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Scientists Offer New Way to Read Online Text

An anonymous reader writes "Scientists at a small startup called Walker Reading Technologies in Minnesota have determined that the human brain is not wired properly to read block text. They have found that our eyes view text as if they're peering through a straw. Not only does your brain see the text on the line you're reading, but it's also uploading superfluous information from the two lines above and the two lines below. This causes your brain to engage in a tug of war as it fights to filter and ignore the noise. The result is slower reading speeds and decreased comprehension. The company has developed a product that automatically re-formats text in a way that your brain can more easily comprehend."

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  1. Dr. Seuss by Nimey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's certainly very easy to read, and the formatting reminds me of Dr. Seuss books.

    The only downside I can see (if this gets used in print) is the waste of paper compared to current methods.

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    1. Re:Dr. Seuss by smittyman · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean that we can use paper for printing letters and stuff? Does that come with many fonts and all?

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    2. Re:Dr. Seuss by hkgroove · · Score: 1

      Just read it in the voice of Walken or Shatner.

    3. Re:Dr. Seuss by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      According to TALFTFS:

      It breaks complex syntax into simpler syntax, which makes it easier for the brain to absorb the material.
      The example shown (about cells) doesn't change the syntax at all. It just changes the formatting.

      What might help with reading long lines - and be much simpler - is to print the alternate lines on a slightly different shaded background. But that would never catch on.
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    4. Re:Dr. Seuss by Nimey · · Score: 4, Funny

      People would take that as license to write purple text on a red background.

      Then Myspace would have to be invented.

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    5. Re:Dr. Seuss by cyphercell · · Score: 5, Insightful
      http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/ beforeafter1.jpg

      I noticed several things that make it difficult for me to actually evaluate the difference. First each uses a different font, then the one that is supposed to be inferior ends with an incomplete sentance "A cell is" - making it gramatically inferior, if you zoom in you'll notice that the inferior sample didn't compress well in the jpg, the fonts are different sizes, and finally live link labeling the new sample as "Section 1:" provides more contextual information making it in fact more informative. While these changes are subtle each by themselves they are all time tested methods for improving text. Don't blur the text, add contextual info, complete your sentances and use standardized grammar. If this is the standard output from their software then this is truly not impressive. Aside from these issues, haven't people used collumns for a long time too?

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    6. Re:Dr. Seuss by GreyPoopon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Somebody mod the parent comment up. I was going to say exactly the same thing. Folks, when you're going to announce a "breakthrough", you need to let it stand on its own without any "helpers". Maybe this wasn't done on purpose, but then it ought to be a lesson that one needs to be EXTREMELY careful how they inform the world of their discoveries. This particular group of researchers has lost my trust.

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    7. Re:Dr. Seuss by bunratty · · Score: 1

      It's certainly very easy to read, and the formatting reminds me of Dr. Seuss books.
      It reminds me of The Story of Mel, as well as other text written in free verse.
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    8. Re:Dr. Seuss by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      It'd work great on e-paper, though; waste doesn't matter on something that's instantly recyclable.

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    9. Re:Dr. Seuss by smitty97 · · Score: 1

      I agree.. and even with using the same font, i think the "new" method is still more difficult to read.. i find myself pausing at the line breaks.

      This sentence is supposed to be somewhat difficult
      to read because it is in the old "block" format.

      This sentence
          should be easier
              to read because
      it is in the
        new "cell"
          format.

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    10. Re:Dr. Seuss by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      The only downside I can see (if this gets used in print) is the waste of paper compared to current methods.

      I think that's why the specify online...the text can be reformatted on the fly and waste nothing more than a touch of processor time and some electron whitespace. :-)

    11. Re:Dr. Seuss by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      This has to work. I know I can read a page twice as fast if it is double spaced.

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    12. Re:Dr. Seuss by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Well,
          to me
              the new format
          looks almost
              like a poem.

      Maybe
          this is just
              a way
          to make
              more poetic texts.

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    13. Re:Dr. Seuss by Falladir · · Score: 1

      Regarding compression artifacts on the two samples, I wonder why they used a jpg at all. When will people get the message, jpg is *only for photographs* .

      This kind of reminds me of Microsoft's comparison of font rendering with and without cleartype, where they use italics so that un-anti-aliased fonts look bad. At least they made it a minimal comparison, though, keeping the same font and text.

    14. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So basically
      they are patenting
      the annoying
      way that
      some
      people send
      IM's?

    15. Re:Dr. Seuss by OECD · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then Myspace would have to be invented.

      Or Wired.

      Yeah, they've gotten better, but they still spin the random color wheels every now and again.

