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Miniature Human Livers Grown In Lab

Zothecula writes "In the quest to grow replacement human organs in the lab, livers are no doubt at the top of many a barfly's wish list. With its wide range of functions that support almost every organ in the body and no way to compensate for the absence of liver function, the ability to grow a replacement is also the focus of many research efforts. Now, for the first time, researchers have been able to successfully engineer miniature livers in the lab using human liver cells."

154 comments

  1. Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm just wondering...

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    1. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Man, one comment and already my idea for a post is redundant...

      FWIW, my line would have been "Scientists report that they're quite delicious."

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    2. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by spun · · Score: 1

      You have to be quick when the joke is this obvious...

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    3. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by DevConcepts · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't fava beans be to big? Maybe a Petite Golden?

    4. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by orangesquid · · Score: 1

      Obviously OP has only seen the movie, not read the book. You could've come back with, "Don't you mean a big amarone?"

      !OT: I'm a bit surprised the extracellular structure remains so viable after removing the animal cells, but then again, my cell biology background is limited to high school, which mostly discusses the organelles, adding, "Spindles are important and nifty! LMAO BUTTS!" more-or-less.

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    5. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by orangesquid · · Score: 1

      Wow, see, I didn't even get this one right (that's how little it was discussed), but in my defense, I wasn't many worlds away. Centrioles are structural bodies involved in generation of the mitotic spindle (separates chromosomes during cell mitosis), extracellular structures (such as cilia), and microtubules that provide structure for the cytoskeleton.
      The cytoskeleton itself also contains microfilaments and intermediate filaments. Intermediate filaments are involved with extracellular structure through interactions with desmosomes and hemidesmosomes.

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    6. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, and see these for actual good info about extracellular structure:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_adhesion
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extracellular_matrix

    7. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I would just avoid the paté at the lab holiday party if you ask me.

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    8. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by slick7 · · Score: 1

      You have to be quick when the joke is this obvious...

      I prefer liver with bacon and mashed potatoes...and beer.

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    9. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by spooky+ghost · · Score: 1

      But really, what would be the ethical implications of eating lab grown human tissue?

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    10. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by Yewbert · · Score: 1

      Came here for the "did they also grow some miniature fava beans and miniature chiantis?" question,.... leaving happy.

    11. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by spun · · Score: 1

      I know, right? Nothing, really. But the social implications, if it ever got out that you'd had 'long pig' liver, well...

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    12. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by glabble · · Score: 1

      There's an old anthology of Arthur C. Clarke SF short stories called " The Wind From The Sun"- the first story is about this.

    13. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Why, it pretty certain you wouldn't get flukes are a nasty virus from lab grown pate.

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    14. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then couple years later, the scientic community discovered that "the cloning experiment" in Korea was a hoax. No cloning occurred. Sounds familiar. Dont believe what you hear.

    15. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by supertrinko · · Score: 1

      Miniature livers... Miniature cocktails!

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    16. Re:Do they taste good with fava beens and chianti? by quenda · · Score: 1

      and miniature chiantis?

      How many people know that line and have no idea what Chianti is? (an Italian wine, BTW)

  2. Miniature drinks? by Toe,+The · · Score: 5, Funny

    So if they make me a miniature liver, does that mean I can only drink those little 8oz beers?

    1. Re:Miniature drinks? by pantheonwhaley · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, and you can only go to minibars. The upside is that the ladies wear miniskirts.

    2. Re:Miniature drinks? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "So if they make me a miniature liver, does that mean I can only drink those little 8oz beers?"

      I don't think so..either you plug a bunch of them together for form normal function. Or, perhaps, all the growth hormones we injest from our food would help make it grow to full size once implanted.

      It must work, I mean...have you see the tits on young girls these days?!?!? They sure didn't have them like that when I was young. I'm talking grade school young too...ouch! Glad I'm not the father to one and have to keep the boys off them.

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    3. Re:Miniature drinks? by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you just felt older at the time.
      at 13 you felt far older than a 13 year old looks to you now.
      plus it's the outlier which catch attention, not the norm.

      things change.
      people stay the same.

      it's like how old people are convinced that the world was a safer place in their youth and the teenagers far more respectful.

