Mandrake 8.2 Available

Jester998 writes "Linux Mandrake 8.2 is out! Check out the official annoucement or head off to your closest mirror to grab the ISO images. The release is bound to be amazing, with the return of kernel-secure, a 65MB minimum install, hotplug device support, encrypted filesystems and more!"

Comments

mirrors?

[Anonymous Coward]

the closest mirror to me in Missouri wasn't updated last time I checked (about 5 minutes ago)

Re:mirrors?

[friedmud]

I don't use Mandrake - but I think my school in Missouri already has it mirrored.

Try here

Derek

Re:mirrors?

[friedmud]

Nope - that directory had the rc1 files in it try this directory instead - it looks like the real deal.

Sorry,
Derek

Re:mirrors?

[skithund]

ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrak e/iso/

Re:mirrors?

[Progoth]

Crap!

I had gotten into my head a couple of minutes ago (as I was updating tons of packages) that "hey! 8.2 should be out....I'll just upgrade." little did I know that the /. effect would spoil my plans....

gatech's mirror isn't updated yet, either....so things are gonna suck.

oh well:(

(if I weren't broke I'd be the first in line to actually buy the distribution)

Re:mirrors?

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't download that one. It's not complete. In fact I've noticed that lately UMR has been in the habit of only providing partial iso's. They've been getting lazy here.

Re:mirrors?

[pigfoot]

http://ftp.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw/pub/Mandrake/mandrake -iso/
ftp://ftp.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw/pub/Mandrake/mandrak e- iso/

Re:mirrors?

[Anonymous Coward]

the 8.2 distro is the same as 8.2RC1 - or at least the MD5's are identical for all the disks so try one of the servers which had 8.2RC1 on it's working fine oin my machine

Mandrake

[alfredo]

I just hope I can get my printer to work with this distro

Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Lumpy]

not that redhat 7.2 is bad , it's nice .. but really dated... they still only allow up2date go to 4.2.9 while 4.2.17 was out for mostly forever and super stable, and now 4.2.18 is even better (I can use my internal Jaz scsi again!!!!) but no.. redhat users are still crippled with running 4.2.9.

I was very impressed with the 8.2 betas... time to throw this puppy into the production environment!

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[davereed]

or you COULD compile it yourself...
=)

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Anonymous Coward]

Dyslexics of the world untie !!!

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[forrest2000]

"they still only allow up2date go to 4.2.9 while 4.2.17 was out for mostly forever"

Wow! 4.2.9 is much better than the 2.4.19-pre3 I found on ftp.kernel.org.

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Anonymous Coward]

It's a time warp thing......

He's got a copy of windows 2005 (aka spankin') too...

sorry, gotta dig on obvious typos!

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Lumpy]

OK... OK.... beat me with the clue-by-four... I knew something didnt look right... and I clicked post anyways...

I think the problem is that I cut coffee out of my diet this week... my brain is in withdrawl...

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Anonymous Coward]

RH does a lot of QA on their kernels; also note that the now-infamous VM change happened with kernel 2.4.10

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Anonymous Coward]

flamebait?? what frixcking retard moterated this as flamebait? Wow slashdot sucks for moderation lately...

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Anonymous Coward]

You have nothing to loose besides your spellchekker.

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Anonymous Coward]

cause it looks like he's trying to get people to flame him with "the kernel is in 2.4.x not 4.2.x", and, whuddaknow, people did.

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Anonymous Coward]

The Red Hat 2.4.9 kernel has LOTS and LOTS of patches; it's not simply the release Linus kernel. More like 2.4.14 with the older (but patched VM).

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[mike_edukonis]

compile your own if you want to update

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[buysse]

Assuming that you actually mean 2.4.9, Redhat patches holy hell out of the kernels that are shipped.

Besides that, linus switched to a new VM in 2.4.10, which doesn't work as well. The new VM actually doesn't pass internal testing at Redhat without failing, or so I've read. Last I knew, they used the Cerberus test suite that was originally developed by VA (*back when they actually sold hardware instead of having a questionable business model based on advertising on /.).

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[TV-SET]

If you are looking for fresh software opposite to very well tested, then there is always a rawhide directory for you. AFAIK, those things are for the next version of RedHat distribution.

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[Anonymous Coward]

OK... OK.... beat me with the clue-by-four...

We would, but then you might need a Waaaaaaaaaambulance. ;)

Re:Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer"

[adamized01]

After some hardcore reviewing of mandrake 8.2 on my part I would say it is very cool, definitly worth the switch from RH7.2

Included in this release are several cool things -
Awsome games, xawtv, filesystem encryption, and more than I could remember to list here.

A word of caution though, don't leave a gl screensave running overnight, they will lockup your system.

At first I thought it was the apm daemon...

A portrait

[AirLace]

A portrait of the Mandrake user from a collection of Linux User Caricatures:
This chap (baby) is the new distro on the market(compared to the others anyway). He is always seen as a new lunix user hence the baby look, and the distro is regarded as one best for beginners to learn who might be migrating from windows to linux.

Re:A portrait

[Lumpy]

Problem is that the Gazette article that had those was very lacking... Slackware pre-dates all of them and is considered the true hackers distro due to the fact taht it requires a much higher understanding of the underlying apps and systems (No neato-self config or gui click and drool interfaces... dont get me wrong, I like to click and drool from time to time)

If you are serious about linux and power you use Slack.. all the other are just candy coated slackware...

BTW, I still have a CD of the first linux distro Yggdrasil... you dont hear of that one anymore..

well as my Leet rant finishes up I might as well do the same as the rest and put in a list of props and shouts .....

Nahhhh... that's for lamers....

I'll go back to my hole now..

Re:A portrait

[Anonymous Coward]

I'll go back to my hole now..

you and the BEOS users both.

Re:A portrait

[athakur999]

There's nothing in Mandrake stopping you from downloading tarballs, figuring out your dependencies, compiling, etc.

If you want to be leet with Mandrake, feel free...

Anyway, Slackware has lost it's leet status now that Gentoo is here. Slack coddles you too much by providing binaries... ;)

Re:A portrait

[ethereal]

Although, if you want to be 'leet on Mandrake and re-arrange the default menus, be prepared for Mandrake to blow away your changes every once in a while. That's my biggest complaint with Mandrake - if I get rid of the umpteen half-broken apps so that my wife isn't confused by all the choices, then I don't need Mandrake adding them back in :)

So from the "stays where I puts it" standpoint, Mandrake isn't entirely 'leet enough.

Re:A portrait

[Anonymous Coward]

Wooo cool If I'm considered an idiot by you then that is the best compliment I could have ever have..

Thanks! Please call me a Mother f***er or dewwb..

better yet.... call me stupid...

as everyone knows WHO you are (easy to deduce from your language style...) and knows that if you're against it then it must be good... Like john kats..

if kats hates it it must be good!

so you ahd Katz are in the same camp!
congrats!

Re:A portrait

[Otter]

I had to laugh at:
Suse Geek: I see the suse geek as a young guy, usually from germany who might have blond or red hair and with plenty of freckles. Not quite the hacker yet and not old enough to be taken too serious yet in the corporate arena.

...having just seen this picture of the recent KDE 3 hackfest.

Re:A portrait

[Aceticon]

Beter yet ....

Slackware installed from floppy disks - Now THAT's a treat form masochists^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hard core Linux users.

Re:A portrait

[Sunda666]

so what?

i'm a mandrake user and the first thing I do is to get rid of KDE and GNOME (well, not really get rid, since they still sit there) and use plaing enlightenment as my WM. Then I customize some shortcuts to launch apps (yeah, I can count on my fingers the apps I use : powershell, kwrite, netscape, staroffice, xmms... lemme think... gnomeicu and gkrellm. the rest I invoke from commandline from time to time)

So, that weird mandrake's rebuilding menus do not bother me much.

Btw, pr0pz to the Mandrake team. 8.1 was good enough, and if tradition applies here, 8.2 will kick ass, as every .2 version did ;-)

cheers.

Re:A portrait

[Wolfier]

I still use Slackware.

In the current state, if you keep using the GUI tools to play with your system, your system WILL break one day.

I won't say it won't break if you play with it with vi, but at least it is easier to fix, because at least you could have made a log of what you've done.

Until it is certain that the GUI config stuffies won't mess my system up no matter how I use them, I'll stick with vi.

And no, I don't want to use a bit of both. Be consistent and you'll stay away from a lot of trouble.

Re:A portrait

[landoctor]

Is that true? I have been using Linux for a little while now and I still prefer Mandrake for it's "cool (l)user features". Does that make me lame?

Re:A portrait

[|<amikaze]

Ahh yes, Yggdrasil. Somewhere around here I have the Fall 94 release, and the install scripts dont even work :D. I eventually got it working, but it was very... cruel to me. Mind you, I was 11 years old when I first started trying to get it working, and my how things have changed. I'm a slackware addict, and it's not going to be changing!

Re:A portrait

[Anonymous Coward]

> not taking advantage of package management is
> plain stupid
>
Hmm, actually Slackware does, contrary to widespread opinion, a package management system. Which, btw., works quite well and is currently undergoing "evolutionary" improvements. It's a different approach than RPM but works nevertheless.
Check out http://www.linuxpackages.net/ for some examples of Slack packages...

Re:A portrait

[Anonymous Coward]

yes.

has to be better...

[DigitalGlass]

hopefully its better than 8.1 and its slowness.

Re:has to be better...

[axllent]

Maybe try another desktop manager. Gnome and KDE have become bloated, and with the help of Nautilus, it becomes unbearable :-( I switched to Window Maker... and wow, logs in within 2 seconds, instead of the usual 15 for Gnome

Re:has to be better...

[DigitalGlass]

I use blackbox. It performed at a decent speed, but after doing LFS(linuxfromscratch) ill never go back =)

Re:has to be better...

[Anonymous Coward]

hopefully its better than 8.1 and its slowness.

8.1? I'm still using the rock-solid 7.2. Hopefully this version is well enough behaved that I can finally upgrade.

Re:has to be better...

[EvilAlien]

Slow? Try throwing real hardware at it, Linux deserves more than an old p200

Re:has to be better...

[egreB]

But, but..

Linux was designed from the beginning, and still is, to be run on lousy hardware. I'm about to set up a Pentium 60MHz firewall/router/log-in-terminal, and I've seen people running that on 386's. By speaking like you, we only get bloatier, bigger and slower software, because "hey, I've got the hardware for it!" But have you ever tried running DOS with Windows 3.11 on a Athlon 1200? Blazingly fast! People knew how to work in Windows 3.11 as well, they just didn't have that kindergarden-look of WinXP. Keep the software small and fast, and the computers will run faster! Linux should run (and does) on Pentium 200s. It even runs fast, if you set it up correctly or use a small, fast distro (think Blackbox, few services - boots in 10 seconds). My favourite server distro in that matter is Trustix - small, fast and it works.

MHO, anyway..

Re:has to be better...

[Forrestina]

my cyrix 180 runs blackbox wonderfuly :)

and so does my thinkpad 240 (celeron 300), thinkpad X20 (p3 600) and a k6-2 400.

all shapes and sizes supported!

Re:has to be better...

[DigitalGlass]

real hardware? I never said anything about the hardware I was running. I am running on an athlon 1.1 ghz with 256mb of ram. More than enough to run linux. Mandrake 8.1 could be classified as bloatware, to some people this could be useful, it wasn't to me. Compared to LFS, its a snail. :-)

Re:has to be better...

[Anonymous Coward]

Linux is not slow.

Whatever distro you're using, don't feel constrained by what the distro maker happens to throw in by default. If you think KDE and GNOME are too slow, yank 'em out and toss in blackbox. If you don't have dma on, flip it on. Use dillo instead of navigator.

No distro is "slow". It might be "slow out of box", but you can mold it to be whatever you want.

Re:has to be better...

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, considering I still use a Coco3 with 128K running OS2 level 9....Everything is bloatware to me lol.

Re:has to be better...

[Anonymous Coward]

[Duncan on usenet, unregistered @ /.]

My Mdk-8.1 speed improved tremendously when I upgraded kernels and compiled my own. If U run KDE, the 2.2.1 in Mdk-8.1 was also slow, compared to 2.2.2, it is said. I never bothered upgrading KDE, though, but the kernel upgrade sure helped.

Since 8.2 runs on 2.4.18 kernel, and has the newer KDE, it should be much faster, at least assuming that speed difference was due to the kernel version, not something compiled in to the Mdk kernel that slowed it down, that I didn't need and so disabled in my compile.

Re:has to be better...

[Anonymous Coward]

Not everybody can affort this. My girlfriend for example is Filipines. In her coutry most people have that kind of hardware (or slower). It would be unfair if they couldn't use our wonderfull and free Mandrake-Linux.

SHhhhhh!

[chmod]

I was tinkering around and thought "Oh! MDK 8.2 should be available..." So I cruised over to /. and saw nothing there "Great!" methinks, I may be ahead of the flood.

So I started downloading. @ ~350KBPS, my usual best rate... This has been slowing and I can't figure why other than..... Did that @#$%!%! post something on /.?

Yup, story is posted.... sites are /.'ing

*sigh*
b

Re:SHhhhhh!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah I know what you mean, I regularly visit mandrakeforum.com and saw the 8.2 announcement. At that time there was no post on /., now my hopes of getting the ISO have gone down the drain. You /. bastards! ;)

Re:SHhhhhh!

[niftyeric]

I've always had great luck with ftp.software.umn.edu, but I can't remember if they have Mandrake or not. I used them when RedHat 7.2 was released and had a steady flow of ~90k/s (which is really good for me). ^_^

Er, there goes my "great luck."

Re:SHhhhhh!

[great_flaming_foo]

The /. effect is the main reason I try to stay off the bleeding edge ;-)

Re:SHhhhhh!

[Anonymous Coward]

Hmm. There goes my local (just across the river) mirror. Cannot even connect now.

Re:SHhhhhh!

[sporty]

Heh, famous last words.

Re:SHhhhhh!

[Moonshadow]

I have a mirror that I use that I get over 1200kb/sec with Download Accelerator. They have 8.2, and it's blazing. I'm downloading all 3 CDs at the same time right now, and each download is at about 800kb/sec. It's in the complete opposite corner of the country for me, and I'm still getting these speeds.

Yeehaw!

And if you think I'm gonna tell you about it till I'm done downloading, think again! :D

Re:SHhhhhh!

[Anonymous Coward]

What? you should be paying Mandrake to send you a copy of their CD's instead ;-)

Re:SHhhhhh!

[Alsee]

You /. bastards!

You /.'ed Kenny!

-

Re:SHhhhhh!

[Anonymous Coward]

Surely you're done by now.

Help a fellow phoenix resident out. How about that url?

Thanks

Re:SHhhhhh!

[Moonshadow]

ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu

Good stuff - pulled all three CDs down in about 20 minutes. :)

Re:SHhhhhh!

[Anonymous Coward]

You DA MAN!!!

wait a bit before slashing it

[Anonymous Coward]

Why not wait a couple of hours before slashdotting it?

Re:wait a bit before slashing it

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought tha twas the whole point

Re:wait a bit before slashing it

[ethereal]

What, so you can get it first? I don't think so! Hahahaha...

Too soon

[Anonymous Coward]

I just place my order for Suse 8.0, to be delivered on April 22.

I've been using the beta...

[TechnoLust]

and I love it! They greatest thing that I liked about it was the built-in support for those Alcatel USB DSL modems. I got stuck with one of those and had trouble getting it to work in other distros. I had to tweak a little to get it to work in the Beta, but it should be all good in the final version.

Mandrake is a very good distro for the beginner and advanced user alike. I have tried several and this is definitely my favorite. This install is really great and warns you if you are installing anything that is a potential security risk. If you haven't tried it, what are you waiting for?

Re:I've been using the beta...

[awx]

Fool, support for the Alcatel Stingrays was introduced with 8.1 - proof being onje of my clients has been using it since it was released as their main gateway, no probs.

Get it from the Mandrake Club

[Eric Damron]

You can also get your copy of Mandrake from the download site that is available to people belonging to the Mandrake club.

Its a fast download and there is additional software available there. i.e. commercial packages.

At $60.00 per year its a great value!

Re:Get it from the Mandrake Club

[jd142]

The only thinkg I can find in the download area is additional software. No iso's. Do you have a link?

Re:Get it from the Mandrake Club

[Algan]

Link to the ISOs please... all I could find are some apps...

Upgrade Advised?

[Economist]

I'm running Mandrake 8.1 here on my personal use machine (i have a little server running SuSE). Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should i wait another couple of versions?

Re:Upgrade Advised?

[PoiBoy]

As a fellow economist, I'd say don't upgrade until you really have a need to. I'm still running RedHat 6.2, though I have updated the kernel and some of the services known to have security exploits. If MDK 8.1 does everything you need and doesn't pose a security risk, don't bother.

