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The Myth of the Paperless Office

AdamBa writes: "The New Yorker is running an interesting review of the book 'The Myth of the Paperless Office', also discussing 'Scrolling Forward'. Read it and the ever-informative Malcolm Gladwell will explain why paper enables collaborative work much better than computers do, why a messy desk is a sign of productivity, and give a little background on the inventor of the Dewey Decimal System to boot."

311 comments

  1. Is there an online version..... by mickwd · · Score: 4, Funny

    ....of the book ?

    Or is someone just taking the myth ?

    1. Re:Is there an online version..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An earlier paper is availble, check citeseer.

    2. Re:Is there an online version..... by Wanker · · Score: 4, Informative
    3. Re:Is there an online version..... by xmedar · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you'll be needing the Printer Freindly version of the article to start with...

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  2. wrong by geekoid · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "why a messy desk is a sign of productivity"

    wrong. Whether or not your producing is a sign of productivity, not the state of your desk.

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    1. Re:wrong by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whether or not your producing is a sign of productivity, not the state of your desk.

      Darn... I was just starting to feel really productive :-(

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    2. Re:wrong by curunir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well...Duh...thanks for stating the obvious. Who modded this to "Insightful"...In other news, the best solution to any given problem is the solutions that works the best and the team that scores the most goals is likely to win the game.

      A messy desk can be an indicator of productivity if there is a statistical correlation between the two. It is not an assurance of productivity and therefore cannot be used as a measure of productivity.

      For example, an "Insightful" comment is a sign of a post with some insight into some subject or other. However, as we have just seen, it is not an assurance of such insight.

      ...I'm not usually this bitter... :^)

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    3. Re:wrong by geekoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes it would seem to be obvious, but I keep running into people who have this "geek lifestyle" hang-up that means you have to be a slob to be a geek. The fact that I watch them spend 15 minutes looking for something on there desk annoys the living crap out of me.
      When I casuall remark about this I always get the "a messy desk is a sign of productivity" crap.

      So to those people, my post could have been insight full. Although Informative, or +1 slobs please read may have been better ;)
      truth be told I consider my post a 2, but hey they won't even let me moderate for some reason.

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    4. Re:wrong by hymie3 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, but my manager seems to think that messiness equates to productivity, so I'm more than happy to leave my desk in a state of mess.

      Now if only I could convince my girlfriend of the virtues of me having a messy house....

    5. Re:wrong by Skater · · Score: 1

      No, he's right. I keep a clean desk, and frequently heard things like, "You need more work!"

      Lately, work has spooled up to a high level, and I'm just not clearing it off every day like I used to. Guess what? I'm not hearing that I need more work, either!

    6. Re:wrong by crawfles · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The messy desk is a signifier.

      The productivity itself is what is signified.

      Together, they make a sign.

    7. Re:wrong by lowtekneq · · Score: 1

      In my case when im doing something (studying/coding/ect) my desk is usually covered in papers, though when im just sitting there my desk is clean. Generally if you walk into someones office and see their desk cluttered with papers (check for dust and the dates on papers) you would think they are keeping busy.

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    8. Re:wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're wrong. Producing something *IS* productivity.

      A 'sign' is 'Something that suggests the presence or existence of a fact, condition, or quality.' It's indirect evidence. Get it?

    9. Re:wrong by johnnyb · · Score: 1

      I love your sig!

    10. Re:wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the funny thing is, your display of erudition and acquaintance with post-modern philosphy will not be noticed here on /.

    11. Re:wrong by Shadowlore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would wager that those people you talk of are not very productive, even if they had an anally-retentive organize their desks.

      I am one of those who have a "messy" desk. But it is only messy to the untrained eye. I *know* where things are. Some neurologists have theorized that those who have a "messy" bedroom or desk, but can remember pretty much where everything is, can do so because the "mess" is something we created.

      In any case, people such as myself, tend to be non-lateral thinkers. It took years to convince my mother that my room wasn't messy. What finally worked was that she said something to the effect of "you can't find anything in there". I replied with "No, mom, YOU can't. I can find anything."

      After twenty minutes of her asking for something and me demonstrating I knew exactly where it was, she finally gave in.

      Still, a messy desk *is* a "sign" of productivity, but it is not a positive proof of it. After all, there have been "signs" of bigfoot and aliens, but you still have to look at other factors. Those people you run in to confuse "sign of" with "cause of". While we're being pedantic, productivity can not be a sign of productivity. ;^)

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    12. Re:wrong by odaiwai · · Score: 2

      Insightful? How about a new moderation category: Bullshit.

    13. Re:wrong by UberFish · · Score: 0

      So thats 20 minutes of:

      Wheres your shirts?
      They're on the floor.
      Wheres your toys?
      On the floor.
      And your books? Where are they?
      Over there, on the floor.
      Where would you look for your pocketmoney.
      I'd start at ground level and stay there.

      I'm a rickety stack of unread reports, manuals and textbooks kind of guy. Most of my desk is clear, but the unclear part is 1 meter high.

    14. Re:wrong by soy(storm) · · Score: 0

      So you are saying that if I always smell like horseshit, that a scent of horseshit cannot be taken as a sign of my possible imminent or recent presence in a room without myself actually being seen along with the sensing of the scent of horseshit?

      Although I cannot see you and although I don't know you, your piece of writing is a sign of horseshit.

      Pardon my vulgar nature.

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      Currere potes, sed oculare non potes.

    15. Re:wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is insightful.
      Will you pedantic geeks debate the
      definition of the word 'is' for me
      now?

    16. Re:wrong by flufffy · · Score: 2

      not really postmodern ... the theory was drawn up as a theory of language by the linguist ferdinand de saussure at the beginning of the 1900s. de saussure never published this although he did teach it and after his untimely death his students went back over their class notes and put a book together. guess this would not happen these days ... the theory was influential in a number of fields including with the anthropologist claude levi-strauss.

    17. Re:wrong by curunir · · Score: 2

      Yeah...back when I was a freshman in high school, I had a very similar discussion with my mom. I successfully proved to her that I knew where everything was...her response:

      "Yeah, but you wouldn't want a girlfriend to see this, would you?"

      Suffice it to say that my room was much cleaner the next day and remains so to this day.

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  3. But... by qwerpoiu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Without paper, how will woodcutters get paid? Help the workers! Buy paper!

  4. Why Paper Rules by sgtsanity · · Score: 1, Insightful

    One Word. Resolution. Until you can buy a computer monitor for very cheap that has the resolution that paper does, the paperless office will never succeed.

    1. Re:Why Paper Rules by O2n · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Any New Year's resolution?"
      "Yep: 1440 dpi" :)

    2. Re:Why Paper Rules by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      Don't forget electricity and portability. Can't read a PDF if you're rebooting or installing the OS. A Palm or PocketPC is portable, but then you're limited by the battery life and the 2 inch wide screen.

    3. Re:Why Paper Rules by Corporate+Drone · · Score: 4, Funny
      And, as Enron/Anderson and Microsoft have shown us, it's so much easier to dispose of inconvenient paper evidence than electronic evidence...

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    4. Re:Why Paper Rules by svenqhj · · Score: 1, Funny

      My favorite quote is "The paperless office is about as effective as the paperless bathroom."

    5. Re:Why Paper Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever visited any eastern countries? You can find plenty of bathroooms in India that have no toilet paper. You use a bucket of water and your hand. Once you're done, you wash your hands in a sink with soap and water.

    6. Re:Why Paper Rules by Shadowlore · · Score: 2, Funny

      *snicker*snicker* he doesn't know how to use the three shells. *snicker*

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    7. Re:Why Paper Rules by SoSueMe · · Score: 1

      Like the paperless office, the "paperless bathroom" would leave too many "tracks"!

    8. Re:Why Paper Rules by DuncanMurray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's also the number of monitors. It wont ever get completely paperless until the desk surface itself is made of 4 or 6 hi res touch screen monitors.

      And they must be run by separate PC(s) so you can reboot, BSOD , whatever without losing the ability to use the information.

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    9. Re:Why Paper Rules by Xaoswolf · · Score: 1

      I can see it now.
      Instead of a shreader, every office will have a little glass case with a hatchet inside with the words "Incase of Law Suit, Break Glass" written on it.

  5. The day your office gets paperless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The day your office gets paperless is the same day your officebuilding burns down to the ground.

    1. Re:The day your office gets paperless... by telstar · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the red stapler...

    2. Re:The day your office gets paperless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are referring to the hilarious movie "Office Space" which I found to be especially humorous? Your comment on the other hand is dry and tasteless, much like the week old pizza I had the unfortunate luck of digesting in the absence of any other food edible product.

    3. Re:The day your office gets paperless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... so that was the Real News on 9/11 then...WTC goes paperless...

      Posts anon and ducks...

  6. Productive by Bahamuto · · Score: 0, Redundant

    a messy desk is a sign of productivity

    Well now I guess I"m the most productive guy in the office!

    Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?

  7. Whoever wrote this... by xdistak · · Score: 1

    Has obviously seen Office Space. I think that's an exact quote from Michael Bolton to the two people restructuring the company. A great movie, and computers definitely can replace office paper, besides the necessary printing paper. A catch-22?

    1. Re:Whoever wrote this... by clarkgoble · · Score: 2, Funny

      Right. . . So did you get the memo about the new cover sheets?

    2. Re:Whoever wrote this... by zulux · · Score: 2

      Right. . . So did you get the memo about the new cover sheets?

      (snicker)

      For one of my clients, I made a bogus TPS report and left it for them to discover. I've been told that when one of the middle-managment types found it, he 'bout pissed his pants with glee.

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  8. Yeah..right.... by Sir+Homer · · Score: 0

    A messy desk is a sign of no organisation. I keep my papers nice and stacked.

    1. Re:Yeah..right.... by $0+31337 · · Score: 0

      organisation (organization) is a sign of no dictionary

  9. The next generation portable, PAPER! by t0qer · · Score: 5, Funny

    With paper you don't need,
    Batteries
    Network connection
    Power plug
    Monitor
    Keyboard or mouse (pen though)

    Paper is about the most reliable form of interoffice communication there is. You can take it with you anywhere, you can read it anytime you want. It's lightweight, and neatly folds up into a smaller space. If you need security, paper can be burned or shredded. If you get really bored, you can make airplanes out of paper.

    You want games? Paper has some of the most ancient and popular games ever. Tic tac toe, connect the dots to name a few. Paper even has an intuitive interface for making your own games. In fact it's so easy a toddler can do it!

    Paper in volume can be used to prop up a montior to eye level that doesn't have a stand. Have a table with a leg that's a little short? Easy enough, some folded paper under the affected leg will make that table stand on all 4 legs like new again.

    Girls love paper! Write a love letter, send a card, these will allways get you more brownie points with your signifigant other than electronic methods.

    Paper has been used for thousands of years, without paper, we wouldn't have the great teaching of our forfathers. Our constitution was written on paper!

    Have you hugged your paper today?

    1. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by cheetham · · Score: 1

      Also, things written on paper aren't affected as much by EM radiation and magenets. :)

    2. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by clarkgoble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Paper also gets lost and is a pain to make 100 copies for everyone in the division. Further there are the problems of joint-editing, getting confused about what version is which (unless you remember to time-stamp every page) and so forth.

      Paper is generally much better for reading, due to resolution and "handling" but not for much else. Often when composing I print out my documents, grab a couple of pens and edit that way. (Even with source code) But for everything else it is all electronic.

    3. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Our constitution was written on paper!"

      No.

      Not if you are a citizen of the United States of America, anyway. Our constitution was written on parchment, not paper. Parchment is made from animal skin. It has historically been used for important documents because it is considered more durable than paper (and floppy disks).

    4. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by t0qer · · Score: 2

      I thought it was written on hemp, AKA marijuana.

    5. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can also encrypt it like Enron did by cutting it up into tiny packets and randomizing the order.

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    6. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to add another category paper is good for. Personal communication. Where the intended communication is not for others. Paper allows a more direct link between the thought and the symbol because you are not forced to use predefined symbols nor predefined sets of rules regarding the placement of symbols and you can be as sloppy as you want. After all its your thoughts

    7. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's lightweight, and neatly folds up into a smaller space.

      You must have some different kind of paper than I do. Either that or you don't read very much. Paper is bulky, heavy and a real pain to cart around.

      Bits are really lightweight and you can fit an unbelievably large number of them into a very tiny space. My e-Book weighs less about three pounds, takes up the same space as one paperback and carries the content of 15-20 books. I can fit a few technical references, all of the documentation to the projects I'm currently working on, a bunch of the source code and a few novels besides all in that tiny space.

      Any then there's my laptop, with its 32GB HDD...

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    8. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you are confusing "Written on hemp" with "Written WHILE on hemp." :)

    9. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The rough draft was written on hemp, which was a fiber very commonly used for paper (and rope, and clothing) back then. But not marijuana. The THC content of the variety of hemp that's grown for its fibers is too low for it to merit the name.

      Important documents in those days were always "engrossed" on long-lasting parchment once the final version of the text was hammered out.

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    10. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer to separate the male plants from the female plants...
      --George Washington, sinsemilla smoker

    11. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Milican · · Score: 1

      haha.. maybe its against the DMCA for FBI to reassemble the packets..

      JOhn

    12. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by RetroGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Laugh if you like, but there are people PAID to re-assemble shredded documents.

      They test the effectiveness of paper shredders.

      The ones you get in office supply stores suck. Only 1/4 inch wide cuts. The real shredders cut about 1/2 millimeter, and cross shred 4 millimeters. You end up with big dust....

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    13. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you don't need software with some restrictive click thriugh license just to read a paper document...

    14. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      Actually, in Germany, probably Berlin, there's a bunch of people employed to re-assemble shredded files, of the Gestapo I believe. They contain information about what happened to missing people.

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    15. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by 56ker · · Score: 1

      Grr - I thought my job was boring and then I found out about the people who reassemble shredded paper all day! Makes me think of the Penguin out of that Batman film where he sticks all the shredded paper together with selotape to use for blackmail.

    16. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      If they used the numbers 0 or 1 in the documents, then literally they probably could. Afterall, that'd make them digital!

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    17. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by clarkgoble · · Score: 1

      If you have a graphics tablet you can actually do that electronically as well. It is just that "pen computing" for regular PCs isn't that common. (And I'm not about to shell out $200 for one)

    18. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by maetenloch · · Score: 1

      Back in 1979 right before the Iranians overran the U.S. embassy and took the staff the hostage, most of the important documents were shredded. A few years ago I saw a news report where several teams of Iranian women had spent years pieceing the slices back together, and had actually managed to rebuild quite a few documents. Of course, by that time most of the information gained was out of date anyway.

    19. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Random+Bystander · · Score: 1

      For the life of me, I can't work out why they don't just burn it. It's gotta be cheaper, and faster to do it that way. Correct me if I'm wrong. The only possibility I can come up with is that they want to sell their shredded paper to a recycling company or something daft like that.

    20. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      Paper is about the most reliable form of interoffice communication there is. You can take it with you anywhere, you can read it anytime you want. It's lightweight, and neatly folds up into a smaller space.
      You can`t grep dead trees.

      (Actually, that`s a misnomer. Bond paper is actually mostly made out of old rags).

    21. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      Bits are really lightweight and you can fit an unbelievably large number of them into a very tiny space.
      You can also hurl them around at the speed of light.
    22. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by stmfreak · · Score: 1

      Paper is about the most reliable form of interoffice communication there is. You can take it with you anywhere, you can read it anytime you want.

      At night? Without Power? Under a new Moon?

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    23. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paper has been used for several hundred years.

      Our Constitution was written on parchment.

    24. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by MisterBlister · · Score: 2
      Paper shredders are just much more convient. You can leave one running in your office all the time and just drop large chunks of paper in as needed (depending upon capacity of shredder).

      To burn it you either need to play very fast & loose with fire safety laws (burn it in your waste bucket?...Going to set off the fire alarm!) or haul stuff off-site or perhaps to the basement and toss it in a furnace.

    25. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by spyderbyte23 · · Score: 1
      A few years ago I saw a news report where several teams of Iranian women had spent years pieceing the slices back together, and had actually managed to rebuild quite a few documents.
      I talked about that incident once with my father, who worked for years in US Army offices dealing in sensitive information -- sometimes sensitive of the "I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you" variety.

      In any case, as a result of some documents being pieced together after the Iranian embassy incident, the government -- well, the intelligence community anyway -- changed it's standards on shredders. The output of shredders is now about the thickness of coarse thread. And then all *that* gets bagged and burned at the end of the day anyway.

