I'm running SuSE 8 with a 4600 and no issues in 3D gaming or desktop, including WineX 2 windows games.
After downloading the latest nvidia drivers via YOU, I went to/usr/lib and made sure that libGL.so was a link to libGL.so.1 and that libGL.so.1 was a link to/usr/lib/GL/currentnvidiaglxbinary.
Then re-run Sax2 and it detects a 4600. Make sure glx is the only 3D module loaded. voila. I still got the OS warning me, as I ran tuxracer, that there was no 3D support. But there WAS, and tuxracer sprang to life in full 3D despite the OS's disbelief.
I'm afraid I can't give you empirical proof, I just installed and used the product. I'm on SuSE 7.3 and have been using the 641c build of OO for a few months. It is clearly a mod of OpenOffice, if not for the splash screen, load times and stability I wouldn't think it was a different product. No doubt its faster on my system though. AMD 1.33ghz, 512MB DDR RAM.
OpenOffice, while a great suite and a step towards a consistent, competitive linux office suite...is a DOG. It takes forever to open on high end PC's and its stability is not its strong point.
SOT Office loads MUCH faster and is far more stable. Looks like SOT streamlined and bug fixed the hell out of OpenOffice. It looks like its just a rebranded OO641c, but its much better, I just deleted Open Office from my drive and I'm keeping SOT.
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I got my copy on Friday, the 19th, delivered to New York in the US. I've already been wooping it up with transgaming's WineX 2.0, on my geforce 4600 ti. The thing I miss most is the Yast1 package manager. Ag great ascii based menu tool that you could run at a CLI. I used it via ssh on server's all the time.
Aside from the missing (and missed) Yast1, 8.0 is solid. I've had no issues, it comes with all the latest and greatest packages and online update is always a boon.
and I've owned at least 12 of those cards!!!
Voodoo1 (Diamond Monster)
Voodoo1 Canopus (Extram memory)
Voodoo 2 12 MB
then a 2nd Voodoo 2 12MB for SLI!!!
By the time I had the SLI I was using a
TNT1 (Velocity 4400) for my 2D card and when I got my
TNT2 I ditched the Voodoo setup.
Couldn't resist the Voodooo3 card though but it didn't hold up to my
TNT2 Ultra or the
Geforce 256 32MB
or even the
Geforce 256 64MB DDR RAM
I gave the Voodoo 5 5500 a try, it was so....big,
but it wasn't as good in Open GL as my Geforce 2 GTS 64MB,
my subsequent
GF 2 Ultra,
Geforce 3
or my current
Geforce 3 Ti 500.
No, there's no Geforce 4600 on the way yet...
Of course as Director of IT, many of these cards were aquired via "extended burn-in" testing in my home machine's to make sure they were "Work Safe".
Now when is Dell gonna bundle the Geforce 4 4600 in its new Dimension's....?
IMHO of course. Actually Mandrake is great. There's no such thing as the "best" distro, whatever works for you. I think SuSE is getting limited acknowledgment 'cause you can't download the ISO's. It is free to copy and you can install via ftp if you'd like.
SuSE's YOU (Yast Online Update) and Yast package manager seem far easier to newbie's than Mandrake's equivalent. (haven't tried urpmi, which looks good).
You can get SuSE Pro version for $49 bucks including the full DVD and 8 CD's if you buy the "update" version (full without manuals).
Some may still prefer Mandrake, but really TRY SuSE. It'll surprise you. I know quite a few Windows "power user" discussion boards where people try Mandrake (as of 8.1) and come back swearing off linux for good. These are the same people that change winXP themes twice a day. SuSE is just easier to get going in 3D gaming (if you've got nvidia at least), make online system updates (as easy as windows updating) and 8.0 comes with KDE3. I've been running KDE3 beta 2 on my 7.3 PC since its release and I'm amazed at how quick and stable it is.
If SuSE actually tries to start requiring licenses (mentioned online somewhere today) than I'll be bailing the distro pretty quickly though. Until then I've found my linux distro.
While I do build systems, I'm not a reseller, so my pool of reference is rather limited, nonetheless, I find the Soyo Dragon+ AMD board to be the best MB I've ever purchased. Frankly, it wasn't until I read this thread that I realized that ACPI enable/disable was not an option. While I certainly frown on the lack of the option for the sake of an XP logo, this board is teriffic for linux. I've been using it for 4 months with an AMD 1.33 Ghz cpu, 512MB of DDR and a Geforce3. Nary an issue. The onboard audio is very high quality, and coupled with a solid onboard NIC, I use only a single slot (AGP for video), the rest are empty.