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    16. Re:Dr. Seuss by vonhammer · · Score: 1

      Could you sue them
                with a cat?

      Could you sue them
                like that?

    17. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait..

      Could you type slower please?

    18. Re:Dr. Seuss by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      It is.

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    19. Re:Dr. Seuss by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Your post got me to thinking about using color instead of blank space to separate text.

      I put together some prototypes based on this, trying to maintain the word density but still making it easier/faster to read.

      Results surprised me a bit - using color to differentiate lines works quite well after a very short adjustment stage! Try it out - the results might surprise you!

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    20. Re:Dr. Seuss by scooter.higher · · Score: 1

      Didn't you know? This is one of the many features of Gmail!

      http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html

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    21. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lose. My eye was pulled to the red text the whole time I tried to read the summary.

    22. Re:Dr. Seuss by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe it's just me, but I don't discard the extra 'noise' that I get from reading. I read roughly every second or third line, build up a composite image of the paragraph, tokenise it in parallel, and then parse it from that. It's a much better fit with how the optical system works than how people tend to describe reading, and possibly why I read a lot faster than most people I know. This new system slows my reading rate a lot.

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    23. Re:Dr. Seuss by smallfries · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe I'm bucking the trend so far, but I found the reformatted versions harder to read than normal text. You're right about their bad comparison - but comparing their "poetic" formatting against normal text on a webpage (not their example) makes me think that ther technique makes it harder to read.

      Their "revelation" about how the eyes scan a page is well known and understood in page design and layout. Also, the idea that the brain has to remove "clutter" from the surrounding words is false. The brain uses the pattern of the text above and below to help the eye scan back to the beginning of the line quickly. Also the brain interprets the surrounding text to get an earlier chance to parse what is coming. The line underneath is processed before it is consciously read, kind of a warm-up run.

      Sadly I can't remember where I read this, or find a reference to it...

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    24. Re:Dr. Seuss by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1

      i think the "new" method is still more difficult to read.

      I found the new method easier to read, but your example proves to me that it wasn't (at least not entirely) from the lack of the block formatting. I actually had more difficulty reading your example "prose" than I did your block writing.
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    25. Re:Dr. Seuss by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No joke. For those of us aural thinkers, this is the most annoying presentation possible. You stop in the middle of a phrase. If they diced it up by phrases, it wouldn't be bad, but hearing the words "I think" followed by a pause while your eye scans down to the words "I can" in the next line.... It's worse than children's books. It is absolutely horrible for me to read those samples.

      Here's a version of that paragraph rewritten in this style. Tell me if you have a harder time reading it.

      No joke.
      For those
      of us aural thinkers,
      this is
      the most annoying presentation
      possible.
      You stop
      in the middle
      of a phrase.
      If they
      diced it up
      by phrases,
      it wouldn't be
      bad,
      but hearing the words
      "I think"
      followed by
      a pause
      while your eye
      scans down
      to the words
      "I can"
      in the next line....
      It's worse
      than children's books.
      It is
      absolutely horrible
      for me
      to read those samples.

      Don't get me wrong, block text is hard to read, but this can be improved significantly through using fonts that are large enough to read, using a serif font to provide additional clues about letter shapes, leaving more space between lines, and limiting your paragraphs to no more than about three or four lines of text. You don't have to insult the intelligence of the reader to get a point across...
      like my post
      seems
      to do,
      but really
      doesn't.

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    26. Re:Dr. Seuss by Ontology42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eye Queue is an application that teaches you how to speed read. What ever happened to the idea of trying to learn something instead of being so lazy that we have the computer re-render information for us. I understand that we are silly monkeys but last time I checked we were pretty good at adapting to our surroundings, hence the reason we are at the top of the food chain. Instead of re-formatting your text, why not reformat your brain? it does change over time and you can learn to read entire paragraphs at a time, just ask anyone in the publishing industry.

    27. Re:Dr. Seuss by srussia · · Score: 1

      It's certainly very easy to read, and the formatting reminds me of Dr. Seuss books.

      Meh. I Can Read with My Eyes Shut!
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    28. Re:Dr. Seuss by noidentity · · Score: 1

      You could print the lines interleved and use an overlay consisting of alternating white and clear horizontal lines. Not very practical though.

      This reminds me of R.D. Laing's interesting book Knots , where he uses indention to clarify structure.

    29. Re:Dr. Seuss by GeckoX · · Score: 2, Funny

      They just want us all to start talking like James T Kirk.

      Oh the horror.

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    30. Re:Dr. Seuss by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      Actually your reformatted version is what convinces me there might be something to this.

