Qualys?!?! Found in the wild?? Where is the actual trojan??! No one is reporting being infected and this gets posted on slashdot?? Are you fucking kidding me? Slashdot has been turning into an absolutely bad news site. Really I knew it was getting bad for a while but this is the straw that breaks the camel back for me.
I no longer consider slashdot a creditable news source for me. Rather a site with interesting tidbits here and there.. This is unbelivable.. Loads of people submit stories that are constantly rejected (I've never submitted a story) but some "security" company talks of a trojan, sensationalizes it with with talking about port 80 and it gets front page of slashdot.. Whoever submitted this story needs to be flogged.
Just because it's cheaper doesn't mean it's better especially in this case (let us not compare things like linux vs windows etc). However Sun provides quality hardware and their engineering team is composed of top engineers across the world. They have been developing 64 bit platforms for quite sometime now and I don't see Windows being a 64bit platform taking over anytime soon. Simply because it hasn't been tested, windows software is usually buggy and people who actually use 64 bit platforms need reliability at all cost. They also need a stable enviroment which Sun also provides in Solaris. My guess is that 64 bit x86 (Intel or AMD) will be widely unused in big datacenters or scientific labs. However you might see an increase in information/web hosting camps but not something in any drastic proportion that would indicate a large increase in share; not even a peak.
Who's the idiot moderator who modded this offtopic?! Jeezsus.. moderation needs to be put back in the hands of our original crowd instead of some tightwad who joined this week.
Doesn't matter.. it's too late. They'd have to fight Corel and Sun and a whole host of other corporations that use office in their Product names.. Your argument holds no water.. They can keep the K in front of the Office.
WANTED: Somebody to go back in time with me. This is not a joke. P.O. Box 322, Oakview, CA 93022. You'll get paid after we get back. Must bring your own weapons. Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.
That's bullshit.. the simple matter of fact is that Solaris is at home on a sparc/usparc because that's what it's designed for.. Whether it's 1,2,64 processors it doesn't matter. The older versions of Solaris sucked.. then again the older versions of alot of things sucked including Linux.. Infact Linux didn't truly become usable to the server enviroment till like 1.2.13 or so. Linux also sucks at scaling right now; it just doesn't scale as well as Solaris whether it be 1 processor or 64.
As long as you plug a term server into that serial connection otherwise you'll be screwed if the box you are using to control the Sun box crashes for some reason. However.. I like it too.. Sun should really try and sell their desktops though.. I want one and as soon as I'm able to buy one I will..
2600 had an article about this some time ago. I can't remember exactly what issue but it discussed the technical details of the card and what the chip does. Towards the end of the article the author sums it up by saying only time will tell whether this new chip is friend or foe but I digress.. I'll follow up with some more information if I find the issue.. somewhere.
Is that the buck lies with Linus on this whole issue. He own's the trademark for "Linux", so Stallman getting people to call it "GNU/Linux" or getting that in print on their products is a very stupid idea. Regardless of what happens Linus may always say.. Remove the GNU/ from infront of the name Linux. It's just a dumb idea, Stallman is wrong on this front. Promoting GNU could be done much better by saying "This is what spawned Linux" because we provided free tools etc etc.
How does anyone come to a substansial conclusion from that email? Everyone is talking about how Chapter 11 means death but that is far from the truth if you don't know the specifics. Just because a company files for Chapter 11 doesn't mean it's anywhere near going out of business and since we don't know the specifics what's the FUD all about?
I think what happened was Loki was having a difficult time starting up. They finally started going and gaining income and either:
1. Neglected to pay some creditors.
2. Weren't in a position to pay creditors at the time.
3. Accountant totally forgot about it.
There are too many "ifs" to even speculate. So don't it makes you look like a jackass and in the mean time.. Play a game.
ket. I happily await.NET and all this ecommerce hype. I will also happily watch as it fails to make anything easier. I will also be happy when security wise a flaw is found and the cat is outta the bag. Microsoft has never been known for their security, they have never been known to produce reliable software. I don't know where all this "fear" in the opensource community actually comes from but if you're sacred; don't be. Nothing will come of.net/mono or whatever else is being spun to ultimately make things easier and more unified. That's the total opposite of the way the net itself works. Writing some wrapper for "services" isn't gonna make things easier.