    4. Re:Miniature drinks? by Sulphur · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, and you can only go to minibars.

      The upside is that the ladies wear miniskirts.

      And they sing Cry Me a Liver.

    5. Re:Miniature drinks? by vlm · · Score: 1

      You mean a "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Livers"?

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    6. Re:Miniature drinks? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Honestly..I don't think it is my imagination or perception on outliers.

      I've got friends with kids...in the 10-13yr age. I've gone with them to the schools to pick up their kids (boy and girl)..and I was shocked...MOST of the girls in that same young age group (my friend's daughter included)...all had freakin' tits. I'm not talking just developing, little ones..but full blow boobs of an older teen/young woman.

      Something is afoot...I really do wonder if it is all the hormones in foods today.

      When I was young...one or two girls that developed like that were the outliers that got ALL the attention. Now? It seems all the girls are maturing way too early and at very early ages.

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    7. Re:Miniature drinks? by houstonbofh · · Score: 2, Funny

      So if they make me a miniature liver, does that mean I can only drink those little 8oz beers?

      Cheap date...

    8. Re:Miniature drinks? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      That's a cry that's been repeated forever.
      "Things were different in my day."

      Simple better nutrition moves puberty a few years it's true but unless you're very old that wouldn't be an issue.

      when you're around people all the time you don't notice gradual change the same way, the girls with the really massive breasts first got attention but the others would have just gradually changed and been already overshadowed by their counterparts.

      Never trust your childhood memories for perceptions of scale.

      There really is also a good chance that your memories are from the early end of that spectrum, when you're 11 the 13 year old girls seem vastly older than you and the girls your own age.
      You wouldn't lump girls in your own class and ones a couple of years older together.
      20 or 30 years down the line and telling the difference between kids a few years apart is far harder and you do lump them together.

    9. Re:Miniature drinks? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      I suspect the explanation is far simpler- sexier-cut tops and padded bras.

      I don't know when exactly you were a kid, but it's no secret that younger teenagers wear more adult fashions than they did decades ago. Unless you're looking at a lot of topless 13 year old girls (in which case best not to admit it here) there's no easy way to tell without a good scientific study.

    10. Re:Miniature drinks? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are significant concerns about early puberty. For example just one reasonable reference in a quick search.

      Lots of potential boogey men here but it does seem to be a real phenomenon.

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    11. Re:Miniature drinks? by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      It's not your imagination. I've come across news articles online about how girls bodies are maturing faster than they used to and that it is more likely to happen to black girls than other races (though it's happening to them all).

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    12. Re:Miniature drinks? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      If you look at the studies those articles are referencing, they all use -- guess what? -- breast development as the measure of maturity.

      If you use age of first menstruation as your measure of maturity, the average hasn't budged in the last century.

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    13. Re:Miniature drinks? by gknoy · · Score: 1

      And, because you can buy them in bulk for cheap, you can afford to buy more rubies.

    14. Re:Miniature drinks? by glabble · · Score: 1

      All I really need to do is find myself a brand new liver...

    15. Re:Miniature drinks? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Artificial light gets my vote, poultry farmers even raise chickens under 24-7 light to decrease production time and increase egg production. The long exposure to light stimulates the pituitary gland, it's either that or cell phone radiation.

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    16. Re:Miniature drinks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the girls are all the same. it is science that has advanced their cup size. Thank the engineers at Victoria Secret, Kleenex and whoever makes those little external pads that the young girls are so fond of using to show off what they DO NOT have.

    17. Re:Miniature drinks? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      But the ladies are midgets, so the skirts are regular length for them.

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    18. Re:Miniature drinks? by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      Simple better nutrition moves puberty a few years it's true but unless you're very old that wouldn't be an issue.

      This needs a cite. The canonical counterexample is Victorian England where the nutrition level was about the same as today among the upper classes and yet there was no corresponding drop in the age of menarche.