      Is "aural thinker" something you just made up? I'm not sure I know what it means (and so I'm assuming it doesn't describe me). No flame intended, but the term "aural thinker" makes me think of people who move their lips when they read...

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    31. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. The left sample I can read in one glance despite the awful quality jpeg.
      The live ink on the right I actually needed to mentally reformat in something more usable.

    32. Re:Dr. Seuss by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      That really makes a lot of sense, kinda like this company is letting people speed read in very thin collumns rather than approaching the whole shebang.

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    33. Re:Dr. Seuss by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      damn.... not only is it easier to read, it is more comfortable and comprehension is higher and you read it faster!

      something like this can only work on electronic devices though because books were designed to pack as much text into them as possible and such formating would waste a ton of paper.

      I want more!!!

      can it reformat my pdfs for me?

    34. Re:Dr. Seuss by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      A completely non-scientific test with my eyes and a stopwatch after reading both paragraphs several times but paying attention to read every word resulted in reading the normal paragraph form in ~12.6 seconds, and the lengthened form that you posted in ~10.6 seconds.

      Of course, this may be completely out of whack. However, the flow felt more intuitive. Maybe the Japanese were onto something with the vertical writing.

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    35. Re:Dr. Seuss by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Would it be difficult to do alternating line shading using CSS, with automatic reflow as the window is rescaled in size? Alternating 0% and 10% shading may be subtle enough to allow proper eye tracking while discouraging uptake of other information.

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    36. Re:Dr. Seuss by Lijemo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some people think primarily in sounds (can you hear what I'm sayin?), which is aural thinking.

      Others think primarily visually (can you see what I mean?) Some think spatially (do you need to organize your thoughts? Seeing this from a different angle? Wrapping your mind around it?). Some think tactilely (can you feel what I'm getting at here? Getting a grip on it?). Some think kinetically (am I moving you at all? Finding common ground?) I'm sure there are others which I'm forgetting.

      Any means of processing incoming information, is going to be affected by your thinking style. I agree with you that the GP's demonstration of how "bad" the style is is far faster and easier to read than the original paragraph-- but then, I'm a spatial thinker, not an aural one.

    37. Re:Dr. Seuss by Lijemo · · Score: 1

      "The only downside I can see (if this gets used in print) is the waste of paper compared to current methods."

      Well, I didn't RTFA, but according to TFTitle, this method was developed specifically for online reading-- so hopefully people would have the foresight to use a different stylesheet for printing.

      (But then again-- maybe pigs will fly?)

    38. Re:Dr. Seuss by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      I suppose I understood that's what he meant, but it's very difficult for me to imagine what that must be like. I'd have a difficult time characterizing my reading habits using any of those categories you mention. To me, reading is just... thought. Pure meaning. Very abstract.

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    39. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Offtopic how? It refers to the article & comments on it. Mods on crack again.

      print the alternate lines on a slightly different shaded background. But that would never catch on.
      Like the old style printer paper had - the sort where you had to tear the sprocket holes off the sides?

    40. Re:Dr. Seuss by Plekto · · Score: 1

      The real trick here is to learn to read like you do with Chinese or similar languages. Ie - you read entire words at a time instead of letters.

      The example in question took me 2-3 seconds to read reformatted. Why? Because if you read words, then each chunk is processed as a block/at once. Normally it as about 8 seconds.

      A good analogy to this would be, say, having a large wad of, say, jellybeans on a table, all spread out. Now, try and grab them up as quickly as you can. Now, take the same 100 jellybeans and put them into little piles of 5. You can now easily grab a pile at once with each hand. Cleanup just got much quicker because you aren't aiming for a specific jellybean at a time but rather you grab a pile/clump at once.

      If you look at the diagram, you'll see that the two rings/area our eyes scan is like this - it's not about formatting in a poetry-like method, but clumping it all in a little circle so that our eye can focus it as quickly as a single word otherwise.

      Of course, as others have pointed out, if you can speed-read a line at a time, you won't find much use for this. Most people's brains hit a limit of about 1000words a minute that they can process/analyze anyways.

    41. Re:Dr. Seuss by treeves · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It works quite well for me, actually.

      The problem is, when it gets implemented on many websites, there will be loads of ads on either side of the text, completely distracting and ruining any advantage offered by the text format.

      At least that is my fear based on my expectation that this method wouldn't work well when I read the summary. Whenever I see narrow columns of text now it's surrounded by distracting ads that make it more difficult to read.

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    42. Re:Dr. Seuss by The_Rook · · Score: 1

      yeah, it looks like bad haiku.

