Kids react the way they are taught, and this does nothing positive to reinforce positive reactions.
I agree... it showed that these kids have been taught nothing... not even by their parents.
If anything, it taught these kids that their teachers should not be trusted and will like to them for amusement.
Only the stupid ones (which most of them are, if I remember my teenage years). They would be full of self-inflated idiocy if they didn't treat the next, and every, potential gunman-on-campus situation as the real thing and get themselves to safety. Only a teenager would think something like "well, they lied to us last time so I'll show them and ignore them this time!" when a gunman-on-campus alert was called out.
Yeah, in a gun free zone you aren't allowed to run the hell away... Defending yourself isn't necessarily about meeting violence with violence. Defending yourself is attempting to not be subject to the violence, deflecting/absorbing the violence, or counterattack.
I read it in spurts... the places where text is, I read through quickly, then have a long pause for the space, then another quick spurt of text. Very annoying.
I don't let my workspace limit my creativity in any way. I'm able to output the same quality of work regardless of the environment.
Got some links to your data that you've gathered and your study of that data? How's about we put you in a 1m x 1m x 1m box and see how your creativity changes.
I know that being a Slashdot reader you rarely get past the first line of a post, but I thought the combination of
a) getting 'nothing to see here, move along' 2) the actual link being a blank page D) the article supposedly being about the 'lack of competition'
was funny because it was a blurb about nonexistent competition referencing a nonexistent article with a nonexistent thread to discuss it. That doesn't happen nearly as often as the 'simple nothing to see here joke'.
It's even better than that... it's PvP without risk to you 'main' character in any way. In fact, playing a creep can do nothing but benefit your main (you earn 'destiny points' by doing quests and such on your creep which you can spend on either your creep or your freep). Since you aren't playing with equipment on your creep, you don't even have to pay for equipment wear/tear. So, no loss in any way to your 'main' by participating in PvP and you can actually gain on your 'main'. Sounds like a pretty good system, in theory, we'll see how it pans out.
Unfortunately, in many of the areas they plan to distribute these things, they'll be "many laptops per warlord" where the warlord will just gather them up and sell them on the black market or something for money to buy other stuff with (weapons) or use them himself for any number of things, including helping him run his organization better (communication to field troops, watching the weather, etc.).
Alternatively, we'll probably see many of them sold, by the same person who received them in the first place, to buy food or some other short term necessity.
First, that's a poor definition of "object" - second, I can pass non-text data from one function to another with no prob.
Yes, you absolutely can. One difference, though, is that passing 'objects' also lets you pass behaviour, along with that non-text data, from function to function in the shell.
Well... many times, what I need to do is loop over the container and remove elements that meet certain criteria from it that I want to process, for example. But you can't do that. You have to loop over the container and add those to another container (the process-and-remove-these container). Then, when you're done, you then must loop over the process-and-remove-these container and remove them from the original container. Additionally, to clean up you have to either use the process-and-remove-these container as a queue or stack to remove those elements or just let the GC clean it up.
Similarly with adds... loop over the container and add anything you want to add to the add-these-later container, then after you're done with the first loop, loop over the add-these-later container to add to the original.
The problem is that you have to do that *every* time you iterate and want to modify the contents of any container.
It would be nice to get a snapshot of the container in your iterator that you could loop over and still allow insertions/deletions from the original container.
Alternatively, you can copy your container, loop through your copy and apply the insertions/removals to the original container as you come to them.
It isn't a big deal, it's just extra coding that you have to write fairly often (or at least, I do frequently). But you do have to create/destroy a fair number of objects (some may be fairly heavy weight) just to iterate over a container and do something with it that could otherwise be pretty easy as long as you were capable of handling the synchronization issues yourself and you honored the contract of knowing that an addition/removal from the original collection would not be reflected in the snapshot iterator (one-way iteration).
So your only real beef was that it wasn't 'cross platform' enough for you? I've written both Java and C# and I can definitely tell you which one I think has better development tools and is easier to develop in (and it ain't Java), is pretty fast, etc. One complaint that I do have is that some of the underlying class libraries could have been implemented better... for example, iterating through a collection prevents you from modifying that collection. I can understand a very simple implementation prohibiting this but a reasonable implementation would let you, IMO. However, you can work around this without too much trouble.
