Very well put Zero, I cannot believe that you have only been given a (Score:1). It is really strange but so many people seem to conveniently forget the fact that Bush has been very unwilling to negotiate with the Talibans, who up to this point have done *nothing* illegal.
I am all for punishing the people responsible for the Sept 11 events but, you cant simply go around muscling governments who have asked for dialogue and negotiation. What is the evidence that has been shown to Tony B and others that *cannot* be shown to the Taliban government?
Personally my opinion of this whole mess, is that the "Coalition" is playing into the hands of the terrorists. The US military bombing the shit outta a country that has nothing and the media reporting it all only causes sympathy for the Talibans. Having Red Cross warehouses blown up multiple times doesn't help either......
That fundamental (I hate that word, it should be swapped with orthodox) Moslem government was losing power/popularity anyway and now it is *gaining* support, especially from neighbour sympathisers.....not good.
You are right, a policy of "political, legal, diplomatic and financial means." *is* the way to approach it. Something has to be done.
Tom would probably recommend you run an Intel Pentium 4 complete with *no* fan at all. Voila! The sound of silence:)
On a more serious and informative note, regulars of/. would be well recommended to have a look at Dans Data (http://www.dansdata.com/), as he loves heatsinks/fans/coolers to the point of obsession.
Just a thought about quiet PCs. If the weight of a box is not too much of a problem, then lining the case with a car audio sound deadening may be an option.
For example example Dynamat (http://www.dynamat.com/), has a range of sheets that are normally used to line car panels. These not only adsorb sound but heat also. So why not??
That way you can have as many fans as you want in a system and barely hear them:)
Fan that can move comparable amount of hot air but with less RPMs means a quieter machine:)
Personally my fans are the main source of noise in my home machines. I am in the process of looking for quiet case fans and will most definitely get a quieter CPU fan too.
I am quite surprised at your CPU being 5F cooler though.....thought it would be far higher. Does your case have a lot of fans in it already, or do you have a low power unit like VIA's C3??
So after picking up a Harry P book from London Paddington train station (well you need someting to while away the hours waiting for your delayed train...). Obviously I chose the alternative "adult" cover and began reading.
Yes it was as good as every says. Its strange but the only experience I could equate it to was when I was a small boy reading Roald Dahl. The whole setting (locations, magic, kids, evil-doers etc) was uncannily similar in feel:)
Go on, dive in, its only a couple of dollars/pounds/lire/peseta/yuan etc!
Ah...no wonder:) You is a shell man! Nothing will please you then:P
Since BeOS 5 is free now (well the Personal version), if you get the chance then download it and be pleasantly surprised. Admittedly unless you paid for the Pro version of 5 that the installation sans Windows was a bit wacky, but it can be done! Check out BeTips http://www.betips.net for instructions:)
Thing is that the GUI, I still feel, is much better than anything else......its quite sad really....Luna is a mess, OsX feels unfinished and Gnome/KDE are buggy....
Hmmmmm I am surprised that you didnt like the LnF. Most people I have shown it too just "got it" almost instantly. I keep a copy on machine just to remind me how nice it is. Why you no like it?
Yeah, completely agreed about the way BeOS handles itself when you start to drain system resources:)
Personally I hope one of the Be impersonators can emulate/rewrite both aspects.....
The indie act that spawned Daft Punk, had a guitarist who left to form his own band. Branco started the indescribable "Phoenix" (well OK, West Coast American FM pop rock, power pop thrash, jazz rock country).
Check out their excellent album "United" for some amazingly fresh sounds and see how the influences that shaped DP can also be found (Funky Square Dance!). This album should be a mess, but its instead superb.
I meant multiple networks in terms of taking my machine and sticking it into my company's various docking stations positioned all over different sites (obviously each with their own networks). *sigh* Hardware profiles are a git.......Sometimes for projects the machines are not even powered off and are simply left running.....try that with L and all those hardware probing daemons will through a fit.....
To be honest powersaving (hibernation especially) has been really screwy for me. It just doesnt work....I think it has something to do with the BIOS' own options, but I just know that Win2K does it fine so I can only conclude 2 things,
"Damn crossovers from BA degrees that think they are real administrators!! Sorry, I am beginning to rant again.. accept my apologies and read something else.
