"Congress has not declared war, and therefore it is not a war."
Go tell that to a Vietnam vet. Then sit still for 10 hours and let him tell you what he went through in a "police action". If after that you agree wars need Congressional approval, I'll listen to you.
Good to hear another voice of intelligence in this babble. And to confess that you're a liberal who is supporting the government's current campaign takes guts, even if we don't know your true name.
I am wondering though, what 'branch' of liberalism you follow. And I don't mean this as a joke or insult, just curiuosity. If there was an election for president, and the following five candidates had equal chance of winning, who would you vote for?
A. Al Gore, Democrat
B. Ralph Nader, Green
C. George Bush, Republican
D. Harry Brown, Libertarian
E. Jesse Ventura, Reform
So you know where I am coming from, I would have voted for Jesse Ventura, and in '92 I did vote for Ross Perot. This time around it was for Bush, but in this state, it doesn't matter, Gore took it by a wide margin.
Haven't you heard? The last news I heard was the IRA was dis-arming. Not that they were going to be labelled as terrorists, but the attacks have given them a new perspective.
The only places with 'human rights' are those places where the populace have forced the authorities to enumerate those rights.
And if the government doesn't make something illegal, for the area that government controls, it is legal. It might not be 'right' in your eyes, but you don't count if you're not under the jurisdiction of that government.
Ever hear of national sovereignty? Keep your petty thoughts out of others backyards.
"move into the mountains of Colorado without running water or electricity and carry a shotgun... you'll get PLENTY of privacy. "
Until the FBI wants to arrest you for being alone, and then shoots your spouse in the head.
If you have no idea what I am talking about, do a search for Ruby Ridge, and see what our precious government does to people who don't like it.
I was with you right up to the King Bush part. You mention we've been going down a slippery slope "these past few years". Don't forget who was second in command for the 8 most recent of those few years. Certainly the power grab of King Bush is no different than we would have seen if King Gore was in power. The main difference would be my taxes would still be higher.
So once there is a generation of Chinese colonists born in Tibet, you lose your argument.
Why don't people follow their own thoughts through for more than have a step? Come on, this reply took all of one second to pop into my brain. 900ms of that time was trying to see if you actually typed that thought.
By the way, how many treaties did China sign with Tibet not to invade? How many did the US government sign with the native tribes?
You should go to the Cuban embassy in Washington DC and request to be allowed to move to Cuba. Oh, wait, there is no Cuban embassy in DC. So go to the Secretary of State's office and ask how you can get a visa and passport to move to Cuba. When they stare blankly at you for a minute, you might realize something.
Our government (the US) has rules against leaving. You are not allowed to leave the US without a passport. If you do leave without one, you can't come back in legally. It works both ways, it's just that China has more restrictions that the US does.
Hey, it's just too many people that think the whole world should be just like their vision of Utopia. Thankfully each area more or less takes care of its own problems in its own way.
And as for the methods being used by the protesters, all I ever heard was that they were have a peaceful demonstration and the military killed them. Of course it's hard to get the actual news nowadays, with the media twisting everything to their own viewpoint. But as I said before, if they don't have the guts to fight and die, I don't care about their cause.
And don't forget, Britain viewed the early actions of the American Revolution as criminal acts. I don't really hold that against the so-called revolutionaries in China. But where are they?
Touche`. But my point isn't that it's right or wrong. My point is that it is up to the people inside the country how their culture is to be maintained. Living under a strict dictatorship is their culture, and has been forever. When enough of them want to change it, they will.
This is in opposition to European culture which is basically to amass power by controlling everything and backstabbing everyone who helps you along the way. And the basic African culture is tribal, with small tribes warring against their neighbors continuously.
So basically, all three are based on control and warfare. But the more control the authority has, the less need for warfare. I don't think America or Europe has the right to even attempt to dictate to the Chinese how to run their country, or change their culture. Especially considering the less glamorous things in our collective past, some of which still continue. As for the items you mention, they have all occured, in some form, in other areas of the world as well.
And actually, how many women/girls in China have their feet bound? I see pictures of Chinese all the time, and I never notice flocks of crippled women. Is this something that is only done to about a dozen girls a year? It certainly wasn't done to all the women who are in the government.
Tianemmen was a joke, not a revolution. Imagine what the US would be like if everyone gave up and went home after the first 100 deaths in 1776. (Pause, as the British readers have a brief smile.) Or think who would control Europe if England and France had thought better of their agreement to assist Poland from Germany's invasion. China itself lost thousands of people even before then, when Japan invaded Manchuria.