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    43. Re:Dr. Seuss by Lijemo · · Score: 1

      To me, reading is just... thought. Pure meaning. Very abstract.

      I used to think I was the same way-- but then I realized that in my case, there was a definite spatial component to the abstractness. (And it's definitely spatial, NOT visual-- they're not the same thing, though people who are neither sometimes conflate them.)

    44. Re:Dr. Seuss by Mahjub+Sa'aden · · Score: 1

      Part of the difficulty in reading text over the internet is that web designers -- not trained in the art of selecting actual readable fonts, and without the knowledge of and capability of kerning -- have decided we shall read in sans serif fonts.

      Whether we arrange the sentences like a poem or like a newspaper largely doesn't matter, as far as I can tell.

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    45. Re:Dr. Seuss by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, now that I read that easy paragraph I've gotten too lazy to move my eyes to the right. I'm only reading the left side of the text and it makes things hard to understand...

    46. Re:Dr. Seuss by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      It's definitely food for thought. (HA!)

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    47. Re:Dr. Seuss by epine · · Score: 1


      I bet they would see half the total effect just by eliminating existing materials with poorly chosen fonts, uncomfortable line leading (a big complaint of mine), and improper line lengths (2.5 times of the width of the lower case alphabet represents the high end of what I find acceptable).

      I get most of these effects just by increasing my browser font size. Just looking at half a dozen tabs I had open already, I've increased the font size for most of the articles I've read until a line of text ranges from five to nine words. The downside is that my scroll wheel is pulsing continuously, the bonus is that it helps me sit at a better distance from the monitor, saving both my back and my eyes. I can read most materials faster than I can debunk the nonsense contained. One word that slows me down a lot these days is "carbon". Whenever the word carbon is introduced, it usually signifies about a hundred conceptual errors per verbal flourish.

      In fact I keep a list of words where the person writing and the person reading are rarely ever on the same page with a precise meaning. Examples: environment, pollution, simple, security, consensus, and change. If we could eliminate these words from polite discourse, I would probably be willing to dial up my reading speed another 50%.

    48. Re:Dr. Seuss by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's a version of that paragraph rewritten in this style.


      No, you just did short lines with the same left margin, not the style shown in the samples.
    49. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is TALFTFS "the article linked from the fucking summary"? That's a bit extreme, don'tcha think?

    50. Re:Dr. Seuss by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

      I also found the reformatted version to be more difficult to read. For me, one of the worst changes is the coloration of the words. Some words were black, some were this... odd color (I'm red/green colorblind, so that might be one of the problems), and it seemed to change at random. Very distracting.

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    51. Re:Dr. Seuss by sheepweevil · · Score: 1

      I've never had a problem reading block text, and it is the most economical way to arrange words on a printed page. I think books will still be formatted in block text even if this system becomes popular, simply because of the cost factor. But in the online medium, the amount of space doesn't have an effect on cost. A problem I can foresee for online use of this technology would be vertical scroll length, which should be minimized.

    52. Re:Dr. Seuss by BearMachine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your example is quite different from the example shown in the article. There is no identation, your line breaks appear to be random, and all words are formatted equally.

      The real example can be found at: http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/ beforeafter1.jpg

      Your example sort of sounds like a William Shatner monologue in my mind. It's annoying and has no flow, but the Live Ink example is easy to read and flows like haiku.

    53. Re:Dr. Seuss by strider44 · · Score: 1

      It was a dark red.

    54. Re:Dr. Seuss by minuszero · · Score: 1

      I'd move towards the ~66 characters per line first (it's about the
      right width to make scanning back easy enough not to lose your
      place---LaTeX users will be familiar with this already). You might
      find you don't need the line shading after that.

      In fact, this mostly tends to be the cause of any trouble that I
      have reading stuff on the web. That, and the text is too small.
      Fortunately, one can kill both with one stone; increasing the
      font size, reduces the number of characters per line!
      ...now if only sites would start doing it.

    55. Re:Dr. Seuss by HiggsBison · · Score: 1

      Thank you for posting your example and explanation. I'm learning a great deal. I found it much easier to read the narrow common. As you've pointed out, some find it perfectly horrible. A difference in learning styles which you have kindly expanded upon.

      I had thought that there were three styles on that axis: visual, auditory, and kinetic. Thank you for pointing out the tactile and spatial.

      How do other axes (axises?) work in here? Some people need to be given the theory before they can work examples. I can't even begin to grasp a theory until I have a concrete example of just what the heck the theorist is babbling about.