Re:Upgrade Advised?

[Anonymous Coward]

upgrade. 8.2 is a hell of alot faster than 8.1.

Re:Upgrade Advised?

[kilgore_47]

upgrade. 8.2 is a hell of alot faster than 8.1.

Any insight on specifcally what is faster?

Re:Upgrade Advised?

[Anonymous Coward]

The magic smoke virtual machine (MSVM) is over 20% faster under Mandrake 8.2 than previous releases.

Re:Upgrade Advised?

[homer_ca]

There are some things that are just so difficult to upgrade piece by piece, I may as well wait til the next distro includes it. A few months ago I wanted to try Evolution 1.0, but after reading about it at Ximian, I just gave up. Too many libraries and dependencies. On their site they said Red Carpet was the easiest way to install, but I wasn't about to rip out Gnome and install Ximian Gnome just to try out Evolution. Mozilla has a perfectly good IMAP client.

Too SLow

[DNAspark99]

I had allready found the iso hours ago on a mirror central to Mandrake's locality. Woulda leeched the URL to slashdot myself but it would kill my download! :)

List of mirrors

[belbo]

Hey, easy karma! And to keep the lameness filter happy, I'll sing a little song: see the little goblin, see the little pixie ...

Czech Republic

ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/ Mandrake/iso/
France

ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/ linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Lyon)

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Nancy)
Germany

ftp:// ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandrake/iso / (Esslingen)
Iceland

ftp://ftp.mbl.is/pub/mandrake/ iso/ (Reykjavik)
Italy

ftp://bo.mirror. garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bologna)

http://bo.mirror. garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bologna)
Slovakia

ftp://hq. alert.sk/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/iso/

ftp://spirit. profinet.sk/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bratislava)
Taiwan

ftp://mdk.linux.org.tw/ pub/mandrake/iso/
United States

ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrake/iso/ (North Carolina)

ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributi ons/mandrake/iso/ (Georgia)

ftp://ftp.math. utah.edu/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Utah)

ftp://mirror.mcs.anl. gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)

Re:List of mirrors

[Cardhore]

If you UUENCODE and then mirror (post on slashdot) the iso images, I'll mod you up even more!

Re:List of mirrors

[O2n]

Quoth yer sig:
Mandrake Linux. Because it's got bigger tits.

You obviously missed this :)

Note: this is on-topic: it says "chicks dig mandrake" sideways... you just can't get better advertising.

Re:List of mirrors

[Anonymous Coward]

Make sure to UUENCODE in BASE2 though!

Re:List of mirrors

[GSloop]

Damn! Where do I sign up to be a h4x0r!?
:) (And I'm even married - don't tell my wife about that Linux chick!)

Cheers!

Re:List of mirrors

[Anonymous Coward]

the real punchline here is knowing that those professional models probably couldn't even tell you what Linux is, much less why it's better.

Not that I'm complaining about the pics...

Re:List of mirrors

[Zarquon]

Wow.. they musta put some connection throttling on tricia.cc.gatech.edu.. I'm on campus and I can't get through. Well, at least it's on the other router.. resnet's router's been at 500 ms pings for the last week.

Re:List of mirrors

[O2n]

Unfortunately - and I'm saying this with sincere regret - the pics are most probably the result of many Gimp work-hours, on a dateless Friday evening, by some sad soul... don't dump yor wife yet. :)

Re:List of mirrors

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm (was:) getting 550KB/s from this mirror:

ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrak e/iso/

Don't forget to join MandrakeClub!

Re:List of mirrors

[SquierStrat]

I thank God everyday I live off campus. Everyone in the dorms whines about the lag and D/L speeds! They need to add another OC/3 or 2. :-) I have a friend on west campus who consistently downloads at 3/K a second, My ADSL line pisses him off! :-)

Re:List of mirrors

[Datafage]

Hey, isn't that Estella Warren, the girl from Driven?

Oh yeah!

[protomala]

I was expecting this to replace my Redhat 7.1. RH was very good sometime ago, but now they are simply ignoring desktop and focusing on servers, so I don't like it anymore. Someone knows what packages are in the cd3? Seems like I'll have a lot of work backpuing things and creating cds for my distro change.

Re:Oh yeah!

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe RH is focusing on quality and the ability for users to control their installation. RH on the desktop? Try 7.2 with Ximian and compare that to any Mandrake you want. Mandrake is nothing but a rip off of RH that while sometimes pretty, never has quite managed to achieve the stability that other linux distros have. I am betting this is their last release also.

Re:Oh yeah!

[protomala]

Yes, rh is more stable. Yes rh is better for gnome. No, rh don't give me updated rpms, rh dosen't give me a good kde support. I'm a typical user, I want to keep updated and want kde :)

List of mirrors on mandrake.com

[tcc]

if it ever gets /.'ed

Mandrake Linux 8.2 for i586 and higher
Mandrake 8.2 Packs & CDs are available for pre-order at Mandrakestore.com.

Czech Republic

ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/8.2/i586/
France

ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Lyon)
Slovakia

ftp://spirit.profinet.sk/mirrors/Mandrake/8.2/i5 86 / (Bratislava)
United States

ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions /m andrake/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (North Carolina)
ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/8.2/i586/ (Illinois)

Last modified: Mon Mar 18 11:18:41 2002

Mandrake Linux 8.2 ISO images mirrors for i586 and higher
Mandrake 8.2 Packs & CDs are available for pre-order at Mandrakestore.com.

Czech Republic

ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/
France

ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Lyon)
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Nancy)
Germany

ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mand ra ke/iso/ (Esslingen)
Iceland

ftp://ftp.mbl.is/pub/mandrake/iso/ (Reykjavik)
Italy

ftp://bo.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bologna)
http://bo.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bologna)
Slovakia

ftp://hq.alert.sk/pub/linux/distributions/mandra ke /iso/
ftp://spirit.profinet.sk/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bratislava)
Taiwan

ftp://mdk.linux.org.tw/pub/mandrake/iso/
United States

ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions /m andrake/Mandrake/iso/ (North Carolina)
ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distribu ti ons/mandrake/iso/ (Georgia)
ftp://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Utah)
ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)

Last modified: Mon Mar 18 11:18:41 2002

Fast Mirror

[bhsx]

I got all three concurrently at about 300KB/s at ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake-iso/i586
I've also been told that ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/i so is quite good. Pound away :)

Re:Fast Mirror

[jsprat]

FYI, sunsite.uio.no only has RC2, not the final 8.2.

Re:Fast Mirror

[josquint]

THANK YOU
couldn't freakin LOG IN to any mirror.. let alone a half fast one!

just hope nobody mods this up untill tomorrow ;-)

No...don't download the ISO's

[9632]

Buy them. Mandrake needs the cash.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Mr Windows]

Better to download the ISOs and send the cash direct to Mandrake (eg by joining the Mandrake Linux Users Club). That way they'll see more of the cash, as you've cut out the middleman.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[linzeal]

Do they have pizza huts in europe? Can I send them a pizza coupon for their programmers instead?

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

If we want Linux to succeed on the desktop then buying them from a retail outlet is the preferred way to show that Linux is a viable product.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[chad_r]

Why was this moderated as Funny? They really do need the money.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[ssimpson]

Yes, we have Pizza Huts in Europe. Well, we do in England....

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

Pizza whats?? No, I don't think we have those.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

Why should they get cash? How much of the software in their distro have they really written?

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

I didn't buy anything from Microsoft when I run Windows, why would I buy Mandrake GNU/Linux?

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

Stockholm too.

It's almost like McDonalds in the early seventies, spreading fast and furious.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[fr2asbury]

Well, I was in Helsinki in 1989 and they had a Pizza Hut there. They had a really funny pizza called "Tasty Michigan" which had some sort of fish and squid I think. Now, I've lived in Michigan almost all my life and while we have fish. It didn't look right in that Helsinki Pizza Hut.
My friend and I also speant about $40US on the pizza we got there, but we didn't care as we had just finished 3 weeks in the USSR eating SPAM dogs (or is that Spam? Which is the meat and which is the mail?) and other things we couldn't recognize.
I think we went straight from McDonalds (then $12US for a Quarter Pounder combo) to Pizza Hut.
Sorry about the price referneces. Europeans may not find them funny, but to the kids who have never left the US it'll be amazing.

Jonathan

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[linzeal]

How can people justify paying such insane prices for such crappy food? Are ingredients that much better in that part of the world or are they paying the workers a decent wage? If it is the latter I'm glad for it.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

Why wait till it hits the store shelves? Why not download it now, make sure it's "up to par" and if it's another excellent distribution, then join the mandrake club and or go buy a shrinkwrapped box for your grandma, as a early christmas present?

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[qurk]

Send the programmers Papa John's coupons! Nah, Pizza Hut pays their employees minimum wage. The pizza is completely overpriced, your $20 pizza prolly only cost $3 for the resaurant.

Your paying for the Pizza Hut experience!!!

BTW Look out for the star wars promotion, remember the Episode 1 hype.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[searleb]

Buy them. Mandrake needs the cash.

| sed -e 's/needs/deserves/g'

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

Why is that modded as flamebait? He's right, they do need the money.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

How can people justify paying such insane prices for such crappy food? Are ingredients that much better in that part of the world or are they paying the workers a decent wage? If it is the latter I'm glad for it.

Note that he mentioned it was in Helsinki, as in Finland, as in Socialist.

Taxes are what you're paying for that food.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Monkelectric]

The US has the lowest prices for food anywhere in the world. We also have *very* good prices on gas compared to most other places ... However we take it up the butt on housing ... so I guess its all relative.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[AVee]

Do they have pizza huts in europe?

Jep, they do here in Holland, and also in France the last time I was there...

Can I send them a pizza coupon for their programmers instead?

Go right ahead, they'll love you for it, just as long as there mailbox doesn't get Slashdotted.

B.t.w. Wouldn't it be time to test the Slashdot effect on snailmail?

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[mikerackhabit]

If they can't support themselves in some other way besides me buying cds they shouldn't be an opensource company. Being in this game requires that you have a model to support yourself without relying on cd sales.

That said, if you can afford the cds it's always nice to support a good company like Mandrake.

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[oever]

B.t.w. Wouldn't it be time to test the Slashdot effect on snailmail?

/. + snailmail = X-mas

Re:No...don't download the ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

if you cant afford the CDs how do you afford a computer or internet access ? somethings free so why pay for it right loser ? and when they go broke youre the god who prophesised it after all why would you buy cds when you can use their bandidth and server space and just download it.

You people make me fucking sick

Hope so

[urock]

I've run each of the 8.2 betas and also the RC1 version. It's going to be a great release.

I hope they had time to catch some of the little problem issues.

Re:Hope so

[Max Threshold]

Most of them. There's ongoing discussion on the Cooker mailing list about the conflict between retailers, directors and investors who want things done according to the schedule, and the needs of developers who always have just a few more bugs to fix. The release is going out with some (minor) known issues. But all in all, it rocks. I used betas 1 and 4, and I think Mandrake 8.2 is the release that's finally going to free this neophyte hacker from Microsoft hell.

Mirror of announcement

[dallen]

Since Mandrake is blocking the slashdot link in the story, here's a mirror.

Mandrake Linux 8.2: Solid server, Friendly desktop.
Altadena, CA - March 18th 2002 - MandrakeSoft is proud to introduce Mandrake Linux 8.2 as the most feature-rich, multi-purpose Linux operating system ever made available to the public. This new version of our flagship product combines the power and flexibility of a full-featured Linux server with the simplicity and elegance of well designed graphical user interfaces.

Mandrake Linux 8.2 is the best "all-in-one" solution for saving time and money with personal computers: installation couldn't be easier with our world-famous graphical installer, and no post-configuration hassles means that your Mandrake system is immediately ready for work. Depending on your requirements, Mandrake 8.2 can be installed either as a full-featured & powerful Linux server, or as a highly productive personal workstation.

New server features include the ability to use an encrypted filesystem for protecting sensitive data; "kernel-secure" adds important security features to the default Linux kernel; and an "Enterprise" kernel delivers SMP (Symmetric Multi Processing) and Hi-memory support (above 1024 MB) for high-end servers. Mandrake Linux 8.2 also introduces a quick and efficient way to set up printers and scanners; a new file sharing feature for easily sharing files and directories in a networked environment; and improved "hot-plug" support that lets users install new devices quickly and painlessly without having to reboot the system. A new remote desktop utility, RFBdrake, is extremely useful for controlling machines remotely within a LAN or securely through the Internet.

New desktop features include a completely redesigned Mandrake Control Center that serves as a central location for Mandrake-specific tools and utilities, as well as many new configuration wizards. Desktop users will appreciate the task-oriented menus in GNOME and KDE which greatly simplify locating applications by categorizing them into common "tasks".
MandrakeFirstTime is an easy-to-use wizard that helps setup a desktop environment (KDE, GNOME, etc.), choose a theme and configure email settings. DrakNet, the Internet connection and network utility, efficiently helps users configure all types of network connections, from common dial-up modems to DSL and cable connections.
The reworked version of MSEC, a utility for configuring the security level of a machine (Standard, High, Highest, Paranoid) is more powerful than ever. Also included are the latest stable versions of KDE and GNOME which both offer some great new features and applications such as anti-aliased fonts and Evolution (an Outlook-like email client and personal information manager). StarOffice 6.0 is included with the ProSuite and PowerPack Editions.

"With version 8.2, Mandrake Linux proves that it is the ultimate Linux experience. This new release is the result of our four year commitment to providing the best operating system ever. Mandrake Linux has long been the preferred Linux distribution for individuals, but Mandrake 8.2 marks a new step in our penetration of the corporate environment. The features and unparalleled ease of use make 8.2 an incredibly efficient and affordable alternative to UNIX and Windows 2000" said Jacques Le Marois, CEO of MandrakeSoft.

Core System Components

* Kernel 2.4.18
* Improved Firewire support
* Support for USB2, ECC memory, i830 DRM, ATA133, Geforce3
* XFree86 4.2 provides 3D acceleration for many video cards previously only supported in 3.3.6
* Glibc 2.2.4

Software and Applications

* Apache 1.3.23
* PHP 4.1.2
* MySQL 3.23.47
* PostgreSQL 7.2
* Sendmail 8.12.1
* Postfix 20010228

* Staroffice 6.0 is the latest version of the famous Office Suite that boasts integrated creativity and productivity tools, improved interoperability with Microsoft Office files, support for XML file formats, and improved international support.

* Evolution 1.02 is a full-featured personal information manager and advanced E-mail client. Evolution provides the best features in its class.

* KDE 2.2.2 (KDE 3.0 RC2 is also provided as an alternative desktop for users who enjoy the bleeding edge) and GNOME 1.4.1 -- Enjoy the latest versions of these popular desktop environments. KDE 2.2.2 includes a new print system which has been integrated with PrinterDrake; GNOME 1.4.1 includes Evolution to closely match the features and look of MS-Outlook.

Mandrake Linux 8.2 is currently available for x86 processors, and will soon also be available for the PPC platform.

To find out more about Mandrake Linux 8.2, please visit
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/82.php3

Pre-orders are now being accepted for the Mandrake Linux 8.2 ProSuite and PowerPack Editions at
http://www.MandrakeStore.com

Or download your copy today at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3

Mandrake Club members are entitled to download proprietary drivers and commercial software for 8.2:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/

About MandrakeSoft

MandrakeSoft provides a trusted interface between users of information technology and open source developers. The company offers its enterprise, government and educational customers a set of GNU Linux and Open-Source software and related services, and user-friendly and highly competitive information technologies. In addition, MandrakeSoft offers technologists committed to open software and courseware a trusted channel to offer their services.

The company has technologists in over 20 countries, and is traded on Paris Euronext Marché Libre (Euroclear code: 4477.PA; Reuters code: MAKE.PA) and the US OTC market (stock symbol MDKFF). "Born on the Internet" in late 1998, MandrakeSoft established headquarters in the U.S.A., Montreal, England, Germany and France. Please visit the Web site, http://www.mandrakesoft.com for more information.

Re:Mirror of announcement

[Random Feature]

What's cool is that MD 8.2 will support my brand new freakin' Fujitsu Lifebook and the Intel 830MG chipset it's using by including XFree86 4.2 and a newer kernel.

Woo hoo!

Please

[Anonymous Coward]

To probe worng all those people who say that GPL and linux as a business model does not work: Instead of going like leeches to suck up the latest mdk iso go and actually buy it!
I promise you will feel good about it!

Re:Please

[colmore]

I'm new to the whole Linux thing. I've been downloading the latest iso's of the various distros. Once I find one that suits me, I plan to pay.

Re:Please

[Anonymous Coward]

I sure hope you downloaded them in BIN mode.

