Unfortunately, the link seems to down (along with all of cnet) thanks Adelphia. Anyway I have read accounts of similiar sits. Basically it is a cheaper to build a wireless infrastructure than a wired one.
Wireless is simply much cheaper and simpler to implement. Many third world countries are now getting wireless phone service that were never fully wired. I worked for a company that wires buildings for networking and phone, and I can tell you that 802.11b has made much of what we did obsolete. The difference in cost is tenfold. For a high speed ISP the difference is even greater.
This is the future that will bring broadband to the masses, DSL and Cable are much capital intensive. Broadcasting rather laying that "last mile"
As for small-ISP's. Well I've lost a couple of good ones over the last couple of years. I have cable but I set my dad up woth a local guy called Netrom.com. Dad loves the personal service, the once a year he has a problem, he calls and gets the same people. After a couple of years of AOLHELL he is blown away with personal service. One only hopes that with the wireless broadband that playing field is slightly more level. No favoratism to bells or cable companies. Then good service may previal.
Say it, say it... Chowda.
Although I never liked Opera's interface, Mozilla has recently become my Goto browser. The first few versions (especially the Netscape branded ones) weren't so stable or capable. But the last last 3-4 milestones have been topnotch. specially.95 with the tabbed interface. Best of all I can use it in Linux.
It does have it shortcomings. Opera much less of a resource pig, and Konquerer is better thought out. But I rarely encounter any problems rendering pages(I did in past releases) The bonus of being open source, skinable and multi-platform clinches it.
In a final note. I think it is obvious that Microsoft's complete disrespect for thier constumers' security and privacy needs necessitates an emigration from their products. I currently run Windows boxen for Macromedia and Adobe apps. For servers I run BSD or Linux, however I was my local Comp Usa playing on a dual -G4 OS-X box. Incredible interface, even ran Windows 2000 via virtual PC. I was impressed enough with OS-X that I almost bought it, $2500 worth. The lesson, Apple is close, Microsoft has slipped. It wouldn't take very much for Apple to gain those of us constantly jumping between Windows and Unix. Maybe a G5 that achieves a better Price/Performance ratio. How about a bare bones Mac, for those who like to build a custom box.
Just a few thoughts I am not a Mac Zealot, but to able to dump Windows and Explorer would make me feel safer.
"Electric Humvee", only $.25 of electricity per shot! Better watch out they're turning green. How I long for the good old days of diesel spewing Humvees and depleted uranium munitions.
Picture little blue recycle bins on the front lines, "Don't throw that shell in the regular garbage, that goes in the blue bin" "Did you just throw pin in the grass, do you know how long it take a firing pin to biodegrade?
As opposed to old school military sorched earth attitude, "mmm napalm, burn baby burn."
I suprised it hasn't occurred to ISP's to make their SMTP server, then automatically stop sending when someone tries to send 120 copies of an email with an attachment. In addition to stopping attachment virii cold, it could stop the morons from thinking everyone they know should see that stupid dancing penis radio add again. Seriously my ISP blocks port 80 in the name of security, but can block an outlook Virus bouncing around their network.
Maybe ISP's wouldn't need need to cap our bandwidth if morons didn't run Outlook and open Vb attachments.
The guy who wrote the post, is working on face-recognition technology. (thanks for researching him, cwhittenburg)
This exactly the type of thing that could be done, but shouldn't. Stay away from this, we can only hope that any competent people will stay away from this and they will never get it to work.
I don't like MSN anyway, but we can not stand for this...
Take the fight to the street.. DDOS the site. Get 30,000 of your friends and take Redmond by force.
Gates may to bribe Bush and get the Justice department off his back...
But let he rue the day he prevented the open source community from accessing MSN.......
Start with the Cyrix C3 at about 800mhz. This chip doesn't even need a heat-sink.
Give it S3 graphics with TV output, 128 megs of ram, 32 megs of on board flash, and eth.
Given Via's production capacity, they could probably build it for a hundred bucks. All of a sudden, you have a set top box that can do real things. Divx/Mpeg video 4 decoding, DVD playback, multiple web browser windows, Cheapo webs servers, and maybe even Tivo-type PVR stuff.
Via could move a lot of thier Cyrix chips, and take advantage of buying S3. System integrators could get a STB with enough grunt to do real work. Imagine if DSS, switched from mpeg 2 to mpeg 4 compression. 2000 channnels, anyone?
