Those phrases are in the paper, but he provides work-arounds for all of them. No office suite is perfect...but most everyone at this gentleman's office seems to be happy with Star/Open-, and the advantages of linux well outweigh the problems of Microsoft - the sysadmin seems happy not to have to "babysit the Microsoft systems." He says that printing is working great, perhaps superior to a MS solution, and that Konqueror is enough for people's needs, and that they like the integration KDE offers.
Overall, the theme was success, and the mood was positive - this is a good story that Linux advocates can point to, in their companies, and say,"Hey! it can be done - let's test it." It's encouraging - because this kind of thing would have been unreasonable not too long ago - it's another step in a happy trend.
There's been a lot of the "wrest linux from the masses" talk going on here...
Just what does that mean? Are there masses now? Not really. So what, AOL gives linux to the millions, and then makes it non-compatible. What are we left with? All the developers still making linux. We might be short RH, but a lot of people there will leave when and if AOL does 'run away' from a GPL'd linux. We are back where we started - a community - and perhaps more people will know what we are. If AOL doesn't screw it up, maybe people will know that Linux is stabler and less prone to MS-viruses... The strength of Linux is in its community...as long as that stays strong, what have we to worry about?
1. Download Mozilla.97
2. Install.
3. You now have: Tabbed browsing, No IE viruses. Speed, accuracy, looks good, blocks images by site. Blocks popup Java. Is not tied to an OS.
4. Feel Sexy.
If such patches were shown to break AOL, near-exclusively (MS doesn't want to break too much), AOLTW probably has enough cash to hit MS hard in the courts. This isn't david v. Goliath we are talking about here. And all those AOL users would hear on CNN (ahh...monopolies...) that MS purposely has broken their AOL. Those 100 million users might get quite angry...can you say class-action? Go ahead MS...I think it would be fun to watch.
and if AOL decideds to make Linux AOL-user-friendly, enough so a newbie can use it...and distribute it at or near free (this is the #1 coaster producing company in the world ya know), why wouldn't OEM's snap it up. Just a few million dollars more, that AOL/TW surely has, to really get wine close (is perfect possible?)...and your average AOL guy might just not even see the problem..."Compatible with 95% of your old apps" is about all XP offers...and XP ISN'T compatible with 95% of all your old hardware. RH+AOL/TW money might just fit that old PC you're upgrading from '98.
See, it's the jump that matters. Your average guy wants to run his old stuff, nothing new (that must be paid for)- the old stuff is familiar. Wine can handle that, and the free GNU apps that come with the deal are just cream on top - I know my brother loves the GIMP... If Avg. Joe can run his old, favorite programs through wine, and doesn't need to switch to something else, he'll be happy. The fact that it runs on an old PC is good, as is the (possible) security offered by AOLinux, if such a beastie is ever to be born.
I've used Netscape (6.2) in windows, and mozilla, from which it is based, on win2K and win9X. Netscape/Moz is better, IE just crashes more. Now i know that's my opinion, but it is something to counter your exaggerations.
If you need compatible chat clients, just get an account and use Gaim or Jabber or Imici or Trillian (so far Trill is win-only, i am not sure what your rant is about there).
I take special issue with you bashing winamp. It's always been a major player in the mp3 game. People told me when i was a newbie, to play mp3's, use winamp. I tried out several, including realjukebox and some others....they were buggy and stupid. Winamp just was smaller, stabler, and supported playlisting better. That's what all the people I know have to say. Name some that are superior...better yet, HEY SLASHDOT PEOPLE! Let's have a Poll - best free MP3/ogg/wav/cd player...
You say that AOL pushes technology...then 2 lines downy you say they care nothing for technology, just money. Look. if AOL buys Red Hat, and puts money into it, and more code goes back into Linux, power to them. it's not like they can just ignore the GPL. They want to challenge windows. Fine. if AOL can make an OS that is open-source/secure/stable and as common as windows, well I say power to them.