One thing about games is that they go in and out of style... will the kids want to keep playing DDR since it's kind of out of style now and will surely be in another two years or so?
Yup... lawyers and lawsuits have done more to cause this incident than anything else. Just as we saw a couple weeks ago, a teacher called the cops to break up a fight between middle-schoolers rather than try to do anything to stop it on her own. Do something like push them apart and then they file a lawsuit against you for 'hurting them'. These days, to prevent yourself from being sued, it's best to stay out of any situation where you might receive blame for anything and just let the police deal with it.
I popped a staple into a guy's arm (he was a bully) with a stapler through his leather jacket such that he needed to snatch his jacket to pop it out, at school, because he was bothering me while I was talking to my mother on the phone (telling her I needed a ride home from her). Nothing ever became of it because he knew he was in the wrong and he went on about his business and I mine. Of course, he called me some names under his breath, but that was about it.
Yes, for me it didn't happen as a conscious decision. I think it was mostly because I was exposed to family members and friends who were various ages up to 10 years older than me on a daily basis. My microcosm of a world wasn't limited to only the people I encountered at school. I had interests outside of school, mostly outdoors like hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, and the like, but some AD&D and the like, and of course computers entered in a big way early on, too. With all that going on, school was just a sidenote in my life during that time. I couldn't wait to get home so I could hurry up right back outside to go fishing or ride motorbikes or something. I got picked on a lot early on but I got into a huge fight one day and that was pretty much the end of it. I even became somewhat friends with some of my previous 'tormentors'. I can imagine that if you have no life outside of school and getting beat up and stuff, you won't be able to imagine anything outside of it.
Maybe it was just written with a bunch of text-speak in it because the guy had forgotten how to write English grammer and the teacher just couldn't understand what he was saying?;)
Kids who aren't depressed by school are the ones with something wrong with them.
And that attitude/mindset is exactly why you had such a hard time in school.
surviving school is to think, as I did, that school is a small part of your life and 1 second after you grad from high school it's all over anyways. It's been 7 years since I left school and I have yet to meet any of them again, even though I still live in the same town.
You're spot on. Everyone gets picked on in school to some degree and has pressures. The ones who take it to heart and internalize it are like the parent to your post. The ones who realize that what other kids think about you isn't nearly as important as what you think about yourself are the ones who survive. I was picked on a lot, even getting into fights that I lost. Most of the bullying stopped in middleschool though when I beat the ever living shit out of one of my bullies. Highschool was very, very different. I'll talk about it later.
Pre-college school held little/no challenge for me and I knew it. Instead of being depressed about it and whining because someone wasn't wiping my ass and nose for me, I did things that interested me FOR myself, even if they weren't related to school. This wasn't the result of a concious decision on my part. I was just interested in other stuff and had no problems following my own interests and didn't really care what other people thought.
In grade school, I read encyclopedias/dictionaries for fun even though it wasn't something the 'popular' kids did.
In middle school I played all kinds of games like AD&D and various board games like Risk. I also fished, hunted, and went hiking a lot.
High school was a freaking blast. My senior class was 385 people in a school of about 1500 total students. I hardly remember classes and such but I have tons of memories from stuff we did outside of the school... both academic and for fun. I got into computers right before I got into highschool (this was in 1981) and that set my path. I knew what I was going to do for a living before I was in 10th grade, while many of the people I knew had no clue even as graduation approached... mostly because they were so self absorbed into worrying about what other people thought of them that they never spent time figuring out what THEY liked to do.
Things I did in highschool: - I took our highschool's computer oriented offerings and the teacher realized that several of us in the classes (my friends and I mostly) knew more than he did so he asked us to be 'assistants' rather than trying to grade us. - We had LAN parties before there was such a thing. We nerds would bring our computers over to one person's house and spend all weekend playing games. Few, if any, had any play mode where you could connect two machines together, but with ~6 of us there, you could have a few turn-based games going simultaneously, or all of us playing versions of single player games at once trying to solve it (Sword of Kadash, for example, with each person calling out when you found something new). - Was a guidance office assistant for a year (student office worker for one period). This was mostly just to get some freedom to do other stuff... our responsibilities were fairly low and we were allowed to do things we wanted when we weren't needed.
Both of those things above were considered mega-dork by people I talked to in college and was told that such activities in their highschool would get you beaten up. Guess what, we had a blast doing it.
