7, sometimes taking two or three attempts to do so. And the sudden system lockups with Photoshop.

      At least FCP3.0 isn't overwriting the partition maps and root directories of my Firewire drives anymore with 10.2 like it would under 10.1.

  4. Err, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple have been doing this long before open source was vogue.

    Go and look at their old OS version numbers.

  5. Re:fp by Disco+Stu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Keep up the good work. I believe in you.

  6. REAL operating system, for use by r3a1 hax0rs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Windows installations are running without any updates!

    Yes, if you use a REAL operating system, you can get a visit from the REAL operating system hax0rs, I'm sure.

  7. Re:news? by PaxTech · · Score: 2, Informative

    Software Update defaults to checking weekly for an update, so a lot of people might not have found out about it for a few days at least. This update has been rumored for 2-3 days now, and I for one found out it was finally released because of this article.

    Besides, the article is in the Apple section, so it's not bothering any /. readers except those who choose to read the Apple section.

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  8. Re:news? by mishac · · Score: 1

    I for one don't run OSX and have no plans to, but I like to read about it. I don't mind having this on /.'s front page at all.

  9. Re:fp by voisine · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Thank you for your support. :)

  10. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by foobar104 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, finally the "real operating system" guy is back! Cool!

  11. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by ClaraBow · · Score: 1

    An OS is a living and constantly evolving being(unlike *certain humans*), therefore it is going to be continually updated. A Modern OS is modular, so this is not a path, but rather, just another piece to make it more complete. So be happy, download it, and enjoy the ride!

  12. Out of the frying pan... by jbm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I installed that puppy right away, instead of after the usual cautious waiting period, because I've been having such troubling difficulties with 10.2 (far fewer panics than 10.1.x, but a tendency for USB-connected outboard-DAC audio from iTunes to lose sync and get into a chronic stuttering mode, and uselessness of 39160-connected SCSI drives).

    I haven't had a chance yet to test for the previous difficulties, but a brand-new booboo emerged when I rebooted after the upgrade: a volume I have on an ACARD 6880M (a two-disk hardware mirror) is being mounted twice. It looks (on very preliminary investigation) as if maybe one volume being seen is the mirror, and the other is one of the underlying disks of the mirror; but maybe I'm seeing both underlying disks and not the mirror. Either way, it kind of bites, and I think I'm going to have to run explicitly on a single disk until this is resolved.

    Maybe it's my fault -- somewhere in there I loaded up the version 1.3 kext from ACARD in place of the (dated earlier, but numbered later) 1.4 version which came with Jagwire. Or maybe nobody ever tests mirroring, because all the kids want to do is stripe. Sigh.

  13. System 5.0.2 by cpeterso · · Score: 2


    Google seems to believe in System 5.0.2: http://www.google.com/search?q=mac+%22System+5%2E0 %2E2%22

  14. Re:news? by dtfarmer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I agree, and the wierd thing is, when I went into Software Update to have it check for these updates, it was off on both of the computers I just updated to 10.2. It was always on by default before with 'weekly' checking, and I didn't turn it off - so I might not have know until I saw news about it, or had I decided to check my software update at some point and realized it was disabled....

  15. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by fault0 · · Score: 2

    > In fact, most Windows installations are running without any updates!

    Tell that to all the hapless winXP users who never turn off auto-update (on by default).

  16. Re:news? by mick129 · · Score: 1

    It's not on the front page (unless you have your preferences set to display all Apple articles there).

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  17. that was quick by dcstimm · · Score: 1

    its good to see apple updating their OS. maybe 10.2 wont have as many problems as 10.1 had.

    1. Re:that was quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      welcome to the party!

      unfortunately, it finished ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

  18. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yay, slashdot is not boring any more

  19. Re:news? by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 2
    I agree, and the wierd thing is, when I went into Software Update to have it check for these updates, it was off on both of the computers I just updated to 10.2

    I was trying to check earlier today, but the servers were down.

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  20. Stuttering. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..."but a tendency for USB-connected outboard-DAC audio from iTunes to lose sync and get into a chronic stuttering mode"

    Interesting. In 10.2, I've experienced similar audio stuttering with my SoundSticks while using iTunes and DVD Player. It's reasonably rare, and I haven't experienced for a few week, but it's still annoying.