By the way my site is down do to the codered worm. My isp had to block port 80 for a little while. Can't wait for.NET!! Wooooooo Woooooo
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and start addressing the primary issue at hand. The issue is system administrators need to take proactive measures to make sure their systems have been patched. That's the problem and thats what needs to be addressed. There is nothing significantly fascinating about this program that deserves any noteriarty. It didn't find some weird flaw in design. It just exploits a buffer overflow which has always been a problem in peoples code. It's a really simple thing to fix at that. Enough about Code Red and more about the underlying problem.
Hmmm, it seems to me that Katz is talking about a subset of 15 year olds, albeit a substantial one
- that is, white, middle-class 15 year olds who own computers.
If you would of said this 5 yrs ago I would of agreed with you. However this statement isn't true; The internet has become very accesible to even low income families with things like NetZero and the like not to mention that the cost of computer hardware is extremely low. Somehow I see this as a low blow.
This leads me to say that I find it somewhat unenlightening to read attempts such as these to sum up a generation in just a few paragraphs (spread among a few articles). This has been happening forever, I know, (just look at all that has been written about the baby boomers) but I think that these writings tend to focus on shallow issues.
I read the writing on the wall for what it is. I'm not the writer but somehow I don't feel he's specifically talking about a generation. Rather I'd believe he is talking about a group, a specific group, that group being teenagers. The internet has basically invaded every home and library it is a "cultural and technological phenomenon". This group seems to be the one spear heading it's movement and using it creatively more so than any other group. This is what he's talking about not about summing a generation up in a couple of paragraphs and signing off.
There are some interesting observations to be made about a generation where the middle-class and wealthy are raised via the Internet, but I think this sort of thing needs to be approached carefully and with much thought and research, which doesn't seem to be apparent here.
I'd have to disagree, no one is being "raised via the Internet". The internet is a tool and I believe that was somewhere in the writing. There is no research necessary unless if it's on cultural impact. You seem angry for some reason and I don't understand that. This isn't a research paper, what exactly were you expecting?
That was very well said.. I've read most of your pieces here on Slashdot and to be honest I think that is one of your more insightful writings without being over verbose but rather straight, clear and concise to your point. Reading the first and comparing to the second it seems that you've come to a general overtone.
I know I'd be wrong for thinking that the series ends here, (even though it should) however I await to see where you go with part 3.
When I first started using computers it was far before the age of 15 however it's not so much of age as it is maturity of some 15 yr olds. As well as mindset. I'm 21.. I'm young but people who normally talk to me wouldn't assume that I'm 21. Infact very few people believe me when I say I'm 21 and then they don't believe that because I'm "African-American" (or whatever you wanna call me to fit into your cateogrized mindset) I do what it is I say I do.I have large resposnsibilities and am in charge of some corps infrastructure. Which isn't that big of a deal (to me at least).
Then again around the age of 15 I got myself into trouble at a famed 2600 meeting and ended up in Military Intel a couple of months before my 17th birthday all thanks to our friends at AT&T security (and a snitch). In any event, it's more of the mindset for exmaple if you take a young 15 y/o coder to a musuem he/she is quite possibly going to be more interested in whats there (ie: questions will be asked, whats that, etc, etc). You do the same with a non "computer lit" 15 y/o and they'll be complaining in 5 minutes. As information becomes more freely available people are finding new hobbies, new likes and dislikes, more things to protest against, learning new things and generally broadeing their horizons. Because of this every new generation gets smarter and smarter and smarter. That is the way it should be and what I would like to call the "true" singularity is beginning.
It's better to look at mindset than it is to look at age. The quicker we start learning to respect 15 yr olds as people will genuinely good ideas (moral character etc put aside in this discussion) and stop catergorizing them as being damn confused teenagers, the quicker big business will learn how to adapt.
For big business it really is a simple task, just ask them for some of their ideas, let them see some of their ideas working. It really is a fair trade off.
As for 15 yr olds being experts in anything the only way you can become an expert is to have experience. Being 15, you have little experience as life itself is an experience. So I don't care what loop hole they used, what legal advice they give as it is all based upon others peoples work and past experiences.
Life is too dynamic for any of that to hold water. To be an expert you have to be able to handle all situations regardless of their dynamics and at the age of 15 yrs old you haven't even really begun to see what you can and can't do. That prima donna shit is for the birds. But a 15 yr old who knows they don't know it all and are constantly learning.. Those are the ones you have to look out for because those will become experts.
Print flyers of code to decrypt the ebook.. Get everyone at the rallies and protests to bring a copy or hand them out there.. Call the FBI and tell them you are breaking the law knowingly and wish to be arrested. Invite the press.. 50 people here, 50 there, 100 here.. GO PEACEFULLY, how many good standing citizens are they going to arrest before they figure out that the DMCA is crap. I'm willing to do it.. When is the next NYC rally?!
What you just posted is bullshit. And moderators should be ashamed of thesmelves for moderating that.
I could understand if Verizon was the NSA but they are not. The whole idea they talk of alienates users/customers from using the server. Which would be good if it were something that should be secured as such, however Verizon is pulling a we are secure but the shit isn't functional for our customers but that's the price you pay for security bullshit.
Security and Functionality need to balance each other out. I could pull the plug on my box and say it's secure but is it functional?? Not really. Your solution is really not a solution by the way; infact it makes no goddamn sense if you have to authenticate through the pop server. And for the love of god how is the the 'pre-authenticating SMTP relay access' technique "buggy"?.
You sir are brainwashed.. I'm not going to get into a conversation, debate, argument or a lengthy reply.
All I have to say is that MS might of been your choice but it might not have been the choice for other people such as myself. However because of their business practices I and others have lost their free choice time and time again. So yes; may the best OS win, and may that OS win fairly based on technical merit.
What really angers me about "die-hards" on slashdot ripping Microsoft a new asshole is that you still all use Windows, you still use office and you still play Diablo, Black&White and whatever "new" fangled game is out. You'll be talking about how cool the Xbox is yet everytime you talk about Microsoft you hate them. I've come to a conclusion.
You love to hate Microsoft because you hate to love them. It's that simple; so please stop your bitching a moaning. The Unix diehards have never had a problem with Microsoft except them breaking standards and then trying to bolster it as a "new" standard.
I'm sick of the hypocritical behavior and I'm sick of seeing Microsoft stories. I'm not fighting Microsoft by bitching and moaning and planning some jihad. I'm fighting Microsoft BY NOT fighting them and doing whatever it is I want with my code, operating system, hardware etc.
If you have a problem with Microsoft STOP USING THEIR SHIT and if you don't use their shit don't add to this nonsense by bitching and moaning. It doesn't help anything.
Perhaps because you have to pay for Forte C++ to compile it? Have you looked at how much Forte C++ costs? You check it out yet?? Good thats why it wasn't a BIG success. Sure you can find a bug or add a module or do whatever but if you can't compile it what good is it to you?
How about someone other than me basically create a fake passport account and archive the information. Then post it on a site somewhere, so that you can get the information without having to use passport.
You just don't get it; the simple premise is that RedHat CAN'T "turn into an evil corp". They'd be smacking the hand that feeds them if they do. It just wouldn't make sense. You think debian,slackware,blahblah is going to go outta business because of Redhat? What's RedHat going to do? Fire all of its premier opensource coders so they have a crappy distro? And in 15 yrs RedHat is not going to be the only viable option for Linux because there are just too many distros. You can probably find a distro for just about anything. Don't like any of them grab a kernel, grab some utils and start building your own system from scratch. There are plenty of howto's on this stuff. RedHat has just made history no matter how tiny the profit is.
More trolling I see, Hotmail is a large project but swapping out a website isn't that big of deal. It really shouldn't take years unless they have it horribly designed. The reason it's taking years is because they either don't know what they are doing or want NT to play catch up and slowly phase it in. Do you think that a couple years ago NT could of handled Hotmail? Why do you think the original owners put it on FreeBSD in the first place?
BTW, while Unix & NT have totally different design models (both in the way they are developed, and in the way they work), they both aim at the same targets, and have roughly the same capabilities.
Are you just trolling? Unix & NT were designed totally differently and they both aim at the same targets but NT doesn't have the same capabilities as Unix. For instance take a look at NT's quota system.. It's absolute garbage and you CAN'T do the same things. I can't set it up so that a user gets 5 megs of room for a quota if the folder is bigger than 5 megs etc. The quota system in unix is so old it isn't funny and I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Lets not even start talking about ACL's
NT just can't compete with the flexibility and stability of a unix system. They might aim at the same targets but trust me, they don't have "roughly the same capabilities". NT isn't even close at this point.
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Qualys?!?! Found in the wild?? Where is the actual trojan??! No one is reporting being infected and this gets posted on slashdot?? Are you fucking kidding me? Slashdot has been turning into an absolutely bad news site. Really I knew it was getting bad for a while but this is the straw that breaks the camel back for me.
I no longer consider slashdot a creditable news source for me. Rather a site with interesting tidbits here and there.. This is unbelivable.. Loads of people submit stories that are constantly rejected (I've never submitted a story) but some "security" company talks of a trojan, sensationalizes it with with talking about port 80 and it gets front page of slashdot.. Whoever submitted this story needs to be flogged.
Just because it's cheaper doesn't mean it's better especially in this case (let us not compare things like linux vs windows etc). However Sun provides quality hardware and their engineering team is composed of top engineers across the world. They have been developing 64 bit platforms for quite sometime now and I don't see Windows being a 64bit platform taking over anytime soon. Simply because it hasn't been tested, windows software is usually buggy and people who actually use 64 bit platforms need reliability at all cost. They also need a stable enviroment which Sun also provides in Solaris. My guess is that 64 bit x86 (Intel or AMD) will be widely unused in big datacenters or scientific labs. However you might see an increase in information/web hosting camps but not something in any drastic proportion that would indicate a large increase in share; not even a peak.
Who's the idiot moderator who modded this offtopic?! Jeezsus.. moderation needs to be put back in the hands of our original crowd instead of some tightwad who joined this week.
Doesn't matter.. it's too late. They'd have to fight Corel and Sun and a whole host of other corporations that use office in their Product names.. Your argument holds no water.. They can keep the K in front of the Office.
WANTED: Somebody to go back in time with me. This is not a joke. P.O. Box 322, Oakview, CA 93022. You'll get paid after we get back. Must bring your own weapons. Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.
That's bullshit.. the simple matter of fact is that Solaris is at home on a sparc/usparc because that's what it's designed for.. Whether it's 1,2,64 processors it doesn't matter. The older versions of Solaris sucked.. then again the older versions of alot of things sucked including Linux.. Infact Linux didn't truly become usable to the server enviroment till like 1.2.13 or so. Linux also sucks at scaling right now; it just doesn't scale as well as Solaris whether it be 1 processor or 64.
As long as you plug a term server into that serial connection otherwise you'll be screwed if the box you are using to control the Sun box crashes for some reason. However.. I like it too.. Sun should really try and sell their desktops though.. I want one and as soon as I'm able to buy one I will..
2600 had an article about this some time ago. I can't remember exactly what issue but it discussed the technical details of the card and what the chip does. Towards the end of the article the author sums it up by saying only time will tell whether this new chip is friend or foe but I digress.. I'll follow up with some more information if I find the issue.. somewhere.
Is that the buck lies with Linus on this whole issue. He own's the trademark for "Linux", so Stallman getting people to call it "GNU/Linux" or getting that in print on their products is a very stupid idea. Regardless of what happens Linus may always say.. Remove the GNU/ from infront of the name Linux. It's just a dumb idea, Stallman is wrong on this front. Promoting GNU could be done much better by saying "This is what spawned Linux" because we provided free tools etc etc.
How does anyone come to a substansial conclusion from that email? Everyone is talking about how Chapter 11 means death but that is far from the truth if you don't know the specifics. Just because a company files for Chapter 11 doesn't mean it's anywhere near going out of business and since we don't know the specifics what's the FUD all about?
I think what happened was Loki was having a difficult time starting up. They finally started going and gaining income and either:
1. Neglected to pay some creditors.
2. Weren't in a position to pay creditors at the time.
3. Accountant totally forgot about it.
There are too many "ifs" to even speculate. So don't it makes you look like a jackass and in the mean time.. Play a game.
ket. I happily await .NET and all this ecommerce hype. I will also happily watch as it fails to make anything easier. I will also be happy when security wise a flaw is found and the cat is outta the bag. Microsoft has never been known for their security, they have never been known to produce reliable software. I don't know where all this "fear" in the opensource community actually comes from but if you're sacred; don't be. Nothing will come of .net/mono or whatever else is being spun to ultimately make things easier and more unified. That's the total opposite of the way the net itself works. Writing some wrapper for "services" isn't gonna make things easier.
