I'm a MySQL dba, and I can't say that I'm particularly pissed off. If anything, it looks like *more* releases are being done, *more* bugs are getting fixed and *more* features added.
This may or may not be the impact of what Sun was doing internally before the takeover, but if they were gonna harm MySQL I'd expect them to hamper that flow. We'll find out soon enough, I guess.
You mean you can get lions WITH network access, too ? Cool !
(sorry, couldn't resist. You do have a valid point, of course, and I'm not going to argue any further as I've never actually worked in such a strictly regulated environment.)
True, but the number of borders you cross will be strongly dependant on how high up property rights are valid, and it can't be infinite exactly because of the spinning globe:-)
On the other hand, even if the aliens are aware of borders and associated issues, the question remains whether they care.
So provide an export mechanism. Simply write the data to tape or to a CD or whatnot and arrange for that to be sent offsite daily, where it will be read into the database.
In that vein, would some of the other MS shareholders *please* realise that keeping Ballmer happy enough to stay on is *not* in the best interest of the company ? For fuck's sake, he just announced he's gonna sell a shitload of shares from his own company - exactly what message does that send to the market about his faith in the value of those shares ?
That's not a given, actually. Apart from the possibility of a straight descent, there is also a limit to how high up and down property rights extend. Can't be bothered to go looking for it, though.
True, but specifying a minimum tech model number is vastly different from specifying a specific manufacturer. You are putting out a bid for systems that must integrate with existing hardware, wich is a lot more complex than integrating with a mail platform; and I think that this is for a replacement, too, not an extension.
On the other hand, if they would have specified "Microsoft or better", everyone could offer a Linux-based solution:-)
So why oh why did you lot not specify FIPS 140-2 complicance, instead of requesting "Microsoft-only" ? Same effect, according to what you just posted, but at least you allow others to jump in.
The single-solution argument is bogus, too - by that logic, you could just as well switch to Lotus only. That kind of reasoning is what gets you stuck with sucky tech and no hope for improvement.
Provide *accurate* requirements, and see what comes out. With any luck, the winner will be good enough that the other departments will also want issue a new bid. But that logic obviously goes contrary to the bribery and political donation interests, doesn't it ?
> people are already getting burned with Oracle basically saying "unless you're on a support contract, you get nothing for your existing machines"
Sucky for the low-end machines (but why would you buy those at Sun prices), but if you're gonna buy, say, M-series and then skimp on the support contracts, you had it coming, really. Not saying it's good business, but still.
>> They just wanted MySQL just to kill it. > I believe that.
I'm not so sure. I think it makes more sense to keep MySQL for the low-end market - who really uses the free version of Oracle - and modify it so there's better compatibility and a smoother upgrade path. That would bring in some of the the growers from the low-end market who would prefer to scale their database instead of making their code run around the scaling limits of MySQL.
> They wanted Sun because their OS and hardware are a good platform for their database
Their shiny new appliances (the X2 series, iirc) are indeed based on Sun hardware, but are running Unbreakable Linux. I can't imagine that they didn't already have plenty of Solaris know-how, so I do suspect that Linux will stay the recommended platform for the coming time. Maybe, just maybe, they'll be porting some of the better Solaris tech to Linux, who knows ?
Very unlikely. Oracle makes it a point of always keeping support for 'deprecated' stuff in their databases, and Java is one of the technologies they heavily use in the current incarnation - even way back since 8i, iirc. Not just as an alternative for PL/SQL, either - a lot of system packages are written in Java, like, say, the tuning stuff and the scheduler api.
They may do a lot of stuff, but they'll never cripple their database.
Oracle may be squeezed at both ends by DB2 and the open source alternatives, but they are definitely squeezing back, too.
On the low end, don't forget that they now own MySQL. Right now, it seems as if they're actually getting things done, too, so that's not looking too bad. Personally, I'm hoping they take the obvious road and add some Oracle features and compatibility, which would both make MySQL a bit more powerful, and would allow Oracle-the-company to offer MySQL customers an easy upgrade path when the need arises.
On the high end, there's obviously DB2. The latest Oracle toy, however, is squeezing back: they've used their Sun acquisition to develop what is basically a full-stack solution: you can get fully tuned quarter/half/full/multiple racks with RAC DB *and* storage, which even has block selection optimisation on the storage box level to minimize traffic on the infiniband interconnects. I haven't seen it in action yet - it doesn't quite fit in our current IT plans for the next few years - but they claim a speedup of several factors compared to 'standard' installs. It'll be interesting to see if this can match DB2 for scale.
> what's the point of an open-source DRM implementation
Could as well be asking what the point is of an open-source authentication and encryption scheme. Who would ever use a thing like that ? No, I think I'll stick to my openssh.
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I'm a MySQL dba, and I can't say that I'm particularly pissed off. If anything, it looks like *more* releases are being done, *more* bugs are getting fixed and *more* features added.
This may or may not be the impact of what Sun was doing internally before the takeover, but if they were gonna harm MySQL I'd expect them to hamper that flow. We'll find out soon enough, I guess.
Here, have a plush tail.
A modpoint, a modpoint, my kingdom for a modpoint !
This may be the most insightful post in years, intentional or not.
> Microsoft has promised to patch the vulnerability, but last week said the threat didn't warrant an 'out-of-band' update.
So, this is a zero-day HOW ?
The ounce is weight as well as volume ? Ye gods, why do people keep sticking to imperial.
> most don't, so regardless of whether you do, to me you don't
All Americans are fat and stupid. You may not be, but most are, so all Americans are fat and stupid.
