as an addendum, seeing as how good SPEC numbers are so often hard to find, I've found a good alternative is the Distributed.net live client speed comparison db. there's a huge range of architectures there, and many averaged results in most cases. You'll see the fearsome power of the G4s Altivec unit there, as well as the outstanding integer performance of the Alpha and Athlon designs. It's a very impressive resource all in all.
that's good research but the currently used G3 class chip is a PPC 750cxe, not the 750 you found. This newer chip has 256KB of full-speed L2 on the chip, and this is a considerable improvement over the old, half-speed, 'backside' cache as used by the 750. Also, please note that the iMac runs at an FSB speed of 100Mhz, not 66. While you were nosing around IBM PPC site, did you catch the data on the PPC 750fx? This chip will run at 1Ghz on a 200Mhz FSB with 512KB L2 on die. Due out in January, it seems likely Apple will use it real soon. I have exhaustively benched my various systems and I can tell you with great certainty that a 500Mhz PPC 750 100Mhz FSB will give a 25-30% lead over a 500Mhz PIII 100Mhz FSB. That gives around a 650Mhz equivalent. Of course, most PIII CuMines now would be running 133Mhz FSB or RDRAM, and the G3 (cxe) is being somewhat held back by Apple so as not to tread on the G4s toes. A real shame, but I think the current top of the range iMac with it's 700Mhz 750cxe would be FULLY competitive with a 1G PIII if Apple (or an OCer) would push the FSB to 133 where it's SUPPOSED to be!
that NetVista is what we have as a standard desktop at my office. Really very sensible in terms of space, heat and cabling. IBM's designers, however could learn a thing or two from Apple's - that NetVista is a serious dust magnet, comes with an awful mouse/kbd and has a really crappy drop-down DVD-ROM that has to be broken to be believed!
that's really not fair at all. I actually run one application on my G4/OSX that I got when I had my Colour Classic - a 68030/System 7.5.5. Care to elucidate about broken compatibility? And, you ARE right about the G4, it's competitive with x86 CPUs, but it doesn't crush them by any means. I use a load of different machines at work, and a 733Mhz G4 is (real world) about even with a 1200Mhz Athlon T'Bird, our AthlonXP 1900+ (@1680Mhz) is the fastest machine we have, just edging our 867Mhz G4 - 10% faster!
I'm a Mac zealot, but even I wouldn't claim a 500Mhz G3 to be as fast as a 1000Mhz PIII. The G3 is a capable chip, low power and excellent for it's intended purpose. It's probably fair to compare the G3 500 with a Celeron or Duron running at 700 or 800 Mhz. A 700Mhz G3 could probably put up a reasonable fight with a 1Ghz PIII. I have a Yosemite G3 @ 500Mhz, and it runs about 30% faster than my 500Mhz PIII of similar vintage.
the keys don't push too hard, it's the finger grease on the keyboard that gets on the screen. Two answers, cover the keyboard with a little cloth when closing (there's a company that makes custom size leather kbd covers for exactly this purpose) or CLEAN THE SCREEN occasionally. Incidentally, my girlfriends' Toshiba Satellite Pro does this too if provoked.
yeah! right on - I just can't understand why cars aren't all beige, it's clearly the one colour that fits all. Those iMac shells are BEAUTIFUL, I think they were designed by Me Company. The "Blue Dalmation" design is just stunning.
I haven't actually seen a virus on a Mac since Autostart in about '96 - and that was the most incredibly insipid virus EVER. Of course, Mac heads could send applescripts to each other but don't. They DO send Flash files and QT movies all the time though. Frankly, Mac users feel slightly left out every time these viruses hit...
"and you, of course, are very unique" - AGP "one cannot have degrees of uniqueness, one either is or is not unique" - SF "you're right - and so am I" - AGP
Amiga was right up there with Video Toaster (Newtek's product) but Avid rule here. These guys were recording direct to their Macs right in the TV studio - straight out of the cameras!
you might WANT to try letting QT take over AVi, as it apparently is more compatible with MS' old standard than is WinMedia Player. Figure that one. QT only asks ONCE, anyhow - Real is WAY more invasive.
On2 (formerly Duck) VP3 is an exceptionally fine codec, certainly a rival for Sorenson Video 3. If the open source want superb QT quality, they should organise an Ogg QT codec and a VP3 that runs under linux? These must be among the simplest OSS projects imaginable! On2 have already made VP3 QT codecs for MacOS and Win32, and will give you the source. Ogg is obviously the same and Apple have a new found interest in OSS and would LOVE to see QT adopted by the linux community. It's up to you developers to do it, how much more help do you need?