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    26. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I was in the military I worked with a REAL shredder. It was the size of a VW and used a series of rotating blades to grind the paper through a metal screen. We would dump entire grocery bags full of documents into it. It would grind for a few minutes and reduce the papers to a fine toner-like dust. We called it "The Disintegrator"

      I dropped a stapler into it once. It made a tremendous racket and eventually jammed the blade assembly. We took the thing apart and cleared the jam. About half the stapler was gone. It had been shredded.

      A few weeks later the drive assembly of the thing exploded when a big steel pulley the size of a car tire came apart and bounced around the room. Remarkably, no one was hit by any of the debris, though the largest part of the pulley did nock a mellon sized hole in the concrete wall. We called maintenance and they has The Disintegrator fixed in a few hours. We hung a picture over the hole in the wall and didn't bother mentioning the incident to the day shift. I doubt there was a connection with the whole stapler thing.

    27. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by bluGill · · Score: 2

      They normally shred stuff before taking it to a fire.

      When you burn one sheet of paper, the fire doesn't get hot enough to destroy anything. The paper gets fragile, but if you are careful you can remove the blackened paper from the fire and read it! (I'm not good enough to remove the paper, but I have read text on papers after it was burned.

      Shreding not only solves the problem of someone stealing the paper on the way to the fire, but shreded paper burns better than normal.

    28. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by Bocere · · Score: 0

      "At night? Without Power? Under a new Moon?" I'd say it's a lot easier to read paper without power than it is anything digital.

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    29. Re:The next generation portable, PAPER! by smyle · · Score: 1
      Further there are the problems of joint-editing...

      I didn't realize people were using anything except paper for joints now.

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  10. drafts by dirk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Draft copies are the biggest reason there will never be a paperless office. If you have a 15 page draft and distribute it to 20 people for comments, trying to organize and incorporate the comments is damn near impossible. Never mind the act of these people commenting is already 3 times harder than it would be if you just gave out hard copy. My boss decided to try "paperless drafts" for documents we were reviewing and it was an abysmal failure. If the IT department thinks it's clunky and convoluted, then everyone else won't think about it at all.

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    1. Re:drafts by RulesLawyer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Disclaimer: I work for a large paper company, but I don't purport to speak for them.

      My job here is to create paper and electronic forms for our internal use. It's well known in the industry that whenever you add printers or computers to an office, cut sheet paper usage increases. In the US, there's been a decline in roll-stock paper usage over the last 10 years, but cut sheet paper (the kind you buy 500 per ream and stick in your printer) has been nothing but growth.

      As much as I'd like to make all of our forms electronic, it doesn't make sense to. It's easier for the guys driving the logging trucks and forklifts to have paper checklists, it's sensible to buy large quantities of pads of paper (instead of having the users order them 10 at a time, which they WILL do if we don't), and it's a real pain to have to open up an electronic version of the "while you were out" slip compared to the ease of using a paper version.

      Add name tags, envelopes, certificates, and calendars to the mix, and it's pretty obvious that paper's here to stay for a long, long, long time.

    2. Re:drafts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and it's a real pain to have to open up an electronic version of the "while you were out" slip compared to the ease of using a paper version.

      Ctrl-m does it for me -- it opens a new compose mail window. I don't know what convoluted software you use.

    3. Re:drafts by donutello · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hate to talk about Microsoft products - especially on Slashdot...

      However, where I work we use Sharepoint Portal Server. I upload documents to the website. Reviewers add comments, can see comments other people have added and can even chip in or reply to any of those comments. I review the comments, update the document (and reupload still keeping all the comments), close comments, etc.

      Works great for me. I'd like to see paper do that.

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    4. Re:drafts by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      As someone who works for a large consumer of roll paper, a label printing company, I'd say there are some other reasons.

      A major consumption of paper is labelling, like food cans and the like. There is a move toward different kinds of labelling, labelling printed directly on shrink plastic, or directly on the bottle.

      Pressure sensitive labelling seems more popular than ever, I don't know if these are in your roll paper stats or not, as they come in rolls, but it's not just rolls of paper, they come rolled already on their backing with adhesive and all.

      So, as long as your stats were office use only, then they are probably relevant, if they include industrial consumers of roll paper, then maybe not.

      Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer, and all of the above is publicly available facts or opinions of my own.

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    5. Re:drafts by CanadaDave · · Score: 1
      I don't get what you are saying...Why would you distribute the 15-page draft to 30 people all at once? whether is was paperless or not.

      Documents should be distributed through the 20 people serially, not in parallel. If a document needs to be sent out to a whole bunch of people on a short deadline, then the people probably won't be reading it for very long anyways. And what's wrong with using "comments" features in your favourite Word Processor? These are super easy to integrate changes in your original document.

    6. Re:drafts by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      Draft copies are the biggest reason there will never be a paperless office. If you have a 15 page draft and distribute it to 20 people for comments, trying to organize and incorporate the comments is damn near impossible.
      Not if you use NNTP. What you describe is being done zillions of times daily on USENET...
    7. Re:drafts by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I think he is talking about much larger rolls Like those used in newspaper printing. They are about 6' 2 m in diameter.

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    8. Re:drafts by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what "6'2 m" is.... If you mean 6 feet or two meters...

      The ones we use are about that big. They go onto a big sheeter that cuts them into sheets that the press uses. You move them around with a forklift with a special attachment that looks like huge calipers.

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      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    9. Re:drafts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's talking about draft copies of written documents.

      Not Porno flicks, jpegs, and stolen music.

    10. Re:drafts by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      Ever worked with professional proofers? You can't do precise, formal proofing corrections in any electronic package at the speed and efficiency of a professional proofer with a red pen and a printout.

    11. Re:drafts by TheLibra · · Score: 1

      "If the IT department thinks it's clunky and convoluted, then everyone else won't think about it at all."

      Oh, I wouldn't be too certain on that. I'm in the IT department in our office and despite the fact that MS Word is about a million times better than Corel Word Perfect, people still insist on using it. Forget that Corel's tech support only knows how to say "Reinstall it". That their web based support is a joke (their search engine can't find even simple searches like "word" and "corel", and there is no support tree). That Word Perfect version 9 took 4 freakin' service packs before it was even partially functional for a real office, (and the 4th one you have to -buy- from the company), that the WP9US.WPT file corrupts itself on a bloody whim, and renaming it (unlike the normal.dot file) rarely fixes the problem, and that it follows almost no standard interfact conventions...

      It's a real piece of dung software... clunky, convoluted, and as much as I hate to give Microsoft more beans than they already have, Word is a far superior office program... yet the legal department is hellbent on using Corel Word Perfect, despite the fact we in the IT department have told them that there is almost no support for Word Perfect, that it's inferior... despite having CrossWords even, to convert the documents.

      ...why doesn't anyone listen to the IT department?

      The Libra
      "...that's what life is, a series of down-endings."

  11. Windows Desktop by cheetham · · Score: 1

    I bet I could simulate on my actual desk using bits of people and a complex arrangement of folded paper for the Start button.... Would probably be more stable. :)

    Anyway, since I got my first printer, I've wasted far more paper than I ever did before having one...

    1. Re:Windows Desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " using bits of people " ? eww

    2. Re:Windows Desktop by cheetham · · Score: 1

      > " using bits of people " ? eww
      I meant paper ;-)

      I don't know what I was thinking of at the time... hmm....

    3. Re:Windows Desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah..but just try playing quake on that desktop...lots of papers to move around and boom bang crash smoosh sounds to make.

  12. egocentric attitude by WildBeast · · Score: 0, Troll

    Oooh reading from a computer screen is a little unconfortable. No problem let's keep cutting down those trees.

    1. Re:egocentric attitude by Steveftoth · · Score: 1

      But paper has more usages then reading. Which is why paper is much, much better then a computer is today. What's easier, having 2 people work on one piece of paper, or 2 people work on 1 computer?

    2. Re:egocentric attitude by 3141 · · Score: 1

      In the forests of the UK, two trees are planted for every one that is felled. European stocks of unharvested trees in the forest are growing at a rate of 252 million cubic metres
      a year.

      Egocentric? Only if making a better enviroment for yourself is egocentric.

    3. Re:egocentric attitude by qubit64 · · Score: 1

      I like reading on LCD monitors a lot more than on CRT monitors. I find them much easier on the eyes. Although, a good CRT set at a high refresh rate is pretty good too. I'm amazed that some people can sit in front of a 15 inch monitor with a 60Hz refresh for significant periods of time. It would drive me nuts.

      --
      "Save me jebus!" - Homer Simpson (btw, I'm probably talkin out of me arse)
    4. Re:egocentric attitude by JesseL · · Score: 2

      That really depends on where the people are.

      --
      "Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!"
    5. Re:egocentric attitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh boy, a knee-jerk tree-hugger.
      Let's build more monitors that use heavy metals and deadly chemicals in the manufacture of the tubes or LCDs, messy chemicals in the PCBs (not to mention el-cheapo factories in China that just dump all the used juices in the Yangtze), and use tons of barely recycled plastics.
      Then chuck the monitor every two years because all the software crap takes up more and more screen space.

      Let's build tons of useless gadgets, like face recognizing cell-phones and Palm Pilots and pagers and stupid case mods!!!

      Suddenly paper, with its cleaner fabrication and well established recycling procedures (when's the last time you saw a big green bin for recycling computers at an office?) doesn't look so bad.

      Now go hold hands and sing folk songs in a VW camper or whatever.

    6. Re:egocentric attitude by Macrobat · · Score: 1
      In the forests of the UK, two trees are planted for every one that is felled

      I followed those links, and I'm skeptical. Do they think that two skinny saplings are really going to replace, for example, a six-foot (~1.8M) diameter, fifty-foot high oak? And I'm suspicious of that 252 million cubic metre figure--did they estimate what the actual fluid displacement per tree was, or did they just include all the airy space encompassed by the limb spans?

      Lastly, although I don't doubt that younger, growing trees cycle CO2 more, it's important for an ecosystem to have representation for all cycles in a tree's lifespan--many species of birds and other animals only nest at certain heights, and to assume that they'll all find homes in lower canopies strikes me as a little naive.

      All in all, it seems like those links were for some disingenuous corporate apologists. I'd take what they have to say with a grain or two of salt if I were you.

      --
      "Hardly used" will not fetch you a better price for your brain.
    7. Re:egocentric attitude by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      6' in diameter fifty foot high oaks are not used for paper. Fast growing 10-20 year old trees like poplars are. They are grown on farms until their growth slows harvested and replanted. Reducing paper consomption to 0 would not save any old growth trees. They are all used for construction, furniture, and other lumber purposes. Its just that there is a lot less support for slowing construction or buying non wood furniture than there is for paper recycling.
      Also, most of the CO2 cycle takes place in the worlds oceans, not forests. Don't get me wrong forests are important, but most of the imporatance comes from recrational and ecological uses, like the bird example you mentioned.

      --
      Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
  13. Woah!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I first glanced at the headline I thought it said "The Myth of the Penisless Orifice".

    1. Re:Woah!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Impossible. As you well know, homosexuals control a large portion of Hollywood and businesses. Wether they start out as gays, or just after so much sucking and taking it in the rear they become gay, the penis gobblers rule.

      Putting the pickle in the wrong jar apparently is related to success.

  14. here is an idea tossed to the community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has anyone thought of having layers in a Word processing document (much like having layers in the gimp?). The background for the text and other layers for comments linked to some text (by drawing a circle or highlighting the section you wish to comment on)?

  15. paper will never go away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When I'm at my desk, I prefer electronic copies by far. I abhor killing trees needlessly. I also like that I can reproduce and transmit information instantly.

    However - paper is the lowest common denominator. All it takes is a pair of eyes and a marking device to use it. When I need reliable backups, they get printed and stored in a fire safe. Sure CDROMS and tape last a long time, and I can mirror disks - but the .paper format can be read by anyone anytime, provided they know the language, sans a particular out dated electronic drive or reader. I also don't need power to read paper, just light.

    Sure, eventually 99% of info will be contained in an electronic format, and rightly so, paper will be around forever.

    1. Re:paper will never go away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sir, are a moron thinking that killing trees is anything more than harvesting a renewable resource.

    2. Re:paper will never go away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa bud, I'm not a left wing tree hugger by any means.

      That said, I've noticed lately that (atleast in Northern Canada, we've been cutting down our forests, and not replacing the trees as quickly as we consume them (we export all over the world, espically the US).

      I would just like to see a sustainable harvest - paper reduction does that.

      Don't worry, I'm a gun toting redneck too. (I'm assuming you're a redneck by the childish name calling)

  16. My latest experience by e1en0r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My boss had me write, rewrite, change, edit and perfect an online project request system. After all that work I had to add a "Print Document" button to the bottom of every page. Not only did they want a fully functional advanced online system, they wanted the paper trail too. And not only that, but with everyone printing out each page, the paper trail is about 10 times as big as the one sheet handed around the office.

    They never gave me a clear reason for this. All I can think of is that the big bosses don't trust computers. But this is a web design company. Go figure.

  17. paper office? by laserweasel · · Score: 1

    The paperless office can't apply to some business models, sure.. but programming teams, tech support personnel, secretarial pools, etc can all easily stop killing off the rain forests with a little common sense. I couldn't believe how much paper we wasted on memos at my last "office" job, a dozen sheets a day with memos that just went to the garbage just as quickly as I could have hit the "delete" button in our e-mail client. "Did ya check out the memo on the DPS reports, Peter"?

    --
    ["Marge, I agree with you - in theory. In theory, communism works. In theory." - Homer]
    1. Re:paper office? by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ...can all easily stop killing off the rain forests with a little common sense.

      Where have you heard that rainforests are cleared for paper production? Paper is usually made from pulp harvested from tree farms, which IIRC use Southern Pine and other dime-a-dozen species. Rainforests are usually cleared for cattle ranching, construction, and exotic hardwoods.

      I've already seen several posters who rate electronic documents over paper documents because of the tree-saving factor; have they all forgotten that the pc uses electricity, which consumes all sorts of natural resources? I'm as much for saving the environment as the next guy is. Let's start by being factual: does anybody have a reliable comparison of Total Energy Cost of paper & electronic documents?

      --
      "What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
    2. Re:paper office? by laserweasel · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to a FAQ at http://www.paper.upm-kymmene.com, "4) How much energy is needed in the paper production? Depending on the grade 2-4 MWh of heat and power is needed to produce one tonne of paper. The power use of an one hour home-PC session is roughly the same as the power used for a copy of a Donald Duck cartoon magazine. 5) How much water is needed in paper production? The fresh water use of a paper mill is about 10-15 cubic meters per tonne of paper depending on the grade and the mill."

      --
      ["Marge, I agree with you - in theory. In theory, communism works. In theory." - Homer]
    3. Re:paper office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's TPS reports. Posting Anonymous because this is real life bad karma.

    4. Re:paper office? by aquarian · · Score: 2

      Southern pine is only a dime a dozen because crass, ignorant, self-serving rednecks are allowed to cut it all down without any regard to environmental impact. And if anyone questions or legislates, there's always a governemnt official with his palm out, ready to "take care" of the problem. In most of the South, there are few laws, and even fewer good 'ol boy officials willing to enforce them. If anyone doubts this, come have a look at the pile of 3 million-plus tires burning right now on the outskirts of Roanoke, after 30 years of illegal dumping.

    5. Re:paper office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey stupid:

      Southern pine is dime-a-dozen because it's cheap to plant and grows fast. It's not being used up. It..grows...back...fast....

      Those are your study words for today:

      It....grows....back....fast.

    6. Re:paper office? by Fjord · · Score: 1

      Actually, a lot of these tree farms are built where forests, including rain forests in places like Washington state (I lived there for 4 years) have been cut down.

      --
      -no broken link
    7. Re:paper office? by jstott · · Score: 2, Informative
      According to a FAQ at http://www.paper.upm-kymmene.com, "4) How much energy is needed in the paper production? Depending on the grade 2-4 MWh of heat and power is needed to produce one tonne of paper. The power use of an one hour home-PC session is roughly the same as the power used for a copy of a Donald Duck cartoon magazine. 5) How much water is needed in paper production? The fresh water use of a paper mill is about 10-15 cubic meters per tonne of paper depending on the grade and the mill."