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    19. Re:Miniature drinks? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      From the other poster who replied to my post:

      http://jech.bmj.com/content/60/11/910.extract

      Over the past 150 years, the age of puberty onset has fallen substantially across many developed countries. Although trends are apparent in both sexes,1 the evidence in females (where biological markers are clearer) suggests that, for instance, in northern Europe the age at menarche (first menstruation) fell during the 1800s, then further reduced by up to 3 years over the last century (fig 1). Factors contributing to this fall include a combination of public health successes and changes in social structures. Thus, successes such as improved childhood nutrition and health status through reduction in childhood infections have been major factors accelerating the onset of puberty

      so unless you're very old it shouldn't be that noticeable.

  3. JITB by bhcompy · · Score: 0

    So is Jack in the Box going to have a mini liver and onions to pair with the mini sirloin burgers with another awesome ad campaign to back in tup?

  4. Time to celebrate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first round of drinks is on me!

  5. Mini-Me? by quangdog · · Score: 1

    Now we just have to find a bunch of mini humans to try these out on ... I mean, we have to have clinical trials, right?

    1. Re:Mini-Me? by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Alcoholic pygmies are a dime a dozen. Which is just as well, since they're easier to carry in a twelve-pack.

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    2. Re:Mini-Me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  6. Artificial hepatic function by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Replacing hepatic function is a wonderful thing, but in order to have the new livers not be rejected, they should either be grown from a small donation of the recipient, or have the primordial DNA blasted away in the donor cells, and have it replaced with DNA from the intended recipient. Lots of people have died from not having a functioning liver, and being able to replace a broken/dysfunctional one with a new one is serious big-time news.

  7. You just wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These things will mutate and go on the attack. You get an implant, and it will turn your entire body into a giant liver. The only way to control it is LOTS of alcohol..

    1. Re:You just wait by God'sDuck · · Score: 2, Funny

      These things will mutate and go on the attack....The only way to control it is LOTS of alcohol..

      So...it's like a fraternity?

  8. Barfly wishlist by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

    First on the list is livers? I think not. Like the rest of us men, they wish for one thing: larger drinks.

    1. Re:Barfly wishlist by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know why they'd be worried their livers - that's why God gave us two of them, in case one goes bad.

    2. Re:Barfly wishlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We may have two kidneys, but only one liver.

    3. Re:Barfly wishlist by mangu · · Score: 1

      How many WOOOSHes do we have?

    4. Re:Barfly wishlist by Golddess · · Score: 1

      True, but I thought the liver could naturally regenerate? Maybe I'm remembering my high school biology incorrectly...

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    5. Re:Barfly wishlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We only have one liver.

    6. Re:Barfly wishlist by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Since we learned to grow them in mice... infinity.

    7. Re:Barfly wishlist by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Given enough time, sure.

      Let's use a car analogy--if I drive 60 mph at 20 mpg, I'm using 3gph of fuel. Now if the helicopter following me for aerial refueling can only pump 2gph into my fuel tank, I'm still going to die.

    8. Re:Barfly wishlist by reverseengineer · · Score: 1

      The liver has an amazing capacity to regenerate when healthy, and indeed it's possible to donate a partial liver and have the sections regenerate into healthy organs. However, cirrhosis of the liver involves damage that forms scar tissue throughout the organ. This scar tissue eventually blocks blood supply for the remaining healthy liver tissue, which reduces liver function and can cause a host of other complications.

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    9. Re:Barfly wishlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your liver cells regenerate, but if the liver structure is messed up, the regenerated cells won't work. Cirrhosis from alcohol abuse or hepatitis basically scars up your liver and destroys the underlying structure so that liver cells are useless when they do regenerate.

      Better car analogy: You crash your car. This leads to the engine being cracked, frame being warped, front axle being bent, the battery leaking, and the gas line and wires being melted. You replace the engine, but do not fix the rest of the damage. The car will still not move.

    10. Re:Barfly wishlist by confused+one · · Score: 1

      I'm still going to die.

      Only if there are Zombies. You're in a car...

    11. Re:Barfly wishlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The liver is one of the most robust organs. Yes, it heals itself incredibly well, but if you abuse it enough you will eventually cause it too much damage and repair will not be possible. This is why alcoholics get so many warnings before their livers finally pack up for good.