    Seems there are some USB audio issues in 10.2...

  21. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by foobar104 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Oh, I wouldn't go as far as that.

  22. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by Woodrose · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Sigh...I miss VMS I think. DCL was a brilliant scripting language and i made a fat living off the system crashes.

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  23. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's right! Most WinDOH!s installations are running without updates! Boy it sux to be those people.
    About working out of the box... that is left to opinion. I had to reinstall not one week after getting my new computer.
    And while we're all updating our OS X boxes, I think it only fair to tell WinDOH!s users that a very bad hole is available for exploit in XP (again? didn't they fix those?). WinDOH!s users should update their box asap at windows update especially if you are one of the few, the brave, the un-updated.

  24. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How far would you go?

    The GAROS Guy will go all the way....he has a nice ass, but I hear he's tight with it.

  25. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    Windows works right out of the box! In fact, most Windows installations are running without any updates!

    Really? Then explain this. I installed XP to my computer.

    1) Soundcard broke.
    2) Created a user account that I did not have previously on my computer (has since been disabled)
    3) Windows update pops up and asks me to install *VITAL* security updates. To date I have 12 windows hotfixes installed. And this computer has only been running for 3 weeks.
    4) Also note that windows has decided it will no longer play nice with my router, and does not handle the DHCP rollovers.

    Doesn't work out of the box for me, and this has been one of my better windows experiences. My friend's laptop will not disply his computer on the desktop (Explorer says it's there, but it's not). Lovely stuff. When my iBook comes back from the shop (nasty run in with water and a power cord) it will once again become my primary machine and I will use my PC only for the stuff that I need to do involving Maple (since it was easy enough to get off of Kazza)

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  26. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by foobar104 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Well, let's just say I never praise Slashdot on a first date.

  27. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the PC Maple user: Get Mathematica for OS X!!!:)

  28. Re:news? by batobin · · Score: 1

    Due to security reasons, Apple defaults to not automatically check for updates.

    Why it overwrote your previous prefs, I don't know. Maybe they were just being extra sure. :)

  29. 10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by Durindana · · Score: 1

    Anyone else experience this? New mail is a generic-iconed app, doesn't do anything when double-clicked. To add another level of dumb, Apple doesn't seem to have a standalone installer .pkg for Mail. Smart.

    1. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by djupedal · · Score: 1

      Can you say 'sendmail'....check it out via WebMin.

    2. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by Cantus · · Score: 3, Informative

      You probably didn't have the Mail application at the root level of the Applications folder (/Applications/Mail.app) before installing the update. Never move Apple installed applications from their original path!

    3. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by capmilk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not very Mac-like, is it?

      I know Mac OS since system 4.3, and until those badly ported DOS/Win Apps appeared, an Application was one file that could easily be moved around (your floppy disk ;>) and would still function perfectly.

      Up until X that became more and more of no-no. You installed and app and better not moved any part of it afterwords.

      Finally, Mac OS X reintroduced the nice one-app-is-one-file feature in the NeXTish way which I really like. But for Woz' sake, why on earth do the apps have to be in the Applications folder to be found? Apple even ships a locate db with the system, so don't tell me they wouldn't have an idea how to find their stuff after I moved it...

    4. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by MungoHardbottle · · Score: 1

      i'm right there with you. i can't start mail, and when i try to, a generic icon appears in the dock and starts bouncing, but nothign comes of it. fantastic.

    5. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by MungoHardbottle · · Score: 1

      can anybody confirm this is what's causing the hoo-ha? i'm at work right now and am on a windows machine so i can't figure out if this is the case. i'm eager to put my mind at rest.

    6. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have this problem too, although I moved Mail into the Applications folder (from Applications/Internet) rigth after I startedd downloading the update and well before it began installing.

      So, what is the solution? How do you make Software Update re-intall the update? How do we get Mail working again?!

    7. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the moment they seem to be doing it for simplicity's sake - maill.app will also be in the Application folder so no "find app" tricks needed for the updater. The locate.db is nice but is indexed by filename - it's possible you'll have more than one "Mail" on your system, which one does the installer update?

    8. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Yes I can confirm it. The new mini mail app you see is an .nib file (nibs control look and feel). Mail tries to load but can't find the interface and so it crashes.