While my SuSE 7.3 machine can't take advantage of IDE raid, I can use the 4 IDE ports to give my hard drive, zip, cd-rw and DVD each their own port with no master/slave port sharing.
The machine is a triple boot with win2k (yes, serious sam doesn't run on linux so sue me) and red hat 7.2 and I've yet to have ANY stability issues. The 3rd boot option (rh7.2) has been blown off many times and recently had lycoris, mandrake 8.2 beta 2 and debian installed just for poking around, but no distro even skipped a beat.
My headless samba server in the closet is a slot 1 Soyo board and its had an uptime of over 6 months without a reboot, and that was so I could blow off win2k and install linux/samba!
Soyo boards used to be great, yet underrated. I have heard many resellers complain about the returb rate of recent Soyo boards, and I don't doubt its true. I've been lucky though, and if your board isn't defective, you won't have any complaints. linuxhardware.org gave the soyo dragon+ the nod in their rig of the year article (plugged here on/.) and I used the board for my article on linuxorbit.com (blatant plug) detailing the install config of a basic suse 7.3 machine (for newbie's only).
I've used only Abit and Soyo boards for the last 9 years, but this dragon+ is a great performer if your OS (not *BSD i suppose) supports the hardware.
Well, I just installed the beta on my SuSE 7.3 workstation, without issue. KDE3 is much snappier, it feels much mpore crisp when opening apps, windows, etc. It has apparently better font rendering. Kpilot, while unfinished, I can tell is much improved in terms of feature and interface, next up is to actually test it with my USB Visor.
Konquerer file manager has much more solid support for multimedia previewing/viewing within the file manager window. As a browser, Konquerer still crashed and burned on my Chase banking web site, so Mozill 0.96 is still the way for me. It seems faster as well in KDE3, albeit initial startup is still a bit slow.
I've been using Evolution 1.0 for mail, and it still works fine in KDE3. I still cannot cut and paste an URL from an Evolution email into my Mozila browser.
KMail looks a bit more fine tuned and launches quicker than before, I have yet to test its use though.
KDE3 it seems is primarily an architecture shift to QT3, but the results are impressive in the feel and response. Visually, while a bit cleaner, its the same KDE that you already either like or not.
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Hmmmm.... SuSE has supported the hpt370 controller with 7.2 out of the box. Not with RAID though. That controller is software RAID, the drivers tell the OS how to write to the "RAID" arrays. Highpoint has come out with linux drivers, but even if you get them to work, the linux read/write method to use RAID is different from the Windows driver method. Thus you wouldn't be able to read your windows raid partitions from your linux partition.
If you just want the ability to install the OS on that controller, sans RAID, its already there.
As for change of install, sounded like they were rolling the Progeny's (R.I.P.) finer points into debian vanilla, so in time the GUI install method from progeny should be an option for plain ole debian.
Linux Journal wrote a piece about X windows, specifically advocating ATI for actively supporting development of open source Radeon linux drivers. As of the printing (on stands now), LJ purported that other vendors, nvidia and matrox, only developed closed source linux drivers. Eric Raymond took a knock at closed drivers, wondering whether you wanted proprietary closed code so close to the kernel.
So what...?
Well, ATI is the only possible challenger to nvidia (matrox isn't in the stratosphere), its a business, they ain't all bad, and frankly, using "reprehensible" to describe a game specific driver tweak is a bit overzealous. If you don't like their drivers, hack the source, nvidia won't even give you the chance.
I've been running a SuSE linux/WinXP dual boot for months. Prior to that I was running a win2k/Suse machine/ No problem. Install windows first, leaving space (preferably unallocated disk space not in a partition). Install linux. Done. I'm using lilo as the boot loader with no problems.
Frankly, Suse even lets you easily re-establish control over the boot loader if you install windows second. Using Suse, you install it on your WinMe Dell. Dual booting etc. You get XP and delete winme, install XP. Woah, your boot loader was taken over by XP, no longer allowing access to linux. No problem. Boot off the Suse CD, choose install, and pick the "boot installed system". It will locate and boot your linux install. Then from within suse, open up their very nice config tool (Yast2) and tell it to re-write LILO to the MBR. Done. SuSE rocks, you won't be using XP much.;)
I like this idea, but why not take it another step?