Has anyone in congress actually read the Constitution?
Realistically I am not sure 802.11b is for you, although it probably could do the job. I worked for a company that build networks within, between, and into corporate buildings. Assuming the phone company can't provide a T-1, I would look in to leased lines. A pair of leased lines between you and an ISP should cost around $100/month possibly less. A pair of leased line modems should come in under $3000. Depending on line quality, some of them can get a megabit of BW. Cat 5 or Cat 7 ethernet and fiber would be extradinarily expensive, cat 5 outdoor grade cable is something.30 a foot in addition to the several repeaters/mile you would need. Fiber actually might be slightly cheaper at that distance. Needless to say it would be enomously expensive
Don't try wireless unless you have a line of site. Givin a line of site, you are are on the outedge of of what microwave technology can do. Most systems top out at around 30 miles or so. However some off the newer stuff is running up to 50 miles. http://www.wmux.com/index.html, Western Multiplex's Lynx series is a good start, your best bet is to call them and explain your situation. They can set you up with a local contracter who knows their systems to set you up. Should cost aound $15,000 to buy and setup the equipment. Of course you might have to get a license and you need sites to build the towers. The manufacturer can probably help you with this as well.
Although 802.11b is a neat technology, outside of 10 miles relay stations will be needed. Multipling problem possiblilities within you network. Givin that 802.11b is really not used in this application often, you probably won't be able to find anyone who has done this to help you. Cost will be similiar if not more than microwave considering five access points/relays will be needed.
I don't work for any of the microwave guys, but I know they are established and know their stuff. Going into a situation like yours you definitely want easy to support established stuff. The microwave guys very often will send a salesman to hold your hand through planning the whole project.
Good Luck,
"before I became a drug addict I had so many problems, now I have it focused to only one"
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Unfortunately, the link seems to down (along with all of cnet) thanks Adelphia. Anyway I have read accounts of similiar sits. Basically it is a cheaper to build a wireless infrastructure than a wired one.
Wireless is simply much cheaper and simpler to implement. Many third world countries are now getting wireless phone service that were never fully wired. I worked for a company that wires buildings for networking and phone, and I can tell you that 802.11b has made much of what we did obsolete. The difference in cost is tenfold. For a high speed ISP the difference is even greater.
This is the future that will bring broadband to the masses, DSL and Cable are much capital intensive. Broadcasting rather laying that "last mile"
As for small-ISP's. Well I've lost a couple of good ones over the last couple of years. I have cable but I set my dad up woth a local guy called Netrom.com. Dad loves the personal service, the once a year he has a problem, he calls and gets the same people. After a couple of years of AOLHELL he is blown away with personal service. One only hopes that with the wireless broadband that playing field is slightly more level. No favoratism to bells or cable companies. Then good service may previal.
Say it, say it... Chowda.
Although I never liked Opera's interface, Mozilla has recently become my Goto browser. The first few versions (especially the Netscape branded ones) weren't so stable or capable. But the last last 3-4 milestones have been topnotch. specially .95 with the tabbed interface. Best of all I can use it in Linux.
It does have it shortcomings. Opera much less of a resource pig, and Konquerer is better thought out. But I rarely encounter any problems rendering pages(I did in past releases) The bonus of being open source, skinable and multi-platform clinches it.
In a final note. I think it is obvious that Microsoft's complete disrespect for thier constumers' security and privacy needs necessitates an emigration from their products. I currently run Windows boxen for Macromedia and Adobe apps. For servers I run BSD or Linux, however I was my local Comp Usa playing on a dual -G4 OS-X box. Incredible interface, even ran Windows 2000 via virtual PC. I was impressed enough with OS-X that I almost bought it, $2500 worth. The lesson, Apple is close, Microsoft has slipped. It wouldn't take very much for Apple to gain those of us constantly jumping between Windows and Unix. Maybe a G5 that achieves a better Price/Performance ratio. How about a bare bones Mac, for those who like to build a custom box.
Just a few thoughts I am not a Mac Zealot, but to able to dump Windows and Explorer would make me feel safer.
How will anyone know if they are in compliance. Or if they are just /.ed.
At least they could put a temp. site on another server. Maybe Smokey the Bear, "Only you can prevent Windows security holes."
