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Hacker Faces 105 Years In Prison After Blackmailing 350+ Women
redletterdave writes "According to the 30-count indictment released by the Central District of California, 27-year-old hacker Karen 'Gary' Kazaryan allegedly hacked his way into hundreds of online accounts, using personal information and nude or semi-nude photos of his victims to coerce more than 350 female victims to show him their naked bodies, usually over Skype. By posing as a friend, Kazaryan allegedly tricked these women into stripping for him on camera, capturing more than 3,000 images of these women to blackmail them. Kazaryan was arrested by federal agents on Tuesday; if convicted on all 30 counts, including 15 counts of computer intrusion and 15 counts of aggravated identity theft, Kazaryan could face up to 105 years in federal prison."
Seriously, that's it. I'm out of words.
But no doubt he'll take the plea bargain and spend a mere 1% of that in a low security prison, just like Aaron was supposed to.
You are lost in a twisty maze of little standards, all different.
Am i the only one who is confused by the wording of the summary?
Now, now - let's not rush to justice until we've had a chance to see the evidence.
"Good things don't end with eum, they end with mania or teria." - H. Simpson
Someone messed up...
When they grabbed his computers! UUUCH The keyboards most likely had stuck keys.
I have no problem with this type of scum getting some sort of jailtime. The question is, does the punishment fit the crime? I do not believe that this person will get anywhere near 105 years, especially if there are no priors. Before passing judgement, I think I will wait for a conviction. Is there a precedent for this type of crime with the same kind of scale to it?
Protip: don't post nude or semi-nude pictures of yourself anywhere unless you want people to see them. It might be fun to tease people, but its probably better to do that in person.
Just like in the Anthony Wiener scandal, the clear bit of advice to come out of this: Never, ever, ever transmit pictures of yourself over a computer network with fewer clothes on than you'd wear in public.
I'm sure some people find that kind of thing fun, but the simple fact is that the damage is greater than getting many STDs.
I am officially gone from
Pictures or it didn't happen!
Here's a better pro-tip:
Don't blackmail people, or you will raped in prison for the rest of your pathetic life.
Although 105 years is excessive and the insane US legal system is clearly broken. I think 5 years is perfectly adequate. And of course paying the rest of his life for restitution to his victims.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Relevant comic about the US Justice System: http://www.pereanu.com/comic/us-justice-system/
Because there are two worlds colliding here in the mind of the average person.
The school of thought that the victim is always at least partly responsible for being conned. There's a sense of superiority a lot of people get when they hear about scams where, because they themselves would never fall prey to a scammer, anyone who does is deficient or incautious.
Anyone charged with a crime involving a computer for more then Solitaire, porn, and recipe hunting must be guilty.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.
This man is a true hero of our time. Oh i like them boobies so much.
105 years jail for nudie pics.
If he did this in New Zealand and raped the women as well he'd be out of jail in 5 years.
You can (allegedly) blackmail and arguably sexually assault/harass 350 women and get 105 years (1year plea deal?) in jail.
Download information in violation of a TOS and you're eligible for 50 years (6months plea deal) in jail?
Am I the only one who see's a problem with this? A theoretical life sentence for breaking a TOS, and harming no one. A longer theoretical life sentence for blackmail and harassment of 350 individuals.
I would normally expect that term from Fox News, but even Gizmodo won't call this pervert a "hacker".
Guys pretending to be girls on the internet? Say it isn't so... Once upon a time I got involved in some rooms on yahoo (back when they existed and had a sense of community) and made friends with a girl who was a regular there - I'd show for her on cam occasionally - "she" didn't have a cam, but talked on mic (I didn't realize you could use a pitch shifter on it). This went on for a while then "she" started getting bossy about it and I refused to do it anymore. Next thing I know, "she" announces to the room that "she" is a he and he fooled us all. He had been recording the cam stuff and uploaded some videos to some porn sites. Luckily I was pretty much just topless in them and not ashamed of my body, but that was the day I decided no more cam. As to those saying how stupid the women are, I would have no issue flashing my boobs at a girlfriend in person or on a cam - based on the story it seems to me that's how he did it and then kept pushing things to get more and more compromising images of them. I unfortunately am jaded and now assume that most females I talk to online that are into girls are just men.
In America, we understand the difference between "potential sentence" and "has not even had a trial yet, nevermind a conviction".