      You can see this error in console.

    9. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Go to apple's web page download the update and reinstall.

    10. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by grue23 · · Score: 2

      I had this problem too, and it was because I had moved Mail. I actually appear to have been able to correct it by hand by opening the new package under Applications and my old package that was under Applications/network, and dragging things from the new one into the old one by hand. YMMV.

    11. Re:10.2.1 wigged out my Mail.app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad Sherlock Holmes couldn't be called in to find the missing apps....;-)

  30. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    I would, but the college uses maple and sends the assignments as maple worksheets.

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  31. Don't quote me, but.... by batobin · · Score: 1

    I know whenever someone claims "it just feels faster", people jump on them saying it's merely the pre-binding, the cleared RAM, whatever. But let me tell you, this update really does make things faster. How do I know? I just bought this dual 1GHz g4, and everything was just pre-bound, and I've been adding new software, so my RAM gets cleared plenty.

    Window moving, web pages loading, even photoshop. This computer is even quicker than before. I swear.

    1. Re:Don't quote me, but.... by norwoodites · · Score: 3, Informative

      prebinding now happens at launch of the executable if it needs it so for most Apps after installing needs one launch to reprebind the functions together and it will make it faster to launch the second time.

    2. Re:Don't quote me, but.... by batobin · · Score: 1

      Cool stuff. I guess you learn something new every day. :)

      Thanks for the info.

    3. Re:Don't quote me, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Why do people hate Muslims?

      Why do Muslims hate people?

    4. Re:Don't quote me, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people hate Muslims?

      Why do Muslims hate civilization?

  32. powerbook G4 issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems that this new upgrade has some issues with powerbooks G4, after booting the keyboard and the trackpad aren't operational. Has anyone installed this update on a powerbook G4? and has anyone experienced such problems?

    1. Re:powerbook G4 issues by nuckin+futs · · Score: 0

      i know someone who installed it on an ibook and the same thing happened. i think a re-install was the only fix.

    2. Re:powerbook G4 issues by feldsteins · · Score: 2

      I installed it on my PB G4 without incident. To be specific, I was running a clean install of 9.2.2 and 10.2 and then got 10.2.1 via Software Update. So far I have observed no problems whatsoever. I checked MacFixIt and I don't see any other reported issues of this type. Yet, anyway.

      Powerbook G4 (version = 11.3) w. DVD

      500 mhz

      384 MB RAM

      boot ROM 4.1.8f5

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      You like your Macintosh better than me, don't you Dave? Dave? Can you hear me Dave?
    3. Re:powerbook G4 issues by tobyglyn · · Score: 1

      No problem with my 800mhz Titanium.

    4. Re:powerbook G4 issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem on my powerbook G3 333!!!

    5. Re:powerbook G4 issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problems here, either. Same config, except 768 MB RAM. I was actually having a problem before the update with my fn and delete keys sticking, so I would get numbers while typing with the right hand, or just wouldn't be able to enter text. It was intermittent, but very annoying. I haven't had that since the update.

  33. IE feels like a new browser! by Erik+K.+Veland · · Score: 1

    I swear it. It's bleeding fast. Even on slashdot! Especially on image-heavy pages. It renders like a champ, or even *shrug* the windows-version.

    Thank you Apple! Jaguar is even more impressive now!

    Now go fix the finder FTP-implementation.

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    "I tend to think of OS X as Linux with QA and Taste", James Gosling, creator of Java
    1. Re:IE feels like a new browser! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your right. IE has spend up. I may acutally use it now until Chimera hits 1.0, Opera gets out of beta (my fave), Mozilla makes it easier to use external email and crashes less on Java pages, iCab has better Javascript support, etc. Speed was IE's worst problem. Would like at least one main browser. Like the choices, but damn it's a bit of a problem to think about which browser to launch depending on the expected code of the site.

    2. Re:IE feels like a new browser! by odenshaw · · Score: 1

      i cant say anything for IE since i dont use it, but loading big slashdot pages are faster with chimera. Web sites are faster to load in general.
      thanks apple!

    3. Re:IE feels like a new browser! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      using ftp in finder fucked my shit all up...
      hopefully it's at least got better error handling now.