      Then there's the left-brain right-brain thing. I seem to have a lot of right-brain going for me, and I tend to concur with those who suggest that my brain is sucking in stuff from the lines above and below. ADD certainly doesn't help here. Maybe it is related.

      And finally there's Meyers-Briggs and the other one that breaks people into Feeling/Analyzing/Doing/and Managing or something like that.

      I have been hoping to supplement my IT income by tutoring, and I think it helps to understand how a variety of people think, perceive, and learn.

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    56. Re:Dr. Seuss by GrievousMistake · · Score: 1

      So you're an edacious thinker, then!

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    57. Re:Dr. Seuss by EChris · · Score: 1

      Actually, it reminded me more of e e cummings' work.

    58. Re:Dr. Seuss by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Look at the Melville example.

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    59. Re:Dr. Seuss by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      Almost every web design book I've read suggests that Sans Serif "fonts" are easier to read on screen whereas Serif "fonts" are better for print media.

      I think Sans Serif, particularly Verdana is easier to read in some cases as long as the text is large enough. I often try to make print stylesheets use serif fonts. I guess you could print the sites and read them that way.

      Perhaps Serif fonts will become more useful on screens with newer displays. I find they don't bother me as much on my laptop (LCD) vs my desktop. Older LCD displays tend to look too washed out regardless of the typeface.

    60. Re:Dr. Seuss by Checkmait · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you, but the interesting thing was that I read the vertical text faster than the block.
      Or maybe
      that was
      because I
      already knew
      the
      content of the
      paragraph.

      My personal opinion is that this is just a fancy technique and some algorithms that work for some people which will lead to a patent and lots of propaganda. But to me, this is just an interesting result in a relatively useless study. Seriously people, when are we going to leave the block text style which our ancestors devised thousands of years ago?

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    61. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might... as well... put pauses... every... other word... (more or... less randomly).

    62. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no indentation, no highlighting, and no sensible line breaks. If people want to see if they find the text easier to read, all they have to do is try the examples that are available in the article and the linked site. Which they apparently did, and they did indeed find that it helped them. There are also studies on this, also described in the article. Tell me, how is your hacked up crap example supposed to help deciding anything?

      This is a way of formatting text online, which will no doubt be entirely optional to use. If you don't want to use it, don't. What's with the whining?

    63. Re:Dr. Seuss by VariableGHz · · Score: 1

      This has to work. I know I can read a page twice as fast if it is double spaced.

      When filing documents with the Court of Appeals (at least in California) they require a minimum of a 13-point monospaced font, double spaced. Perhaps there is a good reason for this.

    64. Re:Dr. Seuss by ewanm89 · · Score: 1

      Isn't this the idea of LaTeX, get the spacing right for the human brain?

    65. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, double spacing isn't just a way to get your essay up to the minimum required by your english teacher.

    66. Re:Dr. Seuss by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 1

      Yes. Reading the summary is considered eccentric round these parts, so reading the article it links to is practically heresy.

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    67. Re:Dr. Seuss by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      What ever happened to the idea of trying to learn something instead of being so lazy that we have the computer re-render information for us.
      I know, dammit! Stop using Babelfish, you idiots. Just learn the goddamn language next time, you lazy bums!

      Instead of re-formatting your text, why not reformat your brain?
      Congratulations. You share the philosophy of the editors of Wired, who love putting fluorescent pink text on fluorescent yellow backgrounds.

      What you're saying would basically place us back in the dark ages of typography, with old fonts (hint: many are difficult to read, physiologically speaking).
  2. oooooo by VoxMagis · · Score: 0

    So we're offering them free advertising here? We have text in the format we use because it's been that way for (some big number) of years. That's all. I don't see me running out to buy something that makes it different just because the marketers of that product says it makes it better.

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    1. Re:oooooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is news reporting. The fact that it's related to a commercial product does not inherently make it less news-worthy than if it's from a government or academic institution (though it's reasonable to do a bit of fact-finding, in either case).

    2. Re:oooooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....I don't see me running out to buy something that makes it different just because the marketers of that product says it makes it better. And you are not supposed to, you are supposed to go the website and look at it for yourself. Once you do, you will realize that their claim is true. It is easier to read, would I use it for my own websites, maybe...
  3. Scrolling by athloi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The screenshot
        looks good.

    It breaks the text down
      into phrases
      like poetry.

    (It looks sort of
        like code.)

    But, for anything
        other than a short document,
          you will be scrolling a long time,
      baby.

    Just up the css line-height to 2, and call it a day.

    1. Re:Scrolling by hawks5999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah Lots of scrolling so the time saved from reading will be lost to scrolling I'll stick to block text.

    2. Re:Scