What happens if Microsoft comes out of February with huge amounts of BSD being patched into XP and 2K? What is stopping them? Is that any stranger than the "Trusted Computing Initiative," or a month of MS bug-fixing, or Bill Gates acknowledging "the incredible pain we put everyone through in computing" ? Why not?
If MS is giving up face to rebuild honesty (we have failed, but we _really_ want to do better) then more power to them. If this is a real story - and Microsoft isn't lying...then we have already won...haha
"You can please some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time."
Not my quote, but the point is - it's awful hard for one thing to be "everything to everyone." But the open source nature of linux makes it possible to have a version of linux for everyone...but they may not all be the same thing, you know what I mean? it can't be a geek configure-till-you-die OS, and still be a Joe User OS. You can take your kernel + apps and make it user friendly, while someone else can take the code and port it to a mainframe, while a third person hacks the kernel to his hearts content.
I don't seem to be getting any mod points soon, but I know someone does - the above needs to be pointed out.
"This is NOT STEALING, call it illegal copying if you will (though I don't agree), but it's not stealing. I don't go around calling speeding murder, even though there's a chance you might kill someone by driving too fast."
So true. There's an important distinction in 'stealing' intellectual property, that a lot of people forget. 'Illegal copying' is much more precise, because in the end, no matter how much IP you steal, the original people still have their IP, there is no exlusivity to it, and you might still go out and pay for a valid copy because you want to support the artist.
Another tact would be to blindly buy the cd's you want, and then take the ones back that are 'broken' for your cd player. Unless they are obviously labelled, play 'dumb customer,' and if that doesn't work play 'grumpy customer,' and if you really have to play 'outraged customer.' Eventually the store will accept your return, especially if you are openly making a fuss about not being able to play a cd that "JUST DOESN'T WORK AT ALL!!!"
In the end, you get your money, they get some hassle, and it gets pushed right back into the music industry. Wal-Mart sells cd's, and they won't sell cd's that are 'broken' and take a lot of returns. I suspect it might be that simple.
What is the source of the music your are listening to right now?
1. Paid for compact disc
2. MP3/OGG on your hard drive from your cd's
3. MP3/OGG on hard drive from a modern p2p client
4. MP3 from napster (old-school, extra points)
5. Radio
6. The CowboyNeal Opera
This get's a +1 insightful from me, except i don't have any points to give. People need to hear this - they don't need to believe it, but everyone should hear this. What a change in society that would breed - when people realize that corporations exist to serve the public good, and not just to take money in exchange for something. Let me repeat that: corporations exist to serve the public.
To the author of the parent post - do you mind if I use the second part of what you have said? I'll put it on my website or something?
Some people here wonder why slashdotters hate X Big company - this is why - they no longer seek to serve the customer, and produce a negative net benefit for society.
Apparently unlike the majority of the people here, I don't want to see Linux drive everyone else out of the marketplace. Choice is good.
This is something i've been wanting to say for a while, but you said it so i'll just agree. I don't think the Evil Empire of Microsoft has always had a devious plan to take over the universe and push everyone around. It's just that now, they have the power to _be_ evil. It's the same way in any other situation - power corrupts, or, put differently, you _will_ do what you _can_ do. In other words, what you can get away with.
Situation: what happens when linux has 95% of market share? You think that will Utopia? NO! I think it will be distro wars, and binary incompatibility, and Distribution Z running off with its code from Distributions X and Y, legal battles over the licenses cuz that linux kernel+software will be worth BILLIONS if that day comes - whoever controls it controls 95% of computing...you think that'll be fun then?
Sorry if i'm getting too excited - but I think that what is of greatest importance is competition - linux isn't the second coming, as much as you'd like it to be. Free software's ideas are great - but linux is more than an idea - and it can be corrupted and misused and monopolized. Competition is what we need - and part of linux is that it allows competition (with itself, even) through it's openness, yes. Me, I'm looking for competition, not dominance.
News flash: AOL's new marketing consultants, Underpants Gnomes Inc, just released AOL's new (beta) plan for it's IM client:
1. Allow infinite number of connections from non-AOL clients
2. (the beta part)
3. Money!
One of the great things about trillian is that it doesn't waste your space with ads, for MSN, Yahoo, or AOL. if it had to show all those ads, it would take up twice the room it does now for the main window. This isn't the solution...
And by the way...does anyone know exactly how much AOL/MSN/Yahoo makes on ads?
one great big open client/network scheme for IM's has occured before, but you're the first one on this thread to mention it, that's all.
i'd use the aol client, but it's too much of a pain to have MSN, AOL, etc. all running at the same time...if you look there are open standards - just nobody uses them. why don't you write some software, host a server, and start the ball rolling?