But we are to care that a few Chinese students staged a protest, demanding their 'human rights' and quickly shut up when a few died. If they kept fighting, I would have sympathy and respect for them. But they quietly slinked away with their tail between their legs. Plenty of room for it since they had no more "balls".
And if you think it never happens in the US, look up Ruby Ridge. A FBI sniper shot a woman in the head because her husband didn't want the government to bother him. She was standing in a doorway, holding her baby in her arms, and he killed her because he had orders to shoot anything that moved. The sniper claims he wasn't aiming at her, but it is really hard to shoot someone in the head without aiming at it. It's not that easy when you _are_ aiming at it.
And lastly, the term "human rights" is a joke too. You only have the "rights" you earn. Read Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" sometime. The actual novel, not the movie adaptation. Has a real good handling of that term, better than I can do.
It's been their way of life for thousands of years. What is different now from when the Chinese Emperors ruled the land? Only the tools used. Cavalry horses were replaced by tanks, spears by guns, and paper by the Internet. The Chinese culture is exactly what it was for longer than any other country in the world. You think they should change their entire culture because you have some new notion of how government should be. How absurd.
Well they _have_ managed to do two things we in the USA can't seem to do. All but eliminate the mafia and government corruption. They have done this by putting the criminals on trial, finding them guilty on real evidence, and executing them. (Including a general in the military and regional governors, imagine that happening here.)
None of this Miranda rights crap we have in the US. No 20 years of bullshit appeals. No shyster lawyers redefining the meaning of the word 'the'. Just fair trials and just punishments. Hell, I kinda wish they would go thru our Congress and Courts like that. Weed out the bad ones so honest ones can get in.
Is that Progressive enough for you? Wiping out crime? Or are you one of those criminal-lovers that think mass-murderers should be pampered in a comfortable room at SingSing Hilton?
Poor babies, they got a little booboo on their little tummies, and don't want to play with the big kids anymore. Boohoofuckinghoo.
How many people the world over have fought and died to gain control of their country from a repressive group? In America we generally think of the Revolutionary War first, but there's also the Civil War and the War of 1812. England had many wars over who would be king or queen. World War II had people everywhere fighting, even in China.
Basically, there's only a few 'revolutionaries' in China nowadays, and they're wimps. A thousand have a protest in Tiannemen Square. Tanks roll over a few of them, and the rest shut their mouths and tow the line. For this we should give them sympathy? Let them stand up and fight, then I will have sympathy when the government kills them. Nothing less is worthy.
Get a grip. While I think this Magic Lantern program will be mostly useless, for all the stated reasons, it won't be illegal for want of a warrant.
Would the police knock on your door and ask to install a bug in your phone? No, they get a secret court order to wiretap your line. They get warrants for this all the time in criminal investigations, or have you never watched "Law and Order"?
Of course they will have a warrant to use this program, if they are allowed to use it. And since they have a warrant, they will be able to use the information they collect in any court proceedings.
Some people have said to use two computers, on on the net, and the other not connected. Encrypt and decrypt on the unconnected system, and use floppy or zip disks to move files to and from the connected system.
But really, as long as the system you read email on isn't doing the actual en-/decrypting, they can both be on the net. Read email on one computer. Transfer files from and to the encrypting system over the network. This keylogging program, Magic Lantern, only works if the machine it infects runs the PGP program. It's useless if only the computer next to it runs PGP. Magic Lantern would still be installed on the email machine, but since it never runs PGP, it can't do anything. It can't perform keylogging on the encrypting computer, even if the two are networked. No need to use floppies.
I think a large part of the perception of this line of thought is whether the person has a wife and kids. A single person with no kids and few expenses other than food and rent is more able to struggle thru an unemployed time. Or working at a low earning job to cover the basics while waiting to a good job to appear. He can also write code when he wants at home, doesn't have to have 'quality time' with the family.
A married guy on the other hand, needs a decent paycheck to keep the wife happy. And with kids thrown in, you have to buy more food and clothes too. So he needs a real job as soon as possible, whether it's in IT or not, and spends his time at home with the family, doing what they want.
Been there, done that.
And for the women or political-correctness nazis, yes I used a male for both examples, and yes I realize female workers are affected too, probably even more so because of the male chauvenism in the business world. But I will still use the male-oriented examples, because that is the culture. And as for the "decent paycheck to keep the wife happy" comment, it's true, don't deny it. If a married guy has a low paying job, such as flipping burgers, the wife is very unlikely to be happy when he brings home the paycheck. That too is part of the culture we live in.
