the slanderers on slashdot are the "whiner/user" half of the linux community. We yell and gripe and whine about everything. If you don't beleive me, just check out a "new app/distro/kernel" release thread. We whine and complain and MS gets its (definately) fair share.
However, the linux community is not a company. it does not have a CEO, a schedule, a plan, deadlines, or a mission statement. It might have some common views, but not everyone is pro-GPL even. It also has a million mini-PR guys, geeks with minds who like what they see. It has a million coders. It's kinda like the blob.
Yes, there are whiners...but then you have the kernel hackers who don't care too much about what Microsoft is doing. People that just put their time into making the best kernel they possibly can. And I think that their work is marvelous, IMO.
Now, i just have to ask...why are they bastards? they are giving you a free email account on their servers. Yes, they were sneaky and changed it without explicitly telling you. but you still can change the settings, and apparently they notified some people. Why are they so evil?
i'm not arguing, too much. i just want your opinion.
Windows and Linux both suck. The difference is that Linux sucks twice as fast and 10 times more reliably.
On the contrary, my windows 98 sucks MUCH more reliably than linux. i can rely on it to crash at least once per day. Linux...well it's a rare, rare thing.
my thoughts exactly, i just was using POP in yahoo and wondering how they made money. I like Yahoo, they are what i consider to be a "good" company...but they aren't perfect by a long shot. I think if they had told everyone that they were going to do this, and provide an easy link to let everyone change it back, that would have been just fine.
i understand the need to make money. I just think they made a decent-sized mistake by not telling people.
sounds like it's time to move it away from the corporations. Run linux. turn off popups. Linux is about the users, not the corporations...and i think it might be a solution to this problem. i'm not saying that linux is there, now. it needs a little gui work and more experience saturation in the world. But its the solution. You can get rid of your trojans. you can ssh in to help them. they don't really even need ads.
Yeah. people say, "linux isn't user-friendly." Screw them. I say windows isn't user-friendly. It is full of ads. it crashes way too much. it is proprietary, handled by one corporation that is under trial (TRIAL!) now. and there are way too many viruses.
contrast this with linux. with a little experience and help, users can run IceWM and be quite happy. if you dont want to do that, run KDE. With a little tweaking, it almost IS the MS Gui. Linux lets you IM, email, solitaire, watch a few movies, just about whatever you need. My mom uses her pc to email. that's it. My dad uses his to do office work, watch an occasional movie...and maybe a game of solitaire or something. They represent a hefty chunk of the user base that could easily switch. They get sick of all the corporations, too, the ad's, the spam. a few tweaks to Mozilla gets rid of the ads...spam isn't too hard either. I agree...the modern internet blows in some aspects. but that doesn't mean you have to just complain, you can do something about it.
I have been checking my email. NEVER GOT ONE. I dont' know who is putting out this rumor that "everyone got an email" but i sure didn't, and when i cheched my policy WAS changed and I already had spam. And yeah, pop access is gone too. yahoo is almost as bad as hotmail now... : )
how hard is it dealing with their message expiration? i read that messages expire after XX amount of time...ever have trouble with that? and do you work for softhome?
you must be running my parent's ISP at home. They have a pile of lost connections, DNS failures, and misc. other problems. if you are serious about being able to do this...what possibly can my parent's ISP be using?
This...is a troll. yeah. right. For the fool who mod'ed this guy down, it might help to point out that the MCP is from a movie called Tron and this post was _humor_.
RedHat makes money off of stuff you may have worked on, I don't know. but then again, you did put it under the GPL. So i guess you didnt' really want to make much off of it anyways. Conclusion: you are retarded, RedHat is just fine.
Actually i was speaking of that other software company we talk about. The one that relies on their old reputation, sweet OEM deals, their current market share, a hefty ad budget (including some great FUD writers + lawyers) etc to stay on top.