But seriously - you could say the same about windows applications ripping off other win apps (there are several napsters, several cd burners, and several IM clients - all similar in form and function...). But in the case of Open Source, at least the software is free for everyone to change & use. There are such things as "standard applications": most people will use a media player, a web browser, a file browser, a text editor, and an office suite. Just because *nix ones are functionally similar to win ones doesn't mean they are meant as rip-offs. There are certainly advantages in Mozilla, konqueror, and some of the office suites you'll never find in a MS product...and i don't just mean the security.
If you look at it in a stupid enough way, linux itself is a "rip-off" of windows, because they are both operating systems. I suspect that by trying to look smart and ripping on linux you are in fact a fool.
yeah but the problem is that winXP's updates went down, there were way too many of them, and that was just when it first came out. imagine installing winXP in 6 months...whew. what a pile of downloading that will be.
But with mandrake I think this feature will in theory do the same thing, in reality it seems it will be for several smallish security patches and upgrades to new software (we are talking about hundreds of OSS packages here) right off of the bat. a very useful feature, imho.
MS's access restriction seemed to be Microsoft's testing just how far it could go with it's power - how many non-IE users will complain if we do this?
This guy's action seems to be his attempt to fight back, and educate. Do you use Outlook? if not, how many illegible attachments and other garbage have you gotten from people who _do_? I'd consider this to be revenge/payback to the Outlook-using world, and not foolish at all - people need to see what is wrong with Outlook and this helps point it out - anyone on this list will probably be technical enough to get why he's doing this anyway, and be understanding (it's a bug in Outlook, after all...)
I agree with you wholeheartedly
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People complain about linux installs. Mandrake is easier to keep running than any win9x, and easier to install than win2K. and yeah - Mandrake IS stabler, too. I just have to run 2K for my job. and 9x for, among other things, voice chat over IP is there a linux program that allows voice chatting?
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Off Topic, yah i know, but... Linux Mandrake, 8.1. if it came pre-built on a system, everyone could use it. I mean that. Sure they'd miss games - but it's to the point where it's not about usability on the desktop any more, it's about getting the apps people need. i'm serious - my brother takes to it like a fish to water - he's never used Windows much so he doesn't have the habits. He just has to learn...and KDE themes don't hurt too much for those of us used to MS.
Kernel compiles you say? oh, well how many people do you know that can install whole new driver sets, or even do a full win2K/9X install? Some perhaps, and more than those that can do a Linux install, but again the problem is with learning it the first time. after the first install (on, again, mandrake 8.1) it's like you already know how to swim. Give people time...as Linux matures you might be surprised.
except that you have to take into account every dumbass lemming that cant change their screen resolution or color depth by themselves, but can bring the system to its knees because they're dumb enough to run anything that comes along via email.
I am saving a copy of this...mind if I just use in indiscriminately, with source?
I've been troubled by this too - how did God go from being mean and nasty in the old testament to being loving, kind, and merciful in the new?
Well...what i finally came up with, is that if you read more than just the dramatic "sunday school" parts of the bible, that God was merciful and kind and loving at times in the OT, he heard peoples prayers and answered them - the punishments were only for disobedience. And if you look, Jesus didn't pull too many punches when he was here. Jesus had a job to do (provide a way for men to get to God, and not just the Jews, either) and he did die, if the Bible is to be believed.
I find it interesting to compare the old testament's ignoring God => punishment scenarios to today's society. If God really exists...why did Sept. 11th happen to America, the country whose money says, "in God we trust?"
for my.02, almost every AMD system i've seen has been rock-solid stable. Better than the intel's i've used/seen. The (AMD) ones that weren't stable were flawed not in processors, but in via/misc chipsets. bad motherboards. Intel has had trouble with bad mobo's, too - but what about that pentium bug? Oh well, give them time - I just like the competition. As much fun as i've had being on the AMD side of things, i'd switch if Intel's products were faster, cheaper, and as easily overclocked.
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What happens if Microsoft comes out of February with huge amounts of BSD being patched into XP and 2K? What is stopping them? Is that any stranger than the "Trusted Computing Initiative," or a month of MS bug-fixing, or Bill Gates acknowledging "the incredible pain we put everyone through in computing" ? Why not?
If MS is giving up face to rebuild honesty (we have failed, but we _really_ want to do better) then more power to them. If this is a real story - and Microsoft isn't lying...then we have already won...haha
"You can please some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time."