  34. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you Really need Maple I beleave there is a Linux Version of it. And I would get rid of XP on your PC put Linux on and use XDarwin with ssh so you dont loose the productivity of the PC.

  35. Still can't print by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every application still crashes when I try to print.
    (Dual 800 G4, HPLJ4MV)

    1. Re:Still can't print by jbolden · · Score: 2

      How exactly would you expect to get help with that kind of limited information?

      Anyway try building up to print slowly.
      Uninstall all printers
      install your printer via cups and print a test page
      -- if it works keep going
      -- if it doesn't work then drop down to lpr and lp and try from the command line. Remember to send a postscript file for testing

    2. Re:Still can't print by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How exactly would you expect to get help with that kind of limited information?
      All I was pointing out is that my hardware is mainstream. So, tell me, why shouldn't this "Jaguar" hunt? Why does printing kill applications??

      Anyway try building up to print slowly. Uninstall all printers install your printer via cups and print a test page
      Cups? Say, wha'?? I used the friggin' PrintMonitor. That's what I paid for. I didn't fork over cold cash for some freeware package. Cups! Sure. And lpr!! Of course, it's because of wonderful facilities like these that I recommend MacOS X for every household. Yeah, I'll by that for a dollar.
      Fortunately we still have choice in this market. My printer may not work with my Mac, but it's Apple that needs the help, not me. I've got other computers that print just fine, thankyou.

    3. Re:Still can't print by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did you find slashdot?

    4. Re:Still can't print by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Well if your desire is just to complain and not do anything about the problem I don't think you'll find /. the most sympathetic crowd. But I hate to tell you something all of Darwin is "some freeware package" you can download it for free from Apple/opendarwin including for non apple platforms (like x86). What you paid for was the pretty gui like wrapping CUPS inside of printmonitor. But make no mistake everything in your OS is utilizing low level freeware services.

    5. Re:Still can't print by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if it's hard to find /. Certainly you don't mean to imply that MacOS X only works for geeks and doesn't work at all for non-geeks? Or that geeks have the time and inclination to mess around with MacOS X after seeing all of the glitzy promo materials and ponying up $100 or more for the upgrade.
      For serious work, I'm sticking to my real UNIX boxen.

    6. Re:Still can't print by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hey, no sympathy sought here. And you haven't told me anything I didn't already know (but thanks!) I'm just not afraid to point out to the Mac fanatics running loose here (www.m-w.com: fanatic: "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion") that Jaguar looks like one expensive, sick cat, built on the backs of free software developers for the benefit of an elite group of high-flying corporate executives. It has been oversold in my opinion.

      Go ahead and use Darwin - and help Apple debug it. Me? I've got plenty else to do.

    7. Re:Still can't print by adamx12 · · Score: 1

      That dog just won't hunt.

      Now cut that fence and get this G-d d-mn company on the move.

  36. Yes, it's your fault. (joking) by BoomerSooner · · Score: 1

    I haven't installed 10.2 yet and they already have a patch! Now that's fast. I wonder when the G5's are coming out? lol...

  37. panics?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you people do to X?

    Maybe I'm just a low-level user who watches DVDs, rips/burns CDs, imports/ edits movies/pictures, runs mySQL databases and serves them using PHP and Apache, creates large graphics/illustrations in illustrator, and runs the occassional buggy hand-written C code to do some simulations, but I have NEVER had any kernel panics and I've been on board since X.0.

    What is the secret? How can I get my machine to have a kernel panic without abusing it????

    1. Re:panics?? by jbm · · Score: 1
      What is the secret? How can I get my machine to have a kernel panic without abusing it????
      Oh, without abusing it...

      I can only try to reconstruct what I was up to when it tended to fall over.

      The 10.1.x releases would panic, it seemed, once or twice a week. Often there wasn't a consistent set of circumstances I could identify across fallings-over, but one thing which seemed to do it pretty reliably was scrubbing back and forth during attempts at video editing (both with iMovie and with Final Cut). I have this suspicion that there was something in the OS (perhaps in the neighborhood of the disk drivers, but I have absolutely no concrete knowledge about this) which didn't respond well to wacky I/O patterns on a dual-CPU box. Indeed, I was able to get Final Cut to be more reliable by tweaking the Open Firmware bootup string

      setenv boot-args cpus=1
      boot
      to force single-CPU operation.