    12. Re:Barfly wishlist by BlindIdiotGod · · Score: 1

      dammit...I accidentally modded you flamebait, posting to undo.

  9. More on the topic by zrbyte · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a TED talk from Alan Russell on the methods and details of this technology.

  10. Wild! by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

    "I like the human race the way it is. I'm a person, not a collection of hunks of meat."
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    1. Re:Wild! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 0

      That's just asking for a obligatory.

      Now, is there any reason why a cloned person would be any less of a person than one born and raised? I can't think of any, we're made up of the same parts essentially.

    2. Re:Wild! by TheLink · · Score: 0

      Now, is there any reason why a cloned person would be any less of a person than one born and raised?

      Of course not- identical twins.

      To me the big issue would be transgenic creatures. At what point do you legally consider a transgenic creature human. Or a nonhuman (and thus without the rights and responsibilities of a human).

      We might have a future where the technology might be ready for it- such transhumans/posthumans can be grown/created.

      But society might not be ready for it. That's why IMO we should be very careful about what technologies we start pushing/developing.

      Same goes for AIs. If you make a really advanced AI, at what point do you start giving it the same rights as: a farm animal, a pet, or a human?

      Too many people have the "do it because we can" philosophy. That won't be good in the long term.

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  11. I wonder how much it will cost? by ciderbrew · · Score: 1

    The skills needed to grow one of these can't be cheap and that's before you've added on the RnD costs.

  12. I'll drink to that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    insert irony tag here

  13. Drink More? by alphax45 · · Score: 1

    Does this mean we can drink more now?

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    1. Re:Drink More? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in small increments...

    2. Re:Drink More? by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      Just get a dozen or so hooked up in parallel.

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    3. Re:Drink More? by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Imagine a Beowulf clustOW STOP HITTING ME!

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    4. Re:Drink More? by confused+one · · Score: 1

      That depends. Can you afford the liver tranplant cost? Shouldn't be much more than $500,000.

  14. How long can I keep being an alcoholic with this? by Last_Available_Usern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How often am I going to have to swap this out? Is there a MDBF (mean drinks before failure)?

  15. Now in Aisle 5 by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    Next to the wine coolers and six-packs.

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  16. Obligatory monty python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can we have your liver then?

  17. Re:Do they actually work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Won't help you. Their dicks will still be larger than yours.

  18. Woohoo! by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    This calls for miniature fava beans and miniature bottles of Chianti (made from miniature grapes).

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  19. How much liver do we need to make a difference? by Guppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, it looks like these mini livers put us just slightly under two orders of magnitude in size away before getting sufficient capacity to sustain a human (at the mentioned minimum of 30% normal function).

    Or does it? in many cases, liver disease is the result of a chronic and slow destruction that does not remove all capacity at a stroke; rather, the person slowly loses capacity until at some point it becomes insufficient to sustain life.

    I am hoping a partial transplant of even a micro-sized lobe might be sufficient to bump them back up to capacity. If we can get a big enough liver-oid to provide a few years function, that might be enough for an elderly patient to live out the rest of their normal life-span (or at least normal "health-span").

    1. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You can operate with a partial liver if you're nice to it. Perhaps they will grow a stub and insert it, and it will just grow into place. If it's made with your DNA it ought to know when to stop.

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    2. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by Last_Available_Usern · · Score: 0

      I am hoping a partial transplant of even a micro-sized lobe might be sufficient to bump them back up to capacity.

      I take somewhat of an issue with this. That's tantamount to people being able to say, "I'll just beat my liver up until it starts to die and then top it back off." You laugh, but when you see parents *driving* alongside their kids while they trick-or-treat you'll never again underestimate the laziness potential being housed in this country.

    3. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The liver is one of the few organs which will already regenerate on its own.

      So if you give it breathing room, you may have it regrow some on its own.

    4. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by CyprusBlue113 · · Score: 1

      Surgery has enough of a risk factor just in itself, it discourages most all of this line of thinking. How many people do you know that ever consider surgery anything but a last resort?