If peopled didn't buy from the big guys like Dell, HP, Compaq, and gateway, I would love it. I build PC's for fun, I just got done with building one for my uncle. I checked prices against Dell, he checked against gateway - we were both really happy. He can pretty much do it himself now, and I had fun - wish all my friends would come to me for stuff like this - i'd do it free I love it so much. Or charge them a pizza or something like that...The fact is that a lot of the time, small guys who use Pricewatch are much (as in 30%) cheaper...
nice touch with google - i had this imagery of a whole office full of Microsoft people frantically trying to come up with something about "security"
... on an interesting rabbit trail, how far down does it take to find "linux" in the google search for security? Both Microsoft and Social Security are above anything linux-ey...oh well. Those MS guys will just have to work harder.
a) - You are right - IE still crashes my systems (in windows, of course...), but mozilla, when it crashes, leaves windows alone just fine...and it's laughable to watch me try and middle-click to open a new page in IE. I still curse that little move-thingy. arg. Mozilla is awesome for win, and in linux it's pretty good too.
b) - streaming audio - does it really matter? everyone I know who needs audio uses p2p. Internet radio is dying. what else is there? seriously, I just don't know, and i'm curious if there is anything.
c) - A friend of mine runs apache in win98. A lot of people use it. Wait until 2.0, or read this slashdot article if you don't believe me. I agree with the parent i'm replying to. MS hasn't done too much to impress me with their internet stuff. It'smostly bloated and insecure.
Please someone explain to me what this means (from the first document), Bill is answering:
15 Q. Do you use a computer at home?
16 A. Yes, I do.
17 Q. Do you use that on work-related
18 matters?
19 A. Some of the computers I do and some of
20 the computers I don't.
21 Q. Do you know whether those computers
22 were searched in connection with a document search in
23 this litigation?
24 A. Those computers don't have storage.
25 Q. But you don't know whether the hard
8
1 disk was searched for any material that might be
2 there that --
3 A. You should understand it's a portable
4 computer, it moves back and forth. That's the
5 computer with my e-mail, it moves back and forth. So
6 it's the same computer in my office as at home.
7 Q. I see, okay. And I assume the computer
8 in your office was searched for relevant e-mails; is
9 that your understanding?
10 A. Yes.
No storage? Huh? Back and forth? It's late...anybody make sense of that?
Ok, since someone doesn't get it (right now i see Overrated=2),
Porn star concentrating on plot. Microsoft concentrating on security. Both would be amazing turnarounds, but are _extremely_ unlikely and would be slightly ironic. Hence, humor. I don't think it would help Ron Jeremy's career any, but we'll see what happens to good ol' MS.
I think you are wrong. If LE claims that oracle is perfect, as long as his claim holds people are tempted to believe it. given enough time, people become convinced - there is no counter-evidence. People will switch to a product that is commonly believed to be unbreakable. But when something like this happens, and it breaks Oracle's record, and Larry's "embarassment" becomes loss of confidence in an "unbreakable" product and loss of possible market share in the future.
It's not quite the same as crashing your car and dying. Computer crashes aren't fatal - but that doesn't mean that they don't cost anything. The article mentioned that holes in IIS were worth $2B due to Nimda and Code Red.
So what do we do? Should we get "computer insurance," where your losses are covered by a policy, with deductibles and everything? Programs are not cars, or guns, or hot coffee - they are broken naturally, and nearly impossible to perfect - especially for something as big as an OS. But I think there is room for liability - and perhaps computer insurance isn't such a stupid idea...i like the idea of lower premiums for my historically more secure linux system - that would be an interesting future.
But I don't like the idea of unlimited liability - society has too many fools suing these days anyway. Care is necessary, if legal policy is to be changed. Freely distributed code should not be treated the same as an OS for sale, one that promises to be the most secure and stable yet - I do not know what a good liability system would look like, but I shudder at the kinds of lawsuits that i can imagine. Any good ideas?
There are people who listen when I tell them about the alternatives. Every time a new MS virus, a BSOD, or another of your friendly Microsoft bugs comes up, I mention to some of the person(s) involved that there are alternatives, be it Mozilla, OpenOffice, or even full-blown linux install. These products have advantages (other than being free) that the Microsoft "de facto" standards just don't have, tabbed browsing comes to mind for Mozilla.
These things aren't for everyone. But a lot of my CS friends here at MSU, my girlfriend, and my brothers (who are budding computer geeks like me) know that there are alternatives. It takes patience and care, and you have to really believe that the stuff is better, but Microsoft does give you plenty of ammo. You just have to wait for it.
Your using the word 'description' lit the proverbial light bulb -
Let's say I want to describe my car. I say, "my car," which 'compresses' the idea of my car, really really well, but there is no way to get back to my car. It's like some compression ideas that were suggested, really really good compression, just no way to 'get back.'
Now, let's say I use more description - "1990 geo storm hatchback." It still doesn't work, because there are cars like it out there - we still don't have the complete idea of my car. In fact - to completely describe my car, I would need to describe every atom on it - so compression would seem to be impossible, my car is too random, as all real objects are, to be compressed.
What compression does, is it describes an object A in another object, B. The description must be complete, otherwise there is loss. That is how JPEG's and MP3's work - they knock out some of the 'unimportant' data. The data 'we can't see.' But we don't want that on data, we want lossless compression.
Back to my car - real world objects could be 'compressed' by a complete description, that is exact in its detail but includes patterns to model the object - probably using shape descriptions to model panels and engines, describing one basic piston, and then including each piston's differences from my basic piston description. In this way, the entire car could be described, with no loss to the original, complete idea.
Hope this helps - thinking about it this way kinda sorted it out, for me.
Ok, slap me if i'm wrong, but I've had IE pop up a dialog box that says "do you want to do X, click yes or no" and it does something based on yes or no. What happened to me was, I was browsing around for emulators and roms, and I got kicked to a porn site and a million pop-ups. One of them had a grey IE yes/no dialog pop-up, which said, "do you want to download our nifty porn browser?" I said no. It apparenlty downloaded something...because when I rebooted (just to kill all 35 pop-ups) I had a new virus, and I never once hit Open File. it was a neat little bugger, every time you hit a key it would send backspace and a letter of a character string to the output. so...
I type: "www.slashdot.com"
and it types: "I am F%^king GAY!!!"
I thought it was interesting that it had gotten on my computer without my knowledge...I don't open files I don't trust and maybe it was another exploit of IE, I don't know. But it got on there somehow...of course, this type of thing makes the current bug pointless, right?
This just made me think of something. Probably the reason that windows gets such crap in the registry is because there are billions of apps that use the reg. if Linux/BSD/whatever had the number of apps that win9x does, maybe they would screw with some configuration files too?
dude...link that info! I would be very interested to read that, as an longtime fighter of the xbox (both because I love/trust Nintendo and Miyamoto, and because, well...I don't want to see consoles dominated by one company. for long, anyways.)
what is the public perception of the console market now? That it's about even, right? well gamecube's have sold 2X the amount of Xbox's, by some estimates (check yahoo/reuters), and Xbox's seem to have less total inventory (300K xbox's, 700K gamecubes). Does public perception really reflect this? perhaps...but i suspect that word of mouth is more prevalent than #'s of consoles sold...i.e. "Smash brothers Melee is 10X more fun than that Odysee game!" or something like that...for most people...because they dont' try to stay informed. I do, and I suspect you do, as do most/.'ers, but joe person might not.
A second idea: what if all the linux heads use Xbox's for linux (until MS's EULA tries to prevent that, ha!) and we buy up all this cheap pc hardware, leaving less consoles for actual gamers. So less consoles to play games on...less sales...MS failure.
Add up the total cash microsoft sends to nvidia, seagate, intel, etc., etc., I doubt that they are making any mass profits off of their xbox. read what thomas pabst has to say. They are just like any other console maker, only they have more cash to throw around. it's typical Microsoft strategy...use surplus cash to drive out competetion, establish monopoly, raise prices. At least, recently. Take IE for example. Spend mucho dinero on a browser, try to make it nice, give it away free (and automatically install it with your new OS) and wait...soon no one will pay for another browser, and the others that people have to get get some other way will be unpopular as soon as they make a mistake or two, because they require more work (and are less familiar, because they don't work just like your file explorer does...hmmm).
Re:could work for the holodeck...
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Replying to myself:
Or, upon reading the AP article, what about a newspaper that you buy and then keep for a week, downloading the news each day, and getting a new one when your old paper rips or something? I'm assuming that since it is paper it must be cheap enought to be sold like paper, or at least an approximately similar price...so a video-newspaper does sound like a spiffy idea.
Or you could just slap it on a PDA and make them thinner...
Sure, eventually you could use this for a simulation-room (aka holodeck)'s walls. but what about something useful now, like a tv-screen you can fold up, or maybe displays that you can use anywhere, wherever a regular monitor type wouldn't work, where it had to be compressible (spy stuff) or something. We might not see real video-paper yet, but I bet we see it in a spy film soon.
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Those phrases are in the paper, but he provides work-arounds for all of them.