Of course, I went to public school but evidently my school was fairly different from anyone else I've compared with. We weren't nearly so cliquish it seems and we had tons more fun. For example, our Prom Committee had keg parties and crawfish boils to fund our student-run and student-funded prom. It wasn't uncommon to see people from all groups of interests at any of these events. Even on 'regular' weekend ni
I'm not saying that your experience is invalid. Vista might be really good for the end users as well. Obviously, making it harder for malware to disrupt work activities or compromise data and the like benefits everyone, including IT. If Vista is, as you say, easy for IT to administer as well as being a good thing for end users across the spectrum of things that they do, then it is a win-win. I haven't used Vista yet, but if it is nice like you say, it'll be nice to see a product that is good across the board (for one of the rare times).:)
Unfortunately, the goal of IT is to enable end users. In that respect, what is hard/easy/whatever for IT is not as important as enabling the end users to do their jobs. When options are considered, IT has a very important role in presenting facts, such as licensing costs, and estimates, such as the amount of additional startup and continuing support costs for using some product, which should be considered when making any decision. However, the ease of use for IT is secondary when comparing against how the use of some product will benefit the end users, and thus the company as a whole. (I work in IT.)
Yes, there's also the hidden bit about how hard you push the computer. Other than using various content creation software packages, a guy I know who won't touch anything but a Mac doesn't do *anything* else with it except email. Sure, if that's all the machine does, once it's set up, there's not much more to it, especially if those content creation packages are high-end, top-tier packages that behave themselves well.
However, going by a broad survey of what our PC users do with their PCs, we have far more people who are programming, needing all sorts of development tools installed (not just Visual Studio, but tons of different content creation packages to make sure that stuff we do can support them) and many of those are what I consider 'shady' third party apps and libraries.
A comparison of how many apps that one of our typical Mac folks uses daily would probably be in the one dozen range... email, content creation, ftp, and a few others. The number of applications our PC folks use on a daily basis, on average, must be several dozen. I'm writing and testing some code right nwo and I have 14 different applications running, all related to what I'm trying to do (on a PC). More complex usages will require more tender loving care, IMO, particularly when you're required to mess with 'shady' third party stuff in order to do your job.
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I agree... it showed that these kids have been taught nothing... not even by their parents.
Only the stupid ones (which most of them are, if I remember my teenage years). They would be full of self-inflated idiocy if they didn't treat the next, and every, potential gunman-on-campus situation as the real thing and get themselves to safety. Only a teenager would think something like "well, they lied to us last time so I'll show them and ignore them this time!" when a gunman-on-campus alert was called out.
Yeah, in a gun free zone you aren't allowed to run the hell away... Defending yourself isn't necessarily about meeting violence with violence. Defending yourself is attempting to not be subject to the violence, deflecting/absorbing the violence, or counterattack.
I agree...
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I read it in spurts... the places where text is, I read through quickly, then have a long pause for the space, then another quick spurt of text. Very annoying.
Got some links to your data that you've gathered and your study of that data? How's about we put you in a 1m x 1m x 1m box and see how your creativity changes.
Yes, and conversely, because it is flawless doesn't mean that it's also good.
a) getting 'nothing to see here, move along'
2) the actual link being a blank page
D) the article supposedly being about the 'lack of competition'
was funny because it was a blurb about nonexistent competition referencing a nonexistent article with a nonexistent thread to discuss it. That doesn't happen nearly as often as the 'simple nothing to see here joke'.
You're reading Slashdot, aren't you?
Nothing to see here, please move along.
;)
Clicking on the link in the blurb yields a blank page...
What's that supposed to mean in reference to the topic?
It's even better than that... it's PvP without risk to you 'main' character in any way. In fact, playing a creep can do nothing but benefit your main (you earn 'destiny points' by doing quests and such on your creep which you can spend on either your creep or your freep). Since you aren't playing with equipment on your creep, you don't even have to pay for equipment wear/tear. So, no loss in any way to your 'main' by participating in PvP and you can actually gain on your 'main'. Sounds like a pretty good system, in theory, we'll see how it pans out.
That's where I stand. Unfortunately, with our two-party system, I'm kinda screwed when it comes voting time.
Unfortunately, in many of the areas they plan to distribute these things, they'll be "many laptops per warlord" where the warlord will just gather them up and sell them on the black market or something for money to buy other stuff with (weapons) or use them himself for any number of things, including helping him run his organization better (communication to field troops, watching the weather, etc.).
