I didn't RTFA. However, that is something like I expected... that it looks very lucrative to these nurses. Who could pass up money like that? They earn a decent amount anyway, but isn't that almost double what they'd normally do (at least for LPNs, some RN's make nearly that much anyway).
However much people's comments are an overreaction, even an apparently unjustified one, there will come a time when it is as they describe. If you were going to screw people over by making this mainstream, then of course you want the first example, the prototype, to look good. This is the bait. Wait for the hook.
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Of course what else should we expect from career politicians.
Good question. Let's see... how about them enslaving our grandchildren, and not even for the reward of being slavemaster (evil or not, you can at least respect that). They'll do it because some corporation donated just enough money to the campaign, in all the right, untraceable ways to guarantee them some key election victory. Or maybe because the real powers that be, who keep politicians as lapdogs, finally give the word that it's time for the final stage of the conspiracy. Or hell, they'll do it to protect us from ourselves... but their bureaucracy will be too big to let them have fun with the power.
I expect them to give themselves raises, when they still make (officially, I'm not even counting all the bribes) 4 times what it would take for me to live a life I consider luxurious.
I expect them to, when out of the spotlight, act like they're european nobility, and that I'm no better than livestock. Worse even, some do have pets, which they almost certainly value more than any of their constituents.
I expect them to have PR tools at their disposal the likes of which I can't even understand, and yet still do utterly retarded things to cause a scandal here and there.
I expect them to sell us out at every opportunity, for wholesale prices. Companies will donate $50,000 if they raise the H1B limits? Hot damn!
Shit, guess I should have formatted it as a list...
Haha. Nice troll. Only people I've seen on my network are more concerned with getting our experimental routing protocol running... though I do hear that the lack of a "no servers" policy helps too. Quit being a jackass.
I'm curious about the geothermal. Thought those only worked in areas that were geologically active (out west, near volcanoes, geysers and whatnot... whats the term I'm looking for?).
I've been tinkering with solar power, but I can't get enough heat to really power even a tiny steam engine. Thinking it might be better to have it just heat water. An insulated tank from a real water heater oughtta keep it hot through the night, and you know how hot even just something black/metal can get up on a roof...
Where did these people go to business school? I thought it was standard practice to bribe congress to declare a health industry emergency, and get them to work for unpaid overtime.
That's what you do for the middle to high end of the middle class. You only auction off low-paying jobs (after lobbying congress to loophole away minimum wage for auctioned wages, of course).
Don't ban them, honeypot them. If you ban them, they know they have to be sneakier. Instead, allow them to stay on, and fake acknowledgements to all their spamming. To them, it will look as if spamming has dried up... the response rate was close to 0% anyway.
Actually, ever since the laws that forbid people from having shotguns (unless you are one of the elite, of course), you *can* lock it up in a vault like a gemstone.
Reminds me of a statistic I read yesterday: that if the nation of Burundi was required to buy licenses for each copy of Windows in use, they would have to give 67 straight months of the country's entire GDP to Microsoft.
Reminds me of the countless trolls hear that are probably screaming that since this isn't an expensive AIDS drug, they have even less excuse for pirating it. (Not that they excuse generic anti-AIDS drugs...) How much do you want to bet, that in the years to come, the WTO and the world bank put some serious financial shackles on our good Burundian friends...
Look, if you pirate software, you're breaking the law, plain and simple. Stop trying to justify it,
And when you say things I disapprove of, without paying me $199.95, you're stealing from me. Sure, it's not a law yet, but once I bribe a few congressmen to tack a rider onto a interstate funding bill, it will be. And I expect you to chime in and tell everyone they must obey the law...
Software is not a right
But perpetual copyright is? Industry collusion for DRM to keep linux from booting on 2007 hardware is? Tell me, where in the Constitution is the right enumerated, that corporations have the right to become monopolies, and turn around and use uncompetitive practices to force competitors from the market, and finally raise prices to the most profit maximizing number?
and you do not have to be a pirate to make a living.
Yes, because some small businesses aren't killed outright by the incredibly high price of maintaining software licenses to Microsoft's satisfaction.
