Are you claiming that people have children so that there will be someone to take care of them when they are older? So if we come up with self replicating robots who will take care of old people the species would die off?
64 bit OS, allowing >4GB memory? There were hacks, and there was XP64, but neither of those really count as solutions
I am typing this on xp x64. Why is this OS not a 'solution'? I find XP easier to use and my sound card works in it. The card doesn't have working drivers for Win7 or Linux.
They likely don't care about his well-being, and they are certainly not all that fussed about any kind of ideology or they'd have given him permanent asylum.
He didn't apply for permanent asylum. While I agree that it is highly unlikely that Putin or other politicians care what happens to Snowden the people who actually made the decision to grant him temporary asylum may. They are just regular government workers in whatever department makes such decisions. Presumably the Russian equivalent of the USCIS/INS. So the people responsible for actually making such decisions may not be sociopaths and may actually have genuine empathy for other human beings. They may genuinely not want to see this 30 year old guy spend the rest of his life in prison or even be executed just for embarrassing the US. I think most normal human beings would feel that way. I'm not sure why motive is so intensely important to the pro-government people, but the people actually granting the asylum may have had genuinely humanitarian motives, regardless of how Putin may personally feel about it.
A side issue: material classified by the US Government is by definition the property of the US Government...But, to retain material which they reasonably know to be - ah - misappropriated makes them knowingly in possession of stolen property..
You cannot own information. Information is not property. And even if it were property Snowden did not delete the files. He copied them. That means the government still has all of their precious information. No one took it from them. I would also argue that a government cannot have property rights. It cannot really own anything. A government exists to serve the people. Anything the government claims to own is really the property of every US citizen. It belongs to all of us. If anything the government is attempting to keep from us what is rightfully ours. We are the ones paying for all of that information.
Neither Obama and Putin wants to be in a room at a table for days, getting nothing done.
If they had nothing to talk about then maybe they shouldn't have scheduled a meeting in the first place. And Putin didn't cancel. Obama did. Shortly after Snowden was granted asylum.
Do you mostly surf porn sites? I find that something like 80% of web sites I browse display just fine without javascript. And the remaining 20% can often be substituted with equally good sites that do display without javascript.
Is it worth dying to be the first human ever to "walk" on a Jovian moon or really anywhere other than the moon? Maybe enough consumables could be brought to survive for at least a few years and really explore the place and send back images. And maybe there could be another kickstarter for a new mission to keep sending supplies every couple of years or something.
If it was just a routine "knock and talk" then why did they ask to search the home? Asking if you can come in to talk is one thing. Asking to actually search the home for explosive devices is another..
My experience does not concur with yours re female cops. I think you might have a blind spot.
Really? I'll be the first to admit that my evidence is anecdotal. Can you be more specific about the sort of thing you are talking about? Are we talking about female cops beating people up and/or killing or attempting to kill people and then framing the victims? That sort of thing? I don't think I've seen any police brutality clips on youtube with female cops beating someone, but then I haven't searched for that specifically.
I'm not sure I would go so far as to call it an abuse of police power, but it definitely should not have happened. Why? Because a google search is not sufficient evidence to warrant even the trouble to drive over to someone's house. Anyone who has even the slightest clue about how to behave around the police would know to shut the fuck up, refuse any searches and call a lawyer as soon as possible. That is what should have happened here and then the police should have simply walked away. A google search is not probable cause for an arrest. Of course hiring a lawyer because you are a terrorist suspect will cost money. So this fishing expedition by the police does cause harm to someone who has done nothing wrong.
I didn't take it as sarcastic. I actually have very little problem with the professionals knowing I smoke a joint once and awhile.
Then you should contact the DEA immediately and let them know. They will cut you a deal if you give up your supplier. And they will cut him a deal to get his supplier and so on. I can guarantee that the professionals at the DEA will appreciate your call.
Just because the police say something doesn't make it true. The inclusion of "bombs" could be a CYA strategy. Not that I think searching for "pressure cooker bombs" is worth investigating anyway. It's pretty silly to investigate every suspcious sounding google search.
Perhaps my experience lies in actually working with police, instead of reading about it on CNN.
Well that does clear things up for me. So you are simply biased. In my experience police are violent, corrupt, sadistic, completely amoral, sociopaths who lie constantly and often under oath, beat or even kill people they dislike or anyone who tries to stand up for their human rights, and routinely make false accusations about their victims resulting in some of them in prison because a cop beat them up and needed an excuse for it. Judges and juries tend to believe the cops over their falsely accused victims. Also, the few good cops that do exist will nearly always cover for the bad ones even if the crime they are covering up is a rage inspired murder. In my case I believe that one of those good cops saved my life by pulling the enraged cop off of me before he strangled me to death. But of course that same cop would not defend me from the false accusations.