IMO, anyone open enough to try netscape 6 might just come back when a "new" browser, i.e. mozilla, that these geeks from slashdot say so much good about, hits 1.0. I know i'd try it, if I wasn't already using it. I think 1.0 won't be perfect either, and it might scare some off. it happens. but i think that a lot of people are using Netscape 6.2.2 (is that it now?) and are happy. wait until the rest of them see better IE-compatibility, tab's, etc in Mozilla. I think we may be in for some fun, ladies and gentlemen. I sure hope so. Especially if the courts go the right way about MS.
it's about time for a good browswer war. And speaking of which, isn't it about time for a good MS virus? I mean, how long has it been, anyways? The kiddies must be slacking off...
I think he means "open in new window" is one-click, not the context menu. I for one find this feature infinitely useful, for reading slashdot among other things. i can keep the regular thread open and have a reply open too, as i do now, and do it with one click. I like being able to branch off and come back. and IE just doesn't do it like Moz does...ditto for tabbed browsing, popups, etc. Oh yeah and that security thing.
A non-mp3-centric p2p network? must be you haven't tried all of them. I find this one has nearly any movie i'd want, but rarely has more than 5 songs by any artist. It does movies really well, with multiple (slow) simultaneous connections, I always get what i can find. However, finding an MP3 is not worth the work, although YMMV. don't forget to check out this site if you do decide to use the donkey.
for what web applications could changing the color of the scroll bar possibly be important? I can't think of anything right now - I always found it to be just a waste and a distraction...?
somebody always mentions that microsoft has piles of money too. But no business can be successful losing money. you are very correct. Intel has stopped making consumer products because the money wasn't there. AMD has bent their processor monopoly...and I am hoping that in the future it will be broken. I think that if AMD gets too competitive (smaller die size, more power...essentially better design) then Intel might just have to change and do a little following themselves...is that the call of a Yamhill I hear?
No one remembers the past here on slashdot. no one remembers $500 for a processor. Sure manufacturing costs have gone down but costs don't matter in the end - competition matters. Do you think Microsoft could charge what it does for its products if competition was really allowed? In the same way, AMD has made it better for everyone but Intel by providing a great competition. and that is why I like them.
that...and they are such a good company otherwise.
actually Intel has been going more and more against Microsoft. And AMD (at least according to an interview with AMD's CEO) has been working with microsoft to get their Hammer's paired with MS's new operating system. While there are parallels between the two company's ways of doing business, as you say...their alliance seems to be splitting.
An interesting thought: AMD teams with MS on it's next operating system, leaving Intel out in the cold...and Intel pushes Linux. Intel might lose market share as i think MS has a more powerful grip on its monopoly. But such a situation could only help AMD, and perhaps linux too. Or is it all just a crazy theory?
Intel spends $1 billion annually on PR. does this sound like a) a processor company working hard to make products that sell themselves or b) a processor company making decent products that uses their market position, old reputation, piles of ads, and sweet OEM deals to beat off the hungry wolves.
you probably can tell which view is the one I hold. BTW...does this remind you of any other companies we talk about here?
I've had nothing but good with my AMD's, they've pretty much sold me unless something really weird happens. I got a prebuilt system - and the cheap guys who built it never got the fan on right so i was running my athlon 500 w/the fan mostly off for a decent while. only overheated once...and then I opened it up and took a closer look - whoops. I locked it on good and it hasn't come off since.
erobertstad - if you dont' want it, email me and maybe we can work something out - i collect old processor's anyways. An athlon 550 you say? And you've tried different hardware. hmm that is strange. Oh well look me up if you are interested.
my girlfriend is a waitress, and at her (local) restaurant they have gone more electronic. it was all paper, now they have machines keeping totals, while the servers still have to write down the orders and enter them into the computers. the owners just found out that maybe 5 waitresses were stealing hundreds. no wonder profits were down. Electonics are useful.
on the other hand, i printed out a few documents so i could take them with me, wherever i go. sure they are online...but sometimes i'm not. until my pda has a better viewsceen and allows me to read and highlight easily, I'll be highlighting on hard copy...although i am almost "note"-less. Thank you Palm.
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And responding that your nifty OS can last a whole three days is like lifting a feather in response to someone saying, "you are a wimp."
so true...so true. I suck at solitaire, btw.
the slanderers on slashdot are the "whiner/user" half of the linux community. We yell and gripe and whine about everything. If you don't beleive me, just check out a "new app/distro/kernel" release thread. We whine and complain and MS gets its (definately) fair share.