"I'm sure there is already a DiVX;) work-alike" exactly right. In fact, there are TWO projects doing this DIVX and 3IVX. Sadly, they're both substantially inferior to pre-existing QT codecs including Sorenson Video 3.1, Zygo Video and On2 Vp3. I am absolutely stunned at the level of QT ignorance being displayed in these comments. Saying that QT is derivative is like saying Daimler Benz got all their ideas from Hyundai.
QuickTime is NOT Sorenson compression! Why don't you try reading about it? it has been around for 10 YEARS now! QT currently supports over 200 different media types, including MIDI, Mp3, Flash, png, TIFF, AVI (cinepak, indeo, divx), TGA, gif, JPG, PICT, AIFF, AU, SND, wav. Video codecs supported under QT include: DV, Apple Animation, Apple Component , Avid ABVB & Meridien, H.261 &.263, Cinepak, MJPEG, PJPEG, Zygo Video, TM2X, Sorenson Video 1 & 2 & 3, On2 Vp3, Digital Voodoo 8 bit and 10 bit etc. In addition, QT also supports playback and embedding of MPEG1, mp2. If you can name a richer multimedia environment, I'd love to hear about it. Muppet.
Air-con sure, but where's the fucking cup holders? I can't wait to see the first fat yank riding one of these no-handed while eating a Big Mac. Or a pizza.
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if you REALLY believe that "80% of humanity" is over 200lbs you should be aware that a) most people don't even know what "lbs" are and b) there IS a world outside of your trailer park. American twat!
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before you think I'm a complete pussy, that WAS supposed to be 12 miles:-]
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Jesus! 8mph? I managed to walk two miles at 5mph once and I was blistered like a bastard and all cramped to hell. you must be pretty nifty there, twinkle toes.
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nope, you're thinking of the mighty WOZ. Steve was always a bread head, albeit a pretty precocious one.
as an addendum, seeing as how good SPEC numbers are so often hard to find, I've found a good alternative is the Distributed.net live client speed comparison db. there's a huge range of architectures there, and many averaged results in most cases. You'll see the fearsome power of the G4s Altivec unit there, as well as the outstanding integer performance of the Alpha and Athlon designs. It's a very impressive resource all in all.
that's good research but the currently used G3 class chip is a PPC 750cxe, not the 750 you found. This newer chip has 256KB of full-speed L2 on the chip, and this is a considerable improvement over the old, half-speed, 'backside' cache as used by the 750. Also, please note that the iMac runs at an FSB speed of 100Mhz, not 66. While you were nosing around IBM PPC site, did you catch the data on the PPC 750fx? This chip will run at 1Ghz on a 200Mhz FSB with 512KB L2 on die. Due out in January, it seems likely Apple will use it real soon. I have exhaustively benched my various systems and I can tell you with great certainty that a 500Mhz PPC 750 100Mhz FSB will give a 25-30% lead over a 500Mhz PIII 100Mhz FSB. That gives around a 650Mhz equivalent. Of course, most PIII CuMines now would be running 133Mhz FSB or RDRAM, and the G3 (cxe) is being somewhat held back by Apple so as not to tread on the G4s toes. A real shame, but I think the current top of the range iMac with it's 700Mhz 750cxe would be FULLY competitive with a 1G PIII if Apple (or an OCer) would push the FSB to 133 where it's SUPPOSED to be!
that NetVista is what we have as a standard desktop at my office. Really very sensible in terms of space, heat and cabling. IBM's designers, however could learn a thing or two from Apple's - that NetVista is a serious dust magnet, comes with an awful mouse/kbd and has a really crappy drop-down DVD-ROM that has to be broken to be believed!
that's really not fair at all. I actually run one application on my G4/OSX that I got when I had my Colour Classic - a 68030/System 7.5.5. Care to elucidate about broken compatibility? And, you ARE right about the G4, it's competitive with x86 CPUs, but it doesn't crush them by any means. I use a load of different machines at work, and a 733Mhz G4 is (real world) about even with a 1200Mhz Athlon T'Bird, our AthlonXP 1900+ (@1680Mhz) is the fastest machine we have, just edging our 867Mhz G4 - 10% faster!
man, you're gonna go blind at 1400x1050 on a 15 inch. I'm serious.