I would love to actually meet at least one male cop in the US who does not have a thug/bully personality and who actually has a sense of right and wrong independent of the law. I'd just like to know that at least one of them actually exists. OTOH I am too afraid of the police to ever have anything to do with one. My natural instinct when I see one is to run for my life just as I would when encountering any other armed and extremely violent gang member with no sense of right or wrong and with no fear of punishment for anything they might do.
Female cops seem to mostly be okay. Which leads me to the belief that our horrible police in the US are due to something about our culture that mixes with testosterone and produces monsters on a large scale.
For example, how long would it take a real engineer to figure out on his/her own how to build a fuel air bomb? Probably just a few hours.
Are we talking about a guy who drives a train or someone with an engineering degree? I have a degree in Electrical Engineering (common terrorist profile I know), and I would have no idea how to go about building a fuel air bomb. That's chemistry or chemical engineering.
If I wanted to build one I'd google it first, but with all this Google paranoia I'd probably use Tor or an unsecured/WEPed wifi connection to do so until I can get out of this insane country. Then I'll be free to google anything I want. 9/11 has turned us into a country of pathetic cowards. It's really quite sad.
I just googled "building centrifuge purify U238" and "natural sources U238" and "plans building nuclear weapon". So in your vision of an ideal society, I would soon get a visit from the FBI asking to search my, uh, home? Other than terrorism I could be just curious about such things. I guess it is fairly predictable how the "war on terror" ends up being more of a "war on curiosity".
After this story I think I'm going to go driving around with a laptop looking for unsecured or WEPed wifi and run a program that does 1000 searches with all kinds of variations of suspicious sounding search strings for every different kind of bomb and poison and mass murder scheme. Googling something is not probable cause. It is not evidence of criminal activity. It is just a google search.
The bigger problem, I think, is this notion that a terrorist attack happening is a failure of the police and intelligence services. In the end, its such a needle in a haystack sort of problem that its entirely unreasonable to think they can ever be prevented, therefore any acceptance of that reasoning that starts with they should be able to catch it, inevitably leads to excessive measures, and guarantees more excessive measures later WHEN the next one happens.
And if the guy clams up and refuses to allow the police to enter or search his home, as he should have done, what then? If this had happened to me the first thing I would have done is hire an attorney and have him do all the talking for me, which likely would be something like "my client is innocent of any crime".
No. That is only a slight waste of resources. What is a huge waste of resources is chasing down everyone who ever googled for information about a bomb and searching their home.
It sounds as if you have a grudge and may commit an act of violence against someone. You may be a terrorist or someone considering acts of terror. I am going to call the FBI and ask them to find the IP address which posted message# 44456019 and pay you a visit at your home.
You will of course allow them to search your home right? You aren't going to force the poor fellows who are just doing their job to get a search warrant, are you? Just cooperate with the authorities and everything will be okay. There are secure hospitals where you can be treated for your violent thoughts and urges.
This comment really surprises me coming from you. Usually you seem to be on the side of good, and of liberty and privacy and presumption of innocence. You seem to be looking at things from the POV of society. I look at things from the POV of the individual, of the innocent victim of such searches. Of course in this particular case the victim was complicit in the violation of their own rights. So I have little sympathy for them.
But in a case where a search warrant is granted when it should not have been because the probably cause was pretty slight I think the victims should be compensated for the mistake. A google search should never, ever, ever be probable cause for a search of someone's home or car. The lack of permission in the constitution itself, as well as the first and fourth amendments should be protecting us from overly suspicious people invading our privacy because of something we said or wrote. An important part of the freedom of speech is that what we say, especially in an environment with at least some expectation of privacy, should not result in persecution by our government. The NSA could easily set up a system to send FBI agents with a signed search warrant, to the home of everyone who searched google for something like, "how to build a nuclear weapon". That is not the kind of society I want to live in.
The fact that it was a work associate who contacted the FBI instead of the NSA does not improve matters in my view. Such calls should simply be ignored. I have little doubt that millions of people every day search for things that other people would find suspicous. The fact that another citizen is suspicious of me does not give the government any additional rights to violate my rights. Unfortunately American society is becoming a place where we are all each other's enemies, working as government informants against each other, potentially bringing down the wrath of government agents down on us with their groundless suspicions. This case should never have happend. The FBI should never have searched anything based on a google search. That is just stupid and a huge waste of resources that would be better spent protecting citizens from real crimes. Ones with actual victims. The government agents in this case should be fired or at least demoted.
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Or maybe they could just create more food?
Are you claiming that people have children so that there will be someone to take care of them when they are older? So if we come up with self replicating robots who will take care of old people the species would die off?
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64 bit OS, allowing >4GB memory? There were hacks, and there was XP64, but neither of those really count as solutions
I am typing this on xp x64. Why is this OS not a 'solution'? I find XP easier to use and my sound card works in it. The card doesn't have working drivers for Win7 or Linux.