.NET!! Wooooooo Woooooo
By the way my site is down do to the codered worm. My isp had to block port 80 for a little while. Can't wait for
and start addressing the primary issue at hand. The issue is system administrators need to take proactive measures to make sure their systems have been patched. That's the problem and thats what needs to be addressed. There is nothing significantly fascinating about this program that deserves any noteriarty. It didn't find some weird flaw in design. It just exploits a buffer overflow which has always been a problem in peoples code. It's a really simple thing to fix at that. Enough about Code Red and more about the underlying problem.
Hmmm, it seems to me that Katz is talking about a subset of 15 year olds, albeit a substantial one - that is, white, middle-class 15 year olds who own computers.
If you would of said this 5 yrs ago I would of agreed with you. However this statement isn't true; The internet has become very accesible to even low income families with things like NetZero and the like not to mention that the cost of computer hardware is extremely low. Somehow I see this as a low blow.
This leads me to say that I find it somewhat unenlightening to read attempts such as these to sum up a generation in just a few paragraphs (spread among a few articles). This has been happening forever, I know, (just look at all that has been written about the baby boomers) but I think that these writings tend to focus on shallow issues.
I read the writing on the wall for what it is. I'm not the writer but somehow I don't feel he's specifically talking about a generation. Rather I'd believe he is talking about a group, a specific group, that group being teenagers. The internet has basically invaded every home and library it is a "cultural and technological phenomenon". This group seems to be the one spear heading it's movement and using it creatively more so than any other group. This is what he's talking about not about summing a generation up in a couple of paragraphs and signing off.
There are some interesting observations to be made about a generation where the middle-class and wealthy are raised via the Internet, but I think this sort of thing needs to be approached carefully and with much thought and research, which doesn't seem to be apparent here.
I'd have to disagree, no one is being "raised via the Internet". The internet is a tool and I believe that was somewhere in the writing. There is no research necessary unless if it's on cultural impact. You seem angry for some reason and I don't understand that. This isn't a research paper, what exactly were you expecting?
That was very well said.. I've read most of your pieces here on Slashdot and to be honest I think that is one of your more insightful writings without being over verbose but rather straight, clear and concise to your point. Reading the first and comparing to the second it seems that you've come to a general overtone.
I know I'd be wrong for thinking that the series ends here, (even though it should) however I await to see where you go with part 3.
I agree with part 2; good job.
"There is no statute of limitations long enough to keep you above the law forever."
When I first started using computers it was far before the age of 15 however it's not so much of age as it is maturity of some 15 yr olds. As well as mindset. I'm 21.. I'm young but people who normally talk to me wouldn't assume that I'm 21. Infact very few people believe me when I say I'm 21 and then they don't believe that because I'm "African-American" (or whatever you wanna call me to fit into your cateogrized mindset) I do what it is I say I do.I have large resposnsibilities and am in charge of some corps infrastructure. Which isn't that big of a deal (to me at least).
Then again around the age of 15 I got myself into trouble at a famed 2600 meeting and ended up in Military Intel a couple of months before my 17th birthday all thanks to our friends at AT&T security (and a snitch). In any event, it's more of the mindset for exmaple if you take a young 15 y/o coder to a musuem he/she is quite possibly going to be more interested in whats there (ie: questions will be asked, whats that, etc, etc). You do the same with a non "computer lit" 15 y/o and they'll be complaining in 5 minutes. As information becomes more freely available people are finding new hobbies, new likes and dislikes, more things to protest against, learning new things and generally broadeing their horizons. Because of this every new generation gets smarter and smarter and smarter. That is the way it should be and what I would like to call the "true" singularity is beginning.
It's better to look at mindset than it is to look at age. The quicker we start learning to respect 15 yr olds as people will genuinely good ideas (moral character etc put aside in this discussion) and stop catergorizing them as being damn confused teenagers, the quicker big business will learn how to adapt.
For big business it really is a simple task, just ask them for some of their ideas, let them see some of their ideas working. It really is a fair trade off.
As for 15 yr olds being experts in anything the only way you can become an expert is to have experience. Being 15, you have little experience as life itself is an experience. So I don't care what loop hole they used, what legal advice they give as it is all based upon others peoples work and past experiences.
Life is too dynamic for any of that to hold water. To be an expert you have to be able to handle all situations regardless of their dynamics and at the age of 15 yrs old you haven't even really begun to see what you can and can't do. That prima donna shit is for the birds. But a 15 yr old who knows they don't know it all and are constantly learning.. Those are the ones you have to look out for because those will become experts.