But quit whining about how you're being screwed by the rich.
No problem. Quit whining because other people point out that the rich are screwing us. Oh, and since I doubt you will quit, just let me point out that in the grandest scheme of things, M$ isn't "the rich" that are screwing us. Even they are pawns.
About two months ago, our "free basic cable" died. I was home that day, and a comcast van pulls in the driveway. 15 minutes later, there is a red-stickered filter on the line, at the top of the pole. Only the Country Music channel (CMT) works... aagh. I'm not sure if that was intentional, or if it just happens to be near enough the frequency of the cable modem.
Never had them accuse me of stealing cable though.
Within a day, had the satellite recievers out of the closet, and back in action. Just wish I could figure out what feed the local weather channel stuff is...
BTW, why is it that canadian bell expressvu has about 4 times as many porn channels as anyone else...
Thanks for the punctuated equilibrium thing, forgot the name.
The basis for modern evolution theory was largely developed after the discovery of DNA. Until then, only the most basic guesses could be made. We knew that DNA encoded the genes that were passed down... and we even had good ideas what could randomly change them. Radiation, chemicals, viruses.
But it's obvious that it's not as simple as that.
I'm sure that it will be figured out anyway, and I am curious to the solution. I'm not saying that evolution isn't the solution (in my opinion), just that it is currently incomplete. I do, however, point out (or try to) that even as things are, there is room for God in there somewhere, if that's something that is important to you.
Cars aren't an analogy, they're a literal example. Cars do undergo a form of evolution, and they are created. Both.
Strawman arguments are only possible if I'm arguing. You're the one trying to do that.
PS I suspect that a more accurate evolution theory will be something exotic like Greg Bear's "Darwin's Radio". Even if common sense tells me it will likely be something far simpler. Guess I should read more biology journals and less science fiction.
PPS People need to read more James Hogan, the concept of DNA having quantum properties that allow it to undergo natural selection with all variations at once doesn't sound entirely implausible either...
Not a trick question. Just didn't feel like googling for the exact term. Besides fetus and embryo there are about 30 different terms for each exact stage of development, ranging from single cell on up to whatever.
People may ask you trick questions, but this wasn't one of them. Just sloppy choice of words.
Is it wrong to kill hundreds of embryos in a fertility clinics in attempts to make one pregnancy?
My own philosophy leans toward excluding fertilized eggs until they implant on the uterine wall. Birth control that prevents this implantation is (barely) moral in that sense, but causing an abortion later is generally immoral.
Are those embryos at a stage of development where they would already have attached themselves? I know that some research embryos are (stem cell crap), and that I consider immoral.
Should everything which is morally wrong be illegal?
Probably not. Should society act as if there is nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to regret, nothing "wrong" with things that are legal, regardless of morality?
The problem is that ancient peoples saw no need to make a standard reference unit out of non-rusting metals. I don't claim to know the origins of the cubit, but possibly 2 or more ancient units are being confused as one, or even that in the beginning that cubits were much more general in nature, and not a unit of measurement as we understand today.
If Gribnik the caveman says "that cavehorse is 12 cubits high" and didn't bother to paint the hieroglyphs that explain he then gives the cubit-stick to Grabnok, so that he can measure another horse... and that everyone has their own, different cubit-stick.
How many people of that era would fail to understand our system of time? Noon is, after all, the point in the day when the sun is at it's highest...
Roosevelt also called for war. Yet I can't help feeling that it was justified, civilian deaths or not. Maybe my math is wrong, or not even being used here... but how many horrible things would Hitler have done?
Some wars have to be fought. To not fight them is wrong.
Bush's "Desert Storm II: Son of Iraq" doesn't count though.
How can you distinguish between one and the other though, in a way that doesn't allow wiggle room, ambiguity?
Do you honestly feel that an athiest is some kind of wild-man who runs around in a totally sociopathic way?
Do you claim that you've never met one or two people who could be described that way?
Do you not suspect that there are a few like that, but are clever enough to hide it, for fear of retribution?