"
No I wont accept your apologies, you have nothing to apologise about. Even moreso I am sick and tired of the so called "consultancies" sending in teams of Arts degree monkeys and passing them off as consultant. Bloody EYCG, Accenture et all drive me mad. Pay them outrageous rates for you to train *them* on your live systems.
All they are, are bloody glorified salesmen. If anyone ever thinks about calling in any of these cowboys, dont. If you have to, then insist on CVs of all the team they send in and reject anyone with a BA degree and less than 12 months experience. All you get at the end is a bloody CD with a Powerpoint presentation on it.....
I get your pont Bert, but the comment included "multiple network environments, hardware configurations, and going in and out of suspend and hibernate. ".
When Linux can support hot plug-and-play, multiple networks, and decent powersaving features then I will fully convert. Too often Linux advocates compare a fixed, dedicated system which inherently have a better uptime. I am assuming yours is for development work?
Whereas I am in a similar situation with the Win2K user as I need my machine for business use where Linux simply does not have the features required:(
Regards,
Po
ps. my home PC running Debian is going strong over a year, and when I return home from travelling (in Feb) it will be 2 years:)
Completely agreed, I bought one in 1995 (from the now closed UK setup), and I had 2 monitor replacements, one CD (a blistering 4X) and a failed keyboard. All in one month.
Last year I decided to give them another spin, this time it was one of their Astro models (very cute) and it was knackered straight out of the box. Great.
Insult to injury was their "group conference" phone support, where about half a dozen people simultaneously hassle an ignorant support technician. In nearly all the cases, all us customers ended up sorting each others problems!
Regards,
Po
ps. they have nice boxes, manuals, and mousemats though:)
Well are you aware that the car only looks so good because it is actually it is actually British in origin. 1961, Carroll Shelby proposes to Ford that he would like to install one of Ford's engines into an AC Ace and market it in the US.
Based on a thinwall cast-iron Ford V8 engine, it was a very, very powerful....still makes gives me goose-pimples when I hear one. AC's Turner was charged with stressing and strengthening the chassis to take the strain and the additional weight of the monster.
Possibly the most important design elements, being the rear brake configuration and the suspension (type and geometry), were actually engineered by Turner and the technicians of Ford Motor Company.
It is actually a common view that the American Phil Remington was "the man*. Apparently he was a mechanical genius car builder and more technically astute than nearly anyone at Ford. Shelby may have had the vision to do the transplant but not the "nous":)
Dont believe me? Go look at the AC Cobra badge....can see the little "AC" on it??
Back in those days British motorways did not have speed limits, and car builders use to test their race cars on them!!! The combination of US power and British style meant that the car was good for over 200MPH!!!! The end result is that now we have 70MPH limit thanks to the Cobra!
A class example of US/British working together.
Besides the true essence of a sports car is the looks that go with the performance and also an ability to be completely unpractical and unreliable:)
Regards,
Po
ps. Talking of Fords, I used to work for a company where one the managers had a Le Mans GT40, not a replica, but a real one!!!
No doubt my mail account will soon be bombarded with mail order offers for ginuwine titles like "Grand Vizier of the Brotherhood of Jedi" or something. Great.
Look you really need to learn to read people's posts. Innovative as in games. I never mentioned platforms. *sigh* Take all that crap you pulled out off the PS2 brochure (yes I have it too remember) and you are left with not a great deal.
If you wanna argue innovative, how about a liquid cooled system with a Super RISC processor that runs at VGA@24 bit colour. A graphics chipset featuring perspective-correct texture mapping, bi/trilinear/anisotropic mip-map filtering,
Gouraud shading, Z-buffer, colored light sourcing FSAA with hardware based, fog, bump mapping, and texture compression and shadow/light volumes. Yeah pretty innovative to me......first on the market you know?
How about a harware accelerated 64 voice Yamaha sound chip too? Or would you like to add a built in modem, broadband adapter, keyboard, mouse, guns, VGA box, and now Linux too! (well its been out a while really). Thats not even including the VMU unit.....Heck how about the fishing rod and maracas too!