      You're comparing a ton of paper (something like 50000 pages) to a one-hour PC session. Let's scale these down to be something similar. I can read about 50 pages/hour of moderately technical writing. 50000 pages/50 pph = 1000 hours to read all that paper. So that 2-4 MWh is really 2-4 KWh amortized over the reading time of the paper. Figure a 200 W power supply, and the paper is higher by only a factor of 10. AND that doesn't include the construction costs of the computer (you think paper uses a lot of water, you should try silicon computer chips).

      -JS

      --
      Vanity of vanities, all is vanity...
  18. What about collaboration software? by alen · · Score: 2

    MS offers collaboration with netmeeting. Multiple people can edit the same document at once. It's also built into Exchange Server 2000. Other compnies must be offering similar solutions. Why aren't IT shops looking into it?

    1. Re:What about collaboration software? by brunnock · · Score: 1

      When I was a sysadmin at Apple back in '92, we used a document collaboration product from On Technology (the name of the software escapes me). It was great! I would write procedure documents and anyone in the office could annotate the docs with questions or corrections. Unfortunately, it appears that On Tech no longer offers the product.

  19. Paperless PHB by gafferted · · Score: 5, Funny
    I used to have a boss who couldn't quite grasp the paperless office concept.

    When he got an email, he would print it out, then scan it, so that he could store the image in a document management system.

    1. Re:Paperless PHB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      that is fuckin hilarious. Thanks, you made my day!

    2. Re:Paperless PHB by brodiedreamyou.ca · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thats kinda like my mom, she heard that sending forwards can spread virii, so she prints out chain letters and snail mails them to people i'm serious

    3. Re:Paperless PHB by Logos · · Score: 1

      >I used to have a boss who couldn't quite grasp the paperless office concept.

      I did too. If he received an email he wanted us all to read, he would print it, give the printed copy to the department's administrative assistant, have her make copies, and distribute them to each of us.

      That happend 2 - 3 times a week -- until they finally fired him (not for this, but you get the idea). His job, why IT manager of course! :-)

      Another guy I worked for (boy I had some fun ones along the way) would do the same thing with web pages -- print them, and hand people the printed copies instead of sending a link.

      But the absolute best was the boss at my first computer-related job. He would make a copy of everything before he let anyone fax it -- so we would have a copy too!

      --
      We are agents of the free
    4. Re:Paperless PHB by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      I worked in an ENTIRE OFFICE like this, Everyone who had any kind of management job would print out every e-mail they recieved and keep it in a file cabinet, then the e-mail would get backed up on the network to tape where we could recover it instantly, that tape got duplicated and one copy taken off site. So there was pretty much no way in hell they were going to lose an e-mail. And they STILL wouldn't delete the e-mails out of their mailbox until the Mail server (exchange) almost died from lack of disk space. It was just crazy.... I can understand a little redundancy, but printing out 'Yeah, I can make that 2:30 meeting, see ya.' and filing it just seems like a huge waste of resources.

      Kintanon

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    5. Re:Paperless PHB by Snoopy77 · · Score: 1

      My experience is just as bad. ALL incoming emails are printed out and then once or twice a day they are manually distributed. Of course we've already read the email and most of the time the email ends up in the bin. This is from the 'office manager' who is trying to save money by having us print to a Xerox fax/printer/copier because it is something like 0.1 cents cheaper than the HP Laserjet we have. Needless to say we usually end up printing to the Laserjet since the Xerox goes down all the time.

      --
      "She's a West Texas girl, just like me" - G.W Bush Iraqis
    6. Re:Paperless PHB by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 2
      In the office I work in right now, some of the branches will type up a spreadsheet, print it, FAX it to have someone at corporate office re-type and re-format it.

      Both parties involved will both have email available to them.

      I feel like replacing their PC's with etch-a-sketch's and photocopiers. Hey! Monday is April Fool's!!

      --
      "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." Mark Twain
    7. Re:Paperless PHB by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      Reminds me of that ch1x0r we have here, at the office. She would need to trace (with Autocad!!!) a picture she finds on a web page. So she prints out the web page, then scans the paper, then imports the BMP into Autocad.

      Since I showed her how to save a webpage picture (right-click, save image as...), she practically worships me. Too bad she`s a dog.

    8. Re:Paperless PHB by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2

      Hey! Where I work, everybody does their timesheets on Excel, then e-mail them to the receptionist, who prints them, and keys them into a **HUGE** **MORONICALLY DONE** filemaker database. It is so much of a pain in the ass to maintain that soon, I`m gonna code a web-based PHP+SQL timesheet program on my own frigging` time.

  20. We just need better tools (Re:drafts) by fetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have to admit that sometimes I really want to sit down with a red pen and a paper draft. When I have to send my comments to somebody else electronically, however, I'd rather work on the computer than have to retype all my scribbled comments.

    There are tools for this, but they just aren't that commonly used. The best one I've found is the full version of adobe acrobat. You can print just about anything to a PDF, and then use Acrobat to draw on it (circle things, draw arrows, highlight, etc) and include comments on anything you draw. There is even an option to create a second document with all of your comments that makes a great checklist for the next revision. PDFs are also common enough that I can send these marked up documents to just about anybody and expect them to be able to see and read my comments.

    Again, I don't think we'll get to the paperless office in my lifetime, but we could get a lot closer using the tools that are available.

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    ** The opinions expressed here are my own, and do not reflect those of my employers - past, present, or future**
    1. Re:We just need better tools (Re:drafts) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think one of the versions of Lotus Word did this too. You could make overlays for pages and draw on them (or something like that). There could be multiple overlatys so that there could be multiple editors etc.

      Too bad it never really caught on.

  21. Idiots. Luddites. Same difference. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A paperless office will never happen, but not because it wouldn't be possible, or even better. I think up little things all the time, that I start doing electroncically, instead of scribbled on this note or that napkin, or whatever. But I'm one of the guys that makes computers work, that understands them. In corporate america, I'm 1 in 100, or even 1000. The rest are still stuck in the 15th century, and if you don't believe me, duck into the helpdesk call center. The sad thing is, by the time computers are smart enough to do the thinking for these retards, they'll also be able to do the job for them.

    But maybe I'm being too cynical. Maybe M$ makes it too hard for people, hell, if I had to run Word every time I wanted to scribble a note, I'd want to chop down a tree and felt some paper too. Would be easier. When I was a winslave, I remember numerous times, where I wanted a simple spreadsheet, just some columns with numbers, etc. And they only option was tabbing over in notepad(preferred) or opening Excel (to be avoided). Sc takes care of that stuff now.

    1. Re:Idiots. Luddites. Same difference. by pmz · · Score: 2

      When I want good electronic tools that get the job done quickly and effectively, I turn to /usr/bin/*. The irony in this is that the average program in /usr/bin was conceived in the early 1980s. Since then, there have been very few truly useful tools, such as the WWW browser, invented.

      I absolutely agree that M$ makes it too hard on people. It's unfortunate that many M$-indoctrinites view 'vi', for example, as a complex tool, when its simplicity is a godsend.

      I challenge anyone to prove that Visual Studio is truly more productive than sh+vi+make+cc+libs (here's a hint: it isn't). I challenge anyone to prove that Word is more productive than sh+vi+make+LaTeX+ispell (here's a hint: it isn't). And by productive, I mean producing something relatively quickly that, when you are done, is of such quality you would bet your reputation on it.

      M$ has introduced so much complexity into our computing lives that I don't know whether I can trust anything produced by Word or Visual Studio enough that I would bet my reputation on it. That uncertainty is simply disturbing.

    2. Re:Idiots. Luddites. Same difference. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I challenge anyone to prove that Visual Studio is truly more productive than sh+vi+make+cc+libs (here's a hint: it isn't)."

      Maybe for a small project but I call BS on this claim for anything else. For instance collaberating on a large project based on modules from the planning stage all the way to the actual coding. Hell you don't even have a CVS system in your coding toolbelt. Visual Studio has all that and I'm thankful for those features.

      "I challenge anyone to prove that Word is more productive than sh+vi+make+LaTeX+ispell (here's a hint: it isn't). And by productive, I mean producing something relatively quickly that, when you are done, is of such quality you would bet your reputation on it."

      I urge you to send your LaTeX doc as an .rtf or .doc file to any MS shop. Personally though being more productive with those tools for document processing is in almost everycase better. Then again I still like my WordPerfect 2000 suite for windows and am certain I can be more productive in it for what I do than your method.

      "M$ has introduced so much complexity into our computing lives that I don't know whether I can trust anything produced by Word or Visual Studio enough that I would bet my reputation on it. That uncertainty is simply disturbing. "

      Ultimately one must rember that it is a poor creator that blames his tools even if said tools are crappy. You are responsible for what you produce.

    3. Re:Idiots. Luddites. Same difference. by Bongo · · Score: 1

      A paperless office will never happen, but not because it wouldn't be possible, or even better. I think up little things all the time, that I start doing electroncically, instead of scribbled on this note or that napkin, or whatever. But I'm one of the guys that makes computers work, that understands them. In corporate america, I'm 1 in 100, or even 1000. The rest are still stuck in the 15th century, and if you don't believe me, duck into the helpdesk call center.

      So are you saying that you find you don't need paper for notes and stuff... you can scribble on your computer ok?

      The sad thing is, by the time computers are smart enough to do the thinking for these retards, they'll also be able to do the job for them.

      And that the people who feel they have to use paper for notes are just stuck in old ways... or don't know enough about computer tools to use them well?

      But maybe I'm being too cynical. Maybe M$ makes it too hard for people, hell, if I had to run Word every time I wanted to scribble a note, I'd want to chop down a tree and felt some paper too. Would be easier. When I was a winslave, I remember numerous times, where I wanted a simple spreadsheet, just some columns with numbers, etc. And they only option was tabbing over in notepad(preferred) or opening Excel (to be avoided). Sc takes care of that stuff now.

      Although, maybe if we had better software, even avarage people could use the computer for notes?

      So what do you think are some of the attributes of paper that software would have to either re-create or replace with alternative ways, that are missing from current popular software?

    4. Re:Idiots. Luddites. Same difference. by pmz · · Score: 1

      Maybe for a small project

      The UNIX tools are extremely appropriate small to medium projects and some large projects as well. For extremely large projects, then a whole new class of software, such as ClearCase, is needed, anyway, due to the sheer overhead of dealing with too many people.

      Hell you don't even have a CVS system in your coding toolbelt.

      Okay: sh+vi+make+cc+libs+CVS

      I urge you to send your LaTeX doc as an .rtf or .doc file to any MS shop

      I'll send it as HTML or PDF, instead. I'm sure there is an RTF translator, too, but I haven't used it. The DOC format is just inappropriate, in general.

      You are responsible for what you produce.

      Absolutely true. But I just cant bring myself to deliver work in unreliable file formats generated by software that probably won't be supported or even available five years from now.

    5. Re:Idiots. Luddites. Same difference. by Jim+Morash · · Score: 1

      re:your coding-boast: um, how about CVS? Debugging? project management?

      I recently installed a win2k dual boot on my linux machine. the only program I have installed under windows is visual studio. why? because it sucks less than any other option available at this time.

  22. Why I Like Paper by Wanker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Things I enjoy about paper:
    + It doesn't crash
    + It rarely loses data
    + 100% availability with proper care
    + Annotations are simple
    + Easy to take with you
    + Content doesn't change
    + Extremely quick access and intuitive interface
    + High resolution/easy on the eyes

    Things I don't enjoy about paper:
    + Indexing/searching is tedious
    + Backups can be difficult

    Right now, the list of pros/cons favors paper for me. PDAs are starting to reduce some of the cons (i.e. easy to take with you) but still suffer from most of the rest. About the only time a paper document becomes "unavailable" is when it gets lost. Can the same be said for your PC or PDA?

    The crisp black-on-white is easy to read. Some LCD panels have text that is pretty easy to read at low resolutions (i.e. 1024x768 at around 100 pixels per inch) but can't touch the level of detail of even a cheap laser printed page of 300 dots (pixels) per inch. Professional typesetting often gets up to 2400 dots per inch. Not even close. This often doesn't matter for text, but what about that detailed network diagram that gets turned to mud at 100dpi. (Don't even get me started on people who use lossy compression on such images...)

    Annotations are a given with paper-- just grab a pen and go to town. In the digital world, each and every software package needs to explicitly support annotations in order for this required ability to be present. So far as I know, no major PDF viewer allows one to take notes on it, so off to the printer it goes! (I realize that some PDF authoring software allows this kind of thing. The ones I have seen were masterpieces of overengineering and were correspondingly priced. What's wrong with a basic "notes in the margin" feature included at no cost?)

    Until the massive inconveniences of using digital media are resolved, paper will continue to play a dominant role in exchanging and storing information.

    1. Re:Why I Like Paper by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > Things I don't enjoy about paper:
      > + Backups can be difficult

      I thought that's what FAX machines did. Where have all my FAXen been going?

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    2. Re:Why I Like Paper by Wanker · · Score: 2
      I prefer the industrial hopper-fed copiers for my paper backups.

      Neither method is as easy as "cp bigdoc.pdf /mnt/floppy".

    3. Re:Why I Like Paper by jazman_777 · · Score: 1
      Things I enjoy about paper: + It doesn't crash + It rarely loses data + 100% availability with proper care

      I have a friend who printed out his Outlook Contact book and has the stack of paper stuffed in his freezer in the garage, just in case there's some disaster (I guess it doesn't change much). I told him to copy the file to a zip disk and put the disk in his desk at work, a bit easier I think.

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    4. Re: Why I Like Paper by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2


      > Annotations are a given with paper-- just grab a pen and go to town. In the digital world, each and every software package needs to explicitly support annotations in order for this required ability to be present. So far as I know, no major PDF viewer allows one to take notes on it, so off to the printer it goes!

      You know, I was thinking about this very thing Monday evening, after downloading a 200-page document and trying to balance the need of marking it up vs the need of saving 100 sheets of paper.

      We of the OS community who disapprove of MS Word as the near-universal medium of exchange should come up with our own document format, and show that the OS community is genuinely innovative by addressing issues such as this. It should be straightforward to represent documents as a "fixed" base document plus a "malleable" user-markup overlay. It would really be nice to be able to download some daunting documentation and mark it up with underlines, highlighting, margin notes, "yellow stickie" bookmarks, and the like, and have a reader app that let you do the markups as you go, but to always maintain the distinction between the original and the markups.

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    5. Re: Why I Like Paper by Aus-Rust · · Score: 1

      start with a basic word processor and then enable it to have plug - ins so to avoid the bloatware factor
      that way you could have a program that would do what you wanted by loading in the appropriate plug-ins
      dont need arrows and circles , leave it on the cd
      need graphics handling , plug it in
      just an idea

      there was no way , zen there was

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    6. Re:Why I Like Paper by dgroskind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Things I enjoy about paper:
      + It doesn't crash

      It does burn. Easily.

      + It rarely loses data

      Except when it gets lost itself.

      + 100% availability with proper care

      Proper care?

      + Annotations are simple

      But frequently illegible.

      + Easy to take with you

      But not in large quantities.

      + Content doesn't change

      What about those annotations?

      + Extremely quick access

      If you're in the same room with it.

      and intuitive interface

      except in matters of layout and typography.

      + High resolution/easy on the eyes

      Unless you're looking at a 10th generation photocopy.

      People are so used to putting up with the weaknesses of paper documents that they think they're strengths.

    7. Re:Why I Like Paper by BitterOak · · Score: 1
      Things I don't enjoy about paper: + Indexing/searching is tedious + Backups can be difficult

      You forgot the biggest disadvantage: no capability for rights management. With a paper book, what's to stop someone from buying a book at a bookstore, reading it, then lending it to a friend to read, thus stealing revenue from the publisher? This kind of crime is more common than you'd think even among children!

      How can this be stopped? Write your Congressman and Senator and ask them to sponsor a bill to outlaw paper.

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    8. Re:Why I Like Paper by ebyrob · · Score: 2
      Until the massive inconveniences of using digital media are resolved, paper will continue to play a dominant role in exchanging and storing information.

      I tend to doubt this will ever happen. Those who provide software for money seem to be hell bent on splitting markets wherever possible to gain a financial edge. Companies like this tend to succeed and earn markets because of the rich ability of software to earn money without "doing anything useful".

      Funny thing is, I totally disagree with your reasoning on paper vs digital content. I used to take a lot of notes on post it's and whatever I could find. Then I had to go back and find some of what I'd been working on 3 months later. Ever since, I've been trying to keep as much of my notes in text files as possible, keeping them in an organized directory structure with other things related to them. I still use a binder for notes(one 120 pager per month or so), but I find it becoming more and more a "scratch" area, and less anything I'd want to worry about permanently.

