I'm no linux expert, in fact for anything nontrivial I have to read howto's, man pages and whatnot. Yet, I have no problems at all using lilo. For a few times I forgot to rerun lilo after modifying lilo.conf and that is the only problem I had with it.
But since, on the MS-Windows platform, most of the games probably use DirectX anyway, there's not a whole lot more leverage needed on that front.
Sure, but how many console games are ported to windows? If XBox succeeds in gaining a good market share, more games will be avaliable for windows. At least porting costs would be considerably lower. This would also mean very short life for XBox, but would MS care if they make up that loss with windows (and PC) market share? I'm not sure, maybe they just want to kill appliances market. Maybe I'm becoming more and more/. guy who thinks MS is pure evil and its every action must be linked to a conspiracy for market domination.
It must be impossible to patch any linux installation if customized solutions are sooo hard to patch. Why would one wait for their OEM to move if they know a patch for one of the applications they are using is available? Download or apply only relevant parts of service packs, and you are done.
Most nuclear power plants that don't fail when their coolant pumps fail, most airplanes can land with majority (or all) of their engines shut down. The important keyword is "most", which means that these solutions are prefered to their alternatives. Doesn't sound too illogical to me. I've never seen an heatsink fall of, but I have seen thermal probes, or mobo logic monitoring thermal probes fail occasionally. I also have seen each and every fan - PS, vid card, HSF - I use fail in about 2 years (might be related to my chain smoking) which might be fatal when combined with temp reading failure. If P4 was not such an horrible chip, I would have bought one instead of athlon even if that meant a few more bucks or a bit less performance.
Even the definition you quoted does not say that (and it is not a good definition.) Implementation of a function is not the same thing as imitation of that function. E.g. every c library on earth has a printf function group, yet none is *emulating* a single printf function group of some other platform; they are *implementing* printf group according to a specification. WIN32API is a specification, not a library. Kernel and dll's of MS windows versions >95 implement that API, os/2 merlin and win32s library implement parts of it. It is no different than case with standart c libraries and printf functions. Wine implements win32api on *nix platforms, it does not emulate an existing implementation win32api.
A directx api implemented on linux does not have to be tied with the rest of windows api. It also does not have to be dynamically linked. Porting apps are easier if you already have target libraries on the new platform, and direct? are the most heavily used libraries for w32 games.
"So, in other words, WINE is a collection of libraries that duplicates the functionality of their Win32 counterparts: ie. an emulator."
Did I get you right? You essentially say "if library B duplicates functionality of library A, the library B is an emulator of library A." So what makes, say, Windows XP win32api libraries "native" rather than "emulation of windows 95"? There is some emulation in wine, like emulated registry, drive structure and a few minor other things, but wine can be used without those stuff and its core is definetly not an emulator.
Ever heard of European Union? Transportation is the only cost factor for imports within EU.In fact, it is not even called "import" as the whole EU is a single market.
That is different, a fan failure heats much lower than a heatsink MEF. All XP line should be able to handle that with proper bios options because: a) the processors use less power therefore slower to heat up b) thermal diodes are right in the cpu and temp reading is closer to reality.
Other guys have already told that all athlons can MP but that is not exactly true. Thunderbirds could work in a MP configuration but they did much worse than athlon MP's, sometimes even worse than single thunderbirds. So what I really wonder is how well these XPs work under SMP. I guess, since it is the same core now, there would be little or no difference in performance, but there might be issues about stability. Anyone read about XPs in SMP configuration yet?
"Do it while Microsoft keeps getting bad press." Don't worry microsoft has been getting bad press for years and probably will for the forseeable future.
> As a member of the military, I have no problem with what is going on. These guys have spit in our face, then smiled. So now we're going to punch them in their collective mouths. I love this country, and I hate to see it pushed around. I have no problem risking my life to do this.