How consistent are your morals? Is it wrong to kill someone outside of self-defense? Is it wrong to kill someone out of sadistic joy? Is it wrong to kill someone out of convenience? Is it wrong to kill an infant? An 8 month old fetus? A 1 month old fetus?
Mind you, don't worry that I'm picking on atheists. Certainly many supposedly religious people get the answers wrong...
If you believe in evolution you simply don't understand it.
(Note: I'm not attacking it, merely pointing out the flaws I hope are fixed here soon)
In recent years, it has become increasingly apparent that Darwin's original model of evolution simply can't account for certain things. While difficult to model, it's becoming more obvious that random cosmic rays zapping a nucleotide here and there, and waiting for natural selection, simply can't explain what we see. Some biological mechanisms are extremely low tolerance, that one blaster beetle comes to mind.
Species seem to pop up out of nowhere in the fossil record. In a few cases, it's difficult to suggest that an incomplete fossil record explains the gaps. Periodic equilibrium is just a name, no one has a good mechanism for it yet...
And need I remind anyone, that even though cars are most certainly created (they don't grow on trees, folks), they also do tend to appear to "evolve' from year to year.
I for one, suspect something is true that resembles evolution alot, but jumping to the conclusion that that's the end of truth is just plain dumb. Who's the name of your biology teacher, so that I can "boo" him if I ever see him on the street?
Your religion colors what you can find acceptable, so I'll try a bit not to be offensive. But the only logical conclusion is this, as I see it
If a person tries to be good, but does not believe there is a god, then, after they die they'll find out otherwise. I would also suspect that God might find this humorous and agreeable (supposing he exists), and that a good person would go "well, imagine that". Then they'd walk off together, and God might say "with all that happened in your life, how could you possibly have doubted?".
Others though, would say that God sends the guy to hell anyway, because after all, there is no room to disagree on a largely irrelevant point.
And of course, even if there is no god, then that person living a good, decent life enriches all of us, and maybe the planet is better for it. Maybe others start living a decent life... certainly, religious or not, that's not the worst role model someone could have in the world we live in.
The opposite is possible though, that a person might believe there is a god... but choose to behave immorally. Does he score a ticket to heaven anyway, just because he managed to guess correctly, on what I consider a largely irrelevant point?
If Jesus claimed as you speculate, then indeed, it seems he did win a victory of sorts even after he died. I don't mean this in the general religious way, but his religion has outlived the romans many times over, and even before their civilization died, converted them.
I do disagree about some of his claims, it seems more likely that he himself didn't claim to be divine, rather his over-enthusiastic followers.
Is it a miracle if he did manage to walk on water? Or is it the miracle that he may have taught (at least some people, others seem impervious to the lesson) people that if we're good to each other, there may be a paradise as a reward for us?
Some will believe in God, though not in an afterlife.
Some will have serious doubts God exists, though will choose to follow the religious laws out of habit (and hopefully) a sense that doing so can make people's lives better.
Some certainly believe that God doesn't watch over them... even they concede that for some (possibly mysterious) reason he chooses to allow bad things to happen.
Some will find evidence to support these beliefs. Others will contrive false evidence.
Few believe that dinosaurs don't exist, the rest interpret the existence of fossil records differently. Others are ignorant that there is a fossil record.
BTW, most preachers, even the most ignorant, will tell you (if you haven't been rude to them yet) that tarot-card-readers are scam artists that tell you what you want to hear. The rest will claim they are witches. Go figure.
Religion is often abused by con artists. It is speculated that religion was invented by con artists. Sometimes, it is used to make things better, to give hope and joy to people who endure the worst of conditions. When a christian organization donates food to starving people in africa, or helps rebuild homes after a hurricane strikes, surely some do it out of fear of going to hell. The rest do it because it is good to help others. You could learn from them.
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I didn't RTFA. However, that is something like I expected... that it looks very lucrative to these nurses. Who could pass up money like that? They earn a decent amount anyway, but isn't that almost double what they'd normally do (at least for LPNs, some RN's make nearly that much anyway).