      Currently the worst thing about my text notes is that when my manager prints them out, he tends to get screwed up newlines because windows notepad sucks so bad. Course, he can't read my chicken scratch either.

    9. Re:Why I Like Paper by NecrosisLabs · · Score: 1

      I guess I see way too much paper to be so enthusiastic. I'm the geek for the printing/scanning department, and we handle about 5-6 MPages out, 2.3 MPages in a year. When we went to an imaging system for incoming paper, we saved $70,000 by removing plans for reinforced floors for the short term storage area of our new building.

      Every time I hear the phrase "paperless office" I have to laugh.

    10. Re:Why I Like Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      + It doesn't crash
      + It rarely loses data
      + 100% availability with proper care
      Ever accidently soak all your paper with water, other chemicals, or burn them? At least things stored on CDROM are ok when they get wet and it is easy to burn a second CDROM to be kept offsite in the event of a disaster.

      Additionally, we are looking to buy some books on forth, but those books are now out of print. Can you help us?

      + Annotations are simple
      It is hard to go back and find out where annotations are and to attribute all the annotations to the proper person. And change control means you have to have a dozen copies of the manuals, one for each version that has ever been made.

      + Easy to take with you
      I routinely carry 500 hundred magazines, the source code to thousands of programs and dozens of books in my coat pocket.

      + Content doesn't change
      The content changes all the time. Beleive me, I used to maintain the technical manuals for a flight at Spangdalem Air Base in Germany. What a nightmare.

      + Extremely quick access and intuitive interface
      Ever knock over a stack of papers that isn't in a binder? Or have a binder pop open and spill everything? Very bad.

      + High resolution/easy on the eyes
      My 17" LED monitor is very nice, I can read it in a dark room from 8 feet away. It's 1280x1024. LCD can also anti alias the edges by turning on additinal colors at the edges of the text and fooling the human eye into seeing a lot better resolution than is actuallly there.

      For big drawings, zoom out to look at the big view, zoom in to look at details.

    11. Re:Why I Like Paper by akc · · Score: 1
      Annotations are a given with paper-- just grab a pen and go to town. In the digital world, each and every software package needs to explicitly support annotations in order for this required ability to be present. So far as I know, no major PDF viewer allows one to take notes on it, so off to the printer it goes! (I realize that some PDF authoring software allows this kind of thing. The ones I have seen were masterpieces of overengineering and were correspondingly priced. What's wrong with a basic "notes in the margin" feature included at no cost?)

      If this is a required facility for every application it should be embedded within the desktop OS, not the application.

    12. Re:Why I Like Paper by iangoldby · · Score: 1

      Have you ever had a Zip disk die for no apparent reason?

      Imagine a partially corrupted zip disk and a partially corrupted paper record. From which one can you recover the uncorrupted information without specialist help?

    13. Re:Why I Like Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like paper because it crumples so well

      From the article: "It forms all sorts of ridges and points that act the way a truss does in a building. Someday, he says, crumpling paper could lead to better "crumple zones" in cars, to protect occupants in accidents."

    14. Re:Why I Like Paper by Dr.Diablo · · Score: 1
      + It doesn't crash
      It does burn. Easily.
      When is the last time you had to unplug your library because an electrical storm was headed you way? Do you check to make sure you are grounded before opening up your book and handling the pages therein? Last I checked, you didn't need to worry about being able to read the paper if you were in the middle of a black out (assuming a sunny day of course!).
      + It rarely loses data
      Except when it gets lost itself.
      Not unlike misplacing your PDA or pitching that unlabeled CDR into that drawer full of other unlabel CDR's?
      + 100% availability with proper care
      Proper care?
      You know, like not spilling liquids onto it or submerging it underwater (though the quality of the ink has more to do with that than anything). Fire is not good for paper, but I don't think pitching your PDA into the fireplace would do it much good either.
      + Annotations are simple
      But frequently illegible.
      I'll grant you the legibility factor - but paper supports any known written language - no font packs necessary! Not to mention equation support which is not the default of most computer systems.
      + Easy to take with you
      But not in large quantities.
      Like I want to haul a 1/2 lb. PDA just so I can have my grocery list?
      + Content doesn't change
      What about those annotations?
      But unless you scribble out the original text you have both available to you. All you have to do is hit "save" instead of "save as" and bye-bye previous version! (Yes I am aware of Word's nefarious ability to save every little change - and how it got some companies into trouble).
      + Extremely quick access
      If you're in the same room with it.
      Oh please, you keep your laptop on your person?
      +and intuitive interface
      except in matters of layout and typography.
      I person's ability for layout/typography on paper is limited by their artistic abilty. On the computer, it is not enough to be knowledgeable in layout/typography as you must understand how to use the application as well. In many cases, a person has to use 2-3+ programs just to get one page lain out correctly.
      + High resolution/easy on the eyes
      Unless you're looking at a 10th generation photocopy.
      Now that is a stretch - how often do you sit in front of an AT with its vibrant EGA graphics to view your documents?
      People are so used to putting up with the weaknesses of paper documents that they think they're strengths.
      And people who discard something that has served the human race for a millenia just because it is "old" and "out moded" is being foolish. As someone pointed out earlier, computers have many strengths - particulary when it comes to aggregating, sorting and propigating information. But we must keep in mind the limitations of these systems as well lest we throw out the baby with the bath water.

      The best hope we have of entering a paperless age has to be the eInk initiative which carries the strengths of both paper and computers. If/when electronic paper becomes a reality we will finally be able to realize the paperless office.

      The Doctor is Out... (Golfing on this fine spring day)
    15. Re:Why I Like Paper by dgroskind · · Score: 1

      And people who discard something that has served the human race for a millenia just because it is "old" and "out moded" is being foolish.

      No doubt people who chiseled in stone said the same thing about papyrus.

      Things I enjoy about stone tablets:
      + It doesn't crash
      + It rarely loses data
      + 100% availability with proper care
      + Annotations are simple
      + Content doesn't change
      + Extremely quick access and intuitive interface
      + High resolution/easy on the eyes

      As for portability, just throw it in the back of the cart and the ox will take it wherever you want.

  23. The reason I like printed matterial by sasha328 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) I can read it while standing in a train.
    2) I scribble over it and keep these notes for later reference.
    and most importantly,
    3) I can take it with me to the loo where I can read it at leisure.

    1. Re:The reason I like printed matterial by krokodil · · Score: 2

      > 1) I can read it while standing in a train.

      e-book

      > 2) I scribble over it and keep these notes for later
      > reference.

      good e-book (with pen and touch sensitive screen).

      > 3) I can take it with me to the loo where I can rea

      e-book

    2. Re:The reason I like printed matterial by JesseL · · Score: 2

      I actually do all those things with my PDA, and for me it's especially good for things like quick notes because they come out legible [mutters about written languages optimized for the right-handed], and I dont lose them.

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    3. Re:The reason I like printed matterial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't break when I drop it and cost $$$ to fix/replace.

    4. Re:The reason I like printed matterial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be such a klutz. I've had a PDA for five years now and have NEVER dropped it. I read e-books, jot notes, keep appointments, and even draw pictures/diagrams.

    5. Re:The reason I like printed matterial by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      I can take it with me to the loo where I can read it at leisure.
      And then, you can also recycle it...
    6. Re:The reason I like printed matterial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well lah de dah, aren't we the poncy one?

  24. The underlying falacy... by talks_to_birds · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...is that computers somehow would replace paper.

    This underlying falacy was coined (by whom - that would be interesting to research..) by two different sorts of people trying to do two very different things:

    1) one was a cost-analysis expert trying to rationalize an expensive investment in hardware and software

    and..

    2) at the other end of the spectrum, a polyanna futurist concocting a forecast of the brave new world we would soon be joining.

    The biggest problem -- and here I'd probably blame the popular media -- is that our culture bought into the idea and it became it's own self-replicating meme.

    The big problem is that the fundamental idea is a bunch of cr*p.

    At some point, I'm very, very sorry, but at some point we need hard copy.

    This will be true for some time, I would think, if not indefinitely...

    t_t_b

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    1. Re:The underlying falacy... by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Diction Nazi speaking:

      Indefinitely means for an undetermined amount of time, not forever. That's "infinitely".

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  25. dead tree format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    To me it seems like I can think about what I'm reading more easily if its in dead tree format. Its certainly easier to read code on paper for me (most of the descreet bits of code I have to read print out to between 5 and 50 pages. Longer things would be much more unwieldy.)
    If I'm working on a config file I'd rather have a book open beside me than try and flip back and forth between a README and an ssh window.

    Even just reading text seems easier to comprehend on paper than the same text on screen does.

  26. Sounds like something else by Telastyn · · Score: 2

    The 'freedom' of handwritten scribble, anywhere on the sheet, as compared to restricted rigidity of type...

    The 'freedom' of self-written hacks, anywhere on the machine/OS, as compared to the restricted rigidity of a system...

    I know that I use paper for tons of things, and would much rather type for tons of others. OSS and 'boxed' apps have their places...

  27. Collaborate? Use a Whiteboard... by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    Where I work, it's all done on whiteboards. We've even considered buying one of those doohickeys that captures Whiteboard drawings. Paper is not so important, but it is 2nd place with laptops being a distant 3rd.

    Where I work, in particular, we need a couple more ingredients in order to become close to paperless: Tablet PC's and roaming wireless capability. Tablet PC's are obvious, the stylus interface would lend itself much better than dragging a laptop to the meeting. Wireless roaming is a little harder to define, though. 802.11 will definitely do the job, but the biggest paper offenders also travel alot. If the tablet could wirelessly get on the internet from wherever the destination is, then I think I could convince some of the people here to adopt it instead of paper.

    I'm starting to see wider use of PDA's (mostly Palm Pilots) being used for keeping contact info, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of note taking on them. A couple of us around here drag our laptop to meetings to take notes. This is why I think the tablet idea might work. Despite the simplicity of a laptop, undocking it and setting it up at the meeting seems like such a hassle compared to bringing a notepad.

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  28. Three more words by MadCow42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Contrast: monitor contrast is WAY lower than paper, it's harder on the eyes than a sheet of paper is

    Glare: monitor glare makes things hard to see

    Portability: until you have a 2-ounce monitor that you can hold in your hand while reclining in your chair, paper's got you beat.

    I'm sure there's more. Personally, even beeing the computer-geek that I am, I MUST do the final editing of any document I produce with a paper printout. I don't know why, but it's just SO much easier.

    MadCow.

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    1. Re:Three more words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Portability: until you have a 2-ounce monitor that you can hold in your hand while reclining in your chair, paper's got you beat.

      You mean a Palm Pilot?

    2. Re:Three more words by MadCow42 · · Score: 2

      If you strap 8 of them together so you have a 8.5x11" color screen, sure. q:]

      MadCow.

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  29. How about the paperless home? by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe paper is good for collaboration, but not for archival. I don't collaborate at home, so I don't use paper.

    I hate paper enough that I am almost done scanning years worth of pay stubs, credit card statements, statements, time sheets, repairs, orders, taxes, ... 449 files right now. And it all fits on one CD. Why do I even need a monthly paper statement? Just send it in email please and I'll save the file on disk.

    1. Re:How about the paperless home? by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Right now that is good, but you are locking yourself into years of migration. You can't just box up those burned CDs and pull them out in 50 years.

      If the documents are really important, you will have to constantly migrate them to the format du jour, and also fight media age as long as we use media with fairly short lives. (CDR maybe 10 years if stored well)

      There are some advantages to paper, space isn't one of them, but longevity sure is.

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    2. Re:How about the paperless home? by kwalker · · Score: 1

      Actually, someone (I don't remember the manufacturer) makes CDRs that last 100 years (Something about the coating on the disc).

      The format isn't a problem if it's ASCII text or HTML or some other human-readable format. Some of us hate binary formats with a passion and will even bounce e-mail sent with an Office format.

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    3. Re:How about the paperless home? by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      d will even bounce e-mail sent with an Office format.

      Dirty GNU hippie! Just kidding, I do the same thing sometimes.

      Anyway, at work we have to deal with an EBCDIC system. ASCII may seem standard now, but who knows in 10 or 20 years. HTML is even more risky, but at least easily stripped back to ASCII.

      It's incredibly hard to look forward more than 5 years in anything computer related.

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    4. Re:How about the paperless home? by FTL · · Score: 2
      > Maybe paper is good for collaboration, but not for archival. I don't collaborate at home, so I don't use paper.

      I take it you aren't married. :-)

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    5. Re:How about the paperless home? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      It's not just the file format, it's also the actual drive mechanism. When was the last time you saw a 5 1/4 floppy drive? Or an 8"? Still have a working and installed drive for all those old tape backups you did 10 years ago? Are you "sure" you'll have a working CD drive in 50 years? (or 20, or 10) Will your beneficiaries know how to open and read those files? Paper is pretty universal.

  30. email by Caled · · Score: 1

    A few years ago, when we first got an email system at work, whenever my boss wanted to show me an email someone sent him he would PRINT IT OUT AND HAND IT TO ME instead of just forwarding it.

    He's learned since then, but sheesh. It annoyed the hell out of me.

  31. Paperless Transfer by stipe42 · · Score: 1

    The article assumes that the we cannot get rid of paper because of paper's advantages in reading and composition/designing. It ignores the advantages of paperless technology accrued during transfer and for reference purposes.

    I work for a company that produces intranets for franchise companies. They realize huge savings in printing and shipping costs by making their dozens of manuals and ad materials available through their intranets. If the sub-organizations want hard copies they can print them. That's the shipping savings. However, the savings in printing costs are not simply transfered to the end user, because the end user only prints a small fraction of these documents, because they are there for reference not cover to cover reading.

    Documents that are hand read by every end user do not lend themselves well to paperless technology. However, documents that must be made available for use but in actuality are only used occasionally and even then in a piecemeal fashion, can generate significant savings if distributed through paperless means rather than traditional routes.

    stipe42

  32. Had this posed to me in a job interview.... by Graemee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had this question asked to me in a job interview for an IS manager of a small city. I can only go by the look on the interviewer's faces, an obvious look to me of "that's not what we wanted to hear" and the following questions that my answer of "No, I believe computer only allow you to make more paper", that it's a good reason that the other finialist got the job. I still think I answered it correctly and have no regrets in doing so.

    Besides everything you need to know or do is on a post-it anyway. You just can't find where you stuck it.

    1. Re:Had this posed to me in a job interview.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, I believe computer only allow you to make more paper...

      Hate to break it to you bub, but it was probably your poor grasp of English that did you in. I bet you graduated high school with at least a 3.5 though. How is the burger biz?

    2. Re:Had this posed to me in a job interview.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW that is the MOST amzing bit of cryptography I have EVER seen. For somehow you translated his message of. 'computers make more paper' to 'please correct my grammar, and take pot shots at something you know nothing about.' I did not even see that buried in the text. What was the key to get that message?!

  33. The only thing I ever print anymore are maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and a lot of the time I just load the map in my web browser and keep my laptop open while I am driving around.

    I think that the reason we still don't have paperless offices is because we don't have any good colaborative software packages. It would be nice to be able to have an open file format that would allow version tracking and annotation of documents. Not to mention a layer on top of this that would allow you to manage all the documents by project.

  34. forcd use of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the real reason people dont like digital media is because it locks you into using a screen and keyboard instead of a more general interface like a pencil and paper. Personally I will sometimes jot down a quick sketch then markup with some notes and maybe write a few equations. Even with math you have to use some keyword instead of the natural traditional notation that isnt present on modern keyboards or worse yet the symbols are burried 3 levels deep in choice of menus. With a computer you have to define every character and it must be recognized explicitly as a valid character. THis forces you into a menu system of selecting characters so instead of translating the thought or word directly into the symbol from mind to hand. You are forced to go thru a couple more layers of abstraction of user interface instead of just writing the desired character.

  35. Hurrah for me! by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    why a messy desk is a sign of productivity

    WOHOO!
    My room is super productive!

    Hey, next time I have a slow day at work, I'll just make a mess to make sure my day was a productive one! :)

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  36. Resolution is not that big of deal by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    People can read text just fine at 12 pixels high. Nobody ever complains about the resolution of dot-matrix signs being too low.

    Pictures taken at 640 by 480 look just fine. Sure, they could withstand getting closer to them at higher DPI, but it suffices just fine. The point I'm making is that DPI has little to nothign to do with why people still use paper. The main reason it's still used in the office environment is that there isn't a technological alternative that has all the same requirements. Laptops are harder to set up than taking a notepad into a meeting, and PocketPC's are too small.