What tux needs is a linux based console platform. Is someone could bang out a set top box based on linux, with all the networking and multimedia support that the OS already offers, create a strong gaming API (perhaps SDL) and a developer's kit. With no licensing required to write games or use the tools. If console game developer's could decrease their licensing overhead by writing to to a linux platform with a solid API, they could get interested real quick. Of course, these console games could run on linux desktops with minimal porting work as they already run on a linux based console. The tuX box? Sound possible?
I've got a Dell (which I believe is an OEM branded RIO) version of this. The drawback is that it can only talk to windows shares, and needs to have a server demon listening for the receiver on your windows storage machine. I've got a win2k box as my MP3 storage server. Wanted to ditch it for a while, as I use Suse linux for my desktops. The dell runs via TCP and its very nice to have all my music accessible at a few twists of the control knob. I use the Win2k PC to play DVD's, as I bought a Hollywood decoder card with digital audio out, it comes with a remote, so I could keep the win2k machine headless, park it next to my stereo/tv and play CD's MP3's and DVD's.
Much as I'm drawn to move to a Samba supported solution, I think I'll hold off. I need a box that can play DVD's as well. If the Turtle beach unit had a DVD/CD player built in, I'd be first in line. And my win2k MP3 storage machine would be heading to a well deserved reformat in favor of linux.
SuSE puts out a very nice mail server product (I'm running our 40 user office on it) using Cyrus IMAP, LDAP and IMP web access. So easy, all our netscape users get LDAP access via their netscape address book so our mail lists are centrally administrated and current.
Upon ordering their server, I got a quick call from Suse customer support asking for input about things I'd like to see in their future products and asking for feedback regarding any problems I may have. Very responsive.
Their linux distro is current and top notch. I've been using it exclusively for 6 months. The Yast utilities can make things VERY easy for newbies, but you can stick to the CLI and completely forego the Suse utilities entirely.
I believe that they're getting major funding from IBM and Intel so those outfits can get into the server room on the IA-64 cpu's.
Here's hoping this distro has legs...
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I'm running SuSE 8 with a 4600 and no issues in 3D gaming or desktop, including WineX 2 windows games. After downloading the latest nvidia drivers via YOU, I went to /usr/lib and made sure that libGL.so was a link to libGL.so.1 and that libGL.so.1 was a link to /usr/lib/GL/currentnvidiaglxbinary.
Then re-run Sax2 and it detects a 4600. Make sure glx is the only 3D module loaded. voila. I still got the OS warning me, as I ran tuxracer, that there was no 3D support. But there WAS, and tuxracer sprang to life in full 3D despite the OS's disbelief.
I'm afraid I can't give you empirical proof, I just installed and used the product. I'm on SuSE 7.3 and have been using the 641c build of OO for a few months. It is clearly a mod of OpenOffice, if not for the splash screen, load times and stability I wouldn't think it was a different product. No doubt its faster on my system though. AMD 1.33ghz, 512MB DDR RAM.
OpenOffice, while a great suite and a step towards a consistent, competitive linux office suite...is a DOG. It takes forever to open on high end PC's and its stability is not its strong point. SOT Office loads MUCH faster and is far more stable. Looks like SOT streamlined and bug fixed the hell out of OpenOffice. It looks like its just a rebranded OO641c, but its much better, I just deleted Open Office from my drive and I'm keeping SOT.
I got my copy on Friday, the 19th, delivered to New York in the US. I've already been wooping it up with transgaming's WineX 2.0, on my geforce 4600 ti. The thing I miss most is the Yast1 package manager. Ag great ascii based menu tool that you could run at a CLI. I used it via ssh on server's all the time.