No office suite is perfect...but most everyone at this gentleman's office seems to be happy with Star/Open-, and the advantages of linux well outweigh the problems of Microsoft - the sysadmin seems happy not to have to "babysit the Microsoft systems." He says that printing is working great, perhaps superior to a MS solution, and that Konqueror is enough for people's needs, and that they like the integration KDE offers.
Overall, the theme was success, and the mood was positive - this is a good story that Linux advocates can point to, in their companies, and say,"Hey! it can be done - let's test it." It's encouraging - because this kind of thing would have been unreasonable not too long ago - it's another step in a happy trend.
There's been a lot of the "wrest linux from the masses" talk going on here...
Just what does that mean? Are there masses now? Not really. So what, AOL gives linux to the millions, and then makes it non-compatible. What are we left with? All the developers still making linux. We might be short RH, but a lot of people there will leave when and if AOL does 'run away' from a GPL'd linux. We are back where we started - a community - and perhaps more people will know what we are. If AOL doesn't screw it up, maybe people will know that Linux is stabler and less prone to MS-viruses... The strength of Linux is in its community...as long as that stays strong, what have we to worry about?
1. Download Mozilla .97
2. Install.
3. You now have: Tabbed browsing, No IE viruses. Speed, accuracy, looks good, blocks images by site. Blocks popup Java. Is not tied to an OS.
4. Feel Sexy.
If such patches were shown to break AOL, near-exclusively (MS doesn't want to break too much), AOLTW probably has enough cash to hit MS hard in the courts. This isn't david v. Goliath we are talking about here. And all those AOL users would hear on CNN (ahh...monopolies...) that MS purposely has broken their AOL. Those 100 million users might get quite angry...can you say class-action? Go ahead MS...I think it would be fun to watch.
- dave
and if AOL decideds to make Linux AOL-user-friendly, enough so a newbie can use it...and distribute it at or near free (this is the #1 coaster producing company in the world ya know), why wouldn't OEM's snap it up. Just a few million dollars more, that AOL/TW surely has, to really get wine close (is perfect possible?)...and your average AOL guy might just not even see the problem..."Compatible with 95% of your old apps" is about all XP offers...and XP ISN'T compatible with 95% of all your old hardware. RH+AOL/TW money might just fit that old PC you're upgrading from '98.
See, it's the jump that matters. Your average guy wants to run his old stuff, nothing new (that must be paid for)- the old stuff is familiar. Wine can handle that, and the free GNU apps that come with the deal are just cream on top - I know my brother loves the GIMP... If Avg. Joe can run his old, favorite programs through wine, and doesn't need to switch to something else, he'll be happy. The fact that it runs on an old PC is good, as is the (possible) security offered by AOLinux, if such a beastie is ever to be born.
I've used Netscape (6.2) in windows, and mozilla, from which it is based, on win2K and win9X. Netscape/Moz is better, IE just crashes more. Now i know that's my opinion, but it is something to counter your exaggerations.
If you need compatible chat clients, just get an account and use Gaim or Jabber or Imici or Trillian (so far Trill is win-only, i am not sure what your rant is about there).
I take special issue with you bashing winamp. It's always been a major player in the mp3 game. People told me when i was a newbie, to play mp3's, use winamp. I tried out several, including realjukebox and some others....they were buggy and stupid. Winamp just was smaller, stabler, and supported playlisting better. That's what all the people I know have to say. Name some that are superior...better yet, HEY SLASHDOT PEOPLE! Let's have a Poll - best free MP3/ogg/wav/cd player...
You say that AOL pushes technology...then 2 lines downy you say they care nothing for technology, just money. Look. if AOL buys Red Hat, and puts money into it, and more code goes back into Linux, power to them. it's not like they can just ignore the GPL. They want to challenge windows. Fine. if AOL can make an OS that is open-source/secure/stable and as common as windows, well I say power to them.
- Dave
If peopled didn't buy from the big guys like Dell, HP, Compaq, and gateway, I would love it. I build PC's for fun, I just got done with building one for my uncle. I checked prices against Dell, he checked against gateway - we were both really happy. He can pretty much do it himself now, and I had fun - wish all my friends would come to me for stuff like this - i'd do it free I love it so much. Or charge them a pizza or something like that...The fact is that a lot of the time, small guys who use Pricewatch are much (as in 30%) cheaper...
- dave
nice touch with google - i had this imagery of a whole office full of Microsoft people frantically trying to come up with something about "security"
... on an interesting rabbit trail, how far down does it take to find "linux" in the google search for security? Both Microsoft and Social Security are above anything linux-ey...oh well. Those MS guys will just have to work harder.