    I think Microsoft is doing the right thing by pursuing the Tablet PC market the way they are. They're trying to make the Tablet PC as good as paper. If you ever catch their marketing video on it, it portrays people drawing on their tablet with the stylus, highlighting/copying/pasting, etc. I think this is the first step. The second step would be to make it really light and connect wirelessly. The 3rd would be to make it dirt cheap. Get a few of these floating around your office and you'll see a dramatic reduction in paper usage.

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    1. Re:Resolution is not that big of deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wirte and edit a lot of documents in the course of my work. As far as I can remember, a 100 page hardcopy document has never crashed on me causing me to lose 15 minutes (or more) of work. Plus, I can carry my document with me wherever I choose without concern for battery life or compatibility problems.

      Hardcopy documents have a permanence and tangibility that you do not get with their electronic counterparts - when I go to a tradeshow, I'll read the literature I pick up, but seldom bother with wading through the handout CD's.

    2. Re:Resolution is not that big of deal by sphealey · · Score: 2
      People can read text just fine at 12 pixels high.
      Until you are 25 perhaps. Or if you are Chuck Yeager. For 99.99% of all human beings eyesight starts going downhill at 18 and that decline accelerates at 25.

      Of course, in the early days of PCs a lot of companies put eager young engineer on hardware selection projects, where they chose 14" monitors as standards. Works real well if you are 50 y.o. ...

      sPh

    3. Re:Resolution is not that big of deal by iangoldby · · Score: 1

      People can read text just fine at 12 pixels high.

      Until you are 25 perhaps.

      Doesn't it depend how big those pixels are? 12px text at 640x480 is just the same size as 24px text at 1280x960. More jagged, but to someone with poor eyesight, the jaggedness will be less obvious. I have a collegue who insists on running his 21" monitor at 800x600 so he can read the small text.

    4. Re:Resolution is not that big of deal by sgtsanity · · Score: 1

      Yes, but reading at a resolution less than printed documents is hard on your eyes over long periods of time.

    5. Re:Resolution is not that big of deal by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      I definitely agree it's easier on the eyes, but i read stuff alll day on my laptop. No biggie really. I just wish I had it in the tablet form factor.

      In any case, my argument wasn't that its not important at all, it's jus not as important for that particular discussion. :)

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  37. Paper is a great transient medium by Dialithis · · Score: 0

    The thing most posters here are glossing over is the major point of the article - that paper is being used in greater quantities, but not so much to keep things around. I can second this in my own experience - almost all the work I do is in a computer somewhere, but almost all of it has to get printed out to show to someone for comments or to present to a client.

    Little of the paper is actually useful after a few months, so I end up just sticking it all in a box with the date on it here and there and never looking at it again. If I need "that one document" it is almost always on the computer.

    There is, however, no way on earth to get good meetings done with just a computer. Paper is great for the short-term.

  38. Bunk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Although their conclusions are accurate, the end result is NOT that paperless office will fail forever. In my opinion that's what they're hinting at. Even today the current and up and coming workers are mostly from a world without computers. They will use paper the rest of their lives. It's like trying to unlearn how to walk. We will see actual change in ~15-20 years in my opinion.

  39. Don't like paper? by gila_monster · · Score: 3, Funny

    Try wiping your butt with a PDA. You'll experience new-found admiration for PAPER!

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  40. Paperless Office? by markh1967 · · Score: 1

    To quote someone famous (but I can't remember who) "We'll see a paperless toilet before we see a paperless office".

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  41. The biggest problem... by Trekologer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is the lack of interoperability between different programs on different systems. You don't need the latest version of MS Eyes 2002 to read a paper document. Despite all of the advances in user interfaces, computers are still hard to use.

    Not to mention that everyone is always more trusting of paper copies. It is usually very easy to discover if a paper copy has been altered.

    When you are able to talk to your computer in plain language, ie "Bring up the invoice from last month" you might be able to begin to eliminate paper. Don't get me wrong, computers are great for indexing and retreiving data. Getting the data into the computer is the hard part.

    1. Re:The biggest problem... by happyclam · · Score: 1
      When you are able to talk to your computer in plain language, ie "Bring up the invoice from last month"...

      I think you mean, "Where the hell did I put that damn thing?"

      When my computer can interpret THAT without saying, "What damn thing?" then we'll be closer to a paperless office.

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  42. Welcome to the Paperless Office by (outer-limits) · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who forgot to order more?

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    1. Re:Welcome to the Paperless Office by kcbrown · · Score: 2
      "Uh, the office supplies tracking database crashed and we didn't have a paper fallback"

      :-)

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  43. "The right tool for the job" by happyclam · · Score: 1

    It all comes down to "the right tool for the job." Or perhaps also, "the right tool for the skill set."

    For me, I am always looking for ways to eliminate paper, but I find it critical in three ways:

    • reloading from saved state
      When I walk into my office each morning, my brain instantly recognizes things I left out on my desk or my chair, prioritizing things by location, color, proximity to other things, etc. When I turn on my PC, I have to wade through the emails and documents to remember everything as I had left it last night.
    • analog virtual memory
      I can't remember everything, and I certainly can't remember where I put everything in my file system. My desk, and all the paper on it, is basically my brain's virtual memory; it's easier and faster to swap things in and out by jotting and scanning notes on paper.
    • retaining freedom and extending creativity
      When you type stuff into a document, you (I) have a tendency to think about formatting as well as the content. I waste time and enslave myself to the look of the thing, even if it's only notes for myself for later! Ridiculous. People generally don't do that (as much) with paper, so I think there is generally more of a creative flow when using paper.

    Again, much of this goes back to what job you're doing. I try to eliminate paper if I don't have to use it, but after all I am an analog creature in a physical world, and I relate to my surroundings in complex ways. My relationship with the computer is so much more simplified that it is not always right to refuse to use paper.

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    He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington."
  44. My boss is afraid of the paperless office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for a large-ish telecomm. provider in Colorado (we're an IXC) who shall remain nameless. Over the past year we have scrapped the idea (and practice) of completing our site preventative maintenance reports electronically. My coworkers and I think this is a ridiculous idea for a supposed "forward thinking" company.

    Usually, our monthly reports total only a few pages, but the quarterly and annual reports can go up to 8 pages.

    I have attrocious handwritng..I'll admit it. I also type a lot faster than I can print by hand. So now it takes me about 1.5 times longer to complete a total report. Also, I have to make a copy for the boss, using carbon paper(!), to take back to our main office...I was amazed to find out they still produce carbon paper :) When the boss receives our reports, we go over the results and address any problems we might have encountered at the site. This used to be a short and relatively painless process. Now it stretches out into an hour-long inquisition, because my boss can't read what I've written...when before, I had to correct the odd typo and resend it to him. Multiply this by four sites per tech. by six techs. My boss probably wastes 5X the amount of time he used to just going over PM reports.

    Also, when these reports were kept on our laptops, we could hunt down information quickly instead of having to get the hard copy from the boss (if he's even in his office) or, god forbid, drive back out to the site that's 2 hours away.

    This retro use of paper has been creeping into other things as well. We now fill out daily activity logs, by hand, and fax them to the boss at the end of the week...when a daily email would suffice.

    I don't know...this whole attitude seems to fly in the face of reason. Has anyone else out there gone from electronic back to paper?

  45. Trying to combine the best of both worlds... by bedessen · · Score: 1

    An example of research in user interfaces is Denim which aims to marry the advantages of old fashioned pen+paper design with the convenience of having the computer handle the details. The idea is to allow the designer to freely sketch with a tablet but also add hyperlinks between sketches as the design progresses. There's a sample of the generated mockup, but really the videos on the page linked above are really neat. They show a person using a tablet to do a sample design. The software also incorporates some other modern interface ideas such as the zoomable UI and the pie menu.

  46. Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility... by Etcetera · · Score: 3, Informative

    If I recall, one of the various user interface paradigms Apple was working on in the 80's-90's (circa Taligent and Pink) was an interface specifically called "Piles" based on some of this research.

    While that never saw the light of day, the lessons learned from that research made their way into the Standard Macintosh bibles of user interface design. To wit:

    "Users can make messes, Applications aren't allowed to." - Inside Macintosh VI


    This is, IMHO, one reason why the classic Mac OS interface was so amazing. You (the user) had complete freedom in organizing the documents on your computer however you wished. Spacially, color-based, or sorted. You could store your documents in whatever made sense to you, without the operating system declaring the Right Place for documents (ie, home directory, etc.. a la Windows and Unix).

    Some people's Macs made sense only to their user, which is just how it should be - considering that it's a PC .. a PERSONAL COMPUTER.

    Now with Apple moving to unix underpinnings which, thanks to the rigidness and inflexibility built into unix, don't allow for this type of "personal organization", it's difficult to find a system design that understands this.

    This is the NUMBER ONE problem "old-school" Mac OS users have with Mac OS X - being told that they have to organize things in a certain way (ie, "in your home directory") and the thing that people coming to Mac OS X from a standard unix background don't (can't) understand.

  47. Learning Curve by happyclam · · Score: 1

    One other thing that makes paper & pen so great is that the learning curve is basically nonexistent.

    It really is so easy a child could use it. My 2-year-old is doing at least as well with paper and Crayolas as some of my former bosses ever did with their computers.

    <seriously>No matter how good computer interfaces get, until they interact with us via speech, posture, gesture, and touch in the same way that we interact with each other, there will be a learning curve prior to adoption, and this will have a negative impact on adoption.</seriously>

    --
    He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington."
  48. When my company... by RobL3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    was in the throws of a paper reduction campaign, one of the poor MIS guys who sits beside me was tasked with determining which paper reports were no longer needed. He ran across a report that had been custom crafted for one of our CFO's 14 years ago. Even though this particular CFO retired 9 years ago, his report was still being printed. Here's the kicker, the report was an item by item sales summary for the company. No problem when we only stocked 8000 items in 50 stores. We've grown to 750 stores stocking 50,000 items, and the report had grown to +/-3000 pages. At least it was being recycled.....

  49. Re:Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility by Etcetera · · Score: 1


    I should add to this that the need to sit down at a computer and instantly know where everything is/should be is more a function of "mass management" than anything else.

    Standardization is good for the IT worker who has to "manage" 300 machines, but it's bad (because it doesn't promote individual - custom - work organization) for the person who actually uses the machine.

    Unix was designed around the "big server, small user" metaphor. Personal computers that didn't come out of IBM and MS were designed around the "single machine, single user" concept where the user is supposed to have FULL control of the machine.

    As another aside, I've known people whose (virtual) desktops were disaster areas, but they could find anything they needed WITHOUT using Sherlock or the Find command. Why? Because a) they put the documents there, and b) the documetns they didn't put there were easily identifiable and few in number.

    a) speaks to why forcing a user to pur their documents in "My Documents" or their home directory is a Bad Thing, and /usr/bin/, /sbin, /etc... is the bane of Unix, and
    b) speaks to why Windows, with it's 1000's of files in the c:\winnt\ directory named like license plates, is no better for the user. Try poking around in a Mac OS 9 Extensions folder for example. Everything is clearly labelled and self-evident in purpose, even in the heyday of the 7.5 System Folder bloat.

    The point of all this? I don't know.. I felt like ranting. But shouldn't the user be the master of the computer, and not the other way around?

  50. Somewhat Misleading by Tadrith · · Score: 1

    I'm currently in the process of developing an office management solution in-house for the company I work for. We've been in heavy development for a year, and let me tell you that while this doesn't make the office completely paperless, we've reduced a great deal of paper use around here.

    Aside from that, we've gained productivity from it. The process is much more streamlined for our technicians, as they no longer have to keep track of paper orders anymore. The only paper we ever have around is purely for backup purposes, in order to leave a paper trail; if we wanted to, we could completely cut the paper altogether.

    The last benefit is something upper management loves - that's the ability to instantly analyze all the company data, and spit it out into something they can use. The paperless office isn't a myth, it's just that most people don't know what they're dealing with. I know for us, it took a great deal of training and practice, but I would say that we're more efficient now than we ever were on paper.

  51. As long as there is Word by The+Cat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...there will never be a paperless office.

    "Can I print it out?" is the most oft-heard phrase in IT. Satellite images of the Pacific Northwest slowly fade from green to brown as the laser and inkjets churn out page after page after page of documents that nobody reads.

    The quote is and remains, "if it can't be described on a single 8.5x11 sheet of paper, it cannot be understood." I have an additional quote. "The only person who reads every page of a 50-page work of non-fiction is the person who wrote it."

    But the more fundamental problem is this: the current group of GUIs for computers are terribly inefficient when trying to keep up with a time-limited multiple-task environment like air traffic control. Note that ATC displays are monochrome text and dots, not 50 fps, 3D-enhanced, voxel-textured, next-generation, quad-GPU multimedia extravaganzas.

    Trying to get a lot of small items of information into multiple places with the current "desktop computers" is a task apparently best suited to an xterm. No mouse required, no navigating a little pointer all over the place, no looking for things, no browsing. Also, the GUI on Windows is a royal pain to use when trying to read from one application and type in another. Bah.

    Just some rambling thoughts.

    1. Re:As long as there is Word by Fjord · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm the exception tha tproves the rule but I do regularily read every page of such documents, highlighting as I go to make sure I'm paying attention.

      200+ though, forget it.

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    2. Re:As long as there is Word by moebius_4d · · Score: 1

      Hi Nate

  52. conspiracy theory by zoftie · · Score: 1

    this guy is heretic and is proposing conspiracy theory that computers are not useful. Truth is that most software is not useful, not computers. And until programmers themselves get to listen to people and people *really* listen to programmers/power users. Such tools can be made in a flash if there was an agreement to use a single tool/interface standard. Yes we can replace paper, given we have thousands of simple customized programs for user types and integrated archival search system. But that is not possible under current conditions, because of politics. Yes there will resistance on multitude of levels to use of new stuff. Web pads can be created using many readily available processors.

    Because of the reality of technology, it is new and radical - there will be new ways of using technology, many may not be used to it, like were not used to using telephone, but those hurdles will be overcome, and many people will user virtual offices.

    Most people are not interested in technology, they just want it to make things easier. But it won't, it will just put efficency on a new level. It will make us smarter, if we invest into learning basic blocks on computer technology. Change is hard, and is often met with fear and hostility on many levels. It will take some time to rid ourselves of paper.

  53. cvs by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    just use cvs for your docs

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  54. Snob alert! by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I'm one of the guys that makes computers work, that understands them. In corporate america, I'm 1 in 100, or even 1000. The rest are still stuck in the 15th century, and if you don't believe me, duck into the helpdesk call center. The sad thing is, by the time computers are smart enough to do the thinking for these retards, they'll also be able to do the job for them.

    You probably make a lot of computer decisions out there for others, and that you might have some skills that others in your office don't have, but the reality is that there are plenty of people out there that have zero time in their day looking out for their computers. That is your job. They are experts in their job.

    From your comments, let me take a stab at your personality...

    You're probably one of those assholes that make people feel stupid abut their taste in movies, operating systems, and religion. Please prove me wrong. Tell me when people look at you they don't see everything that is wrong with fat, smelly, elitist, dateless losers that run their computers. I'm going out on a limb here, but I bet the word 'tolerant' has never been used to describe you. Do you even have a social life? Or do people see you as an asshole because you project that on them?

    Here is an analogy for you... What if you had to fill out and do your own W-2 form every year from the company and messed it up? Would anyone go behind your back and call you an idiot for not being an expert in taxes? Tax records are complex and controlled by a select few people in the know, just like computers. DO THEY WALK AROUND LIKE THEY ARE GOD?

    Get over yourself.

    People have other problems in the world than to take your Think Geek T-Shirts seriously.

    1. Re:Snob alert! by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      You're probably one of those assholes that make people feel stupid abut their taste in movies, operating systems, and religion.

      Hey shutup! You are describing me too well! At least one side of me.

      I think in general, there are two types of geeks.

      The first type is the generalist. The true elite.

      They generally can learn anything we need to, they do their own taxes, they know all the relevant tax laws, and while they aren't an expert in anything but computers or electronics, I'd say they rarely on average pay people to do something they can learn themselves in a reasonable amount of time.

      They are the people that resent it when they have to pay for "professional installation" of a satellite or cable modem. They are generally do-it-yourselfers in nearly every possible area.

      They learn quickly, they adapt, and they don't generally depend on others when it isn't necessary.