Not my quote, but the point is - it's awful hard for one thing to be "everything to everyone." But the open source nature of linux makes it possible to have a version of linux for everyone...but they may not all be the same thing, you know what I mean? it can't be a geek configure-till-you-die OS, and still be a Joe User OS. You can take your kernel + apps and make it user friendly, while someone else can take the code and port it to a mainframe, while a third person hacks the kernel to his hearts content.
I don't seem to be getting any mod points soon, but I know someone does - the above needs to be pointed out.
"This is NOT STEALING, call it illegal copying if you will (though I don't agree), but it's not stealing. I don't go around calling speeding murder, even though there's a chance you might kill someone by driving too fast."
So true. There's an important distinction in 'stealing' intellectual property, that a lot of people forget. 'Illegal copying' is much more precise, because in the end, no matter how much IP you steal, the original people still have their IP, there is no exlusivity to it, and you might still go out and pay for a valid copy because you want to support the artist.
Another tact would be to blindly buy the cd's you want, and then take the ones back that are 'broken' for your cd player. Unless they are obviously labelled, play 'dumb customer,' and if that doesn't work play 'grumpy customer,' and if you really have to play 'outraged customer.' Eventually the store will accept your return, especially if you are openly making a fuss about not being able to play a cd that "JUST DOESN'T WORK AT ALL!!!"
In the end, you get your money, they get some hassle, and it gets pushed right back into the music industry. Wal-Mart sells cd's, and they won't sell cd's that are 'broken' and take a lot of returns. I suspect it might be that simple.
What is the source of the music your are listening to right now?
1. Paid for compact disc
2. MP3/OGG on your hard drive from your cd's
3. MP3/OGG on hard drive from a modern p2p client
4. MP3 from napster (old-school, extra points)
5. Radio
6. The CowboyNeal Opera
You've gotta love any place where:
"I'm sticking with #3 [enjoy the albums I already own] until the RIAA gets a fucking clue."
gets modded up to 5, insightful. You gotta love it.
This get's a +1 insightful from me, except i don't have any points to give. People need to hear this - they don't need to believe it, but everyone should hear this. What a change in society that would breed - when people realize that corporations exist to serve the public good, and not just to take money in exchange for something. Let me repeat that: corporations exist to serve the public.
To the author of the parent post - do you mind if I use the second part of what you have said? I'll put it on my website or something?
Some people here wonder why slashdotters hate X Big company - this is why - they no longer seek to serve the customer, and produce a negative net benefit for society.
I'm not sure...but isn't 3 billion documents , including 20 years and 700 million posts of usenet and 330 Million images be scaling? ...and yeah, I think they run oracle...but unless I misunderstand scaling, linux handles it pretty well.
And yes, i know the google links are in pig latin...it's something i'm trying out.
Amend the statement, like this:
Linux will never replace Minix, or even linux is obsolete...the same has been said. people can be wrong...
Apparently unlike the majority of the people here, I don't want to see Linux drive everyone else out of the marketplace. Choice is good.
This is something i've been wanting to say for a while, but you said it so i'll just agree. I don't think the Evil Empire of Microsoft has always had a devious plan to take over the universe and push everyone around. It's just that now, they have the power to _be_ evil. It's the same way in any other situation - power corrupts, or, put differently, you _will_ do what you _can_ do. In other words, what you can get away with.
Situation: what happens when linux has 95% of market share? You think that will Utopia? NO! I think it will be distro wars, and binary incompatibility, and Distribution Z running off with its code from Distributions X and Y, legal battles over the licenses cuz that linux kernel+software will be worth BILLIONS if that day comes - whoever controls it controls 95% of computing...you think that'll be fun then?
Sorry if i'm getting too excited - but I think that what is of greatest importance is competition - linux isn't the second coming, as much as you'd like it to be. Free software's ideas are great - but linux is more than an idea - and it can be corrupted and misused and monopolized. Competition is what we need - and part of linux is that it allows competition (with itself, even) through it's openness, yes. Me, I'm looking for competition, not dominance.
News flash: AOL's new marketing consultants, Underpants Gnomes Inc, just released AOL's new (beta) plan for it's IM client:
1. Allow infinite number of connections from non-AOL clients
2. (the beta part)
3. Money!
One of the great things about trillian is that it doesn't waste your space with ads, for MSN, Yahoo, or AOL. if it had to show all those ads, it would take up twice the room it does now for the main window. This isn't the solution...
And by the way...does anyone know exactly how much AOL/MSN/Yahoo makes on ads?
look here
and here
Maybe there is such a beast...take a look.
one great big open client/network scheme for IM's has occured before, but you're the first one on this thread to mention it, that's all.
i'd use the aol client, but it's too much of a pain to have MSN, AOL, etc. all running at the same time...if you look there are open standards - just nobody uses them. why don't you write some software, host a server, and start the ball rolling?
hmmm...apache....?
But seriously - you could say the same about windows applications ripping off other win apps (there are several napsters, several cd burners, and several IM clients - all similar in form and function...). But in the case of Open Source, at least the software is free for everyone to change & use. There are such things as "standard applications": most people will use a media player, a web browser, a file browser, a text editor, and an office suite. Just because *nix ones are functionally similar to win ones doesn't mean they are meant as rip-offs. There are certainly advantages in Mozilla, konqueror, and some of the office suites you'll never find in a MS product...and i don't just mean the security.
If you look at it in a stupid enough way, linux itself is a "rip-off" of windows, because they are both operating systems. I suspect that by trying to look smart and ripping on linux you are in fact a fool.
Ok, from a newbie Mandrake user, I did that, and got a grey X screen. now what?
yeah but the problem is that winXP's updates went down, there were way too many of them, and that was just when it first came out. imagine installing winXP in 6 months...whew. what a pile of downloading that will be.
But with mandrake I think this feature will in theory do the same thing, in reality it seems it will be for several smallish security patches and upgrades to new software (we are talking about hundreds of OSS packages here) right off of the bat. a very useful feature, imho.
-dave, posting from mandrake 8.1 : )
MS's access restriction seemed to be Microsoft's testing just how far it could go with it's power - how many non-IE users will complain if we do this?
This guy's action seems to be his attempt to fight back, and educate. Do you use Outlook? if not, how many illegible attachments and other garbage have you gotten from people who _do_? I'd consider this to be revenge/payback to the Outlook-using world, and not foolish at all - people need to see what is wrong with Outlook and this helps point it out - anyone on this list will probably be technical enough to get why he's doing this anyway, and be understanding (it's a bug in Outlook, after all...)
People complain about linux installs. Mandrake is easier to keep running than any win9x, and easier to install than win2K. and yeah - Mandrake IS stabler, too. I just have to run 2K for my job. and 9x for, among other things, voice chat over IP is there a linux program that allows voice chatting?
Off Topic, yah i know, but... Linux Mandrake, 8.1. if it came pre-built on a system, everyone could use it. I mean that. Sure they'd miss games - but it's to the point where it's not about usability on the desktop any more, it's about getting the apps people need. i'm serious - my brother takes to it like a fish to water - he's never used Windows much so he doesn't have the habits. He just has to learn...and KDE themes don't hurt too much for those of us used to MS.
Kernel compiles you say? oh, well how many people do you know that can install whole new driver sets, or even do a full win2K/9X install? Some perhaps, and more than those that can do a Linux install, but again the problem is with learning it the first time. after the first install (on, again, mandrake 8.1) it's like you already know how to swim. Give people time...as Linux matures you might be surprised.
except that you have to take into account every dumbass lemming that cant change their screen resolution or color depth by themselves, but can bring the system to its knees because they're dumb enough to run anything that comes along via email.
I am saving a copy of this...mind if I just use in indiscriminately, with source?
I've been troubled by this too - how did God go from being mean and nasty in the old testament to being loving, kind, and merciful in the new?
Well...what i finally came up with, is that if you read more than just the dramatic "sunday school" parts of the bible, that God was merciful and kind and loving at times in the OT, he heard peoples prayers and answered them - the punishments were only for disobedience. And if you look, Jesus didn't pull too many punches when he was here. Jesus had a job to do (provide a way for men to get to God, and not just the Jews, either) and he did die, if the Bible is to be believed.
I find it interesting to compare the old testament's ignoring God => punishment scenarios to today's society. If God really exists...why did Sept. 11th happen to America, the country whose money says, "in God we trust?"
yeah, i caught that one too...wasn't sure if they were wrong or I was confused. I think the word "majority" needs to be inserted somewhere.
- dave
for my .02, almost every AMD system i've seen has been rock-solid stable. Better than the intel's i've used/seen. The (AMD) ones that weren't stable were flawed not in processors, but in via/misc chipsets. bad motherboards. Intel has had trouble with bad mobo's, too - but what about that pentium bug? Oh well, give them time - I just like the competition. As much fun as i've had being on the AMD side of things, i'd switch if Intel's products were faster, cheaper, and as easily overclocked.