I'm a Mac zealot, but even I wouldn't claim a 500Mhz G3 to be as fast as a 1000Mhz PIII. The G3 is a capable chip, low power and excellent for it's intended purpose. It's probably fair to compare the G3 500 with a Celeron or Duron running at 700 or 800 Mhz. A 700Mhz G3 could probably put up a reasonable fight with a 1Ghz PIII. I have a Yosemite G3 @ 500Mhz, and it runs about 30% faster than my 500Mhz PIII of similar vintage.
Microsoft do not manufacture computers. They manufacture nightmares. And money.
the keys don't push too hard, it's the finger grease on the keyboard that gets on the screen. Two answers, cover the keyboard with a little cloth when closing (there's a company that makes custom size leather kbd covers for exactly this purpose) or CLEAN THE SCREEN occasionally. Incidentally, my girlfriends' Toshiba Satellite Pro does this too if provoked.
yeah! right on - I just can't understand why cars aren't all beige, it's clearly the one colour that fits all. Those iMac shells are BEAUTIFUL, I think they were designed by Me Company. The "Blue Dalmation" design is just stunning.
I haven't actually seen a virus on a Mac since Autostart in about '96 - and that was the most incredibly insipid virus EVER. Of course, Mac heads could send applescripts to each other but don't. They DO send Flash files and QT movies all the time though. Frankly, Mac users feel slightly left out every time these viruses hit...
well, just add it to the yankee collection:- LOSER "LOOSER", THAN "THEN" and DEFINITELY "DEFINATLY".
is Jeff Bridges when you need him?
"and you, of course, are very unique" - AGP "one cannot have degrees of uniqueness, one either is or is not unique" - SF "you're right - and so am I" - AGP
Amiga was right up there with Video Toaster (Newtek's product) but Avid rule here. These guys were recording direct to their Macs right in the TV studio - straight out of the cameras!
you might WANT to try letting QT take over AVi, as it apparently is more compatible with MS' old standard than is WinMedia Player. Figure that one. QT only asks ONCE, anyhow - Real is WAY more invasive.
On2 (formerly Duck) VP3 is an exceptionally fine codec, certainly a rival for Sorenson Video 3. If the open source want superb QT quality, they should organise an Ogg QT codec and a VP3 that runs under linux? These must be among the simplest OSS projects imaginable! On2 have already made VP3 QT codecs for MacOS and Win32, and will give you the source. Ogg is obviously the same and Apple have a new found interest in OSS and would LOVE to see QT adopted by the linux community. It's up to you developers to do it, how much more help do you need?
"I'm sure there is already a DiVX ;) work-alike" exactly right. In fact, there are TWO projects doing this DIVX and 3IVX. Sadly, they're both substantially inferior to pre-existing QT codecs including Sorenson Video 3.1, Zygo Video and On2 Vp3. I am absolutely stunned at the level of QT ignorance being displayed in these comments. Saying that QT is derivative is like saying Daimler Benz got all their ideas from Hyundai.
QuickTime is NOT Sorenson compression! Why don't you try reading about it? it has been around for 10 YEARS now! QT currently supports over 200 different media types, including MIDI, Mp3, Flash, png, TIFF, AVI (cinepak, indeo, divx), TGA, gif, JPG, PICT, AIFF, AU, SND, wav. Video codecs supported under QT include: DV, Apple Animation, Apple Component , Avid ABVB & Meridien, H.261 & .263, Cinepak, MJPEG, PJPEG, Zygo Video, TM2X, Sorenson Video 1 & 2 & 3, On2 Vp3, Digital Voodoo 8 bit and 10 bit etc. In addition, QT also supports playback and embedding of MPEG1, mp2. If you can name a richer multimedia environment, I'd love to hear about it. Muppet.
true enough. Baldness too. When it comes to 'livin large' though, yanks rule!
Air-con sure, but where's the fucking cup holders? I can't wait to see the first fat yank riding one of these no-handed while eating a Big Mac. Or a pizza.
if you REALLY believe that "80% of humanity" is over 200lbs you should be aware that a) most people don't even know what "lbs" are and b) there IS a world outside of your trailer park. American twat!
before you think I'm a complete pussy, that WAS supposed to be 12 miles :-]
Jesus! 8mph? I managed to walk two miles at 5mph once and I was blistered like a bastard and all cramped to hell. you must be pretty nifty there, twinkle toes.
crusty boner? WTF? you wanna get that looked at