Alternatively, we'll probably see many of them sold, by the same person who received them in the first place, to buy food or some other short term necessity.
Yes, you absolutely can. One difference, though, is that passing 'objects' also lets you pass behaviour, along with that non-text data, from function to function in the shell.
Well... many times, what I need to do is loop over the container and remove elements that meet certain criteria from it that I want to process, for example. But you can't do that. You have to loop over the container and add those to another container (the process-and-remove-these container). Then, when you're done, you then must loop over the process-and-remove-these container and remove them from the original container. Additionally, to clean up you have to either use the process-and-remove-these container as a queue or stack to remove those elements or just let the GC clean it up.
Similarly with adds... loop over the container and add anything you want to add to the add-these-later container, then after you're done with the first loop, loop over the add-these-later container to add to the original.
The problem is that you have to do that *every* time you iterate and want to modify the contents of any container.
It would be nice to get a snapshot of the container in your iterator that you could loop over and still allow insertions/deletions from the original container.
Alternatively, you can copy your container, loop through your copy and apply the insertions/removals to the original container as you come to them.
It isn't a big deal, it's just extra coding that you have to write fairly often (or at least, I do frequently). But you do have to create/destroy a fair number of objects (some may be fairly heavy weight) just to iterate over a container and do something with it that could otherwise be pretty easy as long as you were capable of handling the synchronization issues yourself and you honored the contract of knowing that an addition/removal from the original collection would not be reflected in the snapshot iterator (one-way iteration).
So your only real beef was that it wasn't 'cross platform' enough for you? I've written both Java and C# and I can definitely tell you which one I think has better development tools and is easier to develop in (and it ain't Java), is pretty fast, etc. One complaint that I do have is that some of the underlying class libraries could have been implemented better... for example, iterating through a collection prevents you from modifying that collection. I can understand a very simple implementation prohibiting this but a reasonable implementation would let you, IMO. However, you can work around this without too much trouble.
One thing about games is that they go in and out of style... will the kids want to keep playing DDR since it's kind of out of style now and will surely be in another two years or so?
Yup... lawyers and lawsuits have done more to cause this incident than anything else. Just as we saw a couple weeks ago, a teacher called the cops to break up a fight between middle-schoolers rather than try to do anything to stop it on her own. Do something like push them apart and then they file a lawsuit against you for 'hurting them'. These days, to prevent yourself from being sued, it's best to stay out of any situation where you might receive blame for anything and just let the police deal with it.
Heh... I actually agree with you to a large degree... fiscally conservative and socially liberal (vote Libertarian!)
I guess his experiment was successful, then.
But you can... just look towards Africa. There are places in Africa where you can do ANYTHING you want as long as you can back it up.
I popped a staple into a guy's arm (he was a bully) with a stapler through his leather jacket such that he needed to snatch his jacket to pop it out, at school, because he was bothering me while I was talking to my mother on the phone (telling her I needed a ride home from her). Nothing ever became of it because he knew he was in the wrong and he went on about his business and I mine. Of course, he called me some names under his breath, but that was about it.
Yes, for me it didn't happen as a conscious decision. I think it was mostly because I was exposed to family members and friends who were various ages up to 10 years older than me on a daily basis. My microcosm of a world wasn't limited to only the people I encountered at school. I had interests outside of school, mostly outdoors like hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, and the like, but some AD&D and the like, and of course computers entered in a big way early on, too. With all that going on, school was just a sidenote in my life during that time. I couldn't wait to get home so I could hurry up right back outside to go fishing or ride motorbikes or something. I got picked on a lot early on but I got into a huge fight one day and that was pretty much the end of it. I even became somewhat friends with some of my previous 'tormentors'. I can imagine that if you have no life outside of school and getting beat up and stuff, you won't be able to imagine anything outside of it.
Maybe it was just written with a bunch of text-speak in it because the guy had forgotten how to write English grammer and the teacher just couldn't understand what he was saying? ;)
And that attitude/mindset is exactly why you had such a hard time in school.