Mate I could argue specs with you all day but I wont bother, you offer nothing but diatribe. Yes PS2 is more technically advanced, but more innovative? No chance. It is only more advanced as it is newer.......but not much better.....its *meant* to be more advanced. Not that much more innovative is it really? The only addition to the pad *was* pressure sensing......*sigh* I dont know why I am wasting my time.....
50 games and then you decided you didnt like the platform, more fool you. Or were they all "backups"??
Yes Ico is nice. Get over it. It isnt the final word in gaming. I am waiting for Nintendo Gamecube and Miyamoto-San to surprise me......
Its quite funny reading your post, but you appear not to like games where you actually have to invest time and effort into achieving anything. Shenmue's whole point *is* discovery and as for Spy Hunter having licences, well you would have just *hated* GT1 and GT2 wouldnt you?? Or do you only play in Arcade Mode in Gran Tourismo games??
Yes I have one too and it really aint all its cracked up to be. In fact it isnt even any good for playing DVDs.....still it glows a nice colour and I can play GT3 on it.
Well if you put it in those conditions, then I would have to agree with you. But I still maintain that there may be more to it, so lets the guy answer for himself:)
Well if you read my post you will see my mention of games by EA:) So let me see, you have named me 3 rehashes so far nice (did Silent Hill make its release by the way??)
Oh I forgot Onimusha.....isnt that the same game as Resident Evil/Dino Crisis?!?! Besides it aint exactly a gonna be a PS2 only game now is it (come to think of it neither is Silent Hill 2)??
Ico, yup looks nice....is that *your* list?? I played the demo and it feels like Prince of Persia to me. You ever play Shenmue??? Now that is an experience.....oops soon you will be able to, now that Sega have done the sensible thing and are now only making software:)
I will probably buy Ico when it comes out though, I have both systems and have my Gamecube arriving to the UK soon. But like a lot of my friends the PS2 just sits vertically looking pretty and really doing a whole lot more.....
So nothing innovative or original (that is out) at all eh?? Nice try. Next time try harder. 18 months is a bitch innit? Good thing I have other machines to play.
Actually this would be excellent.
With PC overclocking, there are stores which *guarantee* that a chip (usual Duron) can hit xxxxMHZ and have all the pins etc. soldered in.
Can any Mac people out there help with such a place?? Or is modifying Mr Job's machines like sacrilege for the one-button communite???:)
The controller has been oft complained about but in all honesty I quite like it:)
Thing is that initially it feels quite stiff and awkward (for example hitting the diagonals on the digital cross). But after a while the whole controller *loosens* up! Admittedly it happens when the sticks and the buttons have become polished smooth, but it feels so nice then:) Then compare it to a "fresh" controller and you will see what I mean.
Other great controllers of course have to include the N64 which is amazingly well designed, PS dual-shock, and my favourites, the Saturn NiGHTS controller and the original Atari 2600 joystick once the rubber plunger was pulled off to reveal white plastic!
I was told that the reason it has CE was to avoid large import tariffs placed on electronic equipment like DVD/CD players, videos and hifi. By saying that it ran CE (not embedded) it could be classed as a computing device and so be excempt.
This is very important as price points are crucial when it comes to selling consoles:)
The thing about the PS2 is that is very difficult to program well enough to extract good performance. Contrast the huge number to PS1 games with whats out there for PS2. Then for another laugh, look at the number of crap titles for PS1.
The other problem with your argument is that the PS2 hasnt been out for months, it has been out for over 18months!!!! Launched in Feb/May 2000 in Japan. And we are still being promised some of the launch titles (Metal Gear??). Face it, the machine is expensive and hard to program. The quality and quantity of games shows this.....
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Very well put Zero, I cannot believe that you have only been given a (Score:1). It is really strange but so many people seem to conveniently forget the fact that Bush has been very unwilling to negotiate with the Talibans, who up to this point have done *nothing* illegal.
I am all for punishing the people responsible for the Sept 11 events but, you cant simply go around muscling governments who have asked for dialogue and negotiation. What is the evidence that has been shown to Tony B and others that *cannot* be shown to the Taliban government?
Personally my opinion of this whole mess, is that the "Coalition" is playing into the hands of the terrorists. The US military bombing the shit outta a country that has nothing and the media reporting it all only causes sympathy for the Talibans. Having Red Cross warehouses blown up multiple times doesn't help either......