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Well, as a member of military, that is your job, but what about the civilians? In a war, people from both sides die...in a war where USA is not one of the sides that is. What was american civilian loss to wars in the last century? what was american military personnel loss in the last ten years? From all conflicts, US has managed to get away without deaths. This time it will be different. You will probably save your ass again but terrorists will start targetting civilians all around US. Even if you could stop Ladin and taleban, it will be of little help. A more sensible approach would be going after individual cells, finances of terrorism, gather more intelligence about their activities etc. Was a month enough to find all terrorist that could potentially target US? If not, bombing of afganistan will only promote further attacks to US. They have well demonstrated that they can do plenty of damage, didn't they? This fireworks stuff is dumb, it will achive nothing. Terrorists that can do real damage are not where you are bombing now anyway. And more civilians from both sides will die in this foolish process. I can't see how anyone can back up this stunt. And no, I'm not a muslim either, although I live in a country where most of the population is.
I prefer KDE but I'm not really a convert. I installed both for a time until I decided KDE was better and I had no use for gnome. As for why I think KDE is better, I can't really give concrete reasons. The looks are worse, localization is better, customizability is a bit better, default terminal is better, default browser is better, rpm manager is worse...but no real big differences between the two. I'll install KDE at work for the simple reason that its office suit and desktop can be configured to look quite like windows, to which folks at my company are used to.
I don't know what an icon server is, that is why I "missed":) Is it technically possible to prelink some commonly used programs using idle time? the first application start after kde start seq. would suffer but on average it may pay.
Or did they just not made into press release? Kde 2.2.1 rocks but a bit more speed & responsiveness would be nice. I hope kde guys can achive something like the speed change from 2.1 to 2.2.1.
If the free version arrived earlier, I think it wouldn't have hurt this much. In any case, after c++ compiler is introduced things may look much better.
Even if your compiler did fpu ops in no time, it wouldn't get much better. Of 16 seconds completion time with 3dnow! and 17 seconds with normal fpu, 12 seconds is used for memory accesses. So, if you isolate the fpu operations, your compiler is doing 570% better than hand optimized borland code and 950% better than compiler optimized borland code. Now tell me how to do operations without operands and I'll give your compiler credit for 950% speedup...
I have 1.2.1, I just haven't benchmarked it yet. Chances are until I check intel's compiler I won't. Those result might not be indicative of your expected perforance but performance on my program is what counts for me (notice that values are given for a specific code snippet and I did not claim to have done extensive benchmarking.) Memory reads in terms of bytes for 64 bit and 32 bit precision conditions are same, that might be leading you to think something is wrong with my values. Also, I'm registered and do ask my questions if they appear.
Although an open-source alternative is likely if vectorc does well on linux, I don't think that alternative will be gcc. There is no shortage of talented gcc developers now and almost everyone is complaining about performance of gcc. Yet gcc is not improving performance-wise. My guestimate is its performance sucks because of its basic design and cannot be substantially improved without drastic changes. Source->Intermediate language translation in gcc is focused on being free of any ties to a specific platform so that porting and cross-compiling is easy. Not all optimizations can be done after intermediate language is produced. I might be wrong about *what* is wrong with gcc's basic design.
Vectorc guys, I get the impression you don't know what you are producing:)
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Latest (relased) Borland compiler, full optimizations on: 142
Hand optimized c code (according to athlon optimization guide) with latest (relased)borland compiler, full optimizations on: 100 (ref)
Vectorc 1.1 demo single precision 3dnow!, optimization hints: 46
Vectorc 1.1 demo, double precision x87: 48
Real code snippet from a real application. Do I have to say more? Normally one wouldn't use a borland suite for high performance critical code, but not everyone can afford to have a high-tech scientific compiler.
you are right on double precision thing, but that is not all vectorc does. scheulding is much better than alternatives (remider: I haven't yet tested intel's compiler) and software prefetching, cpu dependent cache management etc. are also important factors. I experienced huge speedups with double precision x87 code on my benchmarks too. Actually if you are not using the same values over and over such that you can keep them in registers for a long time, 3dnow! is only a bit faster than x87 code on athlon. Cache managment and instruction scheulding is all that counts under moderate data loads.
I guess you misunderstood the way vectorc works. You can just compile the code usual way, or as a preferred alternative you can start interactive optimizer which allows you to see what asm code C code produces with various optimization options while editing C code. The interactive optimizer (at least my demo version) do not allow you to edit asm, it just helps you to see where suboptimal code is produced and why, so you can change either C code or compiler options to produce faster code.
gcc is very slow on intel/amd. It is pointless to even compare (nevertheless, I did. gcc 2.95 is sloooow. gcc 3.x is even slower on my matrix multiplication function.) The real competition is between intel compiler and vectorc.