Re:Please

[TiggerStripe]

I bought Mandrake 8.0 Pro and never regretted a penny spent. I'll bet my money again on 8.2 :O) OTOH it's sure nice to know that I didn't spend anything on the failed distros* (including Red Hat 7.1, Mandrake 8.1, Caldera 2.4/3.1 etc.) that I've tried over the years... Poor students like myself cannot afford such luxuries as the purchase of a distro just to (beta?) test it. * "failed distros" == "distros that wouldn't work on my primary machine after 3 reasonable attempts or less"

Re:Mirror

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't think anybody is going to fall for that

Lameness filtered

[bhsx]

"ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/ iso"
grr... take out that space in there... it's "/iso"
Damnable machine ;)

Truly amazing product, truly amazing company...

[joestar]

I tested one of the latest Mandrake Beta (currently downloading the final), and I have to admit Mandrake Linux, and in particular the 8.2 is really an amazing product. It comes with more features than I ever seen in all other Linux distros, it's now really rock solid, in 2 weeks, I only found 4 or 5 minor bugs in the beta4. It's really a great solution that can be deployed in enterprise, as well as for individual use. That's what I love in Mandrake: I run it for personal use on my laptop, and in my company on one hundred machine, and while it's the same product, the same CDs, it's not at all the same use! On my laptop I'm like a Windows user, in my company we use it like we used our SUN network before...

I have to say I'm really impressed by how MandrakeSoft, a small and rather fragile company, is keeping on going its own way. They prefer doing more efforts in building and improving a dream OS everyday, keeping the right open source software way, and they try to avoid laying offs by requesting financial contributions of its users (see the Mandrake Club announcement). I don't know what this company is going to become in the next ten years but really, Mandrake Linux and MandrakeSoft are more exciting product and company than Red Hat or SuSE!

Re:Truly amazing product, truly amazing company...

[dieMSdie]

I first tried Mandrake when 6.0 was out. And I agree, imho they are the best distro out there. Powerful, yet easy to use for a novice. The installer just gets better with every release.

As a long-time Linux user and enthusiast, I put my money where my mouth is and joined the Mandrake Club today. The only "perk" I'd like to see from that really is perhaps a private FTP server for members to get priority access to new releases. $60.00 is nothing at all standing next to all the use I've gotten from my Mandrake installs!

When will they ever learn ...

[ninewands]

slashdotted already ...

Star Office 6.0?

[tempest303]

uhm.... the release announcement mentions the inclusion of Star Office 6.0 in the "power pack" edition, but a glance at http://www.sun.com/staroffice seems to indicate that this hasn't even been released yet? I wonder if this means Sun will be doing the final release soon?

Re:Star Office 6.0?

[mrscorpio]

I wondered the same thing. It also doesn't make sense because they have been gravitating towards Open Office as of late, and it seems a bit redundant to me to include both.

Of course, I'm running Mozilla 0.9.9 as my default browser and Netscape 6.2.1 as a backup in case the former crashes, so maybe it's not too redundant!

Chris

Re:Star Office 6.0?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hi tempest303. For your information, Star Office 6.0 will be released sometime this week. You can check up any of the news at sun.com when it's a couple of hours far from the release. Yes, Mandrake Soft has signed an agreement to distribute Star Office 6.0, so they are authorized to already ship the software along with the distribution.

Best Regards,
Sun Management.

Re:Star Office 6.0?

[JM]

Well, Mandrake Linux 8.2 is out, but the Power Packs won't be in stores until a couple of weeks.
So technically StarOffice 6 is not available yet.

During the Linux-World expo in NY, the people at Sun said that basically the final release was ready, but they waited until end of March or beginning of April to clean up some final issues with licensing and partners.

So expect a PR from Sun real soon.

Re:Star Office 6.0?

[VikingBrad]

StarOffice 6.0 will not be open source and Sun will charge licensing fees for Linux & Windows users.

OpenOffice.org is the Open Source base code used in StarOffice.

OpenOffice.org 1.0 is due to be released in April and is the same base code as StarOffice 6.0

Cheers

Vikingbrad

Mandrake's PHP Hammered: Announcement Text Below

[Pii]

Mandrake Linux 8.2: Solid server, Friendly desktop.

Altadena, CA - March 18th 2002 - MandrakeSoft is proud to introduce Mandrake Linux 8.2 as the most feature-rich, multi-purpose Linux operating system ever made available to the public. This new version of our flagship product combines the power and flexibility of a full-featured Linux server with the simplicity and elegance of well designed graphical user interfaces.

Mandrake Linux 8.2 is the best "all-in-one" solution for saving time and money with personal computers: installation couldn't be easier with our world-famous graphical installer, and no post-configuration hassles means that your Mandrake system is immediately ready for work. Depending on your requirements, Mandrake 8.2 can be installed either as a full-featured & powerful Linux server, or as a highly productive personal workstation.

New server features include the ability to use an encrypted filesystem for protecting sensitive data; "kernel-secure" adds important security features to the default Linux kernel; and an "Enterprise" kernel delivers SMP (Symmetric Multi Processing) and Hi-memory support (above 1024 MB) for high-end servers. Mandrake Linux 8.2 also introduces a quick and efficient way to set up printers and scanners; a new file sharing feature for easily sharing files and directories in a networked environment; and improved "hot-plug" support that lets users install new devices quickly and painlessly without having to reboot the system. A new remote desktop utility, RFBdrake, is extremely useful for controlling machines remotely within a LAN or securely through the Internet.

New desktop features include a completely redesigned Mandrake Control Center that serves as a central location for Mandrake-specific tools and utilities, as well as many new configuration wizards. Desktop users will appreciate the task-oriented menus in GNOME and KDE which greatly simplify locating applications by categorizing them into common "tasks".

MandrakeFirstTime is an easy-to-use wizard that helps setup a desktop environment (KDE, GNOME, etc.), choose a theme and configure email settings. DrakNet, the Internet connection and network utility, efficiently helps users configure all types of network connections, from common dial-up modems to DSL and cable connections.

The reworked version of MSEC, a utility for configuring the security level of a machine (Standard, High, Highest, Paranoid) is more powerful than ever. Also included are the latest stable versions of KDE and GNOME which both offer some great new features and applications such as anti-aliased fonts and Evolution (an Outlook-like email client and personal information manager). StarOffice 6.0 is included with the ProSuite and PowerPack Editions.

"With version 8.2, Mandrake Linux proves that it is the ultimate Linux experience. This new release is the result of our four year commitment to providing the best operating system ever. Mandrake Linux has long been the preferred Linux distribution for individuals, but Mandrake 8.2 marks a new step in our penetration of the corporate environment. The features and unparalleled ease of use make 8.2 an incredibly efficient and affordable alternative to UNIX and Windows 2000" said Jacques Le Marois, CEO of MandrakeSoft.

Core System Components

• Kernel 2.4.18
• Improved Firewire support
• Support for USB2, ECC memory, i830 DRM, ATA133, Geforce3
• XFree86 4.2 provides 3D acceleration for many video cards previously only supported in 3.3.6
• Glibc 2.2.4

Software and Applications

• Apache 1.3.23
• PHP 4.1.2
• MySQL 3.23.47
• PostgreSQL 7.2
• Sendmail 8.12.1
• Postfix 20010228
• Staroffice 6.0 is the latest version of the famous Office Suite that boasts integrated creativity and productivity tools, improved interoperability with Microsoft Office files, support for XML file formats, and improved international support.
• Evolution 1.02 is a full-featured personal information manager and advanced E-mail client. Evolution provides the best features in its class.
• KDE 2.2.2 (KDE 3.0 RC2 is also provided as an alternative desktop for users who enjoy the bleeding edge) and GNOME 1.4.1 -- Enjoy the latest versions of these popular desktop environments. KDE 2.2.2 includes a new print system which has been integrated with PrinterDrake; GNOME 1.4.1 includes Evolution to closely match the features and look of MS-Outlook.

Mandrake Linux 8.2 is currently available for x86 processors, and will soon also be available for the PPC platform.

To find out more about Mandrake Linux 8.2, please visit http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/82.php3

Pre-orders are now being accepted for the Mandrake Linux 8.2 ProSuite and PowerPack Editions at http://www.MandrakeStore.com

Or download your copy today at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3

Mandrake Club members are entitled to download proprietary drivers and commercial software for 8.2: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/

About MandrakeSoft

MandrakeSoft provides a trusted interface between users of information technology and open source developers. The company offers its enterprise, government and educational customers a set of GNU Linux and Open-Source software and related services, and user-friendly and highly competitive information technologies. In addition, MandrakeSoft offers technologists committed to open software and courseware a trusted channel to offer their services.

The company has technologists in over 20 countries, and is traded on Paris Euronext Marché Libre (Euroclear code: 4477.PA; Reuters code: MAKE.PA) and the US OTC market (stock symbol MDKFF). "Born on the Internet" in late 1998, MandrakeSoft established headquarters in the U.S.A., Montreal, England, Germany and France. Please visit the Web site, http://www.mandrakesoft.com for more information.

There go my iso downloads

[bfe369]

Well, I *was* getting decent speed.

And here I thought I was going to beat /. and get an iso in the first week for a change.

Re:There go my iso downloads

[WildBeast]

yeah same for me. They could've waited for my download to finish before announcing it.

Re:There go my iso downloads

[nusuth]

If you have RC1 just use cooker and don't download the ISOs. For the next few weeks I guess it will be just bug fixes, not new features that might break so you are probably better off with cooker anyway.

Sounds like a connection error...

[theCURE]

between the chair and keyboard

Re:Sounds like a connection error...

[mrscorpio]

I would tend to agree, based on my own experiences. Of course, perhaps he's running something "exotic" (or extremely old/new). I have an HP DJ932c and installing it to LM 8.1 was easier than in Win 98 SE, the OS it was created for!

Of course, it's just as easy now that I'm running Win 2k pro, but I was mucho impressed running LM 8.1 on my PII 400/128MB PC100 RAM/16.6GB HD system, and the only reason I haven't installed it on my new box is because I knew that 8.2 was imminent and it would save me the hassle of installing 2x. My plans are to run a tri-boot Win 2k pro/XP pro/LM 8.2 on my Soyo Dragon+/Athalon 1700+/256MB DDR RAM/WD 120GB HD w/8MB cache system (only running XP because my telephone tech support job requires me to be familiar with it).

Mandrake rocks. Wish there could be some Mandrake-centric books though. (EVERYTHING is Red Hat!!!)

Chris

Re:Sounds like a connection error...

[Denial of Cervix]

Wish there could be some Mandrake-centric books though.

Well, there is SAMS "Teach yourself Mandrake Linux in 24 Hours", but it sounds like you may already be past that (I regret buying it as I am a bit past it as well).

I just found "Linux Complete" at my local B&N in "used" for ten bucks. Sure, it's a little Red-Hat-centric, but it's still a fantastic reference.

Really, once you get past the install, is there much of a diff? (Asked seriously, not rhetorically, I'm a newbie myself)

DoC

Re:Sounds like a connection error...

[mrscorpio]

I believe I have the same "Linux Complete" book you have (Sybex), though I purchased it new for $20, also at B+N. Great reference for the price. And I am disappointed by the lack of Mandrake books not because it limits my functionality (at least now), but because a reference book can be a great way to get people into Linux, since you don't have to d/l ISO's (or find a site)...you just have to be in a bookstore, pick up the book, and whammo! It comes with the OS too. This reason alone is why I ALMOST went Red Hat as opposed to Mandrake, but in the end I chose Mandrake because of their extensive online support, and the fact that the components they use are more up-to-date.

Chris

Re:Sounds like a connection error...

[Anonymous Coward]

I could also brag about my hw, but I choose not to.

Good for newbs

[AlexDeGruven]

In my limited Linux experience (I've dabbled with some distros and basically just played around 'cuz software I'm not used to is cool to me), I've found Mandrake by far the easiest to install, it has good preprogrammed defaults for things like partitions and their sizes.
If I go with this distro, I think I would actually buy it, just because I've seen previous stories about Mandrake having financial problems. I'm always willing to help support an alternative to windoze, mainly because alternate OSs are cool.

Re:Good for newbs

[colmore]

"mainly because alternate OSs are cool."

oh no, please God no.

I hate the people who only like bands because they're underground. I was talking to a guy about the Strokes the other day and he said "yeah I saw 'em a few times and I really liked them, but then vanity fair started writing about them, so forget that."

you should like something or use something because *it works for you* not because it is "alternative" or "underground" or anything else. If windows is working for you, then don't switch to Linux because it's "cool." switch to Linux because it's a better product.

Re:Good for newbs

[geekoid]

aahh the catch 22

How many people would of look at Linux at all if it wasn't for the fact that it was "underground"?

Don't get me wrong I agree with you. Sadly, we're in the minority. which to these people makes us cool.

Re:Good for newbs

[davedeep1]

I was a Windows user until I heard about this underground operating system called Linux. I was told it was better than Windows and I think the curiosity prompted me to install it. I am now in love with it. I think sometimes curiosity prompts people to try Linux. Second, Linux had to provide me with a "better" alternative to Windows. I wouldn't stay in Linux if it didn't do things better than Windows. Getting people to know that Linux is better requires more than just word of mouth. People have to be shown, or at least install it on their own and experience it.

Re:Good for newbs

[Dave_bsr]

I use linux because:
1. I am very curious about it. I hear good things.
2. It's UNIX - which is good for me as a CompSci student (we run sun boxes at my school)
3. It's good for servers. I like servers.
4. It's secure, and stable. also, it's stable, and secure. it needed saying 2x...yes Julie, Nimda did eat your win98 partition, but Julie...there is something...better...
5. It's UNIX - which is just...good.
6. Great applications: I don't, and can't, list all the goodness on the three cd's of mandrake 8.1, and the thoughts of 8.2 make me drool.
7. Free applications: again, i'm a CS student, which means i'm poor. free OS+free apps is good...although i'm thinking of scraping some cash up to support Mandrake.
8. Yes, it is cool to be different. and linux is different. and ridiculing people when their win98 box goes boom is always entertaining. Not to mention the flamewars i get to have with windows people!
9. Vi comes on Mandrake cd's. i'm too lazy to get a windows version, although i'm sure one exists.
Vi is probably my favorite app of all time, that might be because of all the hours i've logged on it trying to get my C++ code to compile.

Re:Good for newbs

[AlexDeGruven]

I haven't switched. I dabble. I stick to Windoze 'cuz it's what I know, and all of my work applications are win32. I play with things that are cool (See: content of my post). I support underdogs because it's good to see teh little guy get ahead. If Linux becomes the standard, it won't bother me, because I like to use it, and I know how to use it, and I would very willingly make the switch.

Re:Good for newbs

[Anonymous Coward]

Just a quick correction: linux is NOT unix! First of all, linux is not even an operating system. If any single compononent would be considered the operating system, it would be the toolset written by GNU, and we all know GNU stands for GNU's Not Unix.

Re:Good for newbs

[saintlupus]

you should like something or use something because *it works for you* not because it is "alternative" or "underground" or anything else.

"Why is 'alternative' the largest section in every record store?"

Wish I could remember where I heard that.

--saint

Re:Good for newbs

[colmore]

I'm reminded of an Onion editorial:

"I'm not afraid to try new and popular things"

Redhat

[nick255]

Does anyone know how easy it is to replace a redhat install with a Mandrake one? I'm using Redhat (rawhide) at the moment, but would like to give Mandrake ago.

Re:Redhat

[Anonymous Coward]

Yup....

INstall mandrake cd. boot computer.
Choose reformat drive option...

there ya go.. redhat gone mandrake in it's place..

any other questions?

Re:Redhat

[JM]

You basically boot from the CD, choose your language and keyboard type, tell it to reformat all partitions (you might want to keep your /home), choose packages and grab a cup of coffe.

Mandrake uses RPM, and most of the core stuff is the same as RedHat.

However, it's much easier to configure thanks to the Mandrake Control Center.

Re:Redhat

[Anonymous Coward]

Assuming that you would like to keep your personal files intact, do the following:

• Sign on as root, cd /home, mv yourname rh_yourname. Repeat this last step for any other users whose files you want to keep. This will also insure that the new Mandrake install will create brand new /home/yourname directory loaded with the proper KDE 2.2.2 init files instead of the old stuff from RedHat.
  
• Shutdown and reboot with the cd1-inst CD in place. When you get to the part in the install where you are given the choice to "Use existing partitions", pick this!. Next, do NOT format your home directory.
  
• When you get everything installed, etc. and you sign on for the first time, copy your Mail directory from your old rh_yourname directory to its new home before launching Kmail for the first time. Sorry, that's the only MUA I have experience with.
  
• Similarly, recover any worthwhile files or directories from your rh_yourname directory.
  
• Enjoy
  

1st Karma Whore

[brad3378]

New Features

Including what will soon be my favorites:

New installation features include the ability to download and install updates at install time

new wizard-oriented rescue mode

redesigned and polished Mandrake Control Center

DiskDrake now supports an encrypted filesystem

Improved URPMI (apt-like package manager) and Software Manager

Rfbdrake - remotely control an X session.

New minimal (65 meg) installation mode, which installs nothing but the base system

Also mentions that StarOffice 6.0 is included, although It doesn't say, I'm sure it's probably the Beta.

Worth Mentioning:

Kernal 2.4.18

Improved Firewire, USB2, ATA133

Looking Good Mandrake!
Keep up the great work!

EVERYONE!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Please wait five or six hours before downloading it. I am already downloading it now, and I don't want all you pushing in before I have fininshed. Thanks everyone!

Re:EVERYONE!!

[Anonymous Coward]

I was downloading it before you - please disconnect so I may finish more quickly.
-Thanks!

;)

Re:EVERYONE!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Roger that!!!!

Cached articles??

[Milo77]

When are we going to get a nice little "cached" (ala Google) link under a story that takes us to a version cached locally on slashdot's servers. Items in the cache could easily expire after only a day(or even a couple hours). Salshdot's readers would appreciate this as would the poor IT people in charge of the oft-slashdotted servers...

Re:Cached articles??

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you think that Slashdot/VA could actually pay for the bandwidth that it would take to do this?
Taco said that the majority of /. readers only read the front page. I would imagine that they read the linked stories as well. If Slashdot caches those linked stories, the bandwidth used would increase massively.
It is hard to be "friendly" when it costs $$$$

Re:Cached articles??

[jeffstar]

how does google get away with it then?

Re:Cached articles??

[Aanallein]

I don't think I've seen more than a handful of articles on slashdot in recent months that didn't have this request. Usually the posts are modded up quite highly as well.

Now, assuming CmdrTaco and the other powers that be are not completely oblivious to what's happening here, they've seen the request. And despite a general theme of labeling all anti-micorosoft news as interesting, I assume they're somewhat open-minded as well.
So I figure they've either looked into things, or are still doing so. The problems I can see are (1) huge increase of bandwidth for slashdot itself because of the cache, (2) legal problems, and (3) technical problems with actually doing this.
Since Google is caching websites as well, I assume (2) and (3) should not be too much of a problem. Oh sure, it might take some time to really talk things through with lawyers and the like, and perhaps this is still happening, but eventually it shouldn't be a barrier. Likewise, slashdot employs some people who're tech-savvy enough that (3) shouldn't be a problem for very long as well.
Bandwidth however definitely could be a problem. I imagine caching linked to pages, even if it's only the first page directly behind the link, would increase bandwidth use by 50%-150% (remember, only 75% of al statistics are made up on the spot) ;)
Unfortunately bandwidth costs money. So if this is not something still in development (considering how long these requests have existed, I'd say that is slightly unlikely at this point), they've looked at it, and decided that it's not worth the money.
Maybe, perhaps, they'd be willing to reconsider if the subscriptions are succesful enough, but I personally don't count on that ever happening.

The other possibility is linking to the google cache of the linked to pages directly from the article. It's extra effort that's not worth the time since there are plenty of karma whores who will do the same almost as soon as the article's up anyway.

But basically, I think there's really no use in continuing with these requests. Everything that can be said about it has been said more than once. The powers that be have undoubtedly seen it all. There's little more for us to do than wait and see, or most likely don't see.

Re:Cached articles??

[phoenix26x]

Blockquoth the FAQ:

So the quick answer is: "Sure, caching would be neat." It would make things a lot easier when servers go down, but it's a complicated issue that would need to be thought through in great detail before being implemented.

Answered by: CmdrTaco
Last Modified: 6/14/00

Has anyone else noticed that the amount of requests for this feature has increased dramatically in the past few weeks? Could it have something to do with the introduction of subscriptions?

Re:Cached articles??

[OneFix]

Won't happen because if they put ads on those pages, then the sites that were cached would probably sue.

If they can't make money off a page, then it won't be made available. It would essentially have to be completely free to avoid litigation...which would be be giving away bandwidth (eating into profit magins).

So, while it'ld be great, it's not gonna happen on here. Now, someone could create a bot like AlterSlash is/was? that caches the pages before they are slammed...but, of course, we know how they feal about that.

Re:Cached articles??

[LMCBoy]

There's no need to speculate what Taco et al. are thinking with regards to caching linked webpages, it's spelled out nicely in the FAQ.

As it says there, the problem is a matter of courtesy to sites that generate revenue from banner ads. They say nothing about being bandwidth-limited or technically challenged.

This gets pointed out each time somebody asks about caching...surely you saw one of them?

The most innovative suggestion I've seen recently is that slashdot look for the <META> tags that
a site can use to tell google not to cache their page. Or perhaps they can invent their own META tag, although I personally think it should be opt-in, not opt-out (i.e., the default should be that slashdot will not cache; only if the slashdot meta tag is found will a cache be created).

Re:Cached articles??

[Aanallein]

*grins* pointing to the FAQ hasn't stopped requests like these being made. Sure, my reply won't accomplish that either, but I tried to show thought processes in my reply that could be followed without needing any other input, not even something as obvious as a FAQ. Thought processes you'd expect people who posts here at slashdot to be able to recreate on their own - preferably even before posting.
*adds a big fat wink to the person who'd posted the original request here* - not meaning to slam you... merely poking a bit of harmless fun perhaps...

Re:Cached articles??

[deepestblue]

Answer from the Slashdot FAQ

Re:Cached articles??

[LMCBoy]

A plot fiendishly clever in its intricacies!

:)

Re:Cached articles??

[GrandCow]

Well instead of blaming the editors, why don't the submitters be held accountable? If you're going to submit an article to /. be responsible and link to the google cache in the article you're submitting. Why does it have to be the editors responsibility? This site is based on input from everyone, so we have noone but ourselves to yell at.

Re:Mandrake's PHP Hammered: Announcement Text Belo

[RollingThunder]

Postfix 20010228

Not that I can use the default one (I need LDAP built-in, which afaik the rpm doesn't have), but it would be nice for them to be running something newer, like, say Postfix 1.1 which came out in mid January. There's been a lot of refinements since then.

Share your upgrade experiences

[Anonymous Bullard]

In the past Mandrake users were often recommended to do a "clean install" instead of an upgrade over existing version. Does the 8.2 upgrade go smoothly over previous versions 8.0 and 8.1 or is the user-un-friendly clean install suggestion still valid?

PS. Does anyone know of any simple GUI utility for backing up and restoring ~/home if it comes to that...?

Re:Share your upgrade experiences

[Junta]

This is a good reason to have /home as a separate partition :) In any case, backing up home is easy if you have a place to stick the tarball.
tar czvf home.tar.gz /home should give you a nice backup that preserves ownership and permissions to stick somehwere...
Don't need a GUI for something that straightforward...

I personally keep all data that I want persistant accross installs on non-root partitions: /opt, /home, and /usr/local are the key htings I keep around when I upgrade. I also have extra software installs and multimedia files, but I keep those on the file server, and there it is also kept separate from the partitions the distro gets to screw with (and on a RAID array).

Re:Share your upgrade experiences

[Anonymous Bullard]

Thanks Junta. I've been actually trying to do a little handholding for a pair of recent Mandrake newbies who've found the official tech support a little, ahem, too little handholding for them. They're Windows dual-boot converts and genuinely afraid of using console so they'd really appreciate having something that straightforward...

Me? I'm hoping that sooner or later they'll end up with a distro that allows them to use simple GUI tools for all the mundane tasks. Mandrake's Drak* wizards are heaven-sent for them and me - they'll happily pay for the convenience, and I'll end up with more free time.

FWIW I might be a battle-hardened trouble-shooter but I can't really code to save my life so on behalf of myself and my "proteges" great big thanks to each and every contributor. You rock!

Re:Share your upgrade experiences

[opkool]

Use ARK (ark) also know as "Archiver". It is a basic WinZip clone for Linux (not really, but, well, you get the idea. Nice GUI application that just works as expected.

And make sure that you convince them to buy one box from Mandrake!

Re:Share your upgrade experiences

[Anonymous Coward]

You can simply create a separate partition assigned to your user directory (/home), and then when you install a new version of Linux you just format the other partition and the /home partition is intact. (You can create/format partitions from the Mandrake installer)

If you don't have the /home partition yet, enter the setup, create a new partition, cancel the setup, boot into the old version, copy your /home to the new partition, and then proceed to install the new version.

I guess they were right...

[mnordstr]

This article apparently was correct, even though everyone complained...

I still don't like their packaging

[Isldeur]

The one thing I never liked (don't know if they still do it, but it was done this way in 8.1) is the way that they take large pakages (such as KDE) and put all of the files in non-standard (according to KDE, I suppose) directories. There's no /opt/kde2, everything is dispersed around the system... /usr/share/kde2/lib, etc...

While I suppose that this is the "right" way to do it in one sense, it makes adding in other KDE software (whether compiling or what not) very difficult.

You've got to do some nasty configure black-magic like ./configure --prefix=/usr/blah --bindir=blah blah. Does it have to be this way??

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope, and the only distro on the planet that has your linux box correct is Slackware...

X is right,apache is right, perl is right...

Redhat is worse than Mandrake in moving crap around for what THEY deem is good... yeah, let's ignore the people that wrote that app...

Slackware is the ONLY linux distro worth a damn... everything else is an example on how to confuse people.

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[seann]

I just assume mandrake/redhat users aren't susposed to compile programs.

That's been my understanding.

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[LMCBoy]

I agree, altough I can't think of a sense in which throwing everything under /usr is the "right" way. Redhat does it as well...anyone know why?

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[garett_spencley]

The reason Mandrake does it that way is to be 100% compatible with Redhat. The idea is that you can install any redhat rpm on a mandrake machine.

I don't agree with this but that's their explanation anyway.

I really wish they would drop this whole redhat compatibility thing and just follow the LSB.IMO the more distros that follow the LSB the better. It's the best way that I can see to be "compatible" with other distros.

In the beginning Mandrake was RH with bug fixes, toys and compiled specifically for i586. But it has since grown in to much more than that. Ever since 7.0 they've broken away from that whole "redhat++" thing and I think it's time for them to break this compatibility issue and start following a standards base rather than acheiving compatibility by following another non-standard distro.

It just doesn't make much sense to me especially if the idea is to make Linux more consistent which seems to be part of what Mandrake is about.

It's really quite ironic.

P.S: And you know what the worst part about it is? Mandrake still installs a /etc/redhat-release file.

--
Garett

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Anonymous Coward]

I think that /opt is "banned" by LSB (Linux Standard Base). /opt is ugly and non-standard. /usr/ is where all the programs that aren't in the base-packages should go.

And when you compile, ./configure --prefix=/usr should do the trick.

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Anonymous Coward]

> I think that /opt is "banned" by LSB (Linux Standard Base). /opt is ugly and non-standard. /usr/ is where all the programs that aren't in the base-packages should go.

Nope; /opt is where packages installed by the local admin, not part of the distribution's original install, go. That enables you to track what you've done vs what the original install does, so that if upgrading == reinstalling, you don't lose the additional packages you've installed.

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Tsujigiri]

> I think that /opt is "banned" by LSB (Linux Standard Base). /opt is ugly and non-standard. /usr/ is where all the programs that aren't in the base-packages should go.

Nope; /opt is where packages installed by the local admin, not part of the distribution's original install , go. That enables you to track what you've done vs what the original install does, so that if upgrading == reinstalling, you don't lose the additional packages you've installed.

I read that too (FHS - 3.12). So from that point of view, would not a distribution installing KDE in /opt/kde be violating the FHS if it is part of the basic install? And that the Redhat/Mandrake way of doing it is in fact right?

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Rooktoven]

From FSH:
.../opt is reserved for the installation of add-on application software packages.

What is the point of littering the entire /usr/bin dir with KDE and Gnome programs? It may be arguable that /usr is the correct place for all the individual parts of the window manager/desktop suites, but that is pretending that the parts are not part of a larger structrure.

It is a much larger hassle to to clean/install/amend KDE and Gnome if the parts are in /opt. My interpretation is both approaches are OK according to the letter of the law. It just so happens that using /opt is the clean, simpler approach. No wonder Slackware is the only one that gets it right ;)

Notice I have avoided any discussion of placement of Windowmaker, Blackbock, Icewm, etc...

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Rooktoven]

yeah, I even previewed...It should read:

It is a much larger hassle to to clean/install/amend KDE and Gnome if the parts are in /usr.

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[praedor]

Uh, Mandrake defaults to KDE, so I would assume that makes KDE part of the original install.

In any case, I never liked the /opt thing. I see NO reason why it is better to slap on a new directory like that instead of just installing, say, kde2 into /usr/kde2, or kde3 into /usr/kde3, etc. Then you get the same "benefit" of /opt but without that silly extra, hanging-out-there-by-itself directory.

I have java installed in its own /usr/jre directory, and would prefer kde be in its own /usr/kde directory (instead of scattered around /usr, /usr/lib, /usr/include, etc. Just don't give me /opt.

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Anthony Boyd]

I really wish they would drop this whole redhat compatibility thing and just follow the LSB.

Garett Spencley is right! And while they're at it, it would be excellent if Mandrake dropped GCC 2.96 and either used 2.95 or 3.0.4 (or 3.1). Man, if they did those 2 things, I'd buy more frequently (so far, I've only bought 8.0, although I'm buying 8.2 if it's even close to stable).

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[moZer]

Hmm...I am pretty sure that a configure script can figure what $KDEDIR is, which sets the prefix (to /usr) and then libdir/bindir/whateverdir is set according to that. So actually the only thing you need to do is "./configure". Couldn't be simpler.

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[kn.]

?

[kn@schmerle kn]$ cat /etc/mandrake-release
Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Bluebird) for i586
[kn@schmerle kn]$ gcc --version
3.0.4

done.

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Anonymous Coward]

"I really wish they would drop this whole redhat compatibility thing and just follow the LSB."

Considering the market share of RH and Mdk, LSB should consider changing that standard. If +75% of the user base have another, working standard why even bother trying to change them? Politics?

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Anthony Boyd]

[kn@schmerle kn]$ gcc --version
3.0.4

done.

Is that a standard install??? If so, that's great! Thanks kn!

Re:I still don't like their packaging

[Anonymous Coward]

for a long time you had to re write some env variables, but that was fixed in 8.1 :)

Damnit!!!

[Unknown Poltroon]

I jost downloaded the whole damn 3 disk install of the 8.1. Damnit. Thatll teach me to read the up and coming release notes. Damnit

Re:Damnit!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

No problem dude, just do an apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade. Oh yea, I forgot you can't do that with Manshit. ;-)

Whoohoo! Only a few more weeks...

[cnelzie]

...before I can download it from am FTP server!!!

I am very impressed with the tools that they are inlcuding in this release. The best is the ability to RIGHT-CLICK on a folder and then LEFT-CLICK on SHARE!!!

That is the greatest feature to add to Linux. The medium sized computer manufacturer that I work for is very interested in being able to use Linux in their Server products. Since most of their technical staff and clients have no interest in learning how to configure Samba, this will be a great help.

Now, all they will have to do is have me or a few of the other techs, go by the machines, or SSH into them to update them on occasion.

Mandrake is truly bringing Linux to the masses.

With this one feature, the market share and thus the potential number of commercial products for Linux can and hopefully will increase dramatically.

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65MB Minimum?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm glad Debian is still around fighting the bloat. 1Mbyte for the kernel + 6 for glibc and assorted files + 6 for a fully stocked /bin + about 1M /etc. That's 14 Mbytes. Where's the rest of the Mandrake bloat? I'm running Debian comfortably on a bunch of PDA's with 80 Mbyte hard drives. I've even got a C compiler on them. I'm glad I got Debian.z

Re:65MB Minimum?

[October_30th]

Too bad Debian is hopelessly out of date for modern hardware. XFree 3.x?!

Re:65MB Minimum?

[be-fan]

Uh, running Sid right here with XFree 4.1. Works perfectly. In fact, Sid is a hell of a lot more 'stable' than Mandrake 8.1. I've had several broken packages in 8.1 (especially when I enabled cooker) but I've been using Sid as long as I've used Debian, and not a single problem yet.

Re:65MB Minimum?

[devnullify]

?? Woody ships with X 4.1.0, which was recently (within the past couple of days) updated in the APT database to 4.2.0. Runs flawlessly. As a side note, I was recently looking for a decent desktop distro, tried RH7.2, the install size was almost 2GB...my Debian install was a little over 250MB right after install, missed a few libs/tools, but that was easily rectified with a few apt-get's. 250MB with X, blackbox, KDE, Gnome, and E, plus a bunch of tools. Of course I've manually bloated it now with Quake 3 etc, but Debian is definitely the best (binary based...) desktop distro. I'm interested in trying some of the source distros (GenToo and Sorecery), simply because my servers are strictly Slackware boxes trimmed down with hand compiled source for everything. Unfortunately I don't have a test box to devote to Source distros right now, so I guess I have to cope with nice binary based Debian.