Sounds like a little too much hype. The article and write up say the thing collects enough info every hour to fill a dozen hard drives. But what size hard drives? The project started in 1988, so are we using 1988 hard drives? That should be about 50MB each, so a dozen totals a whopping 600MB of data. Wow.
"the most strident, right-wing, religious, gun-nut, reactionary conservative. "
Get a grip. I voted for Bush last November for a few reasons. He didn't reinvent his image each week as Gore did. He may seem dense to some people, but at least he won't weasle his way around the law like Clinton did. And he seemed to do a good job at his last positions of authority.
And I would have voted for Gore if he had the integrity during the Clinton impeachment scandel to insist Clinton resign or he would himself. People like you seem to forget that at least Nixon had the character to resign before he was impeached, and before greater shame was brought upon the country. If Gore had done so, and shown the integrity that Clinton lacked, I would have voted for him.
Now for your points above:
Strident: I am as laid back as you can get, as long as I have an open road in front of me, and a can of pop in the cup holder.
Right-wing: I think the government has too much power over us. We should be able to decide personal issues for ourselves. Helmet and seatbelt laws are ridiculous. If that's right-wing, so be it.
Religious: I was raised Jehovah's Witness. Never went around converting/terrorizing neighborhoods, but knew some who did. (Some came to the door one day. I invited them in, and found out that they knew my grandmother from the Hall.) Yet I am not religious today. My wife is Buddhist, but not really gung-ho about it. I don't care what god you believe in, just don't force it down my throat.
Gun-nut:Only time I have fired a gun in the last decade was in the military. Don't own one, never have personally, but we had some shotguns when I was a kid.
Reactionary (As opposed to Revolutionary): Not even close. I don't think the government should run around and pass laws in reaction to everything that happens. They should have a two year cooling off period before any knew laws are passed. Face it, the government is run by idiots at all levels. The less they do the better.
Conservative: Where to start??? Gays should have the same legal trappings as straights, minority groups should be allowed to have their customs without being forced to mainstream everything, English as a national language is the stupidest thing anyone has thought of (I'd rather have Latin or Esperanza), and we should actively pursue cases against monopolies that take advantage of their power the way Microsoft has done.
So about the only group that Bush and I are both in is that I want my taxes lowered too. Other than that, I would have voted Libertarian. Of course where I live, the state was predetermined to be for Gore, no matter what.
First off, it should be US residents. The first ammendment applies to EVERYONE in the US, not just to citizens of the US. Secondly, this case isn't about France prohibiting people from downloading, it's about France telling a company that they have to stop sending information to people in France. I think that French law already prohibits people from downloading the information, but because people still do, they decided to go after the website itself.
so yes, it is a whole different matter, just not "suddenly". it was from the start.
Shove your "prevention [of] the spread of hate litterature" up your ass. France would let any other group spread hate literature, just not nazi stuff because of their recent history of getting their asses kicked. If an arabic group was spreading hate literature against the US that would be OK. If protestants were spreading hate literature against catholics that would be OK. If jews were spreading hate literature against neo-nazis and arabs that would be OK.
Should the US ban sales of communist items, just because we got our asses kicked in Vietnam? Freedom of speech cuts both ways. It's just apparent that France, and Germany too by the way, don't want it. Hell the US is doing away with it slowly. At least this ruling clarifies we will outlaw it at our pace, not someone else's.
So does Germany ban memorabelia that may be painful to its war survivors? Can I buy a British medal in Germany, even though some people's grandparents were killed by British troops. Can I buy Soviet badges even though the Russians executed many people in their path on the way to Berlin? They probably raped a few too, who knows. So whose story is sadder?
When will you guys understand that in war, people die. Not just soldiers. Anyone who get in the way of someone's rage. And besides, you Europeans have been killing each other for thousands of years. Don't expect any sympathy from me. I don't have any more for you than I do for Germany after Napolean conquered them in the 1800s. How many innocent Germans died then? It's obvious you don't care about that, it's ancient history. War is hell, get over it.
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"or figure out how the airplane works"
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I just had the image of you with a couple wrenches, screwdrivers, and BF hammer Reverse-Engineering an airplane. How far do you think you would get?
"But your honor, the ticket says nothing about NOT finding the source code of the plane.
"Congress has not declared war, and therefore it is not a war."