      By contrast, while I haven't had as much time to wring out 10.2, I'm pleased to report that it's only had one panic. (I think it was a panic -- while the 10.1s displayed text including the actual word panic and a register dump or backtrace or suchlike, the time Jagwire fell over, the screen was darkened and a little windowlet popped up informing me that I should now either hit the reset button or hold down the power button. Every other time 10.2 has locked up, it was something in the user interface which had wedged, and I could ssh in from another box and do a clean reboot.

      For comparison, my Linux boxes (at home and work) have panicked on average well less than once every two years... but, I've used them differently: I've kept to the hardware-support sweet spot, only using, say, SCSI controllers well-supported by mature drivers. The Mac has had all sorts of bleeding-edge crap plugged into it (partly bacause I bought it in hopes I could get away with that sort of thing). So the comparison isn't, um, apples and apples.

  38. Re:Why don't you just get a REAL operating system. by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    I've lost many many hours of productivity to getting linux to run nicely on many different machines. I hope that it's improved somewhat, however, I will be waiting for my second harddrive and then installing QNX (www.qnx.com) to play arround with that for a while. Besides, I can't get rid of XP entirely yet, because Haxial (www.haxial.com) doesn't have a linux version of KDX yet (they need I think 20 people to buy it and give them an email with the purchase that they would also like a linux version).

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    T Money
    World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
  39. Broken XDarwin? by derubergeek · · Score: 1

    My XDarwin no longer works with the 10.2.1 update. It doesn't report any problems via the console log (sure would be nice if I could turn on verbose or debug [or maybe I mean it would be nice if the option would spit out from -help]), just the usual startup followed by 'Quitting XDarwin'.

    I reinstalled XFree86 + the 10.2 patch. No joy...
    Anyone else?

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    Trust me. This is an inactive account. Regardless of what the /. bean counters might report.
    1. Re:Broken XDarwin? by chris_martin · · Score: 1

      Not that it helpps much, but my 10.2.1 + XFree86 + XDarwin patch works just fine. Check your path.

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      -- Chris Martin, System Administrator
  40. No need for Intellipoint it seems... by localerrata · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else notice this?

    It seems that all of a sudden my Intellimouse Explorer magically became functional; back and forward buttons that I had pretty much forgotten about are now actively doing their jobs. :)

    Thanks, Apple. I was getting tired of waiting for MS to get their act together.

  41. Finding the right App by capmilk · · Score: 1

    I don't have Mail.app anymore, so as an example file, Backup.app must do for now. :)

    If an updater finds multiple files named "Backup.app" it could dig into the .app-Folders and look for "Info.plist". Inside that XML-File it finds

    <key>CFBundleIdentifier</key>
    <string>com.apple.Backup</string>

    and

    <key>CFBundleShortVersionString</key>
    <string>1.1</string>

    Now all the installer has to know is, which version(s) of the files with the right Bundle Identifier string can be updatet.

  42. iTunes tightly bound to OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anybody know what the iTunes update is and why it requires a reboot? Should I be getting worried by a seemingly tighter integration of apps with the OS?

    1. Re:iTunes tightly bound to OS? by TotallyUseless · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My guess is that the iTunes package possibly contains the updated CD burning package for the system.

      --

      Time for some tasty Shiner Bock!
  43. Real Ultimate Operating System!! by feldsteins · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes! A Real Operating System. Windows! Windows is cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet. There are no updates for it today! That's what I call Real Ultimate Power!!! In fact Windows is sooooo sweet I want to crap my pants.

    (Just ask Mark!)

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    You like your Macintosh better than me, don't you Dave? Dave? Can you hear me Dave?
  44. Intellimouse was working fine anyway at my end by speechpoet · · Score: 1

    Were you having trouble with the MS driver? Mine has been working flawlessly since I downloaded it months ago. Kept working with the Jaguar initial release, too, which was a relief.

    1. Re:Intellimouse was working fine anyway at my end by localerrata · · Score: 1

      Mine had stopped working when I upgraded to 10.1.5, so when I did a clean install of Jaguar on my OS X partition, I neglected to even reinstall it. I'm figuring that 10.2.1 might simply support 5 button mice. :)