      There are a lot of us that aren't like that, but would pretend to be. This is the type II geek, the specialist. They have the depth, but not the width. They may know how to program like crazy in their selected language, but they couldn't explain an IRQ or quickly figure out what the bandwidth of a 33Mhz/32bit bus is.

      These are the people that often comment that fiber optics are faster because light travels so much faster than electricity, or who worry about using magnetic screwdrivers on their motherboard. They may know a certain level or aspect of computers, but are not the generalist type.

      I think the latter type is more likely to take the elitist tack, but it can come out in the truely elite generalist too. It comes out in me sometimes too, but I try to fight it.

      Anyway, the point is, the attitude in the former is at least slightly justified, since that type, put in the position of the user, would learn the necessary things to use a computer effectively, even if it wasn't their job. The latter has no justification for the attitude.

      If everyone was a Type I, then we could realize the dream of a paperless office. I think that most people are specialists though, and don't have the skill or ability to be a generalist,. and still excel in their field. A lot of the resentment you see I think is generalists who aren't being very understanding of the limited abilities of specialists.

      I hope you don't get modded flamebait, your post was very insightful, and I think the insightful aspect far outweighs any possible flames.

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    2. Re:Snob alert! by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      No, my job is rather lowly, no decisions down where I am.

      I don't call people stupid for their taste in operating systems. I've used almost all of them (I like quite a few of them), and there is only one I despise. Movies, the same. Religion... well, they're kinda dumb, but if its not scientology or the Jim Jones cult, I generally leave them alone. I'm not fat, I don't smell, and my wife appreciates the fact that I'm dateless. I'm tolerant of many things. Stupidity isn't one of them.

      And if you didn't notice, I did not blame it all on the user. Who really could use M$ products? Hell, I'd want a paper and pencil too, if it were the only other choice.

      But read the article, man. My god, the little snippet about the waitress in a diner (I think in comparison to air traffic controllers). That it's a non-serious example is all the better... technology can do a hell of alot better than that broken pencil she's always losing, or the notepad she writes on it with. The obvious improvement, would be a PDA with 802.11, and a mini-menu that she just has to use the stylus to punch in, rather than scribble in some illegible shorthand.

      Think about it, before you attack me. How many 50 cent pads does she go through in a year? Enough to pay for the PDA? No? How about, that she still only has to enter it once, and yet they can have accurate inventory, or more accurate records? THat little diner may not know what it served on Sept 6th, 1983, but by god, every day forth, for the next 20 years, it could. Maybe they'll be able to predict all sorts of things, allowing them to only buy just enough stock, or know when to schedule vacations. All sorts of things that you can't know until you do it.

      And then there is the enviromental angle. Do you think they recycle the used notes? Or do they get buried in a landfill? How many people do we employ in paper factories, that could be doing other more important things?

      And then we have this schmuck, getting published, claiming paper has some magical property, that makes it perfect for human beings. I want to strangle him. If we arrange our papers so that it has some cool effect, then BY GOD WE CAN WRITE CODE THAT DOES THAT TOO. Companies that think they can buy off the shelf software, that's the problem. Hire some college weenies, and make it their job, to actually interact with the people that will be using the software. Sit them at a desk right next to them. Dock their salaries, every time they write code that isn't what people want or need. But me, I don't want to waste a large fraction of our economic output, producing a tool that is no longer necessary, and ruining the planet in the process.

    3. Re:Snob alert! by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Waitresses with PDAs? That's just silly.

      Now the truly modern approach would be a wall of ready entrees behind glass doors, where you insert coinage (or perhaps an electronic coinage) and retrieve your entree. Like a cafeteria, only better... less waiter-like intermediaries!

      Or instead of a wall of compartments, the food can be on a conveyor belt -- popular in Sushi restaurants, no?

      Of course, the more primitive Country Buffet has some powerful ideas as well -- self-service feeding! Sure, our grocer used to pick out our food for us too, and someone used to pump our gas, and someone still fetches our food... so inefficient.

      A more exotic system might use a push-button, juke-box style menu at each table, and the entree is delivered via vacuum ducts beneath the floor! Or maybe we can pack the whole entree in a single pill! Reconstituted it would be just as good as the original, but in its original form provide an easy-to-pack dinner or lunch. More federal research dollars for this long-overdue idea, please!

      Or wouldn't it be great to go to a restaurant where you picked your recipe and it was delivered in pretty little glass bowls all pre-measured and you cooked it yourself and the bowls were whisked away, just like on TV! Even better would be if, after placing the meal in the oven you could immediately remove it from another oven, using time-warping technology that apparently is prevalent in television studios across the world. I can be my own Julia Childs!

      Retro schmetro... ambience is for luddites. This is the kind of innovation I want to invest in!

    4. Re:Snob alert! by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

      my girlfriend is a waitress, and at her (local) restaurant they have gone more electronic. it was all paper, now they have machines keeping totals, while the servers still have to write down the orders and enter them into the computers. the owners just found out that maybe 5 waitresses were stealing hundreds. no wonder profits were down. Electonics are useful.

      on the other hand, i printed out a few documents so i could take them with me, wherever i go. sure they are online...but sometimes i'm not. until my pda has a better viewsceen and allows me to read and highlight easily, I'll be highlighting on hard copy...although i am almost "note"-less. Thank you Palm.

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    5. Re:Snob alert! by Carmody · · Score: 2

      If we arrange our papers so that it has some cool effect, then BY GOD WE CAN WRITE CODE THAT DOES THAT TOO

      You can only write code that changes the display on a video monitor. If I have my paper-arranging set up to maximize the surface area of my desk, and my walls (via post-its) and the floor under my desk, and the top of my filing cabinet; the only way you are going to "write code that does that too" is to replace every flat surface in my office with a CRT.

      And if you did that, then I wouldn't have any surface on which I can put a "bang cap" and whack it with my Swiss Army Knife when it is time to let off steam.

      The virtual desktop is nice, and I'm staring at it for maybe 5 hours a day, but it doesn't replace the surface area and versatility of a real desktop, no matter how clever the software.

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    6. Re:Snob alert! by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      CRT's ? Try LCD's. Big ones.

    7. Re:Snob alert! by rodentia · · Score: 2

      Now the truly modern approach would be a wall of ready entrees behind glass doors, where you insert coinage (or perhaps an electronic coinage) and retrieve your entree. Like a cafeteria, only better... less waiter-like intermediaries!

      You talking about an Automat. Common throughout cities in eastern US the middle the last century. The original disintermediation of food-service and the prototype for the helpless, ubiquitous fast-food joints of today.

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  55. No !%!#% License by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I finish reading a paper book, I can give it to my friend, and they can enjoy it.

  56. Look at what MS did right... by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    "We of the OS community who disapprove of MS Word as the near-universal medium of exchange should come up with our own document format..."

    If you're going to attempt this, let me give you a piece of advice: Don't let what MS did wrong be your guide. Look at what they did right.

    In a reply to Black Parrot's post, somebody started immediately with "don't support plugins so there'll be no bloat...". I appreciate the idea, but that's not the right way to start a new file format. What you need to do is make a list of what MS is doing right with the .DOC format, then add into it the ideas of what you'd do to improve it, and then design a format to include all these ideas.

    The reason the .DOC format is useful is that it does quite a bit of stuff. It supports all kinds of formatting, it encapsulates things like images, and it's openable on all MS platforms including PocketPC. I can send a .DOC file to just about anybody I know and they have SOME way of opening it, one way or another.

    Once you have those features in place and you know how it should look, only then do you start looking at some of the lessons that MS has learned. Here's an interesting question: why is it bloated? What is MS doing? Are they encrypting it? Are they adding a bunch of bits to it that might be activated later? Did they write a function called 'BloatFile($Filename)'?

    I think the main reason that Linux isn't gaining much ground as a desktop OS is because people are actively trying to fix problems that they think plague MS os's, but they're not looking at what MS did right! They quickly dismiss the idea that MS created software that people want and just assume that they make crap and stupid people buy it. Well, if you want to make Linux a better Operating System, then look at what MS did right. For example, out of the box, any Windows OS has TONS of drivers going back many years. Nearly all MS written apps have the same or nearly the same interface. Installation is a breeze. (Not having to create a swap partition is nice.) Doing something like 'change the color depth of my monitor' is as simple as clicking your mouse 3 or 4 times. If they'd develop Linux to be more like Windows in this respect, they'd get a lot farther in the desktop market than trying to fix only the flaws they percieve.

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  57. Paper User Interface by leighklotz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Paper User Interfaces for Paper Documents
    I've been working on a product for a few years that uses paper as a user interface , kind of a follow-on to the graphical user interface. I used to joke with friends that I was working on an 8.5x11 inch 400 dpi gray-scale display that costs 2.5 cents.

    Document Tokens -- making paper a first class citizen on the network
    You scan your documents, and they get stored in a document repository on the network (using WebDAV over HTTP or some other protocol), and it prints out a piece of paper that refers to the electronic document on the network, kind of a like a paper document or a paper URL. I named it a "Document Token". You drop it in your copier, for example, press the big green button, and it automatically recognizes it, retrieves the original, and prints it back. Or if you asked it to e-mail the scanned document instead, it will e-mail the document as an attachment or just a hyperlink.

    Cover Sheets as Forms
    Another thing you can do is print out a cover sheet with checkboxes on it and some document meta-data built in, so you can drop the cover sheet for your "Legal Contracts" on top of the latest contract you got, check the box for the account you're dealing with, and press the start button. It will scan, store based on the directions embedded in the paper, and associate the document meta-data with the paper.

    Situated Meta-Data Capture
    One of the most expensive things about scanning is associating the meta-data with the document after scanning. When you have the paper in hand, you know what the document is and where it came from. The file folder or desktop location is right there in front of you, and the physical presence of the document triggers certain kinds of memory as well. In ethnographic terms, the document is what Lucy Suchman calls situated When you try to add meta-data to a document after scanning, you (or worse, someone hired to look at it for you) is staring at a set of bits on a computer screen, completely divorced from its context, and it's expensive to discover where it came from and what it means. If you can associate this information with the paper document when it's in the paper domain, by marking it down on a paper user interface, then you save lots of time and money.

    W3C Standardization
    For the web to become a truly ubiquitous computing interface, it must move beyond the desktop. We're working with the W3C to standardize an XML representation of forms such that the same form purpose can be expressed in different media -- desktop, pda, mobile phone, and even paper. Take a look at the XForms last-call specification.

    Product
    The product is called FlowPort

  58. Electricity and Ergonomics by Vegan+Pagan · · Score: 2

    Major barriers to adoption of the paperless office are electricity and ergonomics.

    Reading info off a screen takes lots of electricity, even from a backlit LCD. What are some more efficient display technologies?

    Reading info off a screen is uncomfortable. We need electronic user interfaces that are just as comfortable and intuitive as paper. What in development is striving for that goal?

    1. Re:Electricity and Ergonomics by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 2

      "We need electronic user interfaces that are just as comfortable and intuitive as paper"

      So you are one of those people who go up to a computer monitor and go: "How the fuck do I use this then?"

      Paper is no more or less "intuitive" than an electronic screen. Maybe you feel that is is because you physically hold the paper, but all your "intuitive" responses to paper (screwing it up, writing on it, passing it to someone) are all learned.

      There will come a time in the not too distant future when the new youth (with giant thumbs) find it harder to deal with a sheet of paper than their email client. (They'll probably tap their finger on the top right of it when they've finished reading it).

      graspee

    2. Re:Electricity and Ergonomics by Etcetera · · Score: 1

      Maybe you feel that is is because you physically hold the paper, but all your "intuitive" responses to paper (screwing it up, writing on it, passing it to someone) are all learned.

      I would disagree with that... Man has been painting and marking on flat surfaces for tens of thousands of years. Even the dumbest of chimps will tend to make marks on paper if given a crayon, a blank sheet, and some free time.

      All primates will pass things from entity to entity. Hell, even my cats pass playthings to each other.

      At least some of this must be inate for homo sapiens at this point.
    3. Re:Electricity and Ergonomics by aiabx · · Score: 1

      The electricity argument is a good one, if you turn on your monitor when you want to read a document. My monitor is on throughout my workday, so there's no extra cost to reading documents on it.
      Since I've started working with a laptop I can carry back and forth from work to home, I rarely print anything out - paper documents have become far more hassle than they're worth.
      -aiabx

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    4. Re:Electricity and Ergonomics by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 1

      Perhaps one day, but current CRT and LCD displays are significantly inferior to the DPI of paper, and it strains the eyes after extended sessions of reading.

      And there are some things that just aern't suited to the transient nature of a computer screen, such as deep and long technical manuals. And some things don't fit into the "text editor" pragma, such as debugging complex code you have never seen before (it's always easier to print it out and use a red pen, sometimes refrencing the screen to look at multiple places, but I have never found a situation that the screen was easier than ink+paper).

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    5. Re:Electricity and Ergonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgetting trust. I've never kicked the switch on the surge protector under my desk and lost information that was stored on paper. However, I have done that and lost information that was stored on my computer within the last week. I simply don't quite beleive that information stored as tiny electrical charges will aways be there when I need it, whereas paper copy holds up fairly well, provided I can find it. My only problem with paper is that is suffers water damage, but that's nothing compared to the damage that water does to present day computers!

  59. Don't get me started...Oop, too late! by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting
    My immediate supervisor is a bigger slob than me, food all over the floor of his cube, you can see where he's been by the trail. He could care less how much paper I heap. The CIO, however, who seems to be out of his office 90% of the time (but miraculously appears the moment I surf over to Slashdot) is a neatness and efficiency nut, always pointing out how important it is to keep clutter (and thus work) to a minimum. I'm designing forms and doing some socket programming so my desk is entitled to be a mess. So there.


    On paperless offices, well, heck I was just discussing how well a client would work to view action forms by the helpdesk when another super said, they prefer them on paper. So be it. Paper it is.


    Several years ago I was up to my eyeballs in a project of charting trends every which way to Sunday, 800 different charts and 12 copies of each. Gad. I worked with a buddy and we modified the in-house terminal program to show graphs. It blew them away. No more mountains of paper, right? Well, the first question they had was, "how can we print this?" It still reduced paper, but the irony was ... well, ironic!

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    1. Re:Don't get me started...Oop, too late! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. A programmer who feel that he's "entitled". How rare. I'll bet you think the place would just go to hell without you, too.

  60. Why I'll never be paperless... by ari{Dal} · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use a lot of email and i read a lot of online texts... i'm a tech geek at heart. I love new technologies, gadgets, and gizmos as much as anyone.
    But there's a very good reason I'll never give up paper totally: Comfort.
    It's like the person who eats out at gourmet restaurants all the time, but can't resist a grilled cheese sandwich with canned tomato soup. It's comfort food for the mind.
    I love the smell of paper, the texture of it, and the way the printed word looks on it. Paper is a very tactile thing. It's there, you feel it. it's a part of your physical world. Words on a view screen will never compete with it, at least not for me.
    As an added bonus, I can read a book for 8 hours straight and not want to dig my eyes out with a spoon.

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    1. Re:Why I'll never be paperless... by FFFish · · Score: 2

      Damn straight. Paper is sexy. EBooks are sterile.

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    2. Re:Why I'll never be paperless... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you read an EBook in your lap, it will make you sterile.

  61. Stupid Stupid Article and Here Is Why: by JoeyThunders · · Score: 2, Interesting

    60%-80% of all a company's information are stored in documents.

    Paper documents have no automated way to enforce document retention standards (just ask Enron and Arthur Anderson)

    Paper documents have no way to search the documents to enter the data in the "corporate memory". Infinitely valuable information is never cataloged and reviewed

    The reason organizations don't manage this better is most document management syetems are very difficult and expensive to own.

    This article takes a reactionary stance to try to promote (another useless) management philosphy and sell a book.

    I want to write a book entitled "The Myth of the Management Book That's Not Full Of Crap".

    But no one would read it.

    1. Re:Stupid Stupid Article and Here Is Why: by iangoldby · · Score: 1

      You missed the point of the article.

      They said that paper is used as an intermediary. It represents thoughts that are not yet complete.

      It is only if paper's usefulness is in the information written directly on it that it must be stored. If its usefulness lies in the promotion of ongoing creative thinking, then, once that thinking is finished, the paper becomes superfluous.

      ('Creative' is used in a very wide sense here, e.g. including tracking and predicting the progress of aircraft.) They still advocate electronic storage for information that must be kept and will be referred to again in the future. I thought it was an excellent article.