Go tell that to a Vietnam vet. Then sit still for 10 hours and let him tell you what he went through in a "police action". If after that you agree wars need Congressional approval, I'll listen to you.
Good to hear another voice of intelligence in this babble. And to confess that you're a liberal who is supporting the government's current campaign takes guts, even if we don't know your true name.
I am wondering though, what 'branch' of liberalism you follow. And I don't mean this as a joke or insult, just curiuosity. If there was an election for president, and the following five candidates had equal chance of winning, who would you vote for?
A. Al Gore, Democrat
B. Ralph Nader, Green
C. George Bush, Republican
D. Harry Brown, Libertarian
E. Jesse Ventura, Reform
So you know where I am coming from, I would have voted for Jesse Ventura, and in '92 I did vote for Ross Perot. This time around it was for Bush, but in this state, it doesn't matter, Gore took it by a wide margin.
Haven't you heard? The last news I heard was the IRA was dis-arming. Not that they were going to be labelled as terrorists, but the attacks have given them a new perspective.
Right, human beings have no rights. Get over it.
The only places with 'human rights' are those places where the populace have forced the authorities to enumerate those rights.
And if the government doesn't make something illegal, for the area that government controls, it is legal. It might not be 'right' in your eyes, but you don't count if you're not under the jurisdiction of that government.
Ever hear of national sovereignty? Keep your petty thoughts out of others backyards.
"move into the mountains of Colorado without running water or electricity and carry a shotgun... you'll get PLENTY of privacy. "
Until the FBI wants to arrest you for being alone, and then shoots your spouse in the head.
If you have no idea what I am talking about, do a search for Ruby Ridge, and see what our precious government does to people who don't like it.
I was with you right up to the King Bush part. You mention we've been going down a slippery slope "these past few years". Don't forget who was second in command for the 8 most recent of those few years. Certainly the power grab of King Bush is no different than we would have seen if King Gore was in power. The main difference would be my taxes would still be higher.
So once there is a generation of Chinese colonists born in Tibet, you lose your argument.
Why don't people follow their own thoughts through for more than have a step? Come on, this reply took all of one second to pop into my brain. 900ms of that time was trying to see if you actually typed that thought.
By the way, how many treaties did China sign with Tibet not to invade? How many did the US government sign with the native tribes?
You should go to the Cuban embassy in Washington DC and request to be allowed to move to Cuba. Oh, wait, there is no Cuban embassy in DC. So go to the Secretary of State's office and ask how you can get a visa and passport to move to Cuba. When they stare blankly at you for a minute, you might realize something.
Our government (the US) has rules against leaving. You are not allowed to leave the US without a passport. If you do leave without one, you can't come back in legally. It works both ways, it's just that China has more restrictions that the US does.
"no wires to cut, no way to filter it."
I think that missle hitting the receiving dish would certainly filter the signal. Not to mention the bullets and grenades and stuff.
Hey, it's just too many people that think the whole world should be just like their vision of Utopia. Thankfully each area more or less takes care of its own problems in its own way.
And as for the methods being used by the protesters, all I ever heard was that they were have a peaceful demonstration and the military killed them. Of course it's hard to get the actual news nowadays, with the media twisting everything to their own viewpoint. But as I said before, if they don't have the guts to fight and die, I don't care about their cause.
And don't forget, Britain viewed the early actions of the American Revolution as criminal acts. I don't really hold that against the so-called revolutionaries in China. But where are they?
Touche`. But my point isn't that it's right or wrong. My point is that it is up to the people inside the country how their culture is to be maintained. Living under a strict dictatorship is their culture, and has been forever. When enough of them want to change it, they will.
This is in opposition to European culture which is basically to amass power by controlling everything and backstabbing everyone who helps you along the way. And the basic African culture is tribal, with small tribes warring against their neighbors continuously.
So basically, all three are based on control and warfare. But the more control the authority has, the less need for warfare. I don't think America or Europe has the right to even attempt to dictate to the Chinese how to run their country, or change their culture. Especially considering the less glamorous things in our collective past, some of which still continue. As for the items you mention, they have all occured, in some form, in other areas of the world as well.
And actually, how many women/girls in China have their feet bound? I see pictures of Chinese all the time, and I never notice flocks of crippled women. Is this something that is only done to about a dozen girls a year? It certainly wasn't done to all the women who are in the government.
Good god, not again.