- dave
a) - You are right - IE still crashes my systems (in windows, of course...), but mozilla, when it crashes, leaves windows alone just fine...and it's laughable to watch me try and middle-click to open a new page in IE. I still curse that little move-thingy. arg. Mozilla is awesome for win, and in linux it's pretty good too.
b) - streaming audio - does it really matter? everyone I know who needs audio uses p2p. Internet radio is dying. what else is there? seriously, I just don't know, and i'm curious if there is anything.
c) - A friend of mine runs apache in win98. A lot of people use it. Wait until 2.0, or read this slashdot article if you don't believe me. I agree with the parent i'm replying to. MS hasn't done too much to impress me with their internet stuff. It's mostly bloated and insecure.
- dave
Please someone explain to me what this means (from the first document), Bill is answering:
15 Q. Do you use a computer at home?
16 A. Yes, I do.
17 Q. Do you use that on work-related
18 matters?
19 A. Some of the computers I do and some of
20 the computers I don't.
21 Q. Do you know whether those computers
22 were searched in connection with a document search in
23 this litigation?
24 A. Those computers don't have storage.
25 Q. But you don't know whether the hard
8
1 disk was searched for any material that might be
2 there that --
3 A. You should understand it's a portable
4 computer, it moves back and forth. That's the
5 computer with my e-mail, it moves back and forth. So
6 it's the same computer in my office as at home.
7 Q. I see, okay. And I assume the computer
8 in your office was searched for relevant e-mails; is
9 that your understanding?
10 A. Yes.
No storage? Huh? Back and forth? It's late...anybody make sense of that?
- dave
Well, I think it's funny.
Ok, since someone doesn't get it (right now i see Overrated=2),
Porn star concentrating on plot. Microsoft concentrating on security. Both would be amazing turnarounds, but are _extremely_ unlikely and would be slightly ironic. Hence, humor. I don't think it would help Ron Jeremy's career any, but we'll see what happens to good ol' MS.
- dave
I think you are wrong. If LE claims that oracle is perfect, as long as his claim holds people are tempted to believe it. given enough time, people become convinced - there is no counter-evidence. People will switch to a product that is commonly believed to be unbreakable. But when something like this happens, and it breaks Oracle's record, and Larry's "embarassment" becomes loss of confidence in an "unbreakable" product and loss of possible market share in the future.
- dave
I hadn't heard that either, i just knew from other people talking about Oracle that it was supposed to be good.
By the way, here is where i've been living
It's not quite the same as crashing your car and dying. Computer crashes aren't fatal - but that doesn't mean that they don't cost anything. The article mentioned that holes in IIS were worth $2B due to Nimda and Code Red.
So what do we do? Should we get "computer insurance," where your losses are covered by a policy, with deductibles and everything? Programs are not cars, or guns, or hot coffee - they are broken naturally, and nearly impossible to perfect - especially for something as big as an OS. But I think there is room for liability - and perhaps computer insurance isn't such a stupid idea...i like the idea of lower premiums for my historically more secure linux system - that would be an interesting future.
But I don't like the idea of unlimited liability - society has too many fools suing these days anyway. Care is necessary, if legal policy is to be changed. Freely distributed code should not be treated the same as an OS for sale, one that promises to be the most secure and stable yet - I do not know what a good liability system would look like, but I shudder at the kinds of lawsuits that i can imagine. Any good ideas?
There are people who listen when I tell them about the alternatives. Every time a new MS virus, a BSOD, or another of your friendly Microsoft bugs comes up, I mention to some of the person(s) involved that there are alternatives, be it Mozilla, OpenOffice, or even full-blown linux install. These products have advantages (other than being free) that the Microsoft "de facto" standards just don't have, tabbed browsing comes to mind for Mozilla.
These things aren't for everyone. But a lot of my CS friends here at MSU, my girlfriend, and my brothers (who are budding computer geeks like me) know that there are alternatives. It takes patience and care, and you have to really believe that the stuff is better, but Microsoft does give you plenty of ammo. You just have to wait for it.
And in the small-end market, hasn't it always been the Duron's that beat the Celeron's, especially with AthlonFP technology... -dave
Your using the word 'description' lit the proverbial light bulb -
Let's say I want to describe my car. I say, "my car," which 'compresses' the idea of my car, really really well, but there is no way to get back to my car. It's like some compression ideas that were suggested, really really good compression, just no way to 'get back.'