However much people's comments are an overreaction, even an apparently unjustified one, there will come a time when it is as they describe. If you were going to screw people over by making this mainstream, then of course you want the first example, the prototype, to look good. This is the bait. Wait for the hook.
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Of course what else should we expect from career politicians.
Good question. Let's see... how about them enslaving our grandchildren, and not even for the reward of being slavemaster (evil or not, you can at least respect that). They'll do it because some corporation donated just enough money to the campaign, in all the right, untraceable ways to guarantee them some key election victory. Or maybe because the real powers that be, who keep politicians as lapdogs, finally give the word that it's time for the final stage of the conspiracy. Or hell, they'll do it to protect us from ourselves... but their bureaucracy will be too big to let them have fun with the power.
I expect them to give themselves raises, when they still make (officially, I'm not even counting all the bribes) 4 times what it would take for me to live a life I consider luxurious.
I expect them to, when out of the spotlight, act like they're european nobility, and that I'm no better than livestock. Worse even, some do have pets, which they almost certainly value more than any of their constituents.
I expect them to have PR tools at their disposal the likes of which I can't even understand, and yet still do utterly retarded things to cause a scandal here and there.
I expect them to sell us out at every opportunity, for wholesale prices. Companies will donate $50,000 if they raise the H1B limits? Hot damn!
Shit, guess I should have formatted it as a list...
I want my house warmer than 55 in the winter though... I assume that you still need to supplement it with another heat source?
55 in the summer sounds somewhat nice though. Doubt that in suburbs you have enough of a lateral field for everyone to use it. Oh well.
Haha. Nice troll. Only people I've seen on my network are more concerned with getting our experimental routing protocol running... though I do hear that the lack of a "no servers" policy helps too. Quit being a jackass.
I'm curious about the geothermal. Thought those only worked in areas that were geologically active (out west, near volcanoes, geysers and whatnot... whats the term I'm looking for?).
I've been tinkering with solar power, but I can't get enough heat to really power even a tiny steam engine. Thinking it might be better to have it just heat water. An insulated tank from a real water heater oughtta keep it hot through the night, and you know how hot even just something black/metal can get up on a roof...
Where did these people go to business school? I thought it was standard practice to bribe congress to declare a health industry emergency, and get them to work for unpaid overtime.
That's what you do for the middle to high end of the middle class. You only auction off low-paying jobs (after lobbying congress to loophole away minimum wage for auctioned wages, of course).
Don't ban them, honeypot them. If you ban them, they know they have to be sneakier. Instead, allow them to stay on, and fake acknowledgements to all their spamming. To them, it will look as if spamming has dried up... the response rate was close to 0% anyway.
Actually, ever since the laws that forbid people from having shotguns (unless you are one of the elite, of course), you *can* lock it up in a vault like a gemstone.
Reminds me of a statistic I read yesterday: that if the nation of Burundi was required to buy licenses for each copy of Windows in use, they would have to give 67 straight months of the country's entire GDP to Microsoft.
Reminds me of the countless trolls hear that are probably screaming that since this isn't an expensive AIDS drug, they have even less excuse for pirating it. (Not that they excuse generic anti-AIDS drugs...) How much do you want to bet, that in the years to come, the WTO and the world bank put some serious financial shackles on our good Burundian friends...
Look, if you pirate software, you're breaking the law, plain and simple. Stop trying to justify it,
And when you say things I disapprove of, without paying me $199.95, you're stealing from me. Sure, it's not a law yet, but once I bribe a few congressmen to tack a rider onto a interstate funding bill, it will be. And I expect you to chime in and tell everyone they must obey the law...
Software is not a right
But perpetual copyright is? Industry collusion for DRM to keep linux from booting on 2007 hardware is? Tell me, where in the Constitution is the right enumerated, that corporations have the right to become monopolies, and turn around and use uncompetitive practices to force competitors from the market, and finally raise prices to the most profit maximizing number?
and you do not have to be a pirate to make a living.
Yes, because some small businesses aren't killed outright by the incredibly high price of maintaining software licenses to Microsoft's satisfaction.
But quit whining about how you're being screwed by the rich.