Tianemmen was a joke, not a revolution. Imagine what the US would be like if everyone gave up and went home after the first 100 deaths in 1776. (Pause, as the British readers have a brief smile.) Or think who would control Europe if England and France had thought better of their agreement to assist Poland from Germany's invasion. China itself lost thousands of people even before then, when Japan invaded Manchuria.
But we are to care that a few Chinese students staged a protest, demanding their 'human rights' and quickly shut up when a few died. If they kept fighting, I would have sympathy and respect for them. But they quietly slinked away with their tail between their legs. Plenty of room for it since they had no more "balls".
And if you think it never happens in the US, look up Ruby Ridge. A FBI sniper shot a woman in the head because her husband didn't want the government to bother him. She was standing in a doorway, holding her baby in her arms, and he killed her because he had orders to shoot anything that moved. The sniper claims he wasn't aiming at her, but it is really hard to shoot someone in the head without aiming at it. It's not that easy when you _are_ aiming at it.
And lastly, the term "human rights" is a joke too. You only have the "rights" you earn. Read Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" sometime. The actual novel, not the movie adaptation. Has a real good handling of that term, better than I can do.
It's been their way of life for thousands of years. What is different now from when the Chinese Emperors ruled the land? Only the tools used. Cavalry horses were replaced by tanks, spears by guns, and paper by the Internet. The Chinese culture is exactly what it was for longer than any other country in the world. You think they should change their entire culture because you have some new notion of how government should be. How absurd.
Well they _have_ managed to do two things we in the USA can't seem to do. All but eliminate the mafia and government corruption. They have done this by putting the criminals on trial, finding them guilty on real evidence, and executing them. (Including a general in the military and regional governors, imagine that happening here.)
None of this Miranda rights crap we have in the US. No 20 years of bullshit appeals. No shyster lawyers redefining the meaning of the word 'the'. Just fair trials and just punishments. Hell, I kinda wish they would go thru our Congress and Courts like that. Weed out the bad ones so honest ones can get in.
Is that Progressive enough for you? Wiping out crime? Or are you one of those criminal-lovers that think mass-murderers should be pampered in a comfortable room at SingSing Hilton?
And the pussies stopped just because a few died?
Poor babies, they got a little booboo on their little tummies, and don't want to play with the big kids anymore. Boohoofuckinghoo.
How many people the world over have fought and died to gain control of their country from a repressive group? In America we generally think of the Revolutionary War first, but there's also the Civil War and the War of 1812. England had many wars over who would be king or queen. World War II had people everywhere fighting, even in China.
Basically, there's only a few 'revolutionaries' in China nowadays, and they're wimps. A thousand have a protest in Tiannemen Square. Tanks roll over a few of them, and the rest shut their mouths and tow the line. For this we should give them sympathy? Let them stand up and fight, then I will have sympathy when the government kills them. Nothing less is worthy.
Get a grip. While I think this Magic Lantern program will be mostly useless, for all the stated reasons, it won't be illegal for want of a warrant.
Would the police knock on your door and ask to install a bug in your phone? No, they get a secret court order to wiretap your line. They get warrants for this all the time in criminal investigations, or have you never watched "Law and Order"?
Of course they will have a warrant to use this program, if they are allowed to use it. And since they have a warrant, they will be able to use the information they collect in any court proceedings.
Some people have said to use two computers, on on the net, and the other not connected. Encrypt and decrypt on the unconnected system, and use floppy or zip disks to move files to and from the connected system.
But really, as long as the system you read email on isn't doing the actual en-/decrypting, they can both be on the net. Read email on one computer. Transfer files from and to the encrypting system over the network. This keylogging program, Magic Lantern, only works if the machine it infects runs the PGP program. It's useless if only the computer next to it runs PGP. Magic Lantern would still be installed on the email machine, but since it never runs PGP, it can't do anything. It can't perform keylogging on the encrypting computer, even if the two are networked. No need to use floppies.
I think a large part of the perception of this line of thought is whether the person has a wife and kids. A single person with no kids and few expenses other than food and rent is more able to struggle thru an unemployed time. Or working at a low earning job to cover the basics while waiting to a good job to appear. He can also write code when he wants at home, doesn't have to have 'quality time' with the family.
A married guy on the other hand, needs a decent paycheck to keep the wife happy. And with kids thrown in, you have to buy more food and clothes too. So he needs a real job as soon as possible, whether it's in IT or not, and spends his time at home with the family, doing what they want.
Been there, done that.