Print flyers of code to decrypt the ebook.. Get everyone at the rallies and protests to bring a copy or hand them out there.. Call the FBI and tell them you are breaking the law knowingly and wish to be arrested. Invite the press.. 50 people here, 50 there, 100 here.. GO PEACEFULLY, how many good standing citizens are they going to arrest before they figure out that the DMCA is crap. I'm willing to do it.. When is the next NYC rally?!
What you just posted is bullshit. And moderators should be ashamed of thesmelves for moderating that.
I could understand if Verizon was the NSA but they are not. The whole idea they talk of alienates users/customers from using the server. Which would be good if it were something that should be secured as such, however Verizon is pulling a we are secure but the shit isn't functional for our customers but that's the price you pay for security bullshit.
Security and Functionality need to balance each other out. I could pull the plug on my box and say it's secure but is it functional?? Not really. Your solution is really not a solution by the way; infact it makes no goddamn sense if you have to authenticate through the pop server. And for the love of god how is the the 'pre-authenticating SMTP relay access' technique "buggy"?.
You sir are brainwashed.. I'm not going to get into a conversation, debate, argument or a lengthy reply.
All I have to say is that MS might of been your choice but it might not have been the choice for other people such as myself. However because of their business practices I and others have lost their free choice time and time again. So yes; may the best OS win, and may that OS win fairly based on technical merit.
What really angers me about "die-hards" on slashdot ripping Microsoft a new asshole is that you still all use Windows, you still use office and you still play Diablo, Black&White and whatever "new" fangled game is out. You'll be talking about how cool the Xbox is yet everytime you talk about Microsoft you hate them. I've come to a conclusion.
You love to hate Microsoft because you hate to love them. It's that simple; so please stop your bitching a moaning. The Unix diehards have never had a problem with Microsoft except them breaking standards and then trying to bolster it as a "new" standard.
I'm sick of the hypocritical behavior and I'm sick of seeing Microsoft stories. I'm not fighting Microsoft by bitching and moaning and planning some jihad. I'm fighting Microsoft BY NOT fighting them and doing whatever it is I want with my code, operating system, hardware etc.
If you have a problem with Microsoft STOP USING THEIR SHIT and if you don't use their shit don't add to this nonsense by bitching and moaning. It doesn't help anything.
Perhaps because you have to pay for Forte C++ to compile it? Have you looked at how much Forte C++ costs? You check it out yet?? Good thats why it wasn't a BIG success. Sure you can find a bug or add a module or do whatever but if you can't compile it what good is it to you?
How about someone other than me basically create a fake passport account and archive the information. Then post it on a site somewhere, so that you can get the information without having to use passport.
You just don't get it; the simple premise is that RedHat CAN'T "turn into an evil corp". They'd be smacking the hand that feeds them if they do. It just wouldn't make sense. You think debian,slackware,blahblah is going to go outta business because of Redhat? What's RedHat going to do? Fire all of its premier opensource coders so they have a crappy distro? And in 15 yrs RedHat is not going to be the only viable option for Linux because there are just too many distros. You can probably find a distro for just about anything. Don't like any of them grab a kernel, grab some utils and start building your own system from scratch. There are plenty of howto's on this stuff. RedHat has just made history no matter how tiny the profit is.
More trolling I see, Hotmail is a large project but swapping out a website isn't that big of deal. It really shouldn't take years unless they have it horribly designed. The reason it's taking years is because they either don't know what they are doing or want NT to play catch up and slowly phase it in. Do you think that a couple years ago NT could of handled Hotmail? Why do you think the original owners put it on FreeBSD in the first place?
BTW, while Unix & NT have totally different design models (both in the way they are developed, and in the way they work), they both aim at the same targets, and have roughly the same capabilities.
Are you just trolling? Unix & NT were designed totally differently and they both aim at the same targets but NT doesn't have the same capabilities as Unix. For instance take a look at NT's quota system.. It's absolute garbage and you CAN'T do the same things. I can't set it up so that a user gets 5 megs of room for a quota if the folder is bigger than 5 megs etc. The quota system in unix is so old it isn't funny and I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Lets not even start talking about ACL's
NT just can't compete with the flexibility and stability of a unix system. They might aim at the same targets but trust me, they don't have "roughly the same capabilities". NT isn't even close at this point.