That fundamental (I hate that word, it should be swapped with orthodox) Moslem government was losing power/popularity anyway and now it is *gaining* support, especially from neighbour sympathisers.....not good.
You are right, a policy of "political, legal, diplomatic and financial means." *is* the way to approach it. Something has to be done.
Regards,
Po
Buck,
:)
/. would be well recommended to have a look at Dans Data (http://www.dansdata.com/), as he loves heatsinks/fans/coolers to the point of obsession.
Tom would probably recommend you run an Intel Pentium 4 complete with *no* fan at all. Voila! The sound of silence
On a more serious and informative note, regulars of
Regards,
Po
Just a thought about quiet PCs. If the weight of a box is not too much of a problem, then lining the case with a car audio sound deadening may be an option.
:)
For example example Dynamat (http://www.dynamat.com/), has a range of sheets that are normally used to line car panels. These not only adsorb sound but heat also. So why not??
That way you can have as many fans as you want in a system and barely hear them
Regards,
Po
Fan that can move comparable amount of hot air but with less RPMs means a quieter machine :)
Personally my fans are the main source of noise in my home machines. I am in the process of looking for quiet case fans and will most definitely get a quieter CPU fan too.
I am quite surprised at your CPU being 5F cooler though.....thought it would be far higher. Does your case have a lot of fans in it already, or do you have a low power unit like VIA's C3??
Regards,
Po
Thats cause Macs dont run fast enough to generate heat :P Hehehehe....
Po
YeahI thought the same thing too.
:)
So after picking up a Harry P book from London Paddington train station (well you need someting to while away the hours waiting for your delayed train...). Obviously I chose the alternative "adult" cover and began reading.
Yes it was as good as every says. Its strange but the only experience I could equate it to was when I was a small boy reading Roald Dahl. The whole setting (locations, magic, kids, evil-doers etc) was uncannily similar in feel
Go on, dive in, its only a couple of dollars/pounds/lire/peseta/yuan etc!
Regards,
Po
Ah...no wonder :) You is a shell man! Nothing will please you then :P
:)
Since BeOS 5 is free now (well the Personal version), if you get the chance then download it and be pleasantly surprised. Admittedly unless you paid for the Pro version of 5 that the installation sans Windows was a bit wacky, but it can be done! Check out BeTips http://www.betips.net for instructions
Thing is that the GUI, I still feel, is much better than anything else......its quite sad really....Luna is a mess, OsX feels unfinished and Gnome/KDE are buggy....
Kind regards,
Po
Hmmmmm I am surprised that you didnt like the LnF. Most people I have shown it too just "got it" almost instantly. I keep a copy on machine just to remind me how nice it is. Why you no like it?
:)
Yeah, completely agreed about the way BeOS handles itself when you start to drain system resources
Personally I hope one of the Be impersonators can emulate/rewrite both aspects.....
Regards
Phoenix?
The indie act that spawned Daft Punk, had a guitarist who left to form his own band. Branco started the indescribable "Phoenix" (well OK, West Coast American FM pop rock, power pop thrash, jazz rock country).
Check out their excellent album "United" for some amazingly fresh sounds and see how the influences that shaped DP can also be found (Funky Square Dance!). This album should be a mess, but its instead superb.
Regards,
Po
Ack, you beat me to it Doc :P
Would love to Eric :)
:P
I meant multiple networks in terms of taking my machine and sticking it into my company's various docking stations positioned all over different sites (obviously each with their own networks). *sigh* Hardware profiles are a git.......Sometimes for projects the machines are not even powered off and are simply left running.....try that with L and all those hardware probing daemons will through a fit.....
To be honest powersaving (hibernation especially) has been really screwy for me. It just doesnt work....I think it has something to do with the BIOS' own options, but I just know that Win2K does it fine so I can only conclude 2 things,
1) Linux cant do it.
2) I am fick
More likely the latter
Regards,
Po
"Damn crossovers from BA degrees that think they are real administrators!! Sorry, I am beginning to rant again.. accept my apologies and read something else.