And for the women or political-correctness nazis, yes I used a male for both examples, and yes I realize female workers are affected too, probably even more so because of the male chauvenism in the business world. But I will still use the male-oriented examples, because that is the culture. And as for the "decent paycheck to keep the wife happy" comment, it's true, don't deny it. If a married guy has a low paying job, such as flipping burgers, the wife is very unlikely to be happy when he brings home the paycheck. That too is part of the culture we live in.
Your sig asks a very important question:
"Can bin Laden get a fair trial? "
Very probably answer:
Corpses aren't put on trial.
Sounds like a little too much hype. The article and write up say the thing collects enough info every hour to fill a dozen hard drives. But what size hard drives? The project started in 1988, so are we using 1988 hard drives? That should be about 50MB each, so a dozen totals a whopping 600MB of data. Wow.
"the most strident, right-wing, religious, gun-nut, reactionary conservative. "
Get a grip. I voted for Bush last November for a few reasons. He didn't reinvent his image each week as Gore did. He may seem dense to some people, but at least he won't weasle his way around the law like Clinton did. And he seemed to do a good job at his last positions of authority.
And I would have voted for Gore if he had the integrity during the Clinton impeachment scandel to insist Clinton resign or he would himself. People like you seem to forget that at least Nixon had the character to resign before he was impeached, and before greater shame was brought upon the country. If Gore had done so, and shown the integrity that Clinton lacked, I would have voted for him.
Now for your points above:
Strident: I am as laid back as you can get, as long as I have an open road in front of me, and a can of pop in the cup holder.
Right-wing: I think the government has too much power over us. We should be able to decide personal issues for ourselves. Helmet and seatbelt laws are ridiculous. If that's right-wing, so be it.
Religious: I was raised Jehovah's Witness. Never went around converting/terrorizing neighborhoods, but knew some who did. (Some came to the door one day. I invited them in, and found out that they knew my grandmother from the Hall.) Yet I am not religious today. My wife is Buddhist, but not really gung-ho about it. I don't care what god you believe in, just don't force it down my throat.
Gun-nut:Only time I have fired a gun in the last decade was in the military. Don't own one, never have personally, but we had some shotguns when I was a kid.
Reactionary (As opposed to Revolutionary): Not even close. I don't think the government should run around and pass laws in reaction to everything that happens. They should have a two year cooling off period before any knew laws are passed. Face it, the government is run by idiots at all levels. The less they do the better.
Conservative: Where to start??? Gays should have the same legal trappings as straights, minority groups should be allowed to have their customs without being forced to mainstream everything, English as a national language is the stupidest thing anyone has thought of (I'd rather have Latin or Esperanza), and we should actively pursue cases against monopolies that take advantage of their power the way Microsoft has done.
So about the only group that Bush and I are both in is that I want my taxes lowered too. Other than that, I would have voted Libertarian. Of course where I live, the state was predetermined to be for Gore, no matter what.
First off, it should be US residents. The first ammendment applies to EVERYONE in the US, not just to citizens of the US. Secondly, this case isn't about France prohibiting people from downloading, it's about France telling a company that they have to stop sending information to people in France. I think that French law already prohibits people from downloading the information, but because people still do, they decided to go after the website itself.
so yes, it is a whole different matter, just not "suddenly". it was from the start.
Shove your "prevention [of] the spread of hate litterature" up your ass. France would let any other group spread hate literature, just not nazi stuff because of their recent history of getting their asses kicked. If an arabic group was spreading hate literature against the US that would be OK. If protestants were spreading hate literature against catholics that would be OK. If jews were spreading hate literature against neo-nazis and arabs that would be OK.
Should the US ban sales of communist items, just because we got our asses kicked in Vietnam? Freedom of speech cuts both ways. It's just apparent that France, and Germany too by the way, don't want it. Hell the US is doing away with it slowly. At least this ruling clarifies we will outlaw it at our pace, not someone else's.
So does Germany ban memorabelia that may be painful to its war survivors? Can I buy a British medal in Germany, even though some people's grandparents were killed by British troops. Can I buy Soviet badges even though the Russians executed many people in their path on the way to Berlin? They probably raped a few too, who knows. So whose story is sadder?
When will you guys understand that in war, people die. Not just soldiers. Anyone who get in the way of someone's rage. And besides, you Europeans have been killing each other for thousands of years. Don't expect any sympathy from me. I don't have any more for you than I do for Germany after Napolean conquered them in the 1800s. How many innocent Germans died then? It's obvious you don't care about that, it's ancient history. War is hell, get over it.