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    5. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      That's why you grow 100 of the little bastards and shove em in there.

    6. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You laugh, but when you see parents *driving* alongside their kids while they trick-or-treat you'll never again underestimate the laziness potential being housed in this country.

      Laziness... or desire to stay warm? The kids are motivated to go out in the cold, their parents, not so much. Plus, when the kids' motivation is finally overcome by the chilly temperatures, having the warm car right nearby is a good thing.

    7. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Surgery has enough of a risk factor just in itself, it discourages most all of this line of thinking. How many people do you know that ever consider surgery anything but a last resort?

      Not Joan Rivers...

    8. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by CyprusBlue113 · · Score: 1

      1 person is hardly a reason to discount significant progress in life saving medicine.

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    9. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by icegreentea · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There have been cases where people badly in need of a liver transplant due to failure have been put on artificial livers that took enough load off the livers/bought the patient enough time that their livers regenerated themselves completely. No need for transplant!

    10. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people do you know that ever consider surgery anything but a last resort?

      Personally?

      About a dozen, if we're including stomach modifications in the list (belts, stapling, etc).

    11. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You sir obviously do not live in a suburban coastal community.

      Many people around here think of surgery as recreation.

    12. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 0

      Ah, look at the fat whiny American try to rationalize his lifestyle. Isn't he adowable?

    13. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      And that was how Centiliver was made; the Superman to Henry Chinaski's Clark Kent.

    14. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by DigitalReverend · · Score: 1

      Well I wonder if you could harvest healthy cells from a damaged liver, decellularize it and then use the salvaged cells to rebuild it back to full size.

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    15. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by __aaasvk1266 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about adorable, but at least he doesn't have an annoying type impediment.

    16. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just put in multiple mini livers at once. In parallel so one doesn't degrade before the others.

      If this works, my kids are going to be happy. I've been calling them my little organ donors.

    17. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by lxs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Breathing room may work for lungs. Livers need living room.

    18. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Those are experimental and outrageously expensive not to mention carrying significant dangers. They're also not terribly portable.

      They beat death by a fair margin but there's plenty of room for improvement.

    19. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sir, not all liver disease or failure is due to moral failing. That said, would you let a self-harming addict die rather than use modern medicine and psychiatry to heal them? I could judge you for that, and not in a favorable fashion, sir.

    20. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      You can normally get by without a lobe of your liver perfectly fine. So that's a minimum of 30% that you can write off.

    21. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      If we can get a big enough liver-oid to provide a few years function, that might be enough for an elderly patient to live out the rest of their normal life-span (or at least normal "health-span").

      If you need a new liver you're already at the end of your natural life span (however you might want to refer to it).

      Personally I'm all for *extending* my natural lifespan with replacements and upgrades, but don't try and pretend it's anything else.

    22. Re:How much liver do we need to make a difference? by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      So few houses make use of those these days. Will an informal family room or media room suffice?

  20. Welcome by surveyork · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new miniature liver overlords.

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  21. How about a Beowolf Cluster of by CYDVicious · · Score: 2, Funny

    these mini livers, to share the load?

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  22. Obligatory Simpsons by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 1, Funny

    Larry Hagman took it. He's got five of them now! And three hearts! We didn't want to give them to him but he overpowered us!

  23. Just Great by carrier+lost · · Score: 1

    Miniature Human Livers Grown In Lab

    If only I'd stuck to the miniature bottles of vodka all these years.

  24. Paging Dr. Lecter by PotatoFiend · · Score: 1

    These will make excellent hors d'oeuvres.

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    1. Re:Paging Dr. Lecter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horse devours? A horse devours what?

      (maresy doats and goatse doats and little lamsey divey!)

    2. Re:Paging Dr. Lecter by Philomage · · Score: 1

      No no, hors d'oeuvres... horse eggs. Of course, horses don't lay eggs. The only thing egg shaped a horse lays... I don't want to think about this anymore.

  25. Proving the Tom Waits theorem by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

    1. Re:Proving the Tom Waits theorem by natehoy · · Score: 1

      "How profound, Wizard!"