Now, let's say I use more description - "1990 geo storm hatchback." It still doesn't work, because there are cars like it out there - we still don't have the complete idea of my car. In fact - to completely describe my car, I would need to describe every atom on it - so compression would seem to be impossible, my car is too random, as all real objects are, to be compressed.
What compression does, is it describes an object A in another object, B. The description must be complete, otherwise there is loss. That is how JPEG's and MP3's work - they knock out some of the 'unimportant' data. The data 'we can't see.' But we don't want that on data, we want lossless compression.
Back to my car - real world objects could be 'compressed' by a complete description, that is exact in its detail but includes patterns to model the object - probably using shape descriptions to model panels and engines, describing one basic piston, and then including each piston's differences from my basic piston description. In this way, the entire car could be described, with no loss to the original, complete idea.
Hope this helps - thinking about it this way kinda sorted it out, for me.
he probably didn't want to. this is slashdot, you can say a** if you don't want to say ass, too.
Ok, slap me if i'm wrong, but I've had IE pop up a dialog box that says "do you want to do X, click yes or no" and it does something based on yes or no. What happened to me was, I was browsing around for emulators and roms, and I got kicked to a porn site and a million pop-ups. One of them had a grey IE yes/no dialog pop-up, which said, "do you want to download our nifty porn browser?" I said no. It apparenlty downloaded something...because when I rebooted (just to kill all 35 pop-ups) I had a new virus, and I never once hit Open File. it was a neat little bugger, every time you hit a key it would send backspace and a letter of a character string to the output. so...
I type: "www.slashdot.com"
and it types: "I am F%^king GAY!!!"
I thought it was interesting that it had gotten on my computer without my knowledge...I don't open files I don't trust and maybe it was another exploit of IE, I don't know. But it got on there somehow...of course, this type of thing makes the current bug pointless, right?
This just made me think of something. Probably the reason that windows gets such crap in the registry is because there are billions of apps that use the reg. if Linux/BSD/whatever had the number of apps that win9x does, maybe they would screw with some configuration files too?
dude...link that info! I would be very interested to read that, as an longtime fighter of the xbox (both because I love/trust Nintendo and Miyamoto, and because, well...I don't want to see consoles dominated by one company. for long, anyways.)
what is the public perception of the console market now? That it's about even, right? well gamecube's have sold 2X the amount of Xbox's, by some estimates (check yahoo/reuters), and Xbox's seem to have less total inventory (300K xbox's, 700K gamecubes). Does public perception really reflect this? perhaps...but i suspect that word of mouth is more prevalent than #'s of consoles sold...i.e. "Smash brothers Melee is 10X more fun than that Odysee game!" or something like that...for most people...because they dont' try to stay informed. I do, and I suspect you do, as do most /.'ers, but joe person might not.
A second idea: what if all the linux heads use Xbox's for linux (until MS's EULA tries to prevent that, ha!) and we buy up all this cheap pc hardware, leaving less consoles for actual gamers. So less consoles to play games on...less sales...MS failure.
Add up the total cash microsoft sends to nvidia, seagate, intel, etc., etc., I doubt that they are making any mass profits off of their xbox. read what thomas pabst has to say. They are just like any other console maker, only they have more cash to throw around. it's typical Microsoft strategy...use surplus cash to drive out competetion, establish monopoly, raise prices. At least, recently. Take IE for example. Spend mucho dinero on a browser, try to make it nice, give it away free (and automatically install it with your new OS) and wait...soon no one will pay for another browser, and the others that people have to get get some other way will be unpopular as soon as they make a mistake or two, because they require more work (and are less familiar, because they don't work just like your file explorer does...hmmm).
Replying to myself:
Or, upon reading the AP article, what about a newspaper that you buy and then keep for a week, downloading the news each day, and getting a new one when your old paper rips or something? I'm assuming that since it is paper it must be cheap enought to be sold like paper, or at least an approximately similar price...so a video-newspaper does sound like a spiffy idea.
Or you could just slap it on a PDA and make them thinner...
-dave
Sure, eventually you could use this for a simulation-room (aka holodeck)'s walls. but what about something useful now, like a tv-screen you can fold up, or maybe displays that you can use anywhere, wherever a regular monitor type wouldn't work, where it had to be compressible (spy stuff) or something. We might not see real video-paper yet, but I bet we see it in a spy film soon.
-Dave