"Electric Humvee", only $.25 of electricity per shot! Better watch out they're turning green. How I long for the good old days of diesel spewing Humvees and depleted uranium munitions.
Picture little blue recycle bins on the front lines, "Don't throw that shell in the regular garbage, that goes in the blue bin" "Did you just throw pin in the grass, do you know how long it take a firing pin to biodegrade?
As opposed to old school military sorched earth attitude, "mmm napalm, burn baby burn."
Kinda funny that most wars are fought over oil.
I suprised it hasn't occurred to ISP's to make their SMTP server, then automatically stop sending when someone tries to send 120 copies of an email with an attachment. In addition to stopping attachment virii cold, it could stop the morons from thinking everyone they know should see that stupid dancing penis radio add again. Seriously my ISP blocks port 80 in the name of security, but can block an outlook Virus bouncing around their network.
Maybe ISP's wouldn't need need to cap our bandwidth if morons didn't run Outlook and open Vb attachments.
Easy tiger,
I'll get you your gun and send you over. Some need to remain behind, and live those lives the terrorists hate so much.
Mars sounds like a good idea, my guess is that it will be hard to get to Mars with an expired student visa.
Now I know how /. gets so many hits...
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<BR>Hey Coward, save the stupid stuff for the NYT's forum.
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The guy who wrote the post, is working on face-recognition technology. (thanks for researching him, cwhittenburg)
This exactly the type of thing that could be done, but shouldn't. Stay away from this, we can only hope that any competent people will stay away from this and they will never get it to work.
Sleep with one eye open.......
I don't like MSN anyway, but we can not stand for this...
Take the fight to the street.. DDOS the site. Get 30,000 of your friends and take Redmond by force.
Gates may to bribe Bush and get the Justice department off his back...
But let he rue the day he prevented the open source community from accessing MSN.......
Via has all the parts to make an awesome STB.
Start with the Cyrix C3 at about 800mhz. This chip doesn't even need a heat-sink.
Give it S3 graphics with TV output, 128 megs of ram, 32 megs of on board flash, and eth.
Given Via's production capacity, they could probably build it for a hundred bucks. All of a sudden, you have a set top box that can do real things. Divx/Mpeg video 4 decoding, DVD playback, multiple web browser windows, Cheapo webs servers, and maybe even Tivo-type PVR stuff.
Via could move a lot of thier Cyrix chips, and take advantage of buying S3. System integrators could get a STB with enough grunt to do real work. Imagine if DSS, switched from mpeg 2 to mpeg 4 compression. 2000 channnels, anyone?
Has anyone in congress actually read the Constitution?
Realistically I am not sure 802.11b is for you, although it probably could do the job. I worked for a company that build networks within, between, and into corporate buildings. Assuming the phone company can't provide a T-1, I would look in to leased lines. A pair of leased lines between you and an ISP should cost around $100/month possibly less. A pair of leased line modems should come in under $3000. Depending on line quality, some of them can get a megabit of BW. Cat 5 or Cat 7 ethernet and fiber would be extradinarily expensive, cat 5 outdoor grade cable is something .30 a foot in addition to the several repeaters/mile you would need. Fiber actually might be slightly cheaper at that distance. Needless to say it would be enomously expensive
Don't try wireless unless you have a line of site. Givin a line of site, you are are on the outedge of of what microwave technology can do. Most systems top out at around 30 miles or so. However some off the newer stuff is running up to 50 miles. http://www.wmux.com/index.html, Western Multiplex's Lynx series is a good start, your best bet is to call them and explain your situation. They can set you up with a local contracter who knows their systems to set you up. Should cost aound $15,000 to buy and setup the equipment. Of course you might have to get a license and you need sites to build the towers. The manufacturer can probably help you with this as well.
Although 802.11b is a neat technology, outside of 10 miles relay stations will be needed. Multipling problem possiblilities within you network. Givin that 802.11b is really not used in this application often, you probably won't be able to find anyone who has done this to help you. Cost will be similiar if not more than microwave considering five access points/relays will be needed.
I don't work for any of the microwave guys, but I know they are established and know their stuff. Going into a situation like yours you definitely want easy to support established stuff. The microwave guys very often will send a salesman to hold your hand through planning the whole project.
Good Luck,
"before I became a drug addict I had so many problems, now I have it focused to only one"