      I think I'm just gonna lay down in this little field of... POPPIES-POPPIES-POPPIES-POPPIES-poppies-poppies...

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  26. Larry Niven saw this coming by idontgno · · Score: 1

    Synthetic organs from A Gift from Earth.

    "liverbeasts", "heartbeasts"... heh. Cute. Now if we could just get safe Bussard ramjets (or maybe hyperdrive).

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    1. Re:Larry Niven saw this coming by bricriu · · Score: 1

      Teleportation booths, please.

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    2. Re:Larry Niven saw this coming by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      "Liverbeasts", "heartbeasts" and Bussard ramjets are all technologies that we have one or several ideas of how to implement. The hyperspace though is utterly without connection to reality. The closest that we've got is the (mathematical) physicists saying that it's not necessarily impossible. For teleportation booths, we don't even have that.

      Depressing, but true.

      Autodocs ... now that's an interesting case. Very interesting technologies are in development, and vastly interesting capabilities are being studied. But fitting it all into one box - even a room-size box - is one thing, and letting it work overnight ... that's more like mythology.

      Not that I'm confusing Larry's work with reality, but as a (generally) hard-SF author his ideas are subject to changing technologies.

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    3. Re:Larry Niven saw this coming by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Not that I'm confusing Larry's work with reality, but as a (generally) hard-SF author his ideas are subject to changing technologies.

      Or, for that matter, the state of the science. The core of the galaxy was supposed to be exploding in chain hypernovas, remember? Kinda hard to reconcile with a supermassive black hole. I recall some mild handwaving in the shell story wrapper for "At the Core" in his collection Crashlander, but it just seemed to me to be (figuratively speaking) incomprehensible mumbling in his drink. Niven has retconned to accommodate scientific reality before ("The Ringworld is Unstable!") but I still haven't seen a satisfactory explanation for the whole "galactic supernova" thing, since it's pretty much crucial to the "Puppeteer migration" thing.

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    4. Re:Larry Niven saw this coming by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Niven has retconned to accommodate scientific reality before ("The Ringworld is Unstable!") but I still haven't seen a satisfactory explanation for the whole "galactic supernova" thing, since it's pretty much crucial to the "Puppeteer migration" thing.

      Better than "retconning" was getting the world in [ ahemm ] a spin in the early printings of Ringworld. But these things do happen.

      Maybe the whole "galactic supernova thing" is, like certain fiscal entities, "too big to fail".

      Equally maybe - perhaps the Puppeteers have noticed that there's a gamma-ray burster about to burst into light on our horizon. Would that be a sufficient reason for an attack of the OUTBEs? (Overwhelming Urge To Be Elsewhere)

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  27. Organ donors are better livers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seen on a billboard.

    Don't ask me why I was paying attention to the billboard instead of the road.

    1. Re:Organ donors are better livers by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Don't ask me why I was paying attention to the billboard instead of the road.

      Hopefully you're organ donor if you do that sort of thing often.

  28. *Sigh* by soloport · · Score: 1, Funny

    I said LASERS! Sharks with LASERS... Not livers. LASERS!

    1. Re:*Sigh* by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Sharks need livers too!

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  29. What's this? Livers for ANTS? by dmomo · · Score: 1

    That's great, but we need livers for regular-sized humans.

  30. a little drinking by big+whiffer · · Score: 0

    these should be good for a little drinking.

  31. Still need anti-rejection drugs? by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    I'm not a doctor or medically trained. Since the liver is the one organ that can repair itself, wouldn't that mean that someone who needs a liver transplant would not be in a position to provide the starter liver cells to grow a replacement? If so, then it would have to be a donor, and anti-rejection drugs would need to be taken. So it's a way to increase the supply of livers available for transplant, not a way to grow one's own replacement. Still important, but not the gateway to immortality.

    1. Re:Still need anti-rejection drugs? by malakai · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, failure of the whole liver all at once would be exceptionally rare. Cirrhosis for example takes years to die from. Parts of the liver end up becoming 'scar' tissue, and cease to perform liver functions. At some point in time, if the disease isn't stopped and you fall below some threshold of healthy liver cells, you'll end up dead.