However, the linux community is not a company. it does not have a CEO, a schedule, a plan, deadlines, or a mission statement. It might have some common views, but not everyone is pro-GPL even. It also has a million mini-PR guys, geeks with minds who like what they see. It has a million coders. It's kinda like the blob.
Yes, there are whiners...but then you have the kernel hackers who don't care too much about what Microsoft is doing. People that just put their time into making the best kernel they possibly can. And I think that their work is marvelous, IMO.
the Sun man responds, "Your yugo needs fixing?"
We are talking operating systems here, not hardware.
Now, i just have to ask...why are they bastards? they are giving you a free email account on their servers. Yes, they were sneaky and changed it without explicitly telling you. but you still can change the settings, and apparently they notified some people. Why are they so evil?
i'm not arguing, too much. i just want your opinion.
Windows and Linux both suck. The difference is that Linux sucks twice as fast and 10 times more reliably.
On the contrary, my windows 98 sucks MUCH more reliably than linux. i can rely on it to crash at least once per day. Linux...well it's a rare, rare thing.
I keep wondering how long they've got.
my thoughts exactly, i just was using POP in yahoo and wondering how they made money. I like Yahoo, they are what i consider to be a "good" company...but they aren't perfect by a long shot. I think if they had told everyone that they were going to do this, and provide an easy link to let everyone change it back, that would have been just fine.
i understand the need to make money. I just think they made a decent-sized mistake by not telling people.
sounds like it's time to move it away from the corporations. Run linux. turn off popups. Linux is about the users, not the corporations...and i think it might be a solution to this problem. i'm not saying that linux is there, now. it needs a little gui work and more experience saturation in the world. But its the solution. You can get rid of your trojans. you can ssh in to help them. they don't really even need ads.
Yeah. people say, "linux isn't user-friendly." Screw them. I say windows isn't user-friendly. It is full of ads. it crashes way too much. it is proprietary, handled by one corporation that is under trial (TRIAL!) now. and there are way too many viruses.
contrast this with linux. with a little experience and help, users can run IceWM and be quite happy. if you dont want to do that, run KDE. With a little tweaking, it almost IS the MS Gui. Linux lets you IM, email, solitaire, watch a few movies, just about whatever you need. My mom uses her pc to email. that's it. My dad uses his to do office work, watch an occasional movie...and maybe a game of solitaire or something. They represent a hefty chunk of the user base that could easily switch. They get sick of all the corporations, too, the ad's, the spam. a few tweaks to Mozilla gets rid of the ads...spam isn't too hard either. I agree...the modern internet blows in some aspects. but that doesn't mean you have to just complain, you can do something about it.
if i had mod points...or meta points. but i don't yet and never have. so now what?
I have been checking my email. NEVER GOT ONE. I dont' know who is putting out this rumor that "everyone got an email" but i sure didn't, and when i cheched my policy WAS changed and I already had spam. And yeah, pop access is gone too. yahoo is almost as bad as hotmail now... : )
I just opted out. guess i'd better get out my tinfoil. actually mine's lead it works better.
By the way, love the sig. worth a smile, at least.
how hard is it dealing with their message expiration? i read that messages expire after XX amount of time...ever have trouble with that? and do you work for softhome?
you must be running my parent's ISP at home. They have a pile of lost connections, DNS failures, and misc. other problems. if you are serious about being able to do this...what possibly can my parent's ISP be using?
This...is a troll. yeah. right. For the fool who mod'ed this guy down, it might help to point out that the MCP is from a movie called Tron and this post was _humor_.
RedHat makes money off of stuff you may have worked on, I don't know. but then again, you did put it under the GPL. So i guess you didnt' really want to make much off of it anyways. Conclusion: you are retarded, RedHat is just fine.
Actually i was speaking of that other software company we talk about. The one that relies on their old reputation, sweet OEM deals, their current market share, a hefty ad budget (including some great FUD writers + lawyers) etc to stay on top.