You're spot on. Everyone gets picked on in school to some degree and has pressures. The ones who take it to heart and internalize it are like the parent to your post. The ones who realize that what other kids think about you isn't nearly as important as what you think about yourself are the ones who survive. I was picked on a lot, even getting into fights that I lost. Most of the bullying stopped in middleschool though when I beat the ever living shit out of one of my bullies. Highschool was very, very different. I'll talk about it later.
Pre-college school held little/no challenge for me and I knew it. Instead of being depressed about it and whining because someone wasn't wiping my ass and nose for me, I did things that interested me FOR myself, even if they weren't related to school. This wasn't the result of a concious decision on my part. I was just interested in other stuff and had no problems following my own interests and didn't really care what other people thought.
In grade school, I read encyclopedias/dictionaries for fun even though it wasn't something the 'popular' kids did.
In middle school I played all kinds of games like AD&D and various board games like Risk. I also fished, hunted, and went hiking a lot.
High school was a freaking blast. My senior class was 385 people in a school of about 1500 total students. I hardly remember classes and such but I have tons of memories from stuff we did outside of the school... both academic and for fun. I got into computers right before I got into highschool (this was in 1981) and that set my path. I knew what I was going to do for a living before I was in 10th grade, while many of the people I knew had no clue even as graduation approached... mostly because they were so self absorbed into worrying about what other people thought of them that they never spent time figuring out what THEY liked to do.
Things I did in highschool:
- I took our highschool's computer oriented offerings and the teacher realized that several of us in the classes (my friends and I mostly) knew more than he did so he asked us to be 'assistants' rather than trying to grade us.
- We had LAN parties before there was such a thing. We nerds would bring our computers over to one person's house and spend all weekend playing games. Few, if any, had any play mode where you could connect two machines together, but with ~6 of us there, you could have a few turn-based games going simultaneously, or all of us playing versions of single player games at once trying to solve it (Sword of Kadash, for example, with each person calling out when you found something new).
- Was a guidance office assistant for a year (student office worker for one period). This was mostly just to get some freedom to do other stuff... our responsibilities were fairly low and we were allowed to do things we wanted when we weren't needed.
Both of those things above were considered mega-dork by people I talked to in college and was told that such activities in their highschool would get you beaten up. Guess what, we had a blast doing it.
Of course, I went to public school but evidently my school was fairly different from anyone else I've compared with. We weren't nearly so cliquish it seems and we had tons more fun. For example, our Prom Committee had keg parties and crawfish boils to fund our student-run and student-funded prom. It wasn't uncommon to see people from all groups of interests at any of these events. Even on 'regular' weekend ni
Addition to the above that I forgot to add:
:)
I'm not saying that your experience is invalid. Vista might be really good for the end users as well. Obviously, making it harder for malware to disrupt work activities or compromise data and the like benefits everyone, including IT. If Vista is, as you say, easy for IT to administer as well as being a good thing for end users across the spectrum of things that they do, then it is a win-win. I haven't used Vista yet, but if it is nice like you say, it'll be nice to see a product that is good across the board (for one of the rare times).
Unfortunately, the goal of IT is to enable end users. In that respect, what is hard/easy/whatever for IT is not as important as enabling the end users to do their jobs. When options are considered, IT has a very important role in presenting facts, such as licensing costs, and estimates, such as the amount of additional startup and continuing support costs for using some product, which should be considered when making any decision. However, the ease of use for IT is secondary when comparing against how the use of some product will benefit the end users, and thus the company as a whole. (I work in IT.)
Yes, there's also the hidden bit about how hard you push the computer. Other than using various content creation software packages, a guy I know who won't touch anything but a Mac doesn't do *anything* else with it except email. Sure, if that's all the machine does, once it's set up, there's not much more to it, especially if those content creation packages are high-end, top-tier packages that behave themselves well.
However, going by a broad survey of what our PC users do with their PCs, we have far more people who are programming, needing all sorts of development tools installed (not just Visual Studio, but tons of different content creation packages to make sure that stuff we do can support them) and many of those are what I consider 'shady' third party apps and libraries.
A comparison of how many apps that one of our typical Mac folks uses daily would probably be in the one dozen range... email, content creation, ftp, and a few others. The number of applications our PC folks use on a daily basis, on average, must be several dozen. I'm writing and testing some code right nwo and I have 14 different applications running, all related to what I'm trying to do (on a PC). More complex usages will require more tender loving care, IMO, particularly when you're required to mess with 'shady' third party stuff in order to do your job.