105 years would be the extreme maximum and has virtually no chance of happening. The truth is that there is no specific law for this exact crime, so they charge him with every crime that it could fit under. After that, a judge and jury (or plea bargain) is used to reduce it to a punishment that, ideally, fits the crime.
So get off your damned "America sucks because I prefer to cling to a fantasy of how I think they are rather than understanding how they are" horse. Because we laugh at you when you tout that.
An ethical approach to justice wouldn't even consider incarceration for non-violent crimes. The ethical approach would focus on restitution to the victims, rather than submission to authority.
That ship sailed long ago. Coincidentally, our system of 'due process' is basically one massive blackmail racket. If things operated as intended it would be an invaluable tool for the courts and the defendants to provide a win/win. In our completely perverted system charges are trumped up to the maximum (even completely fabricated) levels to force a plea.
He's scum. He preyed on innocents without remorse and deserves punishment. And yet you're going to give him more jail time than he'd get for MURDER?
I hate that I have to stand beside him and say this is wrong. I hate that I have to support someone so despicable. I hate that the flawed system actually makes me support people like Gary Kazaryan.
And yet it's something I must do.
We don't.
It may be covered by the state's peeping tom laws. Which would classify it as a sex crime.
All he had to do is pretend to be one of their female friends? Forget the con part. He was able to find 350 women who didn't think it was all that peculiar that one of their friends wanted them to video Skype naked. Who knew?
I really hope they find some way to stick this guy with a lengthy sentence and find some nice PMITA prison for him - so he can be the victim ... hopefully repeatedly.
Specially if is basically free already, probably there are hundreds of nude fotos of lookalikes for each of those women. Giving him a year for coercing, could be justifiable. Giving the same punishment as stealing with violence is more debatable. For more than drunk driving put a lot of people's lives at risk? For more time that actually killing someone?
In the other hand, people that pushed a lot of women (far more than 150) into full prostitution because losing everything with their banking games, gets bailed out and no punishment.
...or it didn't happen.
You know what's really outrageous? If he'd raped someone his proposed sentence would have been much less. The fact that the number of the times a crime is committed can outweigh the severity of the crime seems a bit off-kilter to me.
An ethical approach would reward people for *NOT* sexually exploiting and blackmailing people. Haven't they ever trained an animal? Punishment doesn't work.
I didn't murder anyone today. The government better give me my treat, or I might forget to not do that tomorrow!
Get off your high horse. The 105 years quoted is pure bs. The min/max guidelines in federal court were overturned years ago but people just keep quoting them. This guy will do some time but he'll see the light of day in plenty of time to enjoy life as an ex-felon with something like zero prospects of ever living a productive life with a decent job again. That's the real tragedy here.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
I remember back in the "AOL days" when you could actually cyber quite easily just by typing the girl an arousing tale and showing her your magic wand, and if someone did take pics/videos, no one ever shared them. Then guys like this came along and ruined the whole thing. Now I have to actually communicate with women in person and fear getting an STD and/or fertilizing her eggs. It takes more effort and less single women (AOL was like fishing with dynamite in a barrel made out of fish filled to the brim with fish), but I find that summoning an arousing tale as a whisper in her ears and pulling my pants off still works *most* of the time. "Naked Man" works 2 out of 3 times guaranteed. There's no reason to resort to what this guy did.
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He's a sociopath. He does not possess the basic human foundations of emotion and empathy which allow him to see these women as anything more than objects for him to manipulate to his own ends. He violated them as surely as if he had physically assaulted them. That he committed his crimes with a computer is irrelevant. He can't be fixed. He is exactly the kind of person that we WANT taken out of society. And, to compare him to Aaron Swartz is a peak of intellectual dishonesty.
Everyone will suddenly feel irrationally sympathetic for him and he can get the prosecutor lampooned in the national media.
Oh wait, because his victims are women, rather than entirety of the global publishing system, his crime is loathsome and detestable.
Love double standards for justice. This guy deserves every second he gets, as would Aaron Swartz have deserved the two years he would've gotten off with.
Seriously, what do you propose as a penalty, or do you propose no penalty?
At some point, when dealing with a group of people on legal issues, you have to have some comprimise. There are amongst us, people who think selling coffee that is "too hot" is criminally negligent. There are others that assume that hot coffee is hot and the buyer is responsible for taking appropriate care after the sale. The law is going to have to establish a common understanding, so that everyone knows what the rules are, even if they don't agree with them.