"
No I wont accept your apologies, you have nothing to apologise about. Even moreso I am sick and tired of the so called "consultancies" sending in teams of Arts degree monkeys and passing them off as consultant. Bloody EYCG, Accenture et all drive me mad. Pay them outrageous rates for you to train *them* on your live systems.
All they are, are bloody glorified salesmen. If anyone ever thinks about calling in any of these cowboys, dont. If you have to, then insist on CVs of all the team they send in and reject anyone with a BA degree and less than 12 months experience. All you get at the end is a bloody CD with a Powerpoint presentation on it.....
Grrrr grrrr!
See? Now you got me started on BAs. Shame on you.
Po.
I get your pont Bert, but the comment included "multiple network environments, hardware configurations, and going in and out of suspend and hibernate. ".
:(
:)
When Linux can support hot plug-and-play, multiple networks, and decent powersaving features then I will fully convert. Too often Linux advocates compare a fixed, dedicated system which inherently have a better uptime. I am assuming yours is for development work?
Whereas I am in a similar situation with the Win2K user as I need my machine for business use where Linux simply does not have the features required
Regards,
Po
ps. my home PC running Debian is going strong over a year, and when I return home from travelling (in Feb) it will be 2 years
Completely agreed, I bought one in 1995 (from the now closed UK setup), and I had 2 monitor replacements, one CD (a blistering 4X) and a failed keyboard. All in one month.
:)
Last year I decided to give them another spin, this time it was one of their Astro models (very cute) and it was knackered straight out of the box. Great.
Insult to injury was their "group conference" phone support, where about half a dozen people simultaneously hassle an ignorant support technician. In nearly all the cases, all us customers ended up sorting each others problems!
Regards,
Po
ps. they have nice boxes, manuals, and mousemats though
Ah I see......
:)
:)
Well are you aware that the car only looks so good because it is actually it is actually British in origin. 1961, Carroll Shelby proposes to Ford that he would like to install one of Ford's engines into an AC Ace and market it in the US.
Based on a thinwall cast-iron Ford V8 engine, it was a very, very powerful....still makes gives me goose-pimples when I hear one. AC's Turner was charged with stressing and strengthening the chassis to take the strain and the additional weight of the monster.
Possibly the most important design elements, being the rear brake configuration and the suspension (type and geometry), were actually engineered by Turner and the technicians of Ford Motor Company.
It is actually a common view that the American Phil Remington was "the man*. Apparently he was a mechanical genius car builder and more technically astute than nearly anyone at Ford. Shelby may have had the vision to do the transplant but not the "nous"
Dont believe me? Go look at the AC Cobra badge....can see the little "AC" on it??
Back in those days British motorways did not have speed limits, and car builders use to test their race cars on them!!! The combination of US power and British style meant that the car was good for over 200MPH!!!! The end result is that now we have 70MPH limit thanks to the Cobra!
A class example of US/British working together.
Besides the true essence of a sports car is the looks that go with the performance and also an ability to be completely unpractical and unreliable
Regards,
Po
ps. Talking of Fords, I used to work for a company where one the managers had a Le Mans GT40, not a replica, but a real one!!!
No doubt my mail account will soon be bombarded with mail order offers for ginuwine titles like "Grand Vizier of the Brotherhood of Jedi" or something. Great.
Po
Arjuna01,
Look you really need to learn to read people's posts. Innovative as in games. I never mentioned platforms. *sigh* Take all that crap you pulled out off the PS2 brochure (yes I have it too remember) and you are left with not a great deal.
If you wanna argue innovative, how about a liquid cooled system with a Super RISC processor that runs at VGA@24 bit colour. A graphics chipset featuring perspective-correct texture mapping, bi/trilinear/anisotropic mip-map filtering,
Gouraud shading, Z-buffer, colored light sourcing FSAA with hardware based, fog, bump mapping, and texture compression and shadow/light volumes. Yeah pretty innovative to me......first on the market you know?
How about a harware accelerated 64 voice Yamaha sound chip too? Or would you like to add a built in modem, broadband adapter, keyboard, mouse, guns, VGA box, and now Linux too! (well its been out a while really). Thats not even including the VMU unit.....Heck how about the fishing rod and maracas too!