Aside from the missing (and missed) Yast1, 8.0 is solid. I've had no issues, it comes with all the latest and greatest packages and online update is always a boon.
and I've owned at least 12 of those cards!!! Voodoo1 (Diamond Monster) Voodoo1 Canopus (Extram memory) Voodoo 2 12 MB then a 2nd Voodoo 2 12MB for SLI!!! By the time I had the SLI I was using a TNT1 (Velocity 4400) for my 2D card and when I got my TNT2 I ditched the Voodoo setup. Couldn't resist the Voodooo3 card though but it didn't hold up to my TNT2 Ultra or the Geforce 256 32MB or even the Geforce 256 64MB DDR RAM I gave the Voodoo 5 5500 a try, it was so....big, but it wasn't as good in Open GL as my Geforce 2 GTS 64MB, my subsequent GF 2 Ultra, Geforce 3 or my current Geforce 3 Ti 500. No, there's no Geforce 4600 on the way yet... Of course as Director of IT, many of these cards were aquired via "extended burn-in" testing in my home machine's to make sure they were "Work Safe". Now when is Dell gonna bundle the Geforce 4 4600 in its new Dimension's....?
IMHO of course. Actually Mandrake is great. There's no such thing as the "best" distro, whatever works for you. I think SuSE is getting limited acknowledgment 'cause you can't download the ISO's. It is free to copy and you can install via ftp if you'd like. SuSE's YOU (Yast Online Update) and Yast package manager seem far easier to newbie's than Mandrake's equivalent. (haven't tried urpmi, which looks good). You can get SuSE Pro version for $49 bucks including the full DVD and 8 CD's if you buy the "update" version (full without manuals). Some may still prefer Mandrake, but really TRY SuSE. It'll surprise you. I know quite a few Windows "power user" discussion boards where people try Mandrake (as of 8.1) and come back swearing off linux for good. These are the same people that change winXP themes twice a day. SuSE is just easier to get going in 3D gaming (if you've got nvidia at least), make online system updates (as easy as windows updating) and 8.0 comes with KDE3. I've been running KDE3 beta 2 on my 7.3 PC since its release and I'm amazed at how quick and stable it is. If SuSE actually tries to start requiring licenses (mentioned online somewhere today) than I'll be bailing the distro pretty quickly though. Until then I've found my linux distro.
While I do build systems, I'm not a reseller, so my pool of reference is rather limited, nonetheless, I find the Soyo Dragon+ AMD board to be the best MB I've ever purchased. Frankly, it wasn't until I read this thread that I realized that ACPI enable/disable was not an option. While I certainly frown on the lack of the option for the sake of an XP logo, this board is teriffic for linux. I've been using it for 4 months with an AMD 1.33 Ghz cpu, 512MB of DDR and a Geforce3. Nary an issue. The onboard audio is very high quality, and coupled with a solid onboard NIC, I use only a single slot (AGP for video), the rest are empty. While my SuSE 7.3 machine can't take advantage of IDE raid, I can use the 4 IDE ports to give my hard drive, zip, cd-rw and DVD each their own port with no master/slave port sharing. The machine is a triple boot with win2k (yes, serious sam doesn't run on linux so sue me) and red hat 7.2 and I've yet to have ANY stability issues. The 3rd boot option (rh7.2) has been blown off many times and recently had lycoris, mandrake 8.2 beta 2 and debian installed just for poking around, but no distro even skipped a beat. My headless samba server in the closet is a slot 1 Soyo board and its had an uptime of over 6 months without a reboot, and that was so I could blow off win2k and install linux/samba! Soyo boards used to be great, yet underrated. I have heard many resellers complain about the returb rate of recent Soyo boards, and I don't doubt its true. I've been lucky though, and if your board isn't defective, you won't have any complaints. linuxhardware.org gave the soyo dragon+ the nod in their rig of the year article (plugged here on /.) and I used the board for my article on linuxorbit.com (blatant plug) detailing the install config of a basic suse 7.3 machine (for newbie's only).
I've used only Abit and Soyo boards for the last 9 years, but this dragon+ is a great performer if your OS (not *BSD i suppose) supports the hardware.
Well, I just installed the beta on my SuSE 7.3 workstation, without issue. KDE3 is much snappier, it feels much mpore crisp when opening apps, windows, etc. It has apparently better font rendering. Kpilot, while unfinished, I can tell is much improved in terms of feature and interface, next up is to actually test it with my USB Visor. Konquerer file manager has much more solid support for multimedia previewing/viewing within the file manager window. As a browser, Konquerer still crashed and burned on my Chase banking web site, so Mozill 0.96 is still the way for me. It seems faster as well in KDE3, albeit initial startup is still a bit slow. I've been using Evolution 1.0 for mail, and it still works fine in KDE3. I still cannot cut and paste an URL from an Evolution email into my Mozila browser. KMail looks a bit more fine tuned and launches quicker than before, I have yet to test its use though. KDE3 it seems is primarily an architecture shift to QT3, but the results are impressive in the feel and response. Visually, while a bit cleaner, its the same KDE that you already either like or not.
Hmmmm.... SuSE has supported the hpt370 controller with 7.2 out of the box. Not with RAID though. That controller is software RAID, the drivers tell the OS how to write to the "RAID" arrays. Highpoint has come out with linux drivers, but even if you get them to work, the linux read/write method to use RAID is different from the Windows driver method. Thus you wouldn't be able to read your windows raid partitions from your linux partition. If you just want the ability to install the OS on that controller, sans RAID, its already there. As for change of install, sounded like they were rolling the Progeny's (R.I.P.) finer points into debian vanilla, so in time the GUI install method from progeny should be an option for plain ole debian.
Linux Journal wrote a piece about X windows, specifically advocating ATI for actively supporting development of open source Radeon linux drivers. As of the printing (on stands now), LJ purported that other vendors, nvidia and matrox, only developed closed source linux drivers. Eric Raymond took a knock at closed drivers, wondering whether you wanted proprietary closed code so close to the kernel. So what...? Well, ATI is the only possible challenger to nvidia (matrox isn't in the stratosphere), its a business, they ain't all bad, and frankly, using "reprehensible" to describe a game specific driver tweak is a bit overzealous. If you don't like their drivers, hack the source, nvidia won't even give you the chance.
I've been running a SuSE linux/WinXP dual boot for months. Prior to that I was running a win2k/Suse machine/ No problem. Install windows first, leaving space (preferably unallocated disk space not in a partition). Install linux. Done. I'm using lilo as the boot loader with no problems. Frankly, Suse even lets you easily re-establish control over the boot loader if you install windows second. Using Suse, you install it on your WinMe Dell. Dual booting etc. You get XP and delete winme, install XP. Woah, your boot loader was taken over by XP, no longer allowing access to linux. No problem. Boot off the Suse CD, choose install, and pick the "boot installed system". It will locate and boot your linux install. Then from within suse, open up their very nice config tool (Yast2) and tell it to re-write LILO to the MBR. Done. SuSE rocks, you won't be using XP much. ;)
I like this idea, but why not take it another step? What tux needs is a linux based console platform. Is someone could bang out a set top box based on linux, with all the networking and multimedia support that the OS already offers, create a strong gaming API (perhaps SDL) and a developer's kit. With no licensing required to write games or use the tools. If console game developer's could decrease their licensing overhead by writing to to a linux platform with a solid API, they could get interested real quick. Of course, these console games could run on linux desktops with minimal porting work as they already run on a linux based console. The tuX box? Sound possible?
I've got a Dell (which I believe is an OEM branded RIO) version of this. The drawback is that it can only talk to windows shares, and needs to have a server demon listening for the receiver on your windows storage machine. I've got a win2k box as my MP3 storage server. Wanted to ditch it for a while, as I use Suse linux for my desktops. The dell runs via TCP and its very nice to have all my music accessible at a few twists of the control knob. I use the Win2k PC to play DVD's, as I bought a Hollywood decoder card with digital audio out, it comes with a remote, so I could keep the win2k machine headless, park it next to my stereo/tv and play CD's MP3's and DVD's. Much as I'm drawn to move to a Samba supported solution, I think I'll hold off. I need a box that can play DVD's as well. If the Turtle beach unit had a DVD/CD player built in, I'd be first in line. And my win2k MP3 storage machine would be heading to a well deserved reformat in favor of linux.
SuSE puts out a very nice mail server product (I'm running our 40 user office on it) using Cyrus IMAP, LDAP and IMP web access. So easy, all our netscape users get LDAP access via their netscape address book so our mail lists are centrally administrated and current. Upon ordering their server, I got a quick call from Suse customer support asking for input about things I'd like to see in their future products and asking for feedback regarding any problems I may have. Very responsive. Their linux distro is current and top notch. I've been using it exclusively for 6 months. The Yast utilities can make things VERY easy for newbies, but you can stick to the CLI and completely forego the Suse utilities entirely. I believe that they're getting major funding from IBM and Intel so those outfits can get into the server room on the IA-64 cpu's. Here's hoping this distro has legs...