IMO, anyone open enough to try netscape 6 might just come back when a "new" browser, i.e. mozilla, that these geeks from slashdot say so much good about, hits 1.0. I know i'd try it, if I wasn't already using it. I think 1.0 won't be perfect either, and it might scare some off. it happens. but i think that a lot of people are using Netscape 6.2.2 (is that it now?) and are happy. wait until the rest of them see better IE-compatibility, tab's, etc in Mozilla. I think we may be in for some fun, ladies and gentlemen. I sure hope so. Especially if the courts go the right way about MS.
it's about time for a good browswer war. And speaking of which, isn't it about time for a good MS virus? I mean, how long has it been, anyways? The kiddies must be slacking off...
I think he means "open in new window" is one-click, not the context menu. I for one find this feature infinitely useful, for reading slashdot among other things. i can keep the regular thread open and have a reply open too, as i do now, and do it with one click. I like being able to branch off and come back. and IE just doesn't do it like Moz does...ditto for tabbed browsing, popups, etc. Oh yeah and that security thing.
A non-mp3-centric p2p network? must be you haven't tried all of them. I find this one has nearly any movie i'd want, but rarely has more than 5 songs by any artist. It does movies really well, with multiple (slow) simultaneous connections, I always get what i can find. However, finding an MP3 is not worth the work, although YMMV. don't forget to check out this site if you do decide to use the donkey.
-Dave
for what web applications could changing the color of the scroll bar possibly be important? I can't think of anything right now - I always found it to be just a waste and a distraction...?
virtual desktops? unless you are using windows...sorry.
somebody always mentions that microsoft has piles of money too. But no business can be successful losing money. you are very correct. Intel has stopped making consumer products because the money wasn't there. AMD has bent their processor monopoly...and I am hoping that in the future it will be broken. I think that if AMD gets too competitive (smaller die size, more power...essentially better design) then Intel might just have to change and do a little following themselves...is that the call of a Yamhill I hear?
No one remembers the past here on slashdot. no one remembers $500 for a processor. Sure manufacturing costs have gone down but costs don't matter in the end - competition matters. Do you think Microsoft could charge what it does for its products if competition was really allowed? In the same way, AMD has made it better for everyone but Intel by providing a great competition. and that is why I like them.
that...and they are such a good company otherwise.
actually Intel has been going more and more against Microsoft. And AMD (at least according to an interview with AMD's CEO) has been working with microsoft to get their Hammer's paired with MS's new operating system. While there are parallels between the two company's ways of doing business, as you say...their alliance seems to be splitting.
An interesting thought: AMD teams with MS on it's next operating system, leaving Intel out in the cold...and Intel pushes Linux. Intel might lose market share as i think MS has a more powerful grip on its monopoly. But such a situation could only help AMD, and perhaps linux too. Or is it all just a crazy theory?
Intel spends $1 billion annually on PR. does this sound like a) a processor company working hard to make products that sell themselves or b) a processor company making decent products that uses their market position, old reputation, piles of ads, and sweet OEM deals to beat off the hungry wolves.
you probably can tell which view is the one I hold. BTW...does this remind you of any other companies we talk about here?
I've had nothing but good with my AMD's, they've pretty much sold me unless something really weird happens. I got a prebuilt system - and the cheap guys who built it never got the fan on right so i was running my athlon 500 w/the fan mostly off for a decent while. only overheated once...and then I opened it up and took a closer look - whoops. I locked it on good and it hasn't come off since.
erobertstad - if you dont' want it, email me and maybe we can work something out - i collect old processor's anyways. An athlon 550 you say? And you've tried different hardware. hmm that is strange. Oh well look me up if you are interested.
my girlfriend is a waitress, and at her (local) restaurant they have gone more electronic. it was all paper, now they have machines keeping totals, while the servers still have to write down the orders and enter them into the computers. the owners just found out that maybe 5 waitresses were stealing hundreds. no wonder profits were down. Electonics are useful.
on the other hand, i printed out a few documents so i could take them with me, wherever i go. sure they are online...but sometimes i'm not. until my pda has a better viewsceen and allows me to read and highlight easily, I'll be highlighting on hard copy...although i am almost "note"-less. Thank you Palm.