  62. The problem is people, not technology. by bertok · · Score: 1

    A lot of articles here are advocating paper, but I belong to the opposite camp. I hate paper. I can't read my own handwriting half the time, and I can almost never read the shorthand of other people. (Do you have any idea how many people die in hospitals because nurses can't always read the Doctor's hastily scribbled notes properly?)

    A paperless office is not only possible, but easy. I worked at a desk for two years without a piece of paper in sight. Everyone else had piles of papers and books, most of which they never touched, but regularly spilled coffee onto. It's just a matter of learning new ways of doing old things. Need to take a note? Notepad. Need to collaborate with colleagues? Email. Need to work simultaneously on a file with others? CVS.

    At the place I work now, everything is stored in Exchange public folders. I can search through everything anybody has ever emailed or documented at this company in seconds.

  63. Anyone remember the CrossPad? by TechnoInfidel · · Score: 1
    If you're not familiar with the device, it consists of a rigid clipboard onto which you attach a ordinary notepad. You write on the pad with the accompanying pen, and the clipboard records your penstrokes for later upload. It has handwriting recognition, but my handwriting was a little too inconsistent to use that aspect of it.

    I find it tremendously useful for diagrams, meeting notes, documentation done in the "field", and so on. The main benefit I find is that I can file this kind of information along with the myriad e-mail messages, documents, spreadsheets, PDFs, and other such files that make up my life.

    Like many other people have stated, there's something about paper that you just can't replace digitally, at least not yet. I tend to file things electronically, but print them out when I need to "work" with them. The CrossPad helps to cross the digital/analogue streams.

    Unfortunately, I can't seem to find a trace of the CrossPad anywhere. Last time I looked I couldn't find it on the Cross site (the one I have I got through eBay). Seiko has a similar kind of device, which I believe uses the same technology that Cross licensed from IBM, but it transmits the images to your Palm-like device. I've never used one, but to me uploading directly to my PC is more useful than to my Palm.

  64. Moron Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck, man, get over yourself. Inexperienced morons have no place using computers, for the same reason they have no place operating heavy machinery. They'll just cause themselves, and possibly others, grief.

    It's assholes like you that think that despite their stupidity, they have a right to play with the same toys as everyone else, and that's a problem.

    You know why you don't have to fill out your own W-2? Because if every moron fills their own out, the system will break down that's why they have tax experts. And it's why people like you shouldn't be allowed near a computer until you've proven you have the capacity to use one properly.

    1. Re:Moron Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Step away from the glass room, and remove your white coat, dude.

      Make sure at all times your hands are showing.

      Now come with us. You need a lot of help.

  65. Paperless office isn't about paper by corporate+zombie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I work at a place that has gone a long way towards the paperless office. The paperless office isn't about replacing the GOOD paper like reports and documents. It's about replacing the BAD paper like vacation forms, transfer forms, etc. All that stuff that gets lost, folded, spindled, and then your HMO benefits or direct deposit doesn't get done correctly.

    A paperless office is a GOOD THING(tm) but more of a good thing isn't necessarily better.

    -CZ

  66. Military outlook by Chayce · · Score: 1

    Those of us serving know that the paperless office will never happen, everything has to be filled in triplicate. The pages go as follows:

    Copy 1: To the proper destination (If a requesition or time intensive document usualy the trash can)

    Copy 2: To be filed localy (Usualy just to prove that you sent it in the first place, but always dissapears when you need to prove it)

    Copy 3: To be filled in some large warehouse where everything gets filled. (Ever seen the last scene from raiders of the lost ark?)

    Imagine the problems if everything was filled on computers where any dissapearance could be pawned off on a computer error instead of mysterious act of God...

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  67. As my ex-boss used to say... by willconsult4food · · Score: 1
    "Paperless office? Damn, boy. We're closer to a paperless TOILET than we are to a paperless office!"

    -- my former manager, upon hearing that the PHB's had invested a lot of money in an untested and very awkward document and form automation system

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    Dull tools are useless. Sharp tools are dangerous. Never use the sharp end as the handle.
  68. Re:Windows Desktop-"Fuzzy" GUI. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So, too, with the information-technology wizards who have descended on the workplace in recent years. Instead of a real desktop, they have offered us the computer desktop, where cookie-cutter icons run in orderly rows across a soothing background,implicitly promising to bring order to the chaos of our offices."

    Maybe instead of the orderly GUI, maybe we should have the chaotic GUI. A virtual desktop as messy as the real one, and just as disorganized.

  69. Re:"The right tool for the job"-Dimensions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "'* reloading from saved state
    When I walk into my office each morning, my brain instantly recognizes things I left out on my desk or my chair, prioritizing things by location, color, proximity to other things, etc. When I turn on my PC, I have to wade through the emails and documents to remember everything as I had left it last night.
    "

    Maybe to preserve the spatial element. Future computers could project onto the retina a virtual picture of were everything is and the relashionship between them. Looking around your information would take on a new dimension.

  70. Military application by GMontag · · Score: 2

    If a paper map gets shot it still works.

    If you get shot paper can be used (in a pinch) as a field dressing.

    1. Re:Military application by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

      Mod up. This actually gets discussed a lot everytime some yahoo tries to replace a map or a field paper doc with an electronic widget. You forgot batteries, though. Paper don't need no stinkin' batteries.

      As for you e-book folks, well, I just disagree with you.

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  71. Re:Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Funny
    An intellectual snob is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overature and not think of The Lone Ranger.
    What if I think of Spike Jones???
  72. Re:Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility by owenc · · Score: 1

    I think what would be smart would be to hide the filesystem to the user, presenting them with the blank slate of your /home. That way, when you first install, you will have *no* files visible to you, only the ones that you've created, that way, the user will have supreme control over their work, instead of knowing that there is a hierarchy of files beyond their control... Eh?

  73. And one of the things people still seem to neglect by HaggiZ · · Score: 1

    is that ink and paper is far easier on the eyes than any LCD, and it's nothing to do with resolution of the two. Paper is, and always will be, far easier to read until we come up with some kind of organic material that can change and refresh it's perceived colour quickly.

    The reason the paper is easier to read it that the human eye/brain can interpret and accommodate reflected light (paper) much easier than it can direct light (crt/lcd). Thats why emails get printed, and you still buy a newspaper if you really wanna have a read as opposed to downloading it to your PDA to take to the bathroom ;)

    Maybe we will all just have mutations like the gameboy thumb to make us handle this better though :P~

  74. Agreed by Macrobat · · Score: 1

    I agree with you. I was mostly responding to the links provided by the previous poster, and, consequently, going off on a tangent.

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    1. Re:Agreed by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I understand completely, I hate reading the op/ed pieces in Business week. They aren't just pro free enterprise. While I am pretty conservative, they are always just looking for business subsidies. Even if I agree with their premise, it still makes me mad to read their begging, without any good reasons as to why its good for anyone else.

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  75. Malcolm Gladwell by the_Upsetter · · Score: 1

    Malcolm Gladwell is one of the most fascinating contemporary writers I can think of... His articles have more in common with (good) documentary film than with 96% of the filler churned out for periodicals.

    His articles in the New Yorker are worth the price of a subscription by themselves...

    They are also available online...

    He also wrote a wonderful book... "The Tipping Point" that offeres an epidemiological alternative to Dawkins' genetic/biological "memetics" ...

    Fascinating reads... every single article.

  76. My company uses Word... by mellonhead · · Score: 1


    With Track Changes and Comments enabled. Documents are sent out for everyone to do an initial review and make suggested changes and comments. These are sent to the project manager who incorporates them into one document. The group then gets together for a final review. This is typically done in a conference room with the document projected on a screen for everyone to look at. We debate comments and suggested changes and accept or delete edits. Sometimes an edit will be approved but one or more members of the group can suggest a better phrasing. This works very well for us.

  77. This is so backward by Erris · · Score: 2
    Draft copies are the biggest reason there will never be a paperless office. If you have a 15 page draft and distribute it to 20 people for comments, trying to organize and incorporate the comments is damn near impossible.

    So how is it that the average free software project integrates the work of hundreds of people from all around the globe who may never see each other? Mystery of mystery to the average Word user I'm sure.

    Crappy propriatory software is the problem not the solution. Know what happens when you pass out 20 coppies of a "document" at my office? You get a ream of garbage, that's what. Just try sorting through all of it by hand. Why not set up a freaking web page and send a link to ask for comments? Wow, you might even recieve them in the mail and talk to the folks that sent them if you don't understand. If you can't incorporate them into your work, your work is not well organized. Where I work, people have to print everything out because the viewing programs are not well designed. Of course, it's hard to look at a large drawing with M$'s single virtual screen! Hell, it's hard to even organize your work into piles without virtual screens and desktops. Bleh, the "server" to share work? Give me a break, it's been set up into individual home directories with no read permisions that can't be changed, but that's to be expected for an OS that does not have user, group, world file permisions built into the file system and kernel. The rest of the "share" space is chronically disorganized so that all sorts of duplicate junk clutters and clogs it up. Can it be worse? Yes, add Outlook and Access to it. Oultook XP can't handle text anymore and most people are flinging around word docs that they then print and walk a further distance to the printer than to the sender's desk.

    Fundamental design flaws made to protect an obsolete marketing model have led to all that, and it's given people a very false impression. My computers at home never crash, yet look at all the posts about how reliable paper is. Paper in my house is something the cat might eat. The computers, running debian and red hat are up 24/7. It's hard for people to imagine things beyond their crappy M$ desktop, and they are so oppressed by the thing at work they don't even want to look at one at home. Should we be supprised when people who look at the 10 lines of text they can read on a doc displayed by word go and print the thing out? Should we be supprised that people who feel like they have to print all of their mail consider email a pain? They think this because they have inadequate tools and don't know there is better stuff in the world.

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  78. Re:Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility by Error27 · · Score: 2
    >>I think what would be smart would be to hide the filesystem to the user, presenting them with the blank slate of your /home

    I agree with this.

    In UNIX there is a clear difference between applications and documents and this is a good thing. The user gets full control of where they put documents but the internal workings of where the applications are is hidden.

    Installing software is much easier because you don't have to worry about where to install things; you just click the packages you want and they are installed automatically.

    On the other hand, documents should be left entirely up to the user. I personally do not use the Evolution mail client because it messes up my /home/ directory with files that are not my documents and I don't know what they do. In my home directory, I know what every single file is and I know where every single file is, because I made myself and I saved it there myself.

    On a macintosh, I have a harder time because I need to know where files are stored on the harddrive to start them. I also get confused because there are many files that I don't know what they are or do.

  79. in the limit, you will be sad. by Erris · · Score: 2
    Now if only I could convince my girlfriend of the virtues of me having a messy house....

    The limit of girlfriend as age goes to thirty is wife or zero.

    When her belly swells, some things get pushed to the side and never come back. No, not those things! I mean dishes, laundry, what not. When it happens you will understand Elvis and "Shake rattle and roll." "Get in the kitchen and make some noise with your pots and pans!" he says. Good luck.

    Oh, on topic, people who don't have virtual screens and desktops on operating systems that don't crash and that can serve files with proper permisions, will never believe that an office can work without paper. So sad, too bad, what can you expect from the tiny mummies at the New Yorker? Is your first name Buster?

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  80. HT{M!}L by ka9dgx · · Score: 2
    The basic problem could be fixed by supporting MARKUP in HTML... computers currently don't do markup properly, because HTML isn't a true markup language... if we can fix this, we're home free.

    --Mike--

  81. half right today is all wrong tomorow. by Erris · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Resources squandered represent losses of labor and opertunity. Southern pine could be used to make houses instead of printing word docs that no one will ever read. While this may be good for the paper mill, it's hard to argue that society is better off that way rather than if those people were employed in contruction instead.

    The issue of power consumption is silly. People are never going to stop using PCs regardless of how much paper they waste. The PC will sit on their desk burning up electricity even if it's only used to print duplicates of email and view porn. PCs will consume less energy in the future and reprocessed nuclear fuel is a renuable resource much like southern pine.

    Finally, rain forests are not being cut for cattle farming and exotic hard wood. Most trees in Brazil are felled for slash and burn agriculture by "settelers", refugees from urban slums. The exotic hardwood is burnt with the rest because few countries will buy it. Cattle farming may move in after the land is exhausted (one year or so for the soil to errode to unusable clay.) but it's not a pimary cause.

    The world is what you make it. We can use our resources wisely and make more for each other, of we can let vendors of shoddy wares waste our resources and efforts. Surely, M$ is the primary reason people print all of their junk at work, and the paperless office uses more paper than ever before.

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  82. Paperless? Maybe, but certainly not paperfree. by audacity242 · · Score: 1

    Right now I'm working for a VA (Veteran's Administration) Medical Center, in a nursing unit. While they're moving to paperLESS, it's doubtful that they'll become paperFREE anytime soon.

    In some ways, it's quite impressive how they use computers -- doctors and nurse practitioners put all their orders into the computer. Now when a doctor writes a prescription, it immediately shows up on a large LCD screen (called a "Bingo Board," incidentally) in the pharmacy, as well as in the unit the patient is in. When a patient gets an x-ray, there's no need for someone to walk the hard copies of the x-rays to whomever wants to see them, rather, the x-ray can be pulled up on the computers.

    But there are other instances where paper will probably never be eliminated. The ward secretary will forever be scribbling notes when a person calls...Patients will still have to sign hard copies of their Advanced Directives.

    But the VA is doing a good job of integrating the two mediums. While a hard copy of the patient's Advanced Directive is kept in their chart, the pertinent info is kept in the computer part of their chart, which is accessible from both inside and outside our ward (which is mighty convienant for people working in the emergency room), unlike the hard copy which is kept at our nurse's station.

    -Jenn

  83. The eraser has been eliminated, not paper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is really hard to find around the office anymore is a good eraser. I was recently looking for one of those white erasers I used to have when I was an engineer and none were available. Instead of erasing something, just print out another copy! Even harder to find are the old electric powered erasers that draftsmen used to use. I still have one at my desk more as a conversation piece than anything else. When the pencil-sized eraser is gone, good luck finding another.

    Allen

  84. Might happen in 20 years by MrResistor · · Score: 2

    There is no way the paperless office will become a reality until those of us who have grown up with computers (i.e. under 30*) are the dominant force in business. The simple fact is that the vast majority people older than that aren't comfortable enough with computers to give up their precious paper.

    My first tech job was a serious wakeup call for me in this respect. I was the youngest tech on the floor, and one of the 10 (out of maybe 40 techs) who didn't print out my email to read it. These were people who lived and breathed tech! My night shift counterpart and I (the only techs under 30) achieved a paperless bay and reaped the troubleshooting benefits of a searchable bay log. People were blown away by how much easier things were, but they couldn't seem to pry themselves away from the little used composition books that every other test bay used.

    I could go on and on about my experiences there, but what it comes down to is that the age groups that are dominant in business today are firmly entrenched in paper, and the paperless office will never have a chance until they are replaced by people young enough to not understand the purpose of white-out.

    *That's the cutoff point according to my experience. If you are over 30 and comfortable functioning without paper, I applaud you. Please don't be offended.

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  85. Re:Windows Desktop-"Fuzzy" GUI. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, some of us do.

    It drives some people nuts to see the screen of my computer, because I keep most of my documents in the desktop folder.

    Why the hell would I stick them off somewhere and lose them?

  86. My Boss destroys a Rainforest every day. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1
    My boss could not live without her million sheets of paper. She prints EVERYTHING out. Everthing. Today I found about forty sheets in the printer that resides in my office, shared by both of us. I looked at it and it was a printout of a directory on my computer. In icon view. It makes me ill to see the waste, and I always hand the stack over with a "Here's your tree...". Geez. Copy and paste into text editor and print two sheets, fer chissakes.

    Printing any web site is a great way to get lots of scrap paper, too. How many times have I printed a paragraph and an image, and ended up with five sheets, marked with the url and nothing else!

    On the plus side, I have really cut back on the number of pages I print each day, since OS X doesn't support my localtalk Oki. :P

  87. inflexibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That "inflexibility" is born from the need to share information. Once you've more than a single person using a computer, things NEED to be left in a "standard" place for another person to find them. Unix has been multiuser from day one. MacOS and Windows are hacks of single user operating systems that have been kludged to support multiple users, but poorly (ok, this applies more to Windows than MacOS). You could do anything you wanted if you lived in a world all be yourself, but as soon as you want to collaborate with other people, some protocols and rules are required. As more and more people are added, more and more rules are necessary to keep order. Hence the current state of the world -- too damn many people, hence too damn many rules!