They likely don't care about his well-being, and they are certainly not all that fussed about any kind of ideology or they'd have given him permanent asylum.
He didn't apply for permanent asylum. While I agree that it is highly unlikely that Putin or other politicians care what happens to Snowden the people who actually made the decision to grant him temporary asylum may. They are just regular government workers in whatever department makes such decisions. Presumably the Russian equivalent of the USCIS/INS. So the people responsible for actually making such decisions may not be sociopaths and may actually have genuine empathy for other human beings. They may genuinely not want to see this 30 year old guy spend the rest of his life in prison or even be executed just for embarrassing the US. I think most normal human beings would feel that way. I'm not sure why motive is so intensely important to the pro-government people, but the people actually granting the asylum may have had genuinely humanitarian motives, regardless of how Putin may personally feel about it.
A side issue: material classified by the US Government is by definition the property of the US Government...But, to retain material which they reasonably know to be - ah - misappropriated makes them knowingly in possession of stolen property..
You cannot own information. Information is not property. And even if it were property Snowden did not delete the files. He copied them. That means the government still has all of their precious information. No one took it from them. I would also argue that a government cannot have property rights. It cannot really own anything. A government exists to serve the people. Anything the government claims to own is really the property of every US citizen. It belongs to all of us. If anything the government is attempting to keep from us what is rightfully ours. We are the ones paying for all of that information.
Neither Obama and Putin wants to be in a room at a table for days, getting nothing done.
If they had nothing to talk about then maybe they shouldn't have scheduled a meeting in the first place. And Putin didn't cancel. Obama did. Shortly after Snowden was granted asylum.
Do you mostly surf porn sites? I find that something like 80% of web sites I browse display just fine without javascript. And the remaining 20% can often be substituted with equally good sites that do display without javascript.
This sounds like it is more than just risking your life. It is sacrificing your life for the chance to see Europa and to attempt a landing there.
Is it worth dying to be the first human ever to "walk" on a Jovian moon or really anywhere other than the moon? Maybe enough consumables could be brought to survive for at least a few years and really explore the place and send back images. And maybe there could be another kickstarter for a new mission to keep sending supplies every couple of years or something.
If it was just a routine "knock and talk" then why did they ask to search the home? Asking if you can come in to talk is one thing. Asking to actually search the home for explosive devices is another..
My experience does not concur with yours re female cops. I think you might have a blind spot.
Really? I'll be the first to admit that my evidence is anecdotal. Can you be more specific about the sort of thing you are talking about? Are we talking about female cops beating people up and/or killing or attempting to kill people and then framing the victims? That sort of thing? I don't think I've seen any police brutality clips on youtube with female cops beating someone, but then I haven't searched for that specifically.
I'm not sure I would go so far as to call it an abuse of police power, but it definitely should not have happened. Why? Because a google search is not sufficient evidence to warrant even the trouble to drive over to someone's house. Anyone who has even the slightest clue about how to behave around the police would know to shut the fuck up, refuse any searches and call a lawyer as soon as possible. That is what should have happened here and then the police should have simply walked away. A google search is not probable cause for an arrest. Of course hiring a lawyer because you are a terrorist suspect will cost money. So this fishing expedition by the police does cause harm to someone who has done nothing wrong.
I didn't take it as sarcastic. I actually have very little problem with the professionals knowing I smoke a joint once and awhile.
Then you should contact the DEA immediately and let them know. They will cut you a deal if you give up your supplier. And they will cut him a deal to get his supplier and so on. I can guarantee that the professionals at the DEA will appreciate your call.
Just because the police say something doesn't make it true. The inclusion of "bombs" could be a CYA strategy. Not that I think searching for "pressure cooker bombs" is worth investigating anyway. It's pretty silly to investigate every suspcious sounding google search.
Perhaps my experience lies in actually working with police, instead of reading about it on CNN.
Well that does clear things up for me. So you are simply biased. In my experience police are violent, corrupt, sadistic, completely amoral, sociopaths who lie constantly and often under oath, beat or even kill people they dislike or anyone who tries to stand up for their human rights, and routinely make false accusations about their victims resulting in some of them in prison because a cop beat them up and needed an excuse for it. Judges and juries tend to believe the cops over their falsely accused victims. Also, the few good cops that do exist will nearly always cover for the bad ones even if the crime they are covering up is a rage inspired murder. In my case I believe that one of those good cops saved my life by pulling the enraged cop off of me before he strangled me to death. But of course that same cop would not defend me from the false accusations.
I would love to actually meet at least one male cop in the US who does not have a thug/bully personality and who actually has a sense of right and wrong independent of the law. I'd just like to know that at least one of them actually exists. OTOH I am too afraid of the police to ever have anything to do with one. My natural instinct when I see one is to run for my life just as I would when encountering any other armed and extremely violent gang member with no sense of right or wrong and with no fear of punishment for anything they might do.