Taking this to the computer world, there are people that feel they should be able to use their computer, in peace, without having other using it, scaring them into doing stupid things, etc. And people who think anything online is theirs if they can take it or trick someone into giving them access. Are you taking the position that you must understand every way someone can be tricked into doing things in order to use a computer? This seems to be a pretty high bar.
I personally prefer a more "tricking people is bad" whether it involves dodgy product labeling (as by MS in another article on Slashdot), or by jackasses trying to get women to take off their clothes. In this case, I'm thinking something along the lines of 1 month per violation (given that the extent of the damage is embarassment).
I'd like to hear specific ideas from people - either "what he did should be legal" or "what he did should merit punishment along these lines". People saying they are outraged without making specific suggestions aren't really helping.
Further, if MURDER is the standard (you can't do worse than murder, right?) it severely limits what you can do with financial mismanagement, et.al. After all, surely Bernie Madoff isn't WORSE THAN A MURDERER. And if we're talking ruined lives, how do you judge ruined?
So, let me get this straight...
This shmoe could face up to 105 years because of "XX" number of counts of the exact same crime.
By that way of thinking, each perpetrator of the LIBOR fixing scandal committed acts which affected millions or perhaps billions of people. Shouldn't THEIR sentence be something then on the order of millions of years of prison?
And yet, NOT ONE person is going to go to jail for LIBOR. Aaron committed suicide over his potential 50 years, for downloading some crap, but LIBOR guys are going to have their banks pay a small fine, they are still going to get their bonuses, corner offices, mansions, Ferraris, Yachts and hot babes in bikinis.
Dude, if your going to commit a crime, think big -- as in "too big to fail", "too big to prosecute" -- Frankly, if Lance Armstrong had just been Lance Armstrong Bank, he'd still have all his medals, and everyone would still be doing business with him, because they'd have no choice.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Slashdot being sexist again. "Sex offender? Must be a man...! Can't possibly be a woman."
Even though half of all cases of sexual abuse are women abusing men. Especially among children.
Face it, sexists: It was a woman!
Wait, he posed as a friend and convinced 350 women to send nude pictures?
That... that just doesn't seem possible.
My cheese filter is going off.
https://www.accountkiller.com/removal-requested
Well, yeah. He gets jail-time because he did this over a hundred times. Just like the sentence for multiple-homicide is different than a single incident, this is a cumulative sentence for all the charges.
How come I never think of cool stuff like that.
he's being charged for 30 separate counts. If a person were to rob a 30 banks, you wouldn't let them roll all of the sentences into one.
Pics or it didn't happen.
But if people can't quote the theoretical max, how are they going to nerd rage over Swartz and his FIFTY YEARS!!!11 instead of a more realistic 18 months.
What would of happened if these were men rather them women.
for all the Tits or GTFO guys now?
The HSBC money laundering case is another good one: That bank was caught laundering billions for drug lords, and there will be no jail time for anybody involved.
I am officially gone from
which is problematic because that's how it should have been in the first place. Put the guy in jail for a yr or two. No need for us to support him in jail for 100 yrs. Craziness.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
of prosecutorial over zealousness. First Aaron, now this guy.
And hold the rotten eggs and veggies for a moment please, But... two things. 1.) These women should have known NOT to keep naked pics of themselves on ANY internet connected device, cloud services (email, image hosting, etc.), or anything that could be hacked in general. I'm not going to go as far as saying that they asked for it, but, nothing is 100% secure, if it's something you don't want out in the public, then either A. don't take those kinds of pics, or B. keep them secure. 2.) And this is just my personal view on another matter, why do chicks in the US fear being naked and exposed in public? In most of Europe, they couldn't give a squat. But here, for some reason, it's super taboo, it makes no sense to me. Okay, commence the stoning now.
My 2 cents.
Yet again a report of someone facing huge prison time by calculating a consecutive rather than a concurrent sentence. He was charged with 30 counts for two different offenses with a total of 105 years. That averages out to 3.5 years per count. Assuming one of the crimes has at least 1 year sentence the other must have at most a 6 year sentence. So if the sentences are served concurrently he would get at most 6 years in prison.
Stop reporting consecutive sentences that are unrealistic.
"he posed as a friend and convinced 350 women to send nude pictures".
This tells a lot about these women. Haha
This is the same "type" of crime, being committed across multiple instances/timeframes/victims.
If somebody breaks into your house today, your neighbours house tomorrow, etc. That's going to be several counts of a given crime (though often pled down).
I agree that the LIBOR guys should be going to jail for a long time though, and Aaron was more the result of the wrong charge overall (wiretap, really?) to exaggerate a crime.
Sung to well-known Limp Bizkit song....
"He did it all for the lookie!, The lookie, the lookie.
So you can take that cookie and stik it up your YEAH.
Stick it up your YEAH!
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Not if he's charged appropriately based on the evidence. Being charged with a crime, even an odious one such as in this case, shouldn't give a prosecutor free reign to try to make an example of someone and screw up their entire life even if they win the case.
Just remember in the US, going as much as 1MPH over the posted speedlimit is punishable by up to 1 year in jail.
I have seen women get blackmailed before with the threat of their nudes being leaked by their ex bfs. I've seen women blackmail dudes over pictures they sent of their cocks, taboo perverted fantasies, or cheating on their wives. I have seen girlfriends and boyfriends use the threat of suicide to keep a leash on their partners as well as using the threat of leaking dirty secrets. These scenarios are VERY common. Why is this one guy being singled out? Because he has hundreds of victims?
There are probably millions of victims from hundreds of thousands of blackmailers doing the same or worse. This guy is being singled out probably to bring precedent or as a test case. If they can convict him of 100 years in prison then there are a million others just like him all who can be convicted the same way.
And unlike the whole pedophile hysteria which are more akin to the red scare I think this is a real problem. Blackmail is a real threat and in most of these scenarios there isn't a way to catch the hackers involved. It's one of the trades of blackhats,which also include identity threat, entrapment, swatting.
If something is truly secret it would be wise not to put it on the internet or tell anyone.
Your nudes aren't a secret the moment you transmit them to someone else. Black hats are literally waiting to sniff that stuff out of the air or off of the network. They will impersonate your ex gf or bf to get your nudes. They will even pretend to be your friend or your bf, get your nudes or make a sex tape and use that against you.
None of this is new. These tactics are old hat. The guy in this particular case didn't cover his tracks but black hats of more sophistication usually do. How can we stop Anonymous or some other hacker group from finding our nudes and blackmailing us with it? They have the passwords to all our accounts already and unlike this guy they wont be found.
The only way to be truly safe is to filter what you are willing to upload. If it's truly something which could ruin you then you shouldn't put it on the internet. The internet has changed for the worst when it comes to privacy and it doesn't matter if its the whitehat or blackhat side, neither side respects your privacy.
If he gets 105 years in prison he should call himself lucky. By the time he can leave prison, all of those who'd like to kick his balls in are already dead.
...or it didn't happen!
By the number of people here that, a) Don't understand whee the number 105 came from and how little bearing it has on actual sentencing (hint, there's a reason it's divisible by 15) and b) The number of people that clearly wish they had been able to do what this guy did.
If FaceBook provided a 1-Button account shutdown option for situations like this, one the commanded verfication for restart from a second email address, it would go a long way to providing some measure of security from 3rd party abuse. It might also provide some evidence that they actually cared about the population from which their market capitalization emanates.
ok i know this guy is obviously a scumbag and deserves to be locked up for a while.... BUT.
whats up with this aggrevated identity theft charge? did heshe fill out password reset forms and thats how they can charge him with this, or was heshe actually stupid enough to try and collect these identities? i demand answers and more than 3'rd grade reporting.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1028A
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1028
the term “means of identification” means any name or number that may be used, alone or in conjunction with any other information, to identify a specific individual, including any—
(A)#----> name ------#, social security number, date of birth, official State or government issued driver’s license or identification number, alien registration number, government passport number, employer or taxpayer identification number;
(B) unique biometric data, such as fingerprint, voice print, retina or iris image, or other unique physical representation;
(C) unique electronic identification number, address, or routing code; or
(D telecommunication identifying information or access device (as defined in section 1029 (e));
I'd make an exception for this idiot.
Yes, I DO know it is not a capital crime. And I think an exception
should be made in that regard as well.
That's right, let's just execute this piece of shit and rid the
earth of his sorry ass.
Does everybody in the world these days have a large stash of naked photos of themselves and strip for their friends of Skype?