No problem. Quit whining because other people point out that the rich are screwing us. Oh, and since I doubt you will quit, just let me point out that in the grandest scheme of things, M$ isn't "the rich" that are screwing us. Even they are pawns.
About two months ago, our "free basic cable" died. I was home that day, and a comcast van pulls in the driveway. 15 minutes later, there is a red-stickered filter on the line, at the top of the pole. Only the Country Music channel (CMT) works... aagh. I'm not sure if that was intentional, or if it just happens to be near enough the frequency of the cable modem.
Never had them accuse me of stealing cable though.
Within a day, had the satellite recievers out of the closet, and back in action. Just wish I could figure out what feed the local weather channel stuff is...
BTW, why is it that canadian bell expressvu has about 4 times as many porn channels as anyone else...
A cardbus tv tuner out there?
I get tired of this "let's put everything on USB" crap that happens all too often...
Haha. Just set it to "apathetic/depressed" and leave it there, like everyone else on IRC.
Thanks for the punctuated equilibrium thing, forgot the name.
The basis for modern evolution theory was largely developed after the discovery of DNA. Until then, only the most basic guesses could be made. We knew that DNA encoded the genes that were passed down... and we even had good ideas what could randomly change them. Radiation, chemicals, viruses.
But it's obvious that it's not as simple as that.
I'm sure that it will be figured out anyway, and I am curious to the solution. I'm not saying that evolution isn't the solution (in my opinion), just that it is currently incomplete. I do, however, point out (or try to) that even as things are, there is room for God in there somewhere, if that's something that is important to you.
Cars aren't an analogy, they're a literal example. Cars do undergo a form of evolution, and they are created. Both.
Strawman arguments are only possible if I'm arguing. You're the one trying to do that.
PS I suspect that a more accurate evolution theory will be something exotic like Greg Bear's "Darwin's Radio". Even if common sense tells me it will likely be something far simpler. Guess I should read more biology journals and less science fiction.
PPS People need to read more James Hogan, the concept of DNA having quantum properties that allow it to undergo natural selection with all variations at once doesn't sound entirely implausible either...
A 1 month old fetus? A trick question!
Not a trick question. Just didn't feel like googling for the exact term. Besides fetus and embryo there are about 30 different terms for each exact stage of development, ranging from single cell on up to whatever.
People may ask you trick questions, but this wasn't one of them. Just sloppy choice of words.
Is it wrong to kill hundreds of embryos in a fertility clinics in attempts to make one pregnancy?
My own philosophy leans toward excluding fertilized eggs until they implant on the uterine wall. Birth control that prevents this implantation is (barely) moral in that sense, but causing an abortion later is generally immoral.
Are those embryos at a stage of development where they would already have attached themselves? I know that some research embryos are (stem cell crap), and that I consider immoral.
Should everything which is morally wrong be illegal?
Probably not. Should society act as if there is nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to regret, nothing "wrong" with things that are legal, regardless of morality?
The problem is that ancient peoples saw no need to make a standard reference unit out of non-rusting metals. I don't claim to know the origins of the cubit, but possibly 2 or more ancient units are being confused as one, or even that in the beginning that cubits were much more general in nature, and not a unit of measurement as we understand today.
If Gribnik the caveman says "that cavehorse is 12 cubits high" and didn't bother to paint the hieroglyphs that explain he then gives the cubit-stick to Grabnok, so that he can measure another horse... and that everyone has their own, different cubit-stick.
How many people of that era would fail to understand our system of time? Noon is, after all, the point in the day when the sun is at it's highest...
Roosevelt also called for war. Yet I can't help feeling that it was justified, civilian deaths or not. Maybe my math is wrong, or not even being used here... but how many horrible things would Hitler have done?
Some wars have to be fought. To not fight them is wrong.
Bush's "Desert Storm II: Son of Iraq" doesn't count though.
How can you distinguish between one and the other though, in a way that doesn't allow wiggle room, ambiguity?
Do you honestly feel that an athiest is some kind of wild-man who runs around in a totally sociopathic way?