Re:65MB Minimum?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hate to break it to you, but your experience isn't exactly a common one. I've known at least 12 people (as well as an entire computer science lab) who experimented with running the bleeding edge packages from Sid..it wasn't very fun when, often, one package could wind up breaking the whole system.

Re:65MB Minimum?

[Anonymous Coward]

"Where's the rest of the Mandrake bloat?"

Oh, I dunno.. some useful utilities perhaps? You can't do anything with a 14meg install except get directory listings and edit text files. For me, a useful install MUST contain the development packages as a minimum. The kernel source/object files on my system takes up 170MB for chrissakes!

In the age where most useful modern OSs are a 2Gig+ install, 65MB is hardly "bloat". You want a small OS? Install MS-DOS, it's really tiny. Or use a Commodore 64, even smaller! And since you seem to value "no bloat" more than anything else, they should both be better than Debian for you!

Re:65MB Minimum?

[Anonymous Coward]

eh
i use debian sid
and the hurd
and i can tell you
this one is real good
just u need to know linux
mandrake is cool when u don't want to be linux addict just opening yer 5 or 10 eterm in xfree ;)
i think in few years it may get better than goodold debian but not right now
and in fact
eh.. the Hurd.. real good thing comming, may be futur os with MacOSX
yea mach kernels are back guys;)
and linux kernel is real pain in the ass
mach rocks
get used to it;)

Re:65MB Minimum?

[Anonymous Coward]

> I've had several broken packages in 8.1 (especially when I enabled cooker) but I've been using Sid as long as I've used Debian, and not a single problem yet.

I take it you weren't running Sid during the PAM debacle (oops - no more logins), or the more recent issue with libpng vs KDE/Gnome?..

Re:65MB Minimum?

[Anonymous Coward]

Install size almost 2 GB in RH7.2.... You shouldn't have checked the "everything" checkbox!
If you install the whole bunch, it's about 2.1 GB, so if your install size was "almost 2 GB", then you installed everything ranging from qt1x to the latest WINE snapshot.
I for myself use redhat and I m happy with it on my SMP desktop box. And my install size was about 700 MB with Gnome, gcc, kernel-source, samba, blah-blah.

Btw if you are a Debian user (which means that you must have a clue about linux), you should know that choosing individual packages is a better thing than just checking "X environment" which is meant to be used by Joe, not by power users.

And 250 MB? X + KDE + GNOME + E? I dont know how you mangaed to do that. Even without devel packages, GCC (which is I consider absolutely necessary), kernel-source, this sounds impossible to me... And frankly speaking, the system you re getting is very small and you can proud of it... it s just unusable for anything (unless of course if you apt-get the whole bunch after the install to get the newest packages available).

-- Abraar

PS. Excuse my english!

Request for Mandrake 8.3

[brad3378]

I'd like to see a Wallet-sized rescue disk CD in the next boxed distro. Not sure how much cost it will add to the distro, but it seems like it would be inexpensive.

Yes, I know of several root/boot rescue disks,
but a disk made specifically for Mandrake might be more useful & user friendly.

Floppies are unreliable, slow, and don't hold much.

Include something like Symmantec Ghost for easy backups

Include CDRW support and USB2/firewire support for those new external burners and hard-drives.

Stupid idea? - I'd pay extra for it.
What's everybody else think?

Re:Request for Mandrake 8.3

[Max Threshold]

Just type "rescue" at the LILO prompt of installation CD #1...

Re:Request for Mandrake 8.3

[Jester998]

Indeed. Ever try deleting about 2 gigs of stuff using pure MS-DOS mode?

I recently had to wipe out a virus that had lodged itself in the C:\_RESTORE directory of someone's WinME install. Of course, Windows won't let you touch these "critical" files, so I booted to DOS mode... del *.*... wait 15 minutes... and it's still not getting anywhere very fast. Put coat on, tell customer I'll be back in 10 minutes.

Come back with Linux Mandrake 8.0 CD#1, insert, reboot, type 'rescue' at LILO prompt, mount /dev/hda1 /mnt, cd /mnt/_rescue, rm -fr *. 30 seconds later everything's wiped. Reboot WinME, full virus scan, all clean. Problem solved. :)

The Mandrake rescue feature is much more useful than just restoring a broken LILO or whatever. I now carry that CD around with my tech kit. :)

Re:Request for Mandrake 8.3

[Dave_bsr]

So true. I had nimda on a couple of computers i use, and after cleaning and cleaning and scanning and scanning...i almost had to just get out my flamethrower. Careful, surgical cleans can be nice if they work...but my mandrake rescue disk is for times when surgical work is not enough and it's time to just rm like there's no tomorrow. *smiles*...and its always a good feeling to completely wipe windows off of a machine...using a text-only interface...it just feels...so good inside.

Re:Request for Mandrake 8.3

[mathgod79]

The would have gone alot faster had you loaded smartdrv before you deleted the files...

You should have a bootdisk made with smartdrv loaded by autoexec.bat, just to make sure this doesn't happen again

Re:Request for Mandrake 8.3

[Anonymous Coward]

...and its always a good feeling to completely wipe windows off of a machine...using a text-only interface...it just feels...so good inside.

Amen to that, bro.

Re:Request for Mandrake 8.3

[Jester998]

Man... goes to show how long it's been since I really played with DOS... ;(

Maybe that one time it would have gone faster (since I had to run home to grab my Mandrake CD), but since I carry my Mandrake disk around with me all the time now, it's faster to just boot off CD than to create a Winblows boot disk.

Plus people think you're a computer god when you boot up Linux. :)

'sides... it just goes to show how shitty M$ operating systems are... the fact that the DOS included in Win98/ME needs a helper application for proper (modern) disk access is lame.

Re:Request for Mandrake 8.3

[alyandon]

Not to be off topic but if you really want a good boot disk to deal with cleaning up Windows systems do a search on Google for TechW0rm.

TechW0rm > any linux boot disk for recovering/repairing Windows installations.

Re:Request for Mandrake 8.3

[Jester998]

"cleaning up Windows systems" ... "repairing Windows installations"

What's wrong with using a Linux bootdisk to do `rm -fr *.*` ? Or, better, `for owtype in zero random zero urandom; do dd if="/dev/$owtype" of=/dev/hda1 bs=16k; done` ??? That cleans up Windows partitions, uh, really well. :)

Seriously, thanks for the tip though. I've bookmarked the page in case my trusty Mandrake boot CD is insufficient (?!?) for a given repair problem.

Re:Request for Mandrake 8.3

[Profane Motherfucker]

What the fuck, chuck? I make a few fucking comments and you mark me as a foe? In a round about asshole-esque fasion, I was applauding your fucking honesty with regard to the skillful fuckfacing of the karma whoring, and you treat me like a 2 bit slut. I am no slut, and just to prove it, I will befriend you -- despite your obvious handicap.

P2P ISO Distribution

[CaptCanuk]

So what's a big problem with Slashdotted ISO releases??? To quote MC Hammer: Hammer time. Those poor distros get nailed so hard that you can't get to an ISO at a reasonable speed for a week. And companies like Mandrake really need all the support they can get. It's great product and I'm sure they have to pay for massive bandwidth with ISO releases (even with all the mirrors from edu sites and the like). Looks like we need a p2p distribution system a la fasttrack network that allows multiple downloads from multiple hosts so that we can waterfall these ISO's. I just hope someday it will be implemented (and more importantly: used by the masses).

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[Anonymous Coward]

Would that be an enhanced version of the way Debian is ALREADY distributed?

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[jilles]

We can do that for them. Just share it with your gnutella client and gnutella will do the rest. Just make sure that you have a client that supports some of the interesting new features (super peer, distributed downloads). Limewire does it all. If enough people share their isos, there'll be plenty of bandwidth

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[ubugly2]

if p2p is good enough for all the new microsoft os's then it should be all right for linux....

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[WolfWithoutAClause]

Any of the P2P mechanisms probably have it already. Have you looked? Nice thing about P2P is that it doesn't matter if it isn't used by the masses, as long as atleast one person with the file is.

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[Anonymous Coward]

I think the point is that if enough people with decent bandwidth (no p2p off a 56k please ;) ) share the iso's, one can get everything at a high rate of speed, w/o trashing others' connections. (i.e. parallel vs. serial) So, in a really really nice world (with people using their P2P apps to download and then share the isos), the more people that download, the faster it'll be for the next person.

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[Speed Racer]

I'll be sharing it on eDonkey as soon as I can download it. I searched a few minutes ago and it doesn't look like anybody is sharing it yet. I'll post the links as a response to this post if anybody is interested. If you don't know about the donk, check out at edonkey2000.com

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[GrandCow]

I've got the ISO's I'm downloading going right into my Kazaa shared folder... how bout you?

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[Speed Racer]

First image is ready to go. Grab an eDonkey client for your favorite platform and start leeching.
Mandrake82-cd1-inst.i586.iso

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[Speed Racer]

Second image is up. Mandrake82-cd2-ext.i586.iso

BTW, if you find a server with the RC1 images, they are identical to the actual release images so abuse their bandwitdh. Make sure you hash 'em to make sure they are the same.

Re:P2P ISO Distribution

[Speed Racer]

It looks like Slashdot isn't smart enough to deal with eDonkey links.

Here's a page with eDonkey links to all 3 cd images. http://www.geocities.com/beansisfat/

Remember...

[Anonymous Coward]

... just became you CAN do it... doesn't mean you should. And just because all your friends are doing it, doesn't mean you have to!

StarOffice 6.0????

[friedmud]

Is it the Beta or what? www.sun.com/staroffice still says 5.2 is the newest version - anyone have the info?

Derek

Re:StarOffice 6.0????

[Max Threshold]

Uh, I think that's supposed to be OpenOffice. Oops.

This is not news for /.

[Anonymous Coward]

Its for Mandrake forum

Mandrake in trouble

[Anonymous Coward]

For all those saying how nice a product this is and how you are downloading the ISO's as you type, something to consider...

Right on Mandrake's site is what I would call a plea, and what otehrs would call begging for money.

"Mandrake Linux distribution's short-term future is in jeopardy due to a simple factor: money"

So perhaps just this once people can go out and buy some CD's to help support this company and make sure there is another release in the future.

I saw someone else say this earlier, but it got modded up to 2 as Funny... I don't know why buting the CD's to support a company in financial trouble is funny though.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[Anonymous Coward]

blablabla, we don't care. It's their job to give it away, they have to abide by the GPL.

Am I downloading it? Yes sure. Will I pay for it? No, not if I can get it or any other linux distribution for free.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[OneFix]

They only have to give the source to you if you buy it...

They are not obligated to give binaries to anyone who hasn't purchased their distribution...

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[Anonymous Coward]

Why?
I never pay Micros~1 for their stuff and they're doing OK.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[BgJonson79]

Or you could DL is the ISOs and donate to Mandrake directly, through a credit card, like what I did today (not to trump myself up... but it's good to give support to the industry).

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[moankey]

Problem is you cant give people something free and then turn it around. First it was free then they need money, I understand the reasons but some people just cant swallow that whole concept. Either charge to begin with or dont ever, look at what happened to Napster.

At least with something like Microsoft you know your handing over money to begin with.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[Anonymous Coward]

"So perhaps just this once people can go out and buy some CD's"

Couldn't you ahve written this a little bit earlier? Ok, I'll skip my remaining 3*125 MB treble downloads and wait five weeks until it gets to the stores.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[Anonymous Coward]

Not to troll, but you've just demonstrated exactly why many companies will never get into Linux... and why Loki went bankrupt. OK, I know there were some shady (sp?) dealings in the backroom of Loki, but the point is that the Linux crowd has a big reputation for being a bunch of leaches that are not willing to pay for anything.

It's nice to get software for free, but sometimes, you have to pay for some of it to keep the rest, well, free. We can't keep getting everything for free; do you want to be stuck with Debian being the Last Man Standing?

If I was not unemployed (get into computers, they said in the '70s. It's the wave of the future, you'll never be out of work! Yeah, right), I'd pay Mandrake for their distro. I know if I want them to be still there later one, I'll have to give them some money. And I want Mandrake to be there, because Debian will never bring us the level of fit-n-finish (Aunt Tillie-friendly) that commercial distros can bring us. The GPL should not prevent them from being able to make a living out of bringing us a Linux distro usable by mere mortals.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[hendridm]

Agreed. For a group that is driven by community development, we aren't always willing to offer community support to our favorite companies.

> If I was not unemployed (get into computers, they said in the '70s. It's the wave of the future, you'll never be out of work! Yeah, right), I'd pay Mandrake for their distro.

I'm in the same boat. Although I'm using Debian at the moment, I would pay for the Mandrake club just to support as what I perceive as the other great distro. Unfortunately, as a recent MIS graduate, I can't find work and I'm about to sell my winter jacket here in Wisconsin just to afford next month's rent. I now realize the folly of my ways (hindsight is 20x20), but I remember them selling me on the idea of majoring in MIS five years ago because I would be gaurenteed to find a job and could expect to earn a lot of money. Horse pucky! I consider myself "above average" and on-par with most of the CS graduates through job experience and personal persistence and I keep getting turned down due to lack of experience. I particularly loved this quote from my alma mater's web site on why to study MIS:

> Well paid. The annual salary range for an entry-level MIS trainee with a bachelor's degree is $45,000-$52,000.

Note "entry level". I visit that page once in awhile for a good laugh. EVERYONE, even entry level, wants experience. Everyone.

It would be cool if someone would organize a class action lawsuit. Too bad I'm a lazy bitch and lack hard evidence.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[Anonymous Coward]

"majoring in MIS" and "on-par with most of the CS graduates" do not go together. read the paper linked to from next /. article, about the 272 bit UTM. don't get it? didn't think so. since you're unemployed, though, you might as well go back to school so you can figure it out.

the reason so many MIS/IS/IT/etc people are unemployed now is that they think they know more than they do, they told recruiters about it, the recruiters believed them, and when these masses people couldn't perform it destroyed the tech industry. those of us who are CS graduates, though, had no trouble surviving the crunch.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[Eric Damron]

You may as well save your breath. By the tone of this guys messages he's either a gradeschooler or immature high school student.

A lot of people don't realize that if we don't support the company's that support us we all lose in the end.

The great thing about Linux compays is that if you can't afford to contribute you are still allowed to download the distribution. This is empowering and if we can break out of the box and do what is necessary then it will be a good thing for us all.

Don't expect any high standards from this individual. Lots of people complain about Microsoft but are unwilling to support anything better.

I believe that open source company's will fail because we as a society try to apply our traditional capitalistic values on a very untraditional business model.

Also, I sensed by the original posters comment "We don't care.. "(If Mandrake goes out of business.) That he may not have a lot of compation for the needs of other people. Imagine if the world had no one who felt differently! Not a world I would like to live in.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[hendridm]

Ahh yes, I've seen this arrogance before. Only a true CS professional could carry it so well. Thanks for the advice, but I know myself better than you do.

I realize there are things that CS people know that I don't, but I also like to think the opposite is true. You obviously lack a any sort of social skills which is one area I have the advantage.

Re:Mandrake in trouble

[djmcmath]

I agree -- buy the CDs! I've just finished reading like 50 posts about how awesome the company is and how great the product is, followed by the completely illogical "I'm downloading the ISOs right now!" I have a fast connection, but tomorrow I'll go out and purchase the distro. Maybe two, 'coz I know someone who'd appreciate a copy of their own. Just think, for the price of a couple of take-out pizzas, you can support your favorite company, the future of Linux, American freedom, and Momma's Apple Pie. Well, maybe not the apple pie, but it's a good idea anyway. :)

BLOATED!

[Anonymous Coward]

Mandrake 8.2
Complete bloated compressed in 3 CDs.

Great!

[Anonymous Coward]

Im downloading the ISO's right now.

8.2 Is great news especially when 2002 looks like a great year for linux with releases like

• KDE 3.0
  
• Gnome 2.0
  
• Mozilla 1.0
  

I thank mandrake for making such a great OS to replace my aging old windows 98 OS. I hope 8.2 is the best mandrake yet.

Re:Great!

[Max Threshold]

Mozilla 1.0

Yeah right.

Re:Great!

[DimitryP]

if you round the current one up, you get 1.0

Re:Great!

[Anonymous Coward]

How long did it take from 0.9 to 0.99?

Re:Great!

[Anonymous Coward]

Mozilla 1.0's due out in April; they're probably using some kinda 1.0-rc1 or some such.

Why not? Subscribe to the Club, instead of buying

[JM]

Of course, Mandrake needs the cash...

But when you buy a box, specially in stores, there's only a small portion of your cash that goes to the developers. Manufacturing, packaging, shipping, support, distributor's and retailer's margins take the major part of the revenue.