Female cops seem to mostly be okay. Which leads me to the belief that our horrible police in the US are due to something about our culture that mixes with testosterone and produces monsters on a large scale.
For example, how long would it take a real engineer to figure out on his/her own how to build a fuel air bomb? Probably just a few hours.
Are we talking about a guy who drives a train or someone with an engineering degree? I have a degree in Electrical Engineering (common terrorist profile I know), and I would have no idea how to go about building a fuel air bomb. That's chemistry or chemical engineering.
If I wanted to build one I'd google it first, but with all this Google paranoia I'd probably use Tor or an unsecured/WEPed wifi connection to do so until I can get out of this insane country. Then I'll be free to google anything I want. 9/11 has turned us into a country of pathetic cowards. It's really quite sad.
If it were me, I wouldn't be making a press release on every terrorist I caught
Just don't be surprised when the average citizen thinks you aren't accomplishing anything and that there aren't any real terrorists
I'd quietly take them into custody and interrogate the shit out of them.
Ah. Yes. Torture. Very nice.
I just googled "building centrifuge purify U238" and "natural sources U238" and "plans building nuclear weapon". So in your vision of an ideal society, I would soon get a visit from the FBI asking to search my, uh, home? Other than terrorism I could be just curious about such things. I guess it is fairly predictable how the "war on terror" ends up being more of a "war on curiosity".
After this story I think I'm going to go driving around with a laptop looking for unsecured or WEPed wifi and run a program that does 1000 searches with all kinds of variations of suspicious sounding search strings for every different kind of bomb and poison and mass murder scheme. Googling something is not probable cause. It is not evidence of criminal activity. It is just a google search.
The bigger problem, I think, is this notion that a terrorist attack happening is a failure of the police and intelligence services. In the end, its such a needle in a haystack sort of problem that its entirely unreasonable to think they can ever be prevented, therefore any acceptance of that reasoning that starts with they should be able to catch it, inevitably leads to excessive measures, and guarantees more excessive measures later WHEN the next one happens.
This is an excellent point. +10 insightful.
And if the guy clams up and refuses to allow the police to enter or search his home, as he should have done, what then? If this had happened to me the first thing I would have done is hire an attorney and have him do all the talking for me, which likely would be something like "my client is innocent of any crime".
No. That is only a slight waste of resources. What is a huge waste of resources is chasing down everyone who ever googled for information about a bomb and searching their home.
There are many horrible human beings out there
It sounds as if you have a grudge and may commit an act of violence against someone. You may be a terrorist or someone considering acts of terror. I am going to call the FBI and ask them to find the IP address which posted message# 44456019 and pay you a visit at your home.
You will of course allow them to search your home right? You aren't going to force the poor fellows who are just doing their job to get a search warrant, are you? Just cooperate with the authorities and everything will be okay. There are secure hospitals where you can be treated for your violent thoughts and urges.
This comment really surprises me coming from you. Usually you seem to be on the side of good, and of liberty and privacy and presumption of innocence. You seem to be looking at things from the POV of society. I look at things from the POV of the individual, of the innocent victim of such searches. Of course in this particular case the victim was complicit in the violation of their own rights. So I have little sympathy for them.
But in a case where a search warrant is granted when it should not have been because the probably cause was pretty slight I think the victims should be compensated for the mistake. A google search should never, ever, ever be probable cause for a search of someone's home or car. The lack of permission in the constitution itself, as well as the first and fourth amendments should be protecting us from overly suspicious people invading our privacy because of something we said or wrote. An important part of the freedom of speech is that what we say, especially in an environment with at least some expectation of privacy, should not result in persecution by our government. The NSA could easily set up a system to send FBI agents with a signed search warrant, to the home of everyone who searched google for something like, "how to build a nuclear weapon". That is not the kind of society I want to live in.
The fact that it was a work associate who contacted the FBI instead of the NSA does not improve matters in my view. Such calls should simply be ignored. I have little doubt that millions of people every day search for things that other people would find suspicous. The fact that another citizen is suspicious of me does not give the government any additional rights to violate my rights. Unfortunately American society is becoming a place where we are all each other's enemies, working as government informants against each other, potentially bringing down the wrath of government agents down on us with their groundless suspicions. This case should never have happend. The FBI should never have searched anything based on a google search. That is just stupid and a huge waste of resources that would be better spent protecting citizens from real crimes. Ones with actual victims. The government agents in this case should be fired or at least demoted.
Nobody gives a shit if the authorities are respectful and don't break your shit,
I would. If I have done nothing wrong I expect my privacy to be respected regardless of what other peoples nutty suspicions may be.