    2. Re:Still need anti-rejection drugs? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      No. You can easily have functional cells in failing liver--liver failure just means below 30% of normal functioning. If enough cells can be scraped to grow a chunk that puts you back up to 30%, then voila, you live to drink another day.

    3. Re:Still need anti-rejection drugs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Failure of the whole liver all at once" is actually quite common. It's called fulminant hepatic failure and is an occasional (~1-20%) outcome of the hepatitis viruses. It's a relatively common indication for liver transplantation.

  32. I read that wrong.. by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    At first glance, I thought that read, miniature humans grown in lab. I thought, cool..do want!

  33. That's great news for miniature humans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But what about the rest of us?

  34. Some where under a rainbow by Fr05t · · Score: 2, Funny

    Leprechauns rejoice!

  35. Liver printing by kryliss · · Score: 1

    Can't we just print them up with a 3D printer anyway?

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  36. Who is in charge of selecting these old news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Similar things are being done for a long time. I noticed that scientific advances noted here recently are mostly old news. Like the perforin CD8 T cell report. If someone releases a story it should be checked for relevance and significance.

     

  37. Nice work, but growing wrong body parts by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    At least, fake livers won't be in highest demand from *this* crowd.

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  38. How about food? by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    Liver happens to be edible and quite tasty. If they manage to grow these livers in a vat on a commercial scale, they could significantly help with the world hunger problem. And, of course, the factory farm problem.

    1. Re:How about food? by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      If they manage to grow these livers in a vat on a commercial scale...

      Oh, look. The Ixians are here with a ghola liver!

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    2. Re:How about food? by domatic · · Score: 1

      The Tleilaxu would be the ones with the ghola liver but the Ixians would be happy to supply you with a cyborg liver.

    3. Re:How about food? by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      Damn. That's what I get for using memory instead of google.

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  40. Oh, the irony... by __aaasvk1266 · · Score: 1

    ...now we can grow livers like grapes.

  41. Halfway there by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Now all we need are miniature humans (preferably grown in Liverpool) and we'll be set.

  42. Miniature Human Livers Grown In Lab... wonder how by motherjoe · · Score: 1

    Miniature Human Livers Grown In Lab... wonder how well they'd stand up to my miniature whiskey bottle collection?

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  43. Re:How long can I keep being an alcoholic with thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry they'll be hot swappable. Why do you think they made them miniature? You'll be able to have a Redundant Array of Miniature Livers, or RAML.

  44. This sounds promising by sosaited · · Score: 1

    The easiest and most practical organ that can "grown" this way, without stem cells, is liver. It has extreme regenerative properties, higher than most other tissues. From their results it seems they might be able to grow large enough samples that once implanted, they should grow more and start functioning enough to keep the patient alive with some care.

  45. Always with the rats.... by programmerar · · Score: 1

    As fantastic as this is, it still bothers me that scientists always favor rats and pigs for these kind of things. I'd be happy to be alive and all but I wouldn't be crazy about being part rodent...

    Why can't they make livers and stuff from tigers or lions? Or sharks??

  46. A matter of scale by sjames · · Score: 1

    Based on their results, there's no reason to believe it won't scale up just fine. The small size was for the practicalities of research, not due to fundamental limitations of the technique.

  47. Liverwurst by uzd4ce · · Score: 1

    From the article they describe taking an animal liver, cleaning out the parts and refilling with human stuff. Human Liverwurst?

  48. Re:How long can I keep being an alcoholic with thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mean drinks? If you mean tequila sunrise then I guess somewhere between 3 or 4.

  49. Imagine a Beowu... OW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OW! I said I was sorry! Ow! OW! Stop, please! OW!

  50. I Hope ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have Porphyria (2 kinds, wheeeeee!), it totally ruined my life, well, I'm lucky to survive below the poverty level, so I Hope I live long enough to see this become real for a poor person.

    Not likely tho ...

  51. Re:How long can I keep being an alcoholic with thi by JamReadyTeacups · · Score: 1

    How often am I going to have to swap this out? Is there a MDBF (mean drinks before failure)?