Yay for stereotyping.
Heh, that's good to know.
I'm imagining you now, though, standing in the lift for a whole day, waving your hand at the doors and people looking funny at you.
> guarded by lions with no network connection
You mean you can get lions WITH network access, too ? Cool !
(sorry, couldn't resist. You do have a valid point, of course, and I'm not going to argue any further as I've never actually worked in such a strictly regulated environment.)
True, but the number of borders you cross will be strongly dependant on how high up property rights are valid, and it can't be infinite exactly because of the spinning globe :-)
On the other hand, even if the aliens are aware of borders and associated issues, the question remains whether they care.
> laws requiring off-site historical databases
So provide an export mechanism. Simply write the data to tape or to a CD or whatnot and arrange for that to be sent offsite daily, where it will be read into the database.
In that vein, would some of the other MS shareholders *please* realise that keeping Ballmer happy enough to stay on is *not* in the best interest of the company ? For fuck's sake, he just announced he's gonna sell a shitload of shares from his own company - exactly what message does that send to the market about his faith in the value of those shares ?
That's not a given, actually. Apart from the possibility of a straight descent, there is also a limit to how high up and down property rights extend. Can't be bothered to go looking for it, though.
Perfect. Now all we need to do is shrinkray the patient and medical staff, implant the minature liver and regrow them.
True, but specifying a minimum tech model number is vastly different from specifying a specific manufacturer. You are putting out a bid for systems that must integrate with existing hardware, wich is a lot more complex than integrating with a mail platform; and I think that this is for a replacement, too, not an extension.
On the other hand, if they would have specified "Microsoft or better", everyone could offer a Linux-based solution :-)
So why oh why did you lot not specify FIPS 140-2 complicance, instead of requesting "Microsoft-only" ? Same effect, according to what you just posted, but at least you allow others to jump in.
The single-solution argument is bogus, too - by that logic, you could just as well switch to Lotus only. That kind of reasoning is what gets you stuck with sucky tech and no hope for improvement.
Provide *accurate* requirements, and see what comes out. With any luck, the winner will be good enough that the other departments will also want issue a new bid. But that logic obviously goes contrary to the bribery and political donation interests, doesn't it ?
> The Oracle-copyrighted artwork is just gone.
Here's hoping we get something a bit more stylish, instead. OOo 3 was an improvement, but still.
> people are already getting burned with Oracle basically saying "unless you're on a support contract, you get nothing for your existing machines"
Sucky for the low-end machines (but why would you buy those at Sun prices), but if you're gonna buy, say, M-series and then skimp on the support contracts, you had it coming, really. Not saying it's good business, but still.
>> They just wanted MySQL just to kill it.
> I believe that.
I'm not so sure. I think it makes more sense to keep MySQL for the low-end market - who really uses the free version of Oracle - and modify it so there's better compatibility and a smoother upgrade path. That would bring in some of the the growers from the low-end market who would prefer to scale their database instead of making their code run around the scaling limits of MySQL.
> They wanted Sun because their OS and hardware are a good platform for their database
Their shiny new appliances (the X2 series, iirc) are indeed based on Sun hardware, but are running Unbreakable Linux. I can't imagine that they didn't already have plenty of Solaris know-how, so I do suspect that Linux will stay the recommended platform for the coming time. Maybe, just maybe, they'll be porting some of the better Solaris tech to Linux, who knows ?
> Oracle may yet be the end of Java too.
Very unlikely. Oracle makes it a point of always keeping support for 'deprecated' stuff in their databases, and Java is one of the technologies they heavily use in the current incarnation - even way back since 8i, iirc. Not just as an alternative for PL/SQL, either - a lot of system packages are written in Java, like, say, the tuning stuff and the scheduler api.
They may do a lot of stuff, but they'll never cripple their database.
Oracle may be squeezed at both ends by DB2 and the open source alternatives, but they are definitely squeezing back, too.
On the low end, don't forget that they now own MySQL. Right now, it seems as if they're actually getting things done, too, so that's not looking too bad. Personally, I'm hoping they take the obvious road and add some Oracle features and compatibility, which would both make MySQL a bit more powerful, and would allow Oracle-the-company to offer MySQL customers an easy upgrade path when the need arises.
On the high end, there's obviously DB2. The latest Oracle toy, however, is squeezing back: they've used their Sun acquisition to develop what is basically a full-stack solution: you can get fully tuned quarter/half/full/multiple racks with RAC DB *and* storage, which even has block selection optimisation on the storage box level to minimize traffic on the infiniband interconnects. I haven't seen it in action yet - it doesn't quite fit in our current IT plans for the next few years - but they claim a speedup of several factors compared to 'standard' installs. It'll be interesting to see if this can match DB2 for scale.
> And it was cheaper [...] than it was to buy forty-two thousand licenses from Microsoft.
In '99, it was. MS didn't really see Linux as a major threat, then.
Try this now, and see how fast Ballmer would be standing at your door, willing to drop his pants.
Sorry to disappoint you, but my cell phone went off right on time this morning. Annoyingly so, even, since november 1 is a holiday.
This. Exactly this.
I don't want to have to remember the difference between set, sét and sèt.
So what our man is whining about is that he wants a code editor with context-sensitive text completion ?
And here I was, thinking I used that a decade ago.
> what's the point of an open-source DRM implementation
Could as well be asking what the point is of an open-source authentication and encryption scheme. Who would ever use a thing like that ? No, I think I'll stick to my openssh.
Wait, I think I missed something there...