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I'm no linux expert, in fact for anything nontrivial I have to read howto's, man pages and whatnot. Yet, I have no problems at all using lilo. For a few times I forgot to rerun lilo after modifying lilo.conf and that is the only problem I had with it.
XBox will probably be used to increase directx games' market share and will help OS domination.
It must be impossible to patch any linux installation if customized solutions are sooo hard to patch. Why would one wait for their OEM to move if they know a patch for one of the applications they are using is available? Download or apply only relevant parts of service packs, and you are done.
256TB at 2032? 512PB makes more sense, even for gates family.
Most nuclear power plants that don't fail when their coolant pumps fail, most airplanes can land with majority (or all) of their engines shut down. The important keyword is "most", which means that these solutions are prefered to their alternatives. Doesn't sound too illogical to me. I've never seen an heatsink fall of, but I have seen thermal probes, or mobo logic monitoring thermal probes fail occasionally. I also have seen each and every fan - PS, vid card, HSF - I use fail in about 2 years (might be related to my chain smoking) which might be fatal when combined with temp reading failure. If P4 was not such an horrible chip, I would have bought one instead of athlon even if that meant a few more bucks or a bit less performance.
Even the definition you quoted does not say that (and it is not a good definition.) Implementation of a function is not the same thing as imitation of that function. E.g. every c library on earth has a printf function group, yet none is *emulating* a single printf function group of some other platform; they are *implementing* printf group according to a specification. WIN32API is a specification, not a library. Kernel and dll's of MS windows versions >95 implement that API, os/2 merlin and win32s library implement parts of it. It is no different than case with standart c libraries and printf functions. Wine implements win32api on *nix platforms, it does not emulate an existing implementation win32api.
A directx api implemented on linux does not have to be tied with the rest of windows api. It also does not have to be dynamically linked. Porting apps are easier if you already have target libraries on the new platform, and direct? are the most heavily used libraries for w32 games.
"So, in other words, WINE is a collection of libraries that duplicates the functionality of their Win32 counterparts: ie. an emulator." Did I get you right? You essentially say "if library B duplicates functionality of library A, the library B is an emulator of library A." So what makes, say, Windows XP win32api libraries "native" rather than "emulation of windows 95"? There is some emulation in wine, like emulated registry, drive structure and a few minor other things, but wine can be used without those stuff and its core is definetly not an emulator.
Ever heard of European Union? Transportation is the only cost factor for imports within EU.In fact, it is not even called "import" as the whole EU is a single market.
That is different, a fan failure heats much lower than a heatsink MEF. All XP line should be able to handle that with proper bios options because: a) the processors use less power therefore slower to heat up b) thermal diodes are right in the cpu and temp reading is closer to reality.
Which will go something like "Pentium HM 2/3" (HM for "honest marketing.") for all P4 line.
Other guys have already told that all athlons can MP but that is not exactly true. Thunderbirds could work in a MP configuration but they did much worse than athlon MP's, sometimes even worse than single thunderbirds. So what I really wonder is how well these XPs work under SMP. I guess, since it is the same core now, there would be little or no difference in performance, but there might be issues about stability. Anyone read about XPs in SMP configuration yet?
"Do it while Microsoft keeps getting bad press." Don't worry microsoft has been getting bad press for years and probably will for the forseeable future.
> As a member of the military, I have no problem with what is going on. These guys have spit in our face, then smiled. So now we're going to punch them in their collective mouths. I love this country, and I hate to see it pushed around. I have no problem risking my life to do this. (someone please tell me how to format these messages..) Well, as a member of military, that is your job, but what about the civilians? In a war, people from both sides die...in a war where USA is not one of the sides that is. What was american civilian loss to wars in the last century? what was american military personnel loss in the last ten years? From all conflicts, US has managed to get away without deaths. This time it will be different. You will probably save your ass again but terrorists will start targetting civilians all around US. Even if you could stop Ladin and taleban, it will be of little help. A more sensible approach would be going after individual cells, finances of terrorism, gather more intelligence about their activities etc. Was a month enough to find all terrorist that could potentially target US? If not, bombing of afganistan will only promote further attacks to US. They have well demonstrated that they can do plenty of damage, didn't they? This fireworks stuff is dumb, it will achive nothing. Terrorists that can do real damage are not where you are bombing now anyway. And more civilians from both sides will die in this foolish process. I can't see how anyone can back up this stunt. And no, I'm not a muslim either, although I live in a country where most of the population is.