    Haha, I really like that term, I've been an engineering student too long I suppose because that literally made me laugh out loud.

  52. Repo Men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is really great stuff...if livers can be "grown" instead of, or in conjunction with "harvested", the potential to stave off the effects of liver diseases is awesome. Hopefully the process can be extended to include just about any organ.

    Depending upon the cost and availability of the techology, the ethical implications are astounding.

    - All kidding aside (from the title), what happens if/when "big corporations" get their way with their legislative whores and turn it into big business and the only "affordable" option to stay alive is to put yourself in debt for the reaminder of your now extended life?
    - What if the recipient is terminal and the organ can't be grown within the time they're estimated to live?
    - What if the technology/process is expensive and can't be offered to everyone? Which national health-care bureaucrat/death panel decides who receives one and who doesn't?
    - What happens when an elderly celebrity "bumps" a younger "paying customer" (pick a reason) to get higher priority to grow their organ?
    - What if the process can be combined with genetic manipulation so that the replacement organ can be implanted without any inherent pre-disposition to genetic disease (assuming no external influences)?

    It bottles the mind.

  53. big question by dudpixel · · Score: 1

    yeah i just feel like being controversial today...

    so were these livers CREATED? or did they EVOLVE?

    Yeah, trick question, but rather than requiring an answer, its just there to make you think...

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  54. wondering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they small enough to wrap in bacon?

  55. Perfect. So... by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

    Perfect. Now all we need to do is shrinkray the patient and medical staff, implant the minature liver and regrow them.

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  56. Why should that exclude miniaturization? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    and miniature chiantis?

    How many people know that line and have no idea what Chianti is? (an Italian wine, BTW)

    Say hello to my little friend!

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  57. Blame Ronald McDonald. by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Blame Ronald McDonald.

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/246239/cultural_body_size_trend_japanese_women.html?cat=69

    Cultural Body Size Trend: Japanese Women Getting Curvier

    Japanese women aren't usually known for being curvy. The typical Japanese woman in most of our imaginations is stick thin and completely flat with no curves. The only option was for plastic surgery which is very common even for girls as young as twelve. They would get breast enhancements called 'gummi bears.'

    But recently more and more younger women are popping out with the natural "bon-kyu-bon" look meaning big breast, small waist and big hips. Now retailers in all major shopping districts rush to replace their clothing to fit a new generation of curvier women.

    Not so long ago most Japanese stores didn't even stock large sizes but recently more women have been complaining that the sizes in local stores are too small for them. This has made a big change in the clothing industry of Japan. Juicy Couture, known for its figure-hugging terrycloth tracksuits, opened one of its biggest stores in Tokyo last year. Tokyo's high-end Isetan department store, which used to relegate its bigger sizes to one corner, now prominently features larger items from designers such as Ralph Lauren, Diane von Furstenberg and DKNY.

    Before, the bras were the padded types. Now the best-sellers that are new to Japan are called "Love Bras," they show cleavage with less padding, meant for curvier women in their 20s.

    This could be good news for most Americans who often go to Japan. Before it was almost impossible to find sizes that fit westernized bodies but now bigger sizes are showing up in stores for people to buy.

    In the media more bustier women are popping out too. Before it was all about the cute and innocent look but recently pop stars such as Koda Kumi have been keep up with their fans and the other young adults by wearing sexy metallic bras and not much else.

    How do Japanese women physically differ than before? Today, the average Japanese woman's hips, at 35 inches, are around an inch wider than those of women a generation older. Women in their 20s wear a bra at least two sizes larger than that of their mothers. Waist size, meanwhile, has gotten slightly smaller, accentuating many young women's curves. The average 20-year-old is also nearly three inches taller than she was fifty years ago, according to government statistics, and the average foot has grown by nearly a quarter of an inch.

    Nutritionist point to the change in diet of women today. Before meals consisted of mostly fish and tofu but these days Japanese women are exposed to westernized foods consisting of red meat and dairy. All this extra protein and calcium has led to longer, stronger and fuller bodies. According to doctors the intake of extra fat tends to go to either breasts or hips in adolescent girls.

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