When you subscribe to the Club, you make sure the cash will be spent directly on the Mandrake Linux open-source development, you have access to all the software, including commercial applications, and a lot of Club privileges.

Besides, the boxes won't be available until a few weeks, so join the club and you can download everything today.

intel 830M chipsets

[timothy]

So I foolishly bought a new laptop, figuring that all modern laptops were well supported by all modern Linux distros ... foolish, like I said ;)

Glad to see that the i830M chipset listed as supported under XFree 4.2, BUT -- mandrake's hardware list only lists it as supported under "video." Does this mean that the integrated video on my Satellite 1005-S157 (ridiculously cheap, I saw one online for just under $700, I paid $800 with a discount) will work, but not the sound? 3D acceleration doesn't matter, but sound really would be nice.

Right now, after trying all the options I could to get it to work as an i810 chipset and failing (try googling for XF86 and i830M -- lots of hard-luck cases, a few successes.) Looks like I now have a Windows XP laptop, and Win XP may be more stable than any Windows I've used yet (none very much, so not a big comparison), but ugly and annoying. I hope that 8.2 will go on nicely. No "pirated" software on here, but I would rather have a nice pretty (and *working*) Mandrake or other Linux on this machine, so I could the software I want running free in its native habitat :) [yes, I know there are Win32 versions of GIMP, Xchat, etc, but I don't feel like downloading them over dialup in a motel ;)]

Anyone with one of these laptops who's tested it with Mdk8.2? :) If yes, I hope it's been successful!

timothy

Re:intel 830M chipsets

[smoondog]

(Slightly OT) The problem with the i830M often lies in the vendor bios. A good summary of a potential solution (and further problems) is the linux w/ the dell c400:

http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/linux/c400.html

Hope this helps.

-Sean

Re:intel 830M chipsets

[Anonymous Coward]

The beta works fine with that exact laptop.

I see no reason that the release would be any different.

*sigh*

[cgreuter]

Late last night, I finally finished my upgrade Mandrake 8.1.

It figures.

Re:*sigh*

[Anonymous Coward]

Me too! It always happens.

Interestingly my 8.0 --> 8.1 upgrade wasn't smooth. Some things that worked in 8.0 stopped working in 8.1. I hope 8.2 does a better job.

Re:*sigh*

[Anonymous Coward]

My Mandrake 8.1-->Debian GNU/Linux Woody upgrade went suprisingly smooth. ;-) I'm still glad I chose the partitioning scheme I did 4 years ago on this hard drive. I just keep /home from being formatted, wipe all the other partitions, install fresh and voila. New Linux distro up and running in no time. No fucking around with "upgrades" that never seem to work out right.

SuSE is better (duck!)

[kikensei]

IMHO of course. Actually Mandrake is great. There's no such thing as the "best" distro, whatever works for you. I think SuSE is getting limited acknowledgment 'cause you can't download the ISO's. It is free to copy and you can install via ftp if you'd like. SuSE's YOU (Yast Online Update) and Yast package manager seem far easier to newbie's than Mandrake's equivalent. (haven't tried urpmi, which looks good). You can get SuSE Pro version for $49 bucks including the full DVD and 8 CD's if you buy the "update" version (full without manuals). Some may still prefer Mandrake, but really TRY SuSE. It'll surprise you. I know quite a few Windows "power user" discussion boards where people try Mandrake (as of 8.1) and come back swearing off linux for good. These are the same people that change winXP themes twice a day. SuSE is just easier to get going in 3D gaming (if you've got nvidia at least), make online system updates (as easy as windows updating) and 8.0 comes with KDE3. I've been running KDE3 beta 2 on my 7.3 PC since its release and I'm amazed at how quick and stable it is. If SuSE actually tries to start requiring licenses (mentioned online somewhere today) than I'll be bailing the distro pretty quickly though. Until then I've found my linux distro.

Re:SuSE is better (duck!)

[thryllkill]

How is SuSE support for the Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL modem.

That is the one reason I am looking to Mandrake now, I started learning Linux on a SuSE machine, and I liked everything about it.

Please don't call me lame for the USB DSL modem, it was free and I am poor...

Re:SuSE is better (duck!)

[Anonymous Coward]

"If SuSE actually tries to start requiring licenses (mentioned online somewhere today) than I'll be bailing the distro pretty quickly though. Until then I've found my linux distro.
"

Exactly the reason OSS will never succeed

Re:SuSE is better (duck!)

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes. I happen to agree with you on that. Although, it is really a personal preference. I am also running Redhat 7.2, but the only distribution I could install on my Asus notebook was Suse. Everything else just crapped out on me. I have run Mandrake before and I also did like it. FreeBSD and Slackware is also nice and Debian just keeps biting me.

I already ordered 8.0 directly from Suse (yes, cut out Best Buy) and I am looking forward to KDE 3 (I just hope it's final code).

Re:SuSE is better (duck!)

[Anonymous Coward]

> Exactly the reason OSS will never succeed

Never succeed at what, exactly? "OSS" is a pretty large bucket to dump all Linux and *BSD distributions.

Re:SuSE is better (duck!)

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh please please - read bloody comments on that licensing thing. It was about enterprise version, not about home and pro. Those are same as always. Enterprise on other hand always been more requiring in terms of support - so they just will have to pay for it. So SuSE wouldnt fall in same pit as Mandrake 8) (duck)

Re:SuSE is better (duck!)

[Anonymous Coward]

> SuSE's YOU (Yast Online Update) and Yast
> package manager seem far easier to newbie's
>
My lady has 7.3. My advice was, of course, install, turn everything off you don't need (I helped) and then install the updates. PAINFUL!!! While the interface is quite nice, the damn thing didn't work. Now by a long shot. In fact, at some point she *thought* she had updated everything when in fact nothing was done at all other than some semi-done downloading. Finally it seemed to work, only to completely mess up her outgoing (K)mail. That's all it took for her to install Win98 and Eudora again :-(
Suse seems very nice and in a lot of ways they have the right ideas. But the execution at least in 7.3 was not too cool. And no, there's no need for a simple home desktop station to have a "ps ax" list that spans over three screens with stuff even I have never heard of...

Re:SuSE is better (duck!)

[prefect42]

You've modded this post up when he says Yast is far easier than mandrake's equivalent (which he hasn't tried). Please. urpmi has proved to be a good apt-get equivalent, which is easy to configure and doesn't fall over. "SuSE is easier to get going in 3D gaming"? Where does this hold any water? All my kit has been correctly detected and configure first time by mandrake, and I'm confused as to how that can improve.

I just can't believe modding sometimes...

YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution)

[Hercynium]

OK, I'm already known for being a guy who tells it ilke it is.

I've been a linux user since 1995, cutting my teeth on Slackware 2. Since then I have seen linux evolve, grow, change directions and broaden it's horizons.

Here's the lowdown on Mandrake: I thoroughly believe that Mandrake Linux is the single most balanced distrubution available. I have used it for enterprise-scale web servers, for applications development, and even for an experimental wireless data-retrieval system in peru (the very complete internationalization of the Mandrake distro made it the ideal candidate, as well as it's ability to scale down MUCH smaller that I could ever get a red-hat system)

It's also dandy as a day-to-day desktop workstation.

However, It has it's caveats, like any distro. It's still too large. I'd like to see what you get with a 65 meg install. If it's got internationalization and a functional x-server as well as some basic ncurses-type config tools, I may end up switching from my own LFS system (weighing in at about 90 megs right now.) Also, like redhat, the configuration tools are a little too complex. If they decide to switch to ONE config manager and ONE only, that doesen't mess with your own customizations, I'll finally start using them. As it is, I don't install any of them, and I edit all files by hand, a-la slackware. However, if you're a newbie, all the drak* tools are VERY well done and perform in a fairly straightforward manner, as long as you're not getting jiggy with the .rc's.

I must admit, I have a soft spot for Debian, especially as it's going to inherit the HURD, and apt is soooo schweet, but give rpm-drak a try. I hope you won't be disappointed.

Other than that, well, I'd encourage anybody who believes in supporting an excellent distro to go out and buy a copy, or Subscribe. It's going to be worth the money.

Re:YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution)

[Anonymous Coward]

You are a very vulgar person, but I suppose it goes with your nickname.

Anyway, I think Debian is one of the easier distributions to use. apt-get is so slick. GUIs are immaterial. If you want a good GUI, run Windows or OS X. If you want a good server, run Linux.

Re:YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution)

[Some Dumbass...]

However, It has it's caveats, like any distro. It's still too large. I'd like to see what you get with a 65 meg install.

When discussing Mandrake's "small install" options, let's remember that all the binaries which ship with Mandrake (at least in the x86 version - the most popular one by far) are 586 optimized. What's the smallest hard drive you've ever seen in a Pentium?

Personally, I'm a bit surprised that they bothered. I don't the idea is to make a "Mandrake for older systems", which is the point of many small distros (such as Tiny). More likely, they're aiming for those expert users who just want the core programs and libraries, and will build their own system from there. For example, users who are setting up a minimal server with as little unnecessary code as possible lying around (in which case I would think that XFree and internationalization tools would not be included).

Re:YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution)

[Jester998]

"they're aiming for those expert users who just want the core programs and libraries, and will build their own system from there."

That's what I'm gonna do. :) I have an old 540MB hard drive kicking around... gonna swap that with the 2.6GB drive that's currently in my firewall/router machine, then rebuild the box from scratch on the 540MB drive using the minimal install option... then install SSH and all the other stuff I need, then put the firewall back into production. Last time I built it, I used Mandrake 8.0 and managed to trim that down to about 150MB... this time around it'll be even smaller, hopefully. :)

I have a feeling I'm really going to like the minimal install option... Now it'll be very easy to do Linux From Scratch, because you won't need an existing Linux installation to do it!

Re:YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution)

[Anonymous Coward]

If it's got internationalization and a functional x-server as well as some basic ncurses-type config tools, I may end up switching from my own LFS system (weighing in at about 90 megs right now.)
Don't do that!
Seriously,
If you wanna use it as a base for LSF, go with something like rootLinux or even slackware.
If you want to be more productive but still have all the control over it, go with gentoo or RockLinux (the first being my choice) - these are "source based" distros - everything is built from scratch (base system bootstrapped), you see all what's going on (all the flags and patches to regular sources). And you spend very little of YOUR time on basics, which you can spend on building wrapper to what is missing for you and let others use it.

Re:YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution)

[dvNull]

If you really want to do a Linux from scratch type install, try Gentoo. You get a bootable ISO and you can build your entire system using their tools. Their portage system IMHO runs circles around apt-get and freebsd ports.

Gentoo is in freeze for 1.0 . Try it out. You wont be disappointed

http://www.gentoo.org

dvNull

Re:YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution)

[Jester998]

Just took a quick look at Gentoo's site... and I must say that it looks pretty damned cool. I'm definitely going to keep an eye on that thing and give it a go when it hits 1.0-stable.

Thanks for the info!

Mandrake = BSD = DEAD

[Anonymous Coward]

Everyone knows that Mandrake's going under fast. In a poll on a major news site, 1% of users favored Mandrake. The other 99% said CowDrakeNeal was their favorite distro.

Dead. Dead! DEAD! DEAD!@!#~!@!!@!!! Muhahahahahahaha!!! All free software is gonna DIE!!!

Anyone wondering why I'm posting anonymously? ;)

Re:Mandrake = BSD = DEAD

[Anonymous Coward]

I just assumed that it was because you're a loser.

Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Malc]

What is this obsession with downloading and burning these huge ISO's? All that bandwidth that gets consumed, yet how many of the programs in the image sit idle and never used? Since I recently converted from Mandrake to Debian, I've got to say, I've turned against the idea of having ISOs. With a fast internet connection, it's so much easier and quicker to just download the boot disk and then just download during setup what you really need. The only useful purpose that I see to ISO's is for creating CDs for people without a good connection, or if you're going to have multiple installs.

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Principito]

I have converted from Mandrake to Debian as well (and I'm very happy I did!). I figured this would be a good place to link the Debian CD page: http://www.debian.org/CD/. Debian's minimal bootable CD is a great idea for those who like to keep a CD handy. You download about 37 MB, burn it to a CD (or a buisness card size CD!), and from there you can do a Debian netinstall... just downloading what you want. -Mike

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[HeUnique]

eh??

Enter Redhat world - one FLOPPY diskette (the netboot.img one) - boot it, put an IP (assuming that your network is connected through another Linux gateway), and continue to install from there while downloading what you need only - from the net..

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[alexmeaden]

ISOs are probably the easiest installation method for many people. You say that you can install Debian directly from the FTP server using only a small boot disk, you can do the same with Mandrake! Just download the file network.img and dd it to a floppy disk. You can then install directly from the internet. This is only feasible however if you have an ethernet internet connection (DSL, cable etc), which many people don't. If you're going to perform multiple installations on the same network, download the ISOs (easier download), then extract the contents to a local NFS/FTP/HTTP server, then do network installations. Makes things much easier and faster than using CDs!

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Anonymous Coward]

Because that way I ruined my Mandrake 8.0 installation. I rather burn three CDs than myself one more time.

And, I have a 2.5 MBit DSL connection.

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[npietraniec]

The first time I ever installed Mandrake (7.1) was over the net via a boot floppy. Very simple... Simpler than my friend who was installing debian over the net... Also, I believe Mandrake was gone through several versions since then, while Debian is still on the exact same version. CDs are nice to have if you plan on doing multiple installations... Saves bandwidth in the long run.

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[TiggerStripe]

Multiple installs. That's the key right there. Plus you can use the bootable CD 1 for basic recovery in some (many? most??) cases.. Haven't had to yet, but the option is present. Plus, of course, you can toss your buds a copy any time, saving the mirrors some serious bandwidth.

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Wolfier]

The idea that a CD is being "tangible"?

That you know in advance that you'll always have a backup installation to fall onto, that always works, without worrying whether your network connection is down?

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Principito]

Ya same idea. I'm glad glad too more then one distro is saving bandwidth

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[rweir]

Fortunately Debian has this covered as well. Have a look at debian-cd: it'll take your downloaded debs, and build an installable, bootable CD.

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Nameles]

Too bad last time I tried it didn't work. Or whatever their "roll your own iso" program was called (at least I think you're talking about the same thing)

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[rweir]

Was it a program to build an ISO which you can then install from? If so, you're missing the point.

If your connection is fast enough to download entire .ISOs, then just use apt-get or dselect or whatever to download whichever packages you actually want. If, after doing that, you still want something to burn onto CD, use debian-cd to convert your downloaded packages to a Debian archive ISO.

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Wolfier]

Actually, no matter how fast my connection is, I always want a CD. Having a fast connection is one thing, having a stable always-online connection is another.

There might just be one day, electricity runs out on your non-UPS equipped box, a few times when your disk is being fscked. And the ISP is down too. A CD will be your savior.

Don't laugh, it actually happened to my box and it scared the daylight outta me. Luckily my data wasn't affected and fsck finally finished without errors.

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[tester13]

Because I have Verizon's PPOE DSL. Does anyone know of a distro that supports boot disks over this protocol?

Just wondering

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Dynedain]

Ive got a nice wonderfully fast internet connection....only problem is I must connect through a Cisco VPN 5000 server....hence, I need ISOs to do installs

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Scooby Snacks]

You can download a couple of floppies with Debian and get started, as well. Personally, I like to go ahead and download the base system (~20MB) and make it available from another machine on my network. Saves time once you get into the install.

After that, apt-get your way to whatever kind of setup you want...

Re:Why this obsession with ISO's?

[Arker]

Umm all of them?

I would assume. They'd have to do something pretty damn lame to break pppd.

http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/janou/pppoe.shtml

Mandrake Upgrade?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm running an older version of Mandrake right now,
and I was wondering how difficult it would be to upgrade to Slackware.
Does anyone have any insight about this? Thanks.

Not just for babies anymore

[JM]

Have a look at the latest Netcraft survey, and look for Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer.

That's Mandrake's optimized version of Apache, in use by more than 75,000 web servers, more than Domino or Stronghold (Redhat's secure server).

So it might be the best one for beginners, but it's used on a lot of servers too.

DAMN!

[sconeu]

Just last night, I updated the to the 2802 nVidia drivers... and to Mozilla 0.9.8! I could have waited a day... At least I didn't download the 8.1 ISOs last night :-P

Re:DAMN!

[Anonymous Coward]

I DID download the 8.1 ISO last night... :(

grrr

[Anonymous Coward]

I really wish /. articles could wait until AFTER I get the distro to publish. Now every mirror is saturated.

Mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought his code pretty much sucked...opps I thought you were talking about Geoff "Mandrake" Harrison..... :) my bad

Re:WARNING GOATSE.CX LINK

[Anonymous Coward]

You know, I think more people have been directed to the goatse.cx link by posting the URL title in the reply header as opposed to linking it into the body of the reply.