Do you claim that you've never met one or two people who could be described that way?
Do you not suspect that there are a few like that, but are clever enough to hide it, for fear of retribution?
How consistent are your morals?
Is it wrong to kill someone outside of self-defense?
Is it wrong to kill someone out of sadistic joy?
Is it wrong to kill someone out of convenience?
Is it wrong to kill an infant?
An 8 month old fetus?
A 1 month old fetus?
Mind you, don't worry that I'm picking on atheists. Certainly many supposedly religious people get the answers wrong...
If you believe in evolution you simply don't understand it.
(Note: I'm not attacking it, merely pointing out the flaws I hope are fixed here soon)
In recent years, it has become increasingly apparent that Darwin's original model of evolution simply can't account for certain things. While difficult to model, it's becoming more obvious that random cosmic rays zapping a nucleotide here and there, and waiting for natural selection, simply can't explain what we see. Some biological mechanisms are extremely low tolerance, that one blaster beetle comes to mind.
Species seem to pop up out of nowhere in the fossil record. In a few cases, it's difficult to suggest that an incomplete fossil record explains the gaps. Periodic equilibrium is just a name, no one has a good mechanism for it yet...
And need I remind anyone, that even though cars are most certainly created (they don't grow on trees, folks), they also do tend to appear to "evolve' from year to year.
I for one, suspect something is true that resembles evolution alot, but jumping to the conclusion that that's the end of truth is just plain dumb. Who's the name of your biology teacher, so that I can "boo" him if I ever see him on the street?
Your religion colors what you can find acceptable, so I'll try a bit not to be offensive. But the only logical conclusion is this, as I see it
If a person tries to be good, but does not believe there is a god, then, after they die they'll find out otherwise. I would also suspect that God might find this humorous and agreeable (supposing he exists), and that a good person would go "well, imagine that". Then they'd walk off together, and God might say "with all that happened in your life, how could you possibly have doubted?".
Others though, would say that God sends the guy to hell anyway, because after all, there is no room to disagree on a largely irrelevant point.
And of course, even if there is no god, then that person living a good, decent life enriches all of us, and maybe the planet is better for it. Maybe others start living a decent life... certainly, religious or not, that's not the worst role model someone could have in the world we live in.
The opposite is possible though, that a person might believe there is a god... but choose to behave immorally. Does he score a ticket to heaven anyway, just because he managed to guess correctly, on what I consider a largely irrelevant point?
My apologies. Failed to see a "n't" in there somewhere. ;)
If Jesus claimed as you speculate, then indeed, it seems he did win a victory of sorts even after he died. I don't mean this in the general religious way, but his religion has outlived the romans many times over, and even before their civilization died, converted them.
I do disagree about some of his claims, it seems more likely that he himself didn't claim to be divine, rather his over-enthusiastic followers.
Is it a miracle if he did manage to walk on water? Or is it the miracle that he may have taught (at least some people, others seem impervious to the lesson) people that if we're good to each other, there may be a paradise as a reward for us?
What a sad, inaccurate picture you paint.
Some will believe in God, though not in an afterlife.
Some will have serious doubts God exists, though will choose to follow the religious laws out of habit (and hopefully) a sense that doing so can make people's lives better.
Some certainly believe that God doesn't watch over them... even they concede that for some (possibly mysterious) reason he chooses to allow bad things to happen.
Some will find evidence to support these beliefs. Others will contrive false evidence.
Few believe that dinosaurs don't exist, the rest interpret the existence of fossil records differently. Others are ignorant that there is a fossil record.
BTW, most preachers, even the most ignorant, will tell you (if you haven't been rude to them yet) that tarot-card-readers are scam artists that tell you what you want to hear. The rest will claim they are witches. Go figure.
Religion is often abused by con artists. It is speculated that religion was invented by con artists. Sometimes, it is used to make things better, to give hope and joy to people who endure the worst of conditions. When a christian organization donates food to starving people in africa, or helps rebuild homes after a hurricane strikes, surely some do it out of fear of going to hell. The rest do it because it is good to help others. You could learn from them.