  88. the real meaning of paperless office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we will soon be a paperless society. at the rate that we are using up paper, soon there will be no more trees left to make paper.. i guess we will just have to start wiping our butts with spotted owls

  89. Published just in time to be proven wrong by yintercept · · Score: 2

    Paper seems to be gradually disappearing from my life. I think this book might be published just in time to be proven wrong. I taken note of paper consumption at various offices, and found the amount of paper consumed per person drops with age.

    Pre-baby and baby boomers had learned to judge their productivity as the amount of paper consumed. The main reason for the massive increase in paper usage in the computer age was that, for a very long time, most people associated productivity with pounds of paper. It will take actual generational changes for the attitude to change.

    The last engineering team I was on had produced only one half a filing cabinet of paper in a year, and never filled the recycle bucket.

    Paper consumption is probably a bell curve. Computers greatly enhanced our ability to produce paper. As older generations die out and new generations take over, we will probably see a gradual drop in per capita paper consumption.

    There is a very good chance that the 2001/2002 tech recession will be the cusp. The Wall Street Journal reported about a week ago that there has been a sharp drop in consumption in newsprint in the last year. Newspapers have had both a big drop in advertising and subscriptions. To cut costs, they have been finding ways to trim the size of the paper. Some are cutting the stock quote section...others have simply made the paper a quarter inch smaller.

    The big jump in postage prices this year (to $.37) is likely to cut into first class mail. It might provide the incentive to finally switch to electronic billings.

    This Slashdot article made a big deal about airlines. Again, I think it was the WSJ, reported this week about pilots finally getting laptops to replace their paperwork. The airline was citing major productivity increase that they hoped to acheive by finally going paperless.

    It will take several generations before attitudes shift to the point where a paperless office or society is possible. Personally, I think there is a very good chance that we have hit the maximum paper/person consumption.

    The pundits in The Myth of the Paperless Office had fun poking fun at the paperless office prophets of the past. But they may well have published at the top of the consumption curve, and have set themselves up for the next round of ridicule.

  90. One Essential Use of Paper by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 1

    Well, computers may have taken over most of the need for paper in the office, but one thing remains a bastion of the office of our fathers, and our father's fathers...

    I'm talking of course, about the Paper Aeroplane! Imagine trying to fold up your desktop or laptop to throw it across the room, you just can't get the crisp edges!

    Is there anything legal that is more satisfying than hurtling something with aerodynamics rivalling the most modern spaceship straight at somebody's head? Certainly not in an crowded office...

  91. MS Word Track Changes by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, I'm serious.

    I had my doubts too, but my current manager was adament about it; that's how we do review and markup of documents (I'm a tech writer; there's a LOT of that).

    Works perfectly. Click the little paragraph looking button, and everyone's changes are visible, in a different color. Hover the mouse over a change to see who made it. Right-click to accept or reject a change. Or use a Wizard thingie to search sequentially through the changes, accepting or rejecting each one. If it gets too messy to read with all those changes and strikeouts, just click the paragraph looking button again - changes hidden.

    It's a heck of a lot more productive than trying to make out chicken scratches on paper. Every proposed change is legible, and you can see who made it and when. We use Word comments to explain changes.

    My 2 cents.

  92. Paper will never replace computers by iangoldby · · Score: 1

    Paper will never replace computers until it supports the tag!

  93. You can't get rid of paper before... by blight · · Score: 1

    We well be using paper until wearable computers are commonplace. I mean wearable computers that track your body movements and get their input from that. Retinal scan displays are propably required too.

    Paper will go away once you've got something that's even more easy to use. Why bother finding pen and paper when you can pick up a virtual piece of paper wherever you are :)

  94. So you are some kind of gold standard? by Polaris · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Paper seems to be disappearing from your life, and you're young, so therefore the future holds less paper? Did you ever think that maybe you use less paper because you're in a job where that is possible (no collaboration, no building relationships with suppliers) and that therefore you are not relevant to the article, rather than the article being wrong? I know who I think has set himself up for a round of ridicule.

    1. Re:So you are some kind of gold standard? by yintercept · · Score: 2

      Well, I was actually referring to the articles in the Wall Street Journal that said Newspapers were dramatically cutting newsprint usage. The Myth of Paperless Office is using data from before the market correction. If I recall, they used paper consumption studies from 1999.

      They reported the results of a boom cycle. We are now in a cost cutting cycle. Paper producers (IP) have reported slowing sales in a slowing economy.

      Considering the major changes in the economy, it is likely that this book hit the market at the peak of the per capita paper consumption curve.

  95. ST:TNG is mostly paperless . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't seen any comments about this yet. Assuming that tech level, where computers are everywhere, and reliable (mostly), and most employees have a PDA (PADD), paper documents are rarely needed. Does this seem a likely eventuality?

    They did try to avoid Q's notice by "printing" the captain's orders to each station instead of using the intercom. Seems a bit silly: if someone can gain access to your data network, it wouldn't matter whether the data was audio or serial.

  96. Re:Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility by bastion_xx · · Score: 1

    This is the NUMBER ONE problem "old-school" Mac OS users have with Mac OS X - being told that they have to organize things in a certain way (ie, "in your home directory") and the thing that people coming to Mac OS X from a standard unix background don't (can't) understand.

    This is a tradeoff. With more people using the same computer (Mom, Dad, sis, bro, Uncle Chester), segregation of documents is a good thing (specially for ol' Uncle Chester).

    Having the OS put some basic structure in place is a good thing, as long as it can abstract and hide the technical cruft. Mac OS X does a good job at thing. The paper analogy might be that there's the freedom to put paper anywhere you want, but the stove and bathtub just ain't good places. The OS (Mom & Dad) beat that into you at an early age.

  97. Tagline comment by ab762 · · Score: 1

    The paperless office is no more comfortable than the paperless bathroom

    I read this a long time ago, and I think it's true. A google search for this phrase gets over 300 hits. Some attribute this to Steve Jobs, 1984.

  98. sign of productivity??? by robstercraws · · Score: 1

    My desk is messy and I've done nothing but goof off for months. ;-)

    A messy desk is only a sign of being too lazy to organize your crap.

  99. Computer = waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People look at me like I'm a fool when I tell them that; since computers and networks have invaded every aspect of our working lives, less and less has been done. Why? Because we spend all our time fucking around with WinBlows crap, Linux minutia, and network hickups.

    In the past, people could actually find files, they never got "lost" mysteriously. People talked to one another on proprietary devices called "phones" (no text at all!). People wrote things with paper and pen or typed them for that pro look. It all happened pretty cheaply, certainly not the millions it takes to run a small office today.

  100. I'm all for paperless by krashish · · Score: 0

    Can you copy, cut and paste with paper? OK, you know what I mean. . .

    Can it be given to numerous people all over the office building in a matter of seconds?

    Is it ever difficult to read Times New Roman or Arial? I.e. Can you read Joe's handwriting from that fax?

    Do you want to search through 1000 peices of paper for one phrase that mat take hours?

  101. I'll just believe we will get a paperless office.. by neves · · Score: 1

    ...when someone invents a paperless toilet.

  102. Interesting, a bean-counter dream by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    I'd mod you up if I had points, but alas. To further refine your point, I postulate that the cost-analysis expert understood the *productivity* gains associated with that expensive hardware and software, and was doing the right thing, but to get it past the bean counter, he had to sell it as reducing the cost of office supplies. Some things never change. :)

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  103. the only time in history... by eufaula · · Score: 1

    the only time in history when there was a completely paperless office was when we wrote everthing down on clay tablets.

  104. Re:Collaborate? Use a Whiteboard... by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 1

    I've got a Handspring Visor with a keyboard from Landware, and a little thought-organizing app called Bonzai, which does a nice job of putting data into a tree structure.

    It blows pen and pad away, unless I *really* need to sketch something. Otherwise, I can take the ensemble to a meeting and dynamically organize the management-spew into a pretty cohesive order. It also lets me enter items from my outline directly into my To Do list. Pretty handy.

    Meanwhile, our administrative assistant is wearing her fingers into nubs, trying to scribble down the minutes.

    GMFTatsujin

  105. the book is wrong about paper flight strips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    http://www.faa.gov/ATS/aglzob/URET.htm shows the electronic flight strip system some US air traffic controllers are moving to and controllers elsewhere throughout the world are doing likewise (albeit with different implementations than the one in that link).

    They key attributes that were keeping controllers on paper strips were not some magical synergy of communication they permitted but simply: 1) in the US at least, annotations by controllers on those strips were legally admissible in the event of accidents and 2) initial attempts to move away from paper strips tried to electronically duplicate the presentation format and data-update methods of the paper strips but those simply don't translate well to computers. In practice, the electronic flight strips are making the controllers more productive so I suspect the researchers mentioned in the book were interpreting their observations to fit their desired conclusions...

  106. Re:The next generation portable, TATTOO! by 4of12 · · Score: 2

    [Please don't hit me.]

    With tattoo you don't need,
    Batteries
    Network connection
    Power plug
    Monitor
    Keyboard or mouse (pen though)

    Tattoo is about the most reliable form of interoffice communication there is. You can take it with you anywhere, you can read it anytime you want. It's lightweight, and neatly folds up into a smaller space. If you need security, tattoo can be burned or shredded. If you get really bored, you can make airplanes out of tattoos.

    You want games? Tattoo has some of the most ancient and popular games ever. Tic tac tatoo, connect the dots to name a few. Tattoo even has an intuitive interface for making your own games. In fact it's so easy a toddler can do it!

    Tattoo in volume can be used to prop up a montior to eye level that doesn't have a stand. Have a table with a leg that's a little short? Easy enough, some folded tattooed person under the affected leg will make that table stand on all 4 legs like new again.

    Girls love tattoos! Write a love letter, send a card, these will allways get you more brownie points with your signifigant other than electronic methods.

    Tattoo has been used for thousands of years, without tattoo, we wouldn't have the great teaching of our forefathers. Our constitution was written on parchment, animal tattoo!

    Have you hugged your tattoo today?

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  107. I'm no Mac fanatic . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . but I do have to say that I was thoroughly impressed the other day when a Mac using friend of mine showed me a neat feature that has been in Mac OS _since_the_7.0_days_. It's called "Publish and subscribe" and is basically a way to work collaboratively on documents. It works beautifully and updates automatically. Beats the hell out of working on a *paper* draft then mailing it to someone and having to wait to have them mail back their changes, which is what you would have to do if you were implemented this in an equivalent paper solution.

    It just amazes me that this has been around for forever, and people are getting all excited about "virtual whiteboards" these days. Maybe the reason that there is this "Myth of the Paperless Office" is that companies like Microsoft have hampered progress to the point where the popular paperless software sucks. If companies would actually focus on making _better_ products instead of wiping out competition, we would have a viable paperless office solution.

    "[Microsoft] has set back the computing industry by at least 10 years." - The Geek Code

  108. Re:Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility by spitzak · · Score: 2
    Although we certainly need seperate home directories for each user, and it is best if system stuff is kept out of them, I would agree that it would be nice to allow "home" to be a completley free-form and clean slate. If you want a "desktop" it would be nice if that *was* "home" so that everything is below the desktop.

    Unfortunatley Unix (not unix itself but the many applications) have put so much crap into the home directory that it is not user-friendly to present that as a desktop. So instead all the systems make a subdirectory called Desktop. From there it is a quick slide to crap like "My Documents" and "My Pictures".

    I also think it is interesting that people who complain about the Unix (and Windows) putting types of files into directories (ie an installed app has to spread it's libraries, setup files, and executable into different directories) seem to not complain about this requirement that users segregate their own file types in this way.

  109. Paper is Essential; So are Bytes by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Both electronic and paper documents are both equally necessary. They serve different purposes and are good for different reasons.

    When I was in college, I finally hit upon the proper way to write a paper. Not the all-too-common stream of consciousness in Word, but the tried and true method. I would first go to the library and use the electronic catalogue to find the general locations of books on my subject (say, 19th century German naval policy). Then I'd go to that section and browse the shelves looking for more books on the subject than my search had turned up. You see, the old and the new methods were complimentary.

    I'd fill my briefcase with books, then head out to the local pub and get a table. I'd spread the books in great piles around me, pull out a sheet of paper and write--in longhand--a very general outline of what I wanted. Writing by hand forced me to think harder about what I was doing, as it is slower than typing. I'd then thumb through the books, noting on index cards what items were interesting (so that I could refer to them later). I'd then improve my outline and flesh it out, each time rewriting it longhand--making me familiar with it, revealing where it lacked &c.

    Then I'd write the paper, by hand, from the outline. I'd read through it, and make any corrections which revealed themselves. Finally, I'd return to my flat and format the whole thing in LaTeX. This is where footnotes and the like would be inserted, using those notecards I mentioned earlier. I'd print out a draft, read through it once more, then print a final copy for my professor.

    This manual process enabled me to consider the thrust and flow of my papers, of the arguments therein. It enabled me to do far better research than students who relied solely on the electronic index of books. It enabled the best grades of my college career. It also enabled me to enjoy many fine beers at the local pub, which was just fine by me:-)

    The computer was no less essential. A paper formatted in LaTeX is a thing of beauty--and this cannot be over-emphasised when discussing the resulting grades. A paper written longhand is unatttractive.

    The technologies are not mutually exclusive, but rather complimentary.

  110. Energy consuption not an issue? by Dr.Diablo · · Score: 1

    The problem with your comparision is that energy consumption is an issue when dealing with the paper vs. computer discussion.

    Once a page has been printed, the energy costs to access that information are zero. It can be read once, twice, a hundred times with no further energy required (and no, lights do not count because last I checked most people turn on lights when using their computer -it's a wash). A computer by nature of its design MUST consume energy every time you want to access a given bit of information.

    While you point out that most people just leave their computers on all the time, most people do not have to worry about an electrical storm frying their post-its. Paper is a persistant medium that is fairly resilient to damage when compared to its electronic counter parts.

    I must also dispute your notion that "PC's will consume less energy in the future" as that goes against historical trends. My 486 USED A 200W power supply. My 400MHz computer used a 250W power supply. I just built a XP1700 that with a 350W power supply (ok, only 300W was needed but I have several peripherals in there). The Pentium IV requires a direct power connection to the power supply. If anything, every generation of processor requires more power than the previous one. Not to mention 3D accelerators, CD/DVD burners, home RAIDs and who knows what else on the horizon will continue to increase power draw because performance, not power efficiency drives the market.

    One last thought. You talk about the environmental impact of paper production. Have you ever read up on what it takes to build a computer? It requires a number of toxic processes that are extremely harmful to the environment - far more so than sustainable foresting/recycled paper production requires. But do not take my word for it, read about it here: http://www.svtc.org/hightech_prod/

    The Doctor is Out... (Enjoying the warm weather)

  111. Re:Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility by owenc · · Score: 1

    Nautilus does this to an extent...

  112. Re:Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility by casio282 · · Score: 1
    This thread, and the New Yorker article referenced, reminds me of the wonderful web-comic "My New Filing Technique is Unstoppable."

    Check out the archives here.

    This comic in particular seems to hit on the salient issues.

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  113. Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, learn the proper English plural of the word 'virus.'

    There's no need to be making up words in hopes of sounding smarter. You only end up looking silly.

  114. Re:The next generation portable, TATTOO! by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

    "Boss! Da plane, da plane!"

    Sorry, had to!
    :-p

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  115. Slashdot Daily! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any idea how messy my desk will look with a single issue of Slashdot Daily opened on it?

  116. Those Who Forget Old Tech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "have a secretary at the company headquarters type up a schedule every week, setting out what train was travelling in what direction at what time, because in the mid-nineteenth century collisions were a terrible problem. Then the secretary would make ten carbon copies of that schedule..."

    Uh.. excuse me? Carbon copies are made at the same time the typing is done. Someone who wrote about carbon copies did not know that? (Youngsters: carbon copies are made by putting thin sheets of black carbon paper between blank pages in the typewriter. When a letter is typed, the black carbon is squished on to the page underneath, so the copies under the original are made at the same time.)

  117. Re:Apple Computer, "Piles", and Unix inflexibility by jcast · · Score: 1

    MacOS still requires you to put computer files on the computer's hard drive, right? Sounds aweful to me.

    Seriously, though, I would love to hear you name one good reason to put any data file outside of ~user.

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  118. Reliable paper data by fm6 · · Score: 2
    + It rarely loses data
    Only if you use reliably reversible input methods. Most of us just don't know how. This is an issue I have struggled with for longer than I care to think about.