Despite what the moderators will say, I claim that this is +1, insightful, perhaps even +2, funny ;)

Hardly

[Pac]

OpenOffice version numbering does not follow this pattern (current OpenOffice version is build 641C).

And StarOffice 6.0 is about to be officially launched (this week or the next). So I think it is really SO 6.0.

Re:Hardly

[Anonymous Coward]

it is really SO 6.0. But all users get to use OpenOffice.org 641C, which RPMs are on the downloadable CDs.

Re:Hardly

[nedrichards]

No, this is OpenOffice.org 641c. I'm a volunteer at OpenOffice and the Mandrake people have been doig some good things. When we release 1.0 sometime in April they'll ship that rather than the commercial StarOffice 6 I think.

So does it support HomePNA yet?

[Uttles]

Or will that ever happen? HPNA might suck when you compare it to ethernet, but for those of us living in an apartment and having the only widspread outlets being phone outlets, HPNA is perfect. Yes we could run ethernet cable all over the place, but that would be more inconvenience than it's worth. This Mandrake stuff, supposed to be Linux for the home user, should really support Home PNA if they do in fact care about us lowly convenience people...

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it's a symlink, guess its for compatiability

[tube013]

ls -l red* && more mandrake-release
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar 16 15:36 redhat-release -> mandrake-release
Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Bluebird) for i586

Join Mandrake Club instead

[gnugnugnu]

So perhaps just this once people can go out and buy some CD's to help support this company and make sure there is a another release in the future.

A noble sentiment, but if you want to really help then Join the Mandrake club.
If you buy CD a lot of that money goes towards packaging distribution and marketing.

--
Guilty

Re:Join Mandrake Club instead

[Tsujigiri]

A noble sentiment, but if you want to really help then Join the Mandrake club.
If you buy CD a lot of that money goes towards packaging distribution and marketing.

True, but buying boxed editions has another positive effect. If lots of people buy the boxes, more stores will stock them, giving the distribution more visibility to people who have not used Linux yet, potentially getting more new users, producing more income. So there are benefits either way.

Re:Join Mandrake Club instead

[Anonymous Coward]

> A noble sentiment, but if you want to really help then Join the Mandrake club.
If you buy CD a lot of that money goes towards packaging distribution and marketing.

To really help, do both: buy the boxed set, and donate say $30 to Mandrake. Total outlay would be the same as a Mandrake Club membership, and both benefits of both methods are accomplished.

SuSE is good, but Mandrake is more Open

[JM]

At every Linux-Expo, I go to the SuSE booth and get one of their CDs for testing. I was pretty much impressed with their Live CDs, but their regular releases are nice too.

However, I always prefered Mandrake. Not just because I work for them, but because of their development process, which got me hooked before I accepted the job. The Cooker distro lets you get new packages as soon as they're out, you can even get the changelogs by e-mail. That's a feature you won't get anywhere else.

As A Mandrake User...

[Archan]

It's great to hear the wonderful reviews of it. Please, if you dload the ISOs, at least join the Mandrake Club if you continue to use it. I have the 8.1 powerpack and I'm quite happy with it, and it's so good to hear that the next upgrade is going over so well. I am curious however about when/if Mandrake will incorporate KDE3 as SuSe is apparently releasing their 8.0 with it. I will definitely buy that upgrade when it comes as it seems that KDE is doing a wonderful job as well. Well, enough with the arse kissing, back to learning shell scripting.... -Archan

Re:As A Mandrake User...

[rdowning]

Mandrake 8.2 comes with KDE3 RC 2 but they are quick to point out that it should be considered beta quality and is not for everyday use yet. Guess they're not trying to get one up over all the other distros by offering bleeding edge software that doesnt work too well.

linux is dying

[Anonymous Coward]

This is the dying gasp of a dying distribution
of a dying operating system. Now that Mac OS X
is shipping FreeBSD in numbers that surpass all
other Unix variants combined, linux is finally
going to die the lingering that it deserves for
setting back the state of operating systems
10 years reinventing what's already in BSD.

Re:linux is dying

[Archan]

Wow, care to say that non-anonymously? meh.

Yes OS X is based off FreeBSD, but please, to say that FreeBSD is a Linux-killer is a bit of a stretch. OS X is FreeBSD for macs. Think about that for a second. I'm personally trying to keep a straight face :D

-Saint "Not hiding from the flames to come" Archan

Re:Why not? Subscribe to the Club, instead of buyi

[Iguanaphobic]

Besides, the boxes won't be available until a few weeks, so join the club and you can download everything today.

Do both. Moving boxes adds to counts of users. Club membership supports development. Support for Mandrake is what counts. Millions support Microsoft and right now, Mandrake poses one of the few threats to the Evil Empire (TM). We need to support them or once again, we'll have no choice.

*Mirrors*?

[Anonymous Coward]

Mirrors? "Download it from the mirrors"? Why is *that* your immediate reaction, you cheapskates? Buy the freaking distro or you won't have it any more!

Re:*Mirrors*?

[opkool]

I pre-ordered Mandrake 8.2 PowerPack, with manuals this last Sunday.

I just can't wait!

Those are my (more than) 2 cents (to help Mandrake)

Re:*Mirrors*?

[Anonymous Coward]

or join mandrake club like me ;)

Re:*Mirrors*?

[Anonymous Coward]

Look, I don't know about you, but I use Linux because it is free. If I have to fucking buy the distribution I'll just go back to using Windows. At least with that I can get commercial software and games for it!

Re:SuSE _the_bitch-7.3 sux

[Anonymous Coward]

Too bad SusE_7.3 fluxes many sound/vid cards and provides weird printer support. While YAST2 performs well, ALSA truly sux. Docs are written in an overly casual pigdin_en. Manual configs are all root_canals ... if anything doesn't work by default ya won't fix it! No way is SusE a fit *nix system for a casual or beginning Lusr.

Why not make a deal with google?

[gotak]

Google cache sites anyhow. They have tons of bandwidth.

I don't think it's too much trouble for them to cache pages we want quickly provided they get to post a few ads on it.

Re:Why not make a deal with google?

[penguinboy]

/. mirroring sites and inserting its own ads would no doubt result in a world of trouble.

Re:Mandrake's PHP Hammered: Announcement Text Belo

[HeUnique]

I think the announcment is a bit misleading...

There is NO Star Office 6.0 officially available - there is open office - without tons of fonts (only the free fonts), no dictionary (not the gnu old dictionary!), and tons of other stuff which is not there. So I think that they bundled a snapshot of Open Office..

Star office 6.0 WILL cost you money! How much? good question, but it won't be available freely for Linux (although you could use Open Office with the limitations I mentioned above).

FYI.

excellent!

[timothy]

That's what I was hoping to hear. I've been away from all but dialup connections for a little while now (a few weeks, with occasional 802.11 and borrowed cable modem access, but no CD-R drive at the time, typical ;)) and I have not been downloading the betas, but have been following occasionally on mandrakeforum.

If the betas worked, I trust that the real deal will too. When so, this laptop will be even more ridulous -- 1 *gigahertz* processor?! Sheesh, this is more powerful than any laptop I've ever previously *held,* never mind owned (and more powerful than any desktop I've owned, for that matter), and cost only slightly more than half what my iBook did. In 6 months, ads for laptops like this one will grudgingly admit that they're "adequate for basic word processing and limited web-access." ;)

Running a decent window manager and galeon, though, I believe I will survive OK :)

thanks for the word,

timothy

Mandrake Club a scam

[kwj8fty1]

Let me quote:

http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/

"Club-only download of commercial applications normally only available in retail products (even before the commercial packages are available in the shops!). "

So I'm a silver member. I've paid my dues. 8.2 just got released. All of the public mirrors are full. It's not for download in this 'leet members area. I'm pissed, and doubting if I'll renew my membership next year. In fact, I was thinking of calling my credit card company and having them do a chargeback on my 'new membership'.

Re:Mandrake Club a scam

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't worry, Mandrake won't be around next year. Check out their stock price! :-) Save yourself the hassle and run Debian. It's not going anywhere and has no shareholders to satisfy.

Re:Mandrake Club a scam

[Anonymous Coward]

The "club" website does not seem well advertised on thier homesite... no link. This seems dumb to me. Anyway, a few days after you subscribe, you should get an email from them with a username and password to get into http://www.mandrakeclub.com ... that's where you'll find the stuff they promised.

First stable distro to include Frozen-Bubble :-) !

[Anonymous Coward]

(Warning! this is a shameless self advertisement ;p)

Mandrake 8.2 is the first stable distro to include Frozen-Bubble, a full-featured game with colorful animated penguin eyecandy, 50 levels of 1p game, hours and hours of 2p game, 3 professional quality 20-channels musics, 15 stereo sound effects, and 7 unique graphical transition effects (erhm, this game has been sponsored by MandrakeSoft).

(my own private conclusion: you need this game ;p)

(thanks to contribs of many other people, hopefully the game is available for previous releases of Mandrake, for Debian, Red Hat and a few other distros)

gc - main programmer of Frozen-Bubble

another mirror

[BigBir3d]

here

Re:another mirror

[Anonymous Coward]

Neej... Nu blir sunet snedstreck punktad! *gurgel*

I've gone back to Debian, but I'm feeling tempted to
try out mdk8.2, Mandrake used to be my favorite distro after all.
Perhaps next time, I'm guessing KDE 3.0 and GNOME 2.0 will be ready in time for the 9.0 realase.

Sony VAIO FXA47 Laptop Power Management

[CTalkobt]

I installed RC3 on my FXA47 laptop and everything worked perfectly except :

The power consumption on the battery just drained it super quick. XP tells me I have on average ~3.4 hours at full battery ( it's a lie - it's more like 2 hours ). Linux told me I had 45 minutes and sure enough I had 45 minutes.

The fan continually runs with RC3 - with XP it turns on ocassionally. This leads me to think that the power management features of the laptop are not being utilized ( sure, RC3 supports suspend etc - but I'm talking normal operation).

Anybody know if the actual release fixes this? I'd really love to put Mandrake on it but 45 minutes is awfully short.

Re:Sony VAIO FXA47 Laptop Power Management

[Anonymous Coward]

I would guess that Linux is running in APM instead of ACPI mode, and that usually is less optimal for newer laptops.

DON'T USE IT if you have a Promise ATA133 card

[DCowern]

During testing, I discovered a bug that's related to the ATA133 patch including in Mandrake's version of the 2.4.18 kernel. If you attempt to install 8.2 with a Promise Ultra TX2 card (the ones packaged with Maxtor ATA133 drives), it will not successfully complete and will destroy your existing installation. I reported this bug on the cooker mailing list and to Mandrake's bugzilla site. It was not fixed before release. Be forewarned and wait for an updated kernel with this bug fixed. Cheers.

somebody please leech from me!!!

[TiggerStripe]

I've been sharing my Linux distros for months and months... but so far nobody has bothered taking them! It's sad, really, to hoard all this goodness to myself because people can't be bothered to spark up their fave P2P client and look for it .. Sharing this stuff is what P2P was designed for, after all :O)

Re:somebody please leech from me!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Strange, the redhat 7.2 ISOs were probably the most popular thing people pulled from my morpheus share.

Re:Mandrake's PHP Hammered: Announcement Text Belo

[Anonymous Coward]

>I think the announcment is a bit misleading...
There is NO Star Office 6.0 officially available - there is open office - without tons of fonts (only the free fonts), no dictionary (not the gnu old dictionary!), and tons of other stuff which is not there. So I think that they bundled a snapshot of Open Office..

There was another post where a Sun rep responded; Mandrake has a license to ship SO 6.0, which will be released sometime this week.

So, the announcement is correct (although confoozing to those watching the SO saga).

They should be on gnutella soon

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm almost done downloading all three of the ISO images. I'll pop them into my gnutella directory in a few minutes. I expect all you slashdotters to grab them and put them in your directories as well. Let's stop killing Mandrake's bandwidth.

I'm changing the filenames to Mandrake-82-CDn.iso
--
http://www.WhiteHatResear ch.net

More on Money issues

[Anonymous Coward]

I am the first to admit that I don't like paying for any thing (even MS prods) however Mandrake Has saved me plenty of time (and heart ache) so Today I purchased the Pro-suite edition for myself (although I have the d/l edition in que).

To me this is the best of both worlds .... My employer, and my clients get the free version, I get the Pro-suite, Mandrake gets some money

save your speakers!!

[TiggerStripe]

I've got a Compaq Armada M300 (not 830 chipset - sorry) working perfectly with Mandrake 8.2beta2, and the sound is fully, beautifully present. After previous Mandrake installs I once dreaded the inevitable "KDE Startup Sound" and default full volume setting that trashed my tiny tinny speaker. Now I just disable the sound daemons during the install. You might want to spare your weak little laptop speaker(s) a similar fate.. Word. Peace.

Crippled?

[Akardam]

Speak for yourself. I'm running RH 7.2 on my production boxes, and am very happy with the overall performance.

Of course, you have to compare the stock 2.4.18 kernel with the highly tweaked 2.4.9 kernel from RH.

P.S. I don't think that the kernel is at 4.x.x yet :P

Being l33t with Mandrake

[kmactane]

>There's nothing in Mandrake stopping you from downloading tarballs,
>figuring out your dependencies, compiling, etc.
>
>If you want to be leet with Mandrake, feel free...

Actually, I'm doing a Mandrake install today (and I just figured out why I can't get to their Web site for docs!). I'm trying to do something at least a little l33t, namely set /bin, /sbin, and /lib up as their own partitions and mount them read-only.

DrakX doesn't like that. Despite the fact that I told it at the beginning that I wanted to do an "Expert" install, and despite being in expert mode in the disk partitioning utility, every time I tell it I want to make a partition mount at /bin (or any of those directories), it gives me an error message saying that directory should be on the root partition.

Software that arrogantly claims it knows better than I, the human, do is one of the things I hate about many Windows programs. I don't mind if it goes, "Hey, that's kind of weird. Are you sure you want to do that?", and gives me a button or check box that says, "Yes, I really do want to do that."

But when it says, "No, no, you don't want to do that!" -- and doesn't give me any way to insist that I'm damn well going to do it anyway, because I'm the human and the computer is there for me, not the other way around -- well, that's when I get really annoyed with a piece of software.

Re:Being l33t with Mandrake

[ColaMan]

Hmmm... perhaps I am wrong, but,
Isn't init in /sbin?

Could be a bit hard to run mandrake's init scripts, if init is in a partition that isn't mounted until after init runs and kicks in all the rest.

Probably the same sort of conclusion could be drawn with /lib and /bin as well.

Re:Being l33t with Mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

If /sbin/ /etc and /bin are not in your root partition, the system wouldn't
boot, unless one creates an initrd to handle this case.

Int his case, it's software protecting you from your ignorance.

Re:Being l33t with Mandrake

[nitehorse]

Uh.... did you ever bother to realize that several important system utilities are in /bin and /lib? Like... say, /bin/sh - to load your init scripts. or /bin/mount, which happens to mount your partitions?

not to mention that these programs also happen to be dynamically linked (in some cases) to stuff like /lib/ld-linux.so.2....

It's not "No, no, you don't want to do that!"; it's "Uh... you can't do that." Which is damned right.

-clee

Re:Being l33t with Mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

[Handle of "Duncan" on usenet, not registered here.]

Just a 6 mo. newbie here, but with the proper intrd loaded, I am guessing it could be done. However, that is FAR beyond Mandrake's install scripts in their current state, it seems. If U want to do that, U have to create your own customized intrd manually, which is sufficiently advanced that using the Mandrake install scripts as is, and then copying the filez 2 their new partitions should be child's play. In addition, U then have a working backup location 2 boot from if things don't go as planned and the new locations remain locked out. (Make the separate partitions different, by adding a tail file or something, so you can tell at a glance which one is mounted.)

When you get it working as desired, THEN delete the default locations.

Glad I am not trying it here, yet, tho. Got enough challenges already; don''t need to make it even HARDER on myself.

Re:Being l33t with Mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

Duncan:

1. Learn to spell.
2. No shit.
3. That would fuck up your system, anyway. Look at other posts in the parent thread.
4. It's only two more keystrokes. Learn to spell.

This fixed it for me

[Anonymous Coward]

Does the VAIO use an AMD CPU? If so, look up lvcool.

Last time I checked, though, lvcool had a critical race condition that locked up the machine after a few minutes. I have fixed this race condition, so mail me if you're interested.