People can get away with murder and face less time. Either the punishment for murder and violence needs to go WAY up or the punishment for things like this needs to go down. I'm all for this guy getting punished and put in prison, but up to 105 years for hacking and getting some naked pics of girls over a webcam seems excessive.
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an ex-felon with something like zero prospects of ever living a productive life with a decent job again.
So he's going to end up like you? Unemployed, buying hot pockets with food stamps, trolling slashdot, and writing shitty Android apps? That IS a tragedy!
This guy should run if he gets the chance. He is seriously fucked. If he was smart enough to pull this off, why was he not smart enough to do it anonymously from public or unprotected wifi or even an internet cafe? Well, unless he did and the FBI have the wrong guy.
The FBI has a huge hardon for any kind of ToS violation crime or really any sort of GeekCrime, and I bet the FBI agent assigned to this case was a pissed off female with an axe to grind. How dare he trick girls into giving him naked photos!
He'll almost certainly be found guilty of the computer intrusion and is likely to be found guilty of the extortion as well, depending on how specific the wording of the federal law is about the monetary nature of any gains. He at least didn't ask for money.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
... and zero conscience.
Deserves to be looked up, and don't bother to hang on to the keys.
There are ethical hackers (heros really) like Aaron Swartz and then there is this kind of scum.
I run a web site that usually goes pretty far to protect civil liberties. I'm for net neutrality. I'm for shorter copyrights and patents (20 years ought to be enough for anybody). There is quite a bit about the human condition I'm able to tolerate. Here comes the BUT! Kiddie porn and blackmailing people over the net like this are two things that will send me running to the authorities with wild offers to help bring the rat bastard in. He is facing over 200 years in prison. Its not like there is going to be hard labor involved, its not like honey and fire ants are going to be part of the operation. 200 years. Call us when you see the light of day. Be sure its him. Be absolutely sure. He didn't kill anyone, but he did it to a lot of people. With a rationalizing judge, he will get out in 15-25 years. If he's 25 now, he will be 50 when he's out. On the other hand, if he pisses the judge off, he could be out when he's 75. He could even die in jail. Things he can think about rotting in jail.
It's all part of the full-employment effort for the legal profession. Lawyers run for office, get elected, and write lots of extremely complex laws that allow any lawbreaker to be charged with dozens of offenses. Lawyers-in-robes (judges) who run the courts, rule in favor of all the legal complexity. Lawyers working for the defense negotiate with lawyers for the prosecution to arrive at "settlements" (lots of "billable hours" for everybody in all of this). The lawyers love being able to earn a living without spending all their time, you know, actually doing the legal work they were trained to do.... instead they play a game that's more like poker (but where their clients are the poker chips). The only person in all this who ends-up not happy is the scared defendant who, realizing that the lawyers have rigged everything so that their profession always wins, pleads guilty to a lesser-offense because he is afraid to risk being found guilty of worse. Ask the guy who was recently released from jail in California after it was admitted he was sent to jail (shortly after high school) for a rape he never comitted (but which his lawyer convinced him to accept as part of a plea bargain .... "take it kid, it's the best chance you've got"); he lost the best years of his life and his dreams of playing pro football.
I'm sorry, but how can we be happy having this form of behavior covered by serious criminal laws? THINK!
Should porn be illegal, because a porn star, later in life, might find herself humiliated by her earlier career choices. Should pre-marital sex be illegal because some young women take many lovers, and find their lives damaged when some in society label them as 'sluts'?
We are talking about adult women, of their own accord, stripping in front of a webcam, because people, when enjoying privacy in a room associated with sexual activity, allow their libido to do the thinking for them. Here's an idea. Let's handle this situation like we did with 'gays'- eliminate the stigma over nudity and sex, so 'blackmail' becomes useless and redundant.
The alternative, as technology makes naked pictures ever more commonplace, is to ramp up the penalties for increasing numbers of activities associated with how naked pictures of adults come to be made, and the uses they are then put too.
For instance, do you want major jail time for someone who shows a friend that intimate video of him and his wife making love? Where are you morons going to draw the line? You either go 'all taliban' over this, and play the "everyone is a victim- think of the victim" card, or you expect adults to 'man up' and take some responsibility for their own lives.
A decent society has as few laws as possible. An insane society takes pride in how many new laws get added to the books each year, and ensures the penalties for existing laws are made more severe over time, with the depraved fantasy that the best way to eliminate crime is to have everything illegal, and every illegal act pushed in the most draconian way.
If an adult gets naked in front of the webcam, and lives to regret it, take the damned webcam away from the idiot! Don't instead slippery-slope us into the police-state future world of "Demolition Man". It is GOOD that people suffer minor pain when they act like morons. This is the only factor that makes a lot of people grow up in life.
any grannies involved?
There are computer "crimes" like what Swartz was hounded and driven to suicide over, and then there are actual crimes committed with a computer. If that asshole never sees dailight again, great.
So you think if Adolf Hitler had been captured, he should have been left out after 25 years, so in 1970 you would have opened the door to his jail and let him walk away free. Oh but wait, would he have gotten time of for good behavior? Nowadays it can rise to as much as 2/3 of the sentence in some countries because jails are full.
Your are bleeding heart who just wants to ignore victims because they are icky and bleed all over the criminal. The 105 year POSSIBLE maximum sentence is there to stop excesses like Norway where a mass murderer can really only be made to do time for ONE murder.
The simple problem is that our legal system in Europe really only works with non-criminals. It is setup on the idea that if the police caution you, you listen. It can't deal with habitual criminals who see a 2nd chance as chance to this time, not get caught! When you realize that for crimes like rape, in Belgium the conviction rate is 1% and yet recidivism rate (which doesn't track re-offend rate but re-convict rate) is 70%, you got to learn to accept that people don't learn.
Bleeding hearts always gush on how about the 3rd strike rule in the US sentences people to life behind bars for stealing cookies. They FORGET to mention that said people already committed TWO violent crimes and then often STRAIGHT out of jail, were caught AGAIN. And remember, arrest and conviction rates are NOT 100%. If a rapist has been convicted TWICE and then is caught doing something again. Chances are very high that in reality he committed many more crimes for which he was not convicted.
I for one do believe SOME people deserve a second chance IF they earned it and a second chance is all you get. I wouldn't even have three strikes. Once chance. Next time, throw away the key.
It is easy to bleed all over the criminal. Remember a documentary about some nun who assisted people on death row. She was very compassionate but did her utmost best to avoid dealing at all with the relatives of the victim because that might influence her... yeah... learning the guy you are crying for beat a child to dead ignoring her cries for mercy tends to do that.
Bleeding hearts think prison is a correctional service. It is not. It is punishment. It is a very heavy stick with a tiny carrot and many criminals don't want the carrot. Removing the stick isn't going to solve anything. The most shocking thing is that the crime rates between different countries don't really differ all that much. Oh... there are statistical differences but if for instance a country decided to not count something as an offense, you can't really use such crimes. For instance, Holland has decriminalized possession of weed but NOT production. The US has criminalization possession so a LOT of people are in jail extra but you can't really count them OR you would ALSO have to acknowledge somehow in your figures that Washington has now legalized pot.
Ultimately, at the end of the day, jail rarely works for rehab because those who enter into it often already did many crimes before that went unreported or didn't result in a conviction and at most you can get them to wish to avoid being caught again. The 3 strike rule shows just how few criminals can even be convinced that maybe after two jail terms, it is wiser to not offend again. And they don't, when a guy is sent down for life for stealing cookies, you can blame the system but you got to accept that you are dealing with a person who knowing full well that he risks life in prison, still couldn't keep his hands of a roll of cookies.
The bleeding hearts are full of compassion and care (for the criminal, never the victims) but they never have a solution. The majority of people simply don't want revolving door criminals.
You can tell a bleeding heart because they talk in dogma's. "At some point you have to give SOME redemption". Why? How many times?
This guy HAD 350 changes to STOP. He didn't have to continue. He could at any point have walked away. He didn't. THAT is why he faces a life time in jail, because he had HUNDREDS of second chances and didn't take them.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Yeah, I am sure that was the reasoning behind that Norway mass murderer, "oh well, can't get more then 20 years, might as well keep shooting".
Criminals are criminals because they don't think about anyone, not other people and not themselves. Prison is NOT there to stop criminals, it there to STOP non-criminals from becoming criminals and to punish criminals.
It is the passing a traffic jam on the emergency lane. If one person does it and get away, other will feel they have to do it to or feel a fool. BUT if you see that person getting a ticket, you feel vindicated for simply waiting till the jam resolved itself. Society needs to see those who break the rules be punished for it or it will stop obeying the rules. The "me too" mentality is how society breaks down, it is how mobs form and how gang cultures spread.
See drug dealers. If you see a drug dealer as a pathetic individual at constant risk of being send to jail and get his ass pounded, you stay with your boring regular paying job. But if you see a drug dealer as a self-made man with more money then you can dream off, you want to be part of his gang.
It ain't nice but society rarely is but punishment is about getting all the little grain stalks to stay neatly in line by showing them what happens to a grain stalk that gets out of line. Culled like a weed.
And it works... it ain't nice to say but for all the libertarians cry for freedom, how many have actually emigrated to regions with no government? How many of us have moved into a Ghetto where you ain't hassled by the police at night because there is no police at night? Making the daily commute with its eternal traffic jams is a lot easier to put up with when that guy speeding across the emergency lane gets his car impounded. It isn't noble but then who is? Slam the first sheep over the fence in jail and the rest will remain happy in their field and not get run over on the road.
If you want to be depressed, read up on rehabilitation projects and research across the globe. NONE WORK. When talking success rates, they are talking a few percentage difference on recidivism rate, the most deceitful statistic EVER. Remember that recidivism ONLY tracks CONVICTIONS, that make it INTO the records of a person.
Person rapes at 16, records cleared at 18, rapes again. Not a recidivist.
Person rapes again, crime is not reported. Not a recidivist. Not investigated. Not a recidivist. Not prosecuted. Not a recidivist. Not convicted. Not a recidivist. In Belgium, in recent news, it became clear that conviction rate for reported rapes is 1%. Yet even with that LOW LOW LOW figure, recidivism rate is the near universal 70%. What are the chances the remaining 30% are at least party accountable for the remaining 99% of rapes that were reported, let alone the far higher number that went unreported.
Person gets convicted and sent to jail. First day in jail, he is counted as a full NON-recidivist. Every day out of jail he is not convicted, he is counted as a FULL NON-recidivist. If arrested, charged and prosecuted and found guilty all the time UP to actually sentencing and that sentence being recorded, he is counted as a FULL non-recidivist. (Dutch NOS news site had a funny example of this, they reported that 2012 had the lowest amount of murders... by a whole person less then in 2011, but then 2 more murders were committed in the closing days of 2012. hey did NOT redact the article in anyway, you can still find the claim that 2012 had a record low number of murders in their archives with nowhere a correction).
Peron moves to another country and rapes there and is convicted and sentenced, link is NOT made and he continues to be counted as a non-recidivist.
People will try to dazzle you with figures about crime rates and rehabilitation because it is a gigantic business and NOT just in the US. But from country to country, from system to system, the figures remain the same once you start accounting for accounting errors. With recidivism it gets really depressing just
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
This is extortion and invasion of privacy.
A real meatspace comparison would be like rummaging through someone's personal photo's, finding nudes ones and using those to force the victims into stripping for you while you secretly video tape them, under the threat of mailing copies of the photos to everyone in their Rolodex.
It's 2013 already. Everyone owns a computer. Just because someone uses "hacking" to commit their crimes doesn't mean Slashdot should stand by them.
Well, Holland has decriminalized pot. And prostitution is legal and gambling is well regulated and barely an issue. So... are our courts free? Nope.
You see there is a tiny problem in the world. The bleeding hearts don't want to send anyone to jail and the right wingers don't want to pay for it. The first act of VVD/CDA with support of PVV was to close 3 jails. Next government VVD/PvDA closed yet more.
A legal system is expensive and NOBODY wants to pay for it. And the overburnded systems as they are ALREADY legalize a LOT of stuff, stolen bike in Amsterdam? Fill in a form, nothing will be done. Alarm goes off in an office block with a video link showing the burglars still inside. Police tells the caretaker to go take look. Check your local system, for every budget increase there are ten cutbacks. All so we can have more and more managers telling us the system ain't working at outrageous salaries rather then cops on the streets and judges on benches.
A working society is an expensive society and the best way to get elected is to promise tax cuts. That got to conflict sooner or later.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
He didn't extort the women for faster hardware? He really deserves to rot in jail.
This is one of the few cases where an extreme sentences can be justified. It's cases like these those laws OTT were meant for.
punk got what he deserved. what a lowlife