I prefer KDE but I'm not really a convert. I installed both for a time until I decided KDE was better and I had no use for gnome. As for why I think KDE is better, I can't really give concrete reasons. The looks are worse, localization is better, customizability is a bit better, default terminal is better, default browser is better, rpm manager is worse...but no real big differences between the two. I'll install KDE at work for the simple reason that its office suit and desktop can be configured to look quite like windows, to which folks at my company are used to.
I don't know what an icon server is, that is why I "missed" :) Is it technically possible to prelink some commonly used programs using idle time? the first application start after kde start seq. would suffer but on average it may pay.
Or did they just not made into press release? Kde 2.2.1 rocks but a bit more speed & responsiveness would be nice. I hope kde guys can achive something like the speed change from 2.1 to 2.2.1.
If the free version arrived earlier, I think it wouldn't have hurt this much. In any case, after c++ compiler is introduced things may look much better.
Even if your compiler did fpu ops in no time, it wouldn't get much better. Of 16 seconds completion time with 3dnow! and 17 seconds with normal fpu, 12 seconds is used for memory accesses. So, if you isolate the fpu operations, your compiler is doing 570% better than hand optimized borland code and 950% better than compiler optimized borland code. Now tell me how to do operations without operands and I'll give your compiler credit for 950% speedup...
I have 1.2.1, I just haven't benchmarked it yet. Chances are until I check intel's compiler I won't. Those result might not be indicative of your expected perforance but performance on my program is what counts for me (notice that values are given for a specific code snippet and I did not claim to have done extensive benchmarking.) Memory reads in terms of bytes for 64 bit and 32 bit precision conditions are same, that might be leading you to think something is wrong with my values. Also, I'm registered and do ask my questions if they appear.
Although an open-source alternative is likely if vectorc does well on linux, I don't think that alternative will be gcc. There is no shortage of talented gcc developers now and almost everyone is complaining about performance of gcc. Yet gcc is not improving performance-wise. My guestimate is its performance sucks because of its basic design and cannot be substantially improved without drastic changes. Source->Intermediate language translation in gcc is focused on being free of any ties to a specific platform so that porting and cross-compiling is easy. Not all optimizations can be done after intermediate language is produced. I might be wrong about *what* is wrong with gcc's basic design.
Vectorc guys, I get the impression you don't know what you are producing :)
[time to complete]
Latest (relased) Borland compiler, full optimizations on: 142
Hand optimized c code (according to athlon optimization guide) with latest (relased)borland compiler, full optimizations on: 100 (ref)
Vectorc 1.1 demo single precision 3dnow!, optimization hints: 46
Vectorc 1.1 demo, double precision x87: 48
Real code snippet from a real application. Do I have to say more? Normally one wouldn't use a borland suite for high performance critical code, but not everyone can afford to have a high-tech scientific compiler.
you are right on double precision thing, but that is not all vectorc does. scheulding is much better than alternatives (remider: I haven't yet tested intel's compiler) and software prefetching, cpu dependent cache management etc. are also important factors. I experienced huge speedups with double precision x87 code on my benchmarks too. Actually if you are not using the same values over and over such that you can keep them in registers for a long time, 3dnow! is only a bit faster than x87 code on athlon. Cache managment and instruction scheulding is all that counts under moderate data loads.
I guess you misunderstood the way vectorc works. You can just compile the code usual way, or as a preferred alternative you can start interactive optimizer which allows you to see what asm code C code produces with various optimization options while editing C code. The interactive optimizer (at least my demo version) do not allow you to edit asm, it just helps you to see where suboptimal code is produced and why, so you can change either C code or compiler options to produce faster code. gcc is very slow on intel/amd. It is pointless to even compare (nevertheless, I did. gcc 2.95 is sloooow. gcc 3.x is even slower on my matrix multiplication function.) The real competition is between intel compiler and vectorc.