Marko

How slashdot can make money

[Dave_bsr]

CmdrTaco: how to make money:

host a cache of the pages/whatever that is linked too, for subscribing members only. That way, you _know_ you can get to the article, so long as you are a subscriber. People will still whine, they never stop...but it might just push a few more subscriptions.

some thoughts: must be opt-in only. Example: slashdot emails admin@site_to_be_crushed.com and says, "hey, we are about to slashdot your server as soon as i post this article. wanna let us cache it for you? We'll send you pageview statistics, and allow our cache of the page to link to your ad's." Now, what would be wrong with that idea?

Or even better, subscribers could get access to slashdot's ftp, with the kernel/distro that was just linked on the main page available for download. whaddya think, good idea, or bad idea?

Motd

[__past__]

I once tried Mandrake - for about 5 minutes more than the install took. Come on - you cannot take an operating system serious that gives you that /etc/motd.

Oh, and by the way, for all those "Mandrake needs your money" idiots: I need money, too. If all of you send me, say, 50 bucks, I will happily give you a collection of free software other people wrote as well...

Re:Motd

[SilentStrike]

Yeah.. but will you write any of it yourself, or make it easier to install than the most popular OS out there?

Re:Motd

[dvdeug]

If all of you send me, say, 50 bucks, I will happily give you a collection of free software other people wrote as well...

What about the stuff that you wrote? Or that stuff that you paid to be released as free software? Or how about the hours of packaging and bug testing?

Re:Motd

[linux_warp]

The important thing to reconize is that mandrake FUNDS the software they use in their distro. They fund many programmers to work full time on open source software. They are not a distro that just takes your money for themselves, they help the community.

Doesnt anyone remember their donation to debian also?

Re:Motd

[quackking]

Send me $50 or I'll make fun of this dog...

I'm comparing it against FreeBSD

[LM741N]

FreeBSD beats Mandrake for ease of software upgrades and packages due to the Ports Collection and CVSup.

Mandrake, though, had an easier install that even Forrest Gump could do.

However, a look at the /etc directory shows Mandrake to be very complicated compared to FreeBSD. Complicated translates to more potential problems and security risks.

Quick! get it b4 its gone!

[Anonymous Coward]

And yet another Linux distro bites the dust.

WRONG!! NOT TRUE, not available

[spineboy]

I'm a member and they definetely DON'T have it for download.

Go ahead prove me wrong.

Re:WRONG!! NOT TRUE, not available

[King of the World]

Is it even an advertised feature of being a member? (I'm one too - and I'd like this). They mention trials of 3rd party software but that's about it, I think.

2.3KB/s SLASHDOT in effect

[spineboy]

'nuff said

SuSE is good, Mandrake is more Open, but...

[Rooktoven]

ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-cu rrent/

Not sure I need a changelog in my mailbox...
http://www.slackware.com/changelog/

so easy...

How long before cheap CD-roms available?

[Anonymous Coward]

How long does it usually take before cheap CD-roms are available for a distribution?

MD5 checksums same as RC1

[withinavoid]

Was poking around the mirrors and noticed some dont have the 8.2 release just yet. But did notice that the checksums for the new release are the same as for the RC1 version. Wonder what thats all about.

Is zlib (and others) fixed in Mdk 8.2 ?

[brianc]

I've been holding off grabbing any of the release
candiates hoping the zlib, OpenSSH and other
recent security fixes would be incorporated.

I can't find mention of these updates for 8.2 on
the Mandrake announcement site, or forums.

Anyone know if zlib and the gang have been fixed?

My query about this on the Mdk forums was
immediately marked as "-1: Offtopic" suggesting
to me the fixes are not there. :/

Re:Is zlib (and others) fixed in Mdk 8.2 ?

[fcrozat]

Yes, zlib and OpenSSh security bugs are fixed in Mdk 8.2...

alcatel,

[TechnoLust]

Yes, but I said built-in support. When I had 8.1 I had to download things to make it work. When I installed the 8.2BETA I had to click a button and it was (almost) setup. In the 8.2 release, I assume they have the problem fixed and you can just click the button and be done. Hence "built in." If you don't have a dictionary, you can use this one. Or you could actually pay attention to what I wrote before popping off at the mouth. And who says "Fool" anymore, what you think you are Mr. T or something?

Re:alcatel,

[awx]

No, the reason that you had to download something was not because MDK tripped up in their packaging and forgot to include files, it was a licencing issue with the modem's uploadable firmware which was released under a "free to use but don't distribute" licence. Fool.

mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

i have over 10 copies of mandrake. Some are different versions, and some are not. Most are deluxe or complete edition etc. Personally, i am never paiying for mandrake again, and prolly will never use it agian.

6.0 was great, but it went downhill from there. It is just simply too slow

Only a few more weeks?

[Anonymous DWord]

What are you on dial-up? Just buy it, they'll mail it to you...

Re:Only a few more weeks?

[cnelzie]

Well, whenever it is posted to Slashdot, the FTP servers get swallowed up for a good week or so.

My local cable operator ties into the OC3 that runs a few blocks behind my house. I typically get 3megabit+ downloads from the colleges at the other end of the OC3. That is until a new Linux ISO appears on their servers...

It is kinda nice living along the line between a military base, a GIANT Automaker campus and the state colleges. Because of that, I typically receive much higher than a full T-1 Line download.

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WRONG!

[SpinyNorman]

The GPL only means they have to provide source to you (at reasonable media cost) IF YOU BUY their product.

Cheap fucks like you may WISH the GPL guaranteed you a free ride, but it doesn't. They're being nice.

Re:WRONG!

[kinkie]

Yes and not.

GPL also grants the right to those who buy the product from you to redistribute it in whatever way they see fit, including free of charge if they wish.

However you're perfectly right. They ARE being nice, and we all should reward them for this.

Kernel patches

[daserver]

Does anyone happen to know if they use the standard VM (probably not), Rick van riel's or Andrea Arcechelli's VM? I couldn't find it anywhere. Also it would be great to know which other patches they use. The only thing that I could did up was jfs and xfs support.

Re:Kernel patches

[fcrozat]

Check the cvs, specfile used for kernel (with specfiles for all other packages) in there, with the patches..

for info, VM used is Andrea's VM//

Before.. I download...

[optize]

I want to ask the Beta Testers.. Does it fully support LFS? (Large File Support/systems.. whatever) Redhat 7.2 works with over 2gb files, but pretty much none of the programs do, ftp, wget, apache, etc. Has anyone tested the LFS on Mandrake 8.2

ximian in 8.2?

[cposs]

mandrake "broke" ximian gnome with 8.1, and the ximian folks took a while to release a version for 8.1. does anyone who has had the good fortune to install 8.2 know if ximian is still operable in the new mandrake?

Re:ximian in 8.2?

[cposs]

i just upgraded myself; the answer is most deffinetly no. gnome and even enlightenment are now dead from the upgrade. oh well, i'll just wait for ximian to come out with a new version and get myself re-aquanted with kde.

Re:ximian in 8.2?

[fcrozat]

No, we didn't "broke" Ximian.. Ximian is doing a repackaging of GNOME based on specific version releases.. It is up to them to upgrade to new versions of the distro, not Mandrake..

download edition

[jonestor]

What happened to the download edition that you can buy? That one only cost me about 30 bucks in the store. Now I see that their lowest cost edition cost 60. Are they that low on cash?

Re:download edition

[Anonymous Coward]

Red Hat did the same thing with 7.2. There used to be a Personal, Profesional, and Server edition, but 7.2 scraped the cheaper Personal and kept the other prices the same.

Re:download edition

[Cyph]

"Are they that low on cash?"

Well, aaactually, according to this, they _are_ that low on cash.

Is there a big difference between RC1 and Final

[maddogdelta]

Just got done downloading RC1 and I see the announcement of a /.ed set of mirrors! Any thoughts on this... Before I make a couple of coasters, should I just burn the RC's and forget about the final, or should I wait a couple of days and get the final? Thanks!

Re:Is there a big difference between RC1 and Final

[ReinoutS]

That's real easy. Install RC1 and wait a week until the mirrors aren't as loaded as they are now. Then, use rpmdrake to add some ftp mirror as a source and update your packages as needed.

lifebook is a neat computer

[timothy]

If it cost a few hundred less, I would have picked it over the Satellite 1005 I just bought, (but the keyboard is a bit pinched for long-term use, I tell myself, mollifying). Still, it has some things that this behemoth does not:

1) side-mounted DVD drive, which is as it should be. Front-mounted drives suck. Eh, I paid less I got less, I was aware of the bargain. That latch / lever mechanism though seems pretty flimsy to me, hope it lasts for you.

2) light -- really nice and stylish, too.

3) trackpoint, my favorite pointing device.

However, I am eagerly waiting for 8.2 for the same reason -- because of the hoops that the few people I've seen online with working i830M systems had to go through to *get* them working.

timothy

Wireless laptop/wireless Intellimouse help in 8.2

[baxshep]

8.2 RC1 rocked! I can't wait to go home and try 8.2 Has any Slashdotters had any luck getting wireless to work in Mandrake 8.2? I can get wv_lan.cs loaded and the card starts blinking but entering my ESSID and auto or managed doesn't work, Anyone who got their box up using wireless I would appreciate your help. Also, if there's a work around so that I can use my wireless Intellimouse, please send some help. You can reach me at baxshep@cox.net

try using your brain!

[HanzoSan]

Mandrake is the easiest distro there is, if you think Mandrake is hard, you need to upgrade your brain!!!

I mean Mandrake is point and click, if you want to learn a command, man command

If you cant use KDE you most likely cant use Windows therefore you shouldnt be using Linux.

www.gentoo.org

[Anonymous Coward]

www.gentoo.org
www.gentoo.org
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Long leave Gentoo and FreeBSD

Mandrake Has Changed

[Ashcrow]

It's great to see this distrobution gorw like it has. I was a user of Linux-Mandrake 6.0 and then later 7.1. During the 6.0 series it was mainly Red Hat Linux with a small set of diffrences (for instance KDE was default instead of GNOME). During the 7.x years MDK really started to do their own thing. With their advent of Mandrake Update, smooth and easy installer, autoinstalling of hardware devices, etc they have really come in to their own.

It's funny to think that I originally bought Mandrake 6.0 because I didn't have enough money on me to buy Red Hat 6.0 (MDK was ten bucks cheaper) and now it's something so user friendly my mother could use it.

Re:Mandrake Has Changed

[Anonymous Coward]

Funny-- your mother was so friendly, I Used her.

Just my luck...

[reidab]

So there i was, calmly performing a network install Mandrake 8.1 on a friendly little lab workstation when suddenly everything comes to a screeching halt. "What's this?" i think, "nothing to worry about, i'll just go get lunch and check on it later" hrmmm... still nothing. Oh well, it looks like the mirror that i was using decided to delete all of the 8.1 files to prepare to update itself for the release of 8.2. New versions are nice and all but my friendly little lab worstation isn't happy.

Re:Just my luck...

[The Evil Beaver]

How about this: I bought 8.1 about 2 months ago when I decided to get a new hard drive. The Fujitsu drives, the only ones I can get around here, wouldn't work at all. So I haven't been able to get enough empty space for installing.

Then, look what pops up. I guess something could be said about waiting until you have working hardware.

Re:My review of mandrake 8.2:

[Chicane-UK]

Dont ever take up journalism for a profession - your reviewing skills suck ass.

Re:Star Office 6.0=Final Version

[Anonymous Coward]

It's the Final version of StarOffice 6.0 that provides in the new Pack of MandrakeSoft ! If you read mailling list of Sun you can find some mails about Final version of 6.0 product but it's not publish because it's the ain of the marketing product..

PCMCIA install

[Salsaman]

Does anybody know if they have fixed the PCMCIA install yet ? I tried it with beta 2, and it didn't work at all...no ethernet card, no cdrom.

And no, I am not trolling, this is a serious question.

65MB - Great for Compact Flash Disks

[Jack Hughes]

You may not get a hard disk that small with the latest machines... but you might want to have a nice quiet low powered always on firewall machine (or whatever), using a 128MB CF disk instead of a hot rotating noisy hard disk drive.

A 65MB install is a great way to get going on that (you can pick up an IDE to CF adapter for next to nothing these days).

bad release planning

[mmusn]

Mandrake should make sure that CDs are in stores at the same time as their official on-line release (or even slightly before). That would give people much more of an incentive to go out and buy them.

Mandrake might also create a high-speed download site for "club members", and maybe start a "club membership" at around $30.

Network install?

[egghat]

Hi,

a small 65 MB base installation is fine, but why not a 65 MB base iso? Just getting the net (incl. dsl etc.) and KDE up and then downloading just the required packages.

I guess, that most people don't use more than 1 cd of software. I for myself probably do not install mor than 350 MB of software.

I know, that there is (at least used to be) a network.img disk for download, but that doesn't help if you don't have a static IP and full internet access (so no proxy, no DSL, no ISDN, ...).

Bye egghat.

Re:Still?

[Anonymous Coward]

Indoubitably not, old chum! Mandrake sucks goat balls better than any other Linux distrobution out there!

Ahem... I should know it. .-)

[deno]

Considering the fact I'm running the MandrakeClub, how come I don't know anything about it? .-)

No, there are no ISO downloads for users (yet?), we simply don't have enough servers to survive that. MandrakeClub members can download the applications which aren't in the "downlaod edition" from MandrakeClub site, but they have to get the ISOs from the same places as everyone else.

Re:Mandrake in trouble (alternate)

[Anonymous Coward]

Just so I feel good about myself I alternate. I'll buy one version then download the next.

Linux=OpenSource=Freedom

Mdk menu handling...

[Anonymous Coward]

[Handle of "Duncan" on usenet, not registered here.]

I haven't had that happen for awhile. I don't know exactly what I did to stop it, or if I just haven't triggered it recently, but try creating a different user (say, "menu", and create a "menu" group as well), assign yourself to the menu group also, and make the entire menu directory structure writable only by "menu" (user), but readable (and executable for dirs) by the entire "menu" group. Other users then can be assigned to the same "menu" group, and all can have their home dir menu dirs symlinked to the same base menu.

Of course, that doesn't help for root, which can always write, but U shouldn't B running as root much anyway, from X, anyway, only su-ing to it.

As a failsafe, once U get the menu setup as desired, copy the entire menu dir structure to a backup location. If necessary, then, U can simply delete the Mdk modified one, and copy the backup to the proper location again. Don't forget to update your backup reasonably frequently!

WARNING! Being fresh from Windows, I was definitely NOT used to having to worry about associations becoming invalid when I reorganized my menu. At least KDE points associations at menu *.desktop entries rather than the actual applications. Thus, move those *.desktop menu files, and U destroy the file type associations pointing to the old location. I found this out the hard way, and STILL don't have all the file type associations straightened out.

That should help. It did here, altho I had to find it out experimentally.

Re:My review of mandrake 8.2:

[festers]

But his trolling skills look to be in fine form.

Is the RC1 exactly same version as Final version?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hi!

Is the RC1 exactly same version as the Final version?It seems that the checksums are exactly identical:

RC1:
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cda56ed1c9e9ace3de4 4eba1c36069a7 MandrakeLinux-8.2rc1-CD1.i586.iso
6ede8c75fec92e1 0636b6c0bf5ee9860 MandrakeLinux-8.2rc1-CD2.i586.iso
0b4921ddb674256 87a5e053ff288dcba MandrakeLinux-8.2rc1-CD3.i586.iso

Final:
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cda56ed1c9e9ace3de44eba 1c36069a7 Mandrake82-cd1-inst.i586.iso
6ede8c75fec92e10636b 6c0bf5ee9860 Mandrake82-cd2-ext.i586.iso
0b4921ddb67425687a5e0 53ff288dcba Mandrake82-cd3-supp.i586.iso

Mandrake is the shizzle!

[Anonymous Coward]

I started using linux with RedHat 4.2. At Mandrake 6.2 I switched distro's. I like Mandrake's installer better than RedHat's. I like the packages better as well. Mandrake is what RedHat used to be.

I found a fast mirror!!!

[wzoo1]

I found a fast mirror!!! Here: http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/mandrake/iso/ They are powered by backbone T3 lines and I can get a 100-120k download speed from my cable modem broadband connection! Grab it there before it gets slow!!!

firmware

[TechnoLust]

Yes, I did have to download the firmware IN ADDITION TO SOME OTHER FILES. You were not there, you do not know what happened. Also, you have COMPLETELY missed the whole point of this conversation. When I (me, my experience, not yours) tried to get it to work in previous distros, it was not a single step procedure. It was a little more involved. Now, with 8.2 it IS a very simple procedure, that will have you up in seconds. I'm not implying that you never got it working in a previous version, I'm sure it could be done. Hell, if I took the time and effort, I could probably make it work on a solar calcuator. My whole point was: Before 8.2 - not so simple an infant could do it; After 8.2 - so simple an infant could do it. I know it was a licensing issue, I had to read that to download it! Now it is more simple, that's all.

A short release of emotion...

[Ixe]

All I have to say is that this puppy rocks...
I finally got it and it's purdy..