Mate I could argue specs with you all day but I wont bother, you offer nothing but diatribe. Yes PS2 is more technically advanced, but more innovative? No chance. It is only more advanced as it is newer.......but not much better.....its *meant* to be more advanced. Not that much more innovative is it really? The only addition to the pad *was* pressure sensing......*sigh* I dont know why I am wasting my time.....
50 games and then you decided you didnt like the platform, more fool you. Or were they all "backups"??
Yes Ico is nice. Get over it. It isnt the final word in gaming. I am waiting for Nintendo Gamecube and Miyamoto-San to surprise me......
Its quite funny reading your post, but you appear not to like games where you actually have to invest time and effort into achieving anything. Shenmue's whole point *is* discovery and as for Spy Hunter having licences, well you would have just *hated* GT1 and GT2 wouldnt you?? Or do you only play in Arcade Mode in Gran Tourismo games??
Yes I have one too and it really aint all its cracked up to be. In fact it isnt even any good for playing DVDs.....still it glows a nice colour and I can play GT3 on it.
Po
Now you are being unfair Coward :P
Those controllers are *so* rated by players for their comfort and sublime touch.
Then again you are playing Party and I am assuming that you get just a wee bit worked up no??
Hehehe, as my friend used to say "its all about the way you hold and stroke them"
Po
:)
I hear ya man.
I never get tired of the look on peoples faces when I suggest something else apart from M$.
And I dont know if those people ever get use to my face when they tell me they dont like what I offered cause it doesnt *look* familiar.......
Regards,
Po
Well if you put it in those conditions, then I would have to agree with you. But I still maintain that there may be more to it, so lets the guy answer for himself :)
Regards,
Po
GT3?!?! *sigh* I asked for others.....
:) So let me see, you have named me 3 rehashes so far nice (did Silent Hill make its release by the way??)
:)
Well if you read my post you will see my mention of games by EA
Oh I forgot Onimusha.....isnt that the same game as Resident Evil/Dino Crisis?!?! Besides it aint exactly a gonna be a PS2 only game now is it (come to think of it neither is Silent Hill 2)??
Ico, yup looks nice....is that *your* list?? I played the demo and it feels like Prince of Persia to me. You ever play Shenmue??? Now that is an experience.....oops soon you will be able to, now that Sega have done the sensible thing and are now only making software
I will probably buy Ico when it comes out though, I have both systems and have my Gamecube arriving to the UK soon. But like a lot of my friends the PS2 just sits vertically looking pretty and really doing a whole lot more.....
So nothing innovative or original (that is out) at all eh?? Nice try. Next time try harder. 18 months is a bitch innit? Good thing I have other machines to play.
Po
Actually this would be excellent.
:)
With PC overclocking, there are stores which *guarantee* that a chip (usual Duron) can hit xxxxMHZ and have all the pins etc. soldered in.
Can any Mac people out there help with such a place?? Or is modifying Mr Job's machines like sacrilege for the one-button communite???
Regards,
Po
Hey Drink.
:)
:) Then compare it to a "fresh" controller and you will see what I mean.
The controller has been oft complained about but in all honesty I quite like it
Thing is that initially it feels quite stiff and awkward (for example hitting the diagonals on the digital cross). But after a while the whole controller *loosens* up! Admittedly it happens when the sticks and the buttons have become polished smooth, but it feels so nice then
Other great controllers of course have to include the N64 which is amazingly well designed, PS dual-shock, and my favourites, the Saturn NiGHTS controller and the original Atari 2600 joystick once the rubber plunger was pulled off to reveal white plastic!
Regards,
Po
I was told that the reason it has CE was to avoid large import tariffs placed on electronic equipment like DVD/CD players, videos and hifi. By saying that it ran CE (not embedded) it could be classed as a computing device and so be excempt.
:)
This is very important as price points are crucial when it comes to selling consoles
Po
The thing about the PS2 is that is very difficult to program well enough to extract good performance. Contrast the huge number to PS1 games with whats out there for PS2. Then for another laugh, look at the number of crap titles for PS1.
The other problem with your argument is that the PS2 hasnt been out for months, it has been out for over 18months!!!! Launched in Feb/May 2000 in Japan. And we are still being promised some of the launch titles (Metal Gear??). Face it, the machine is expensive and hard to program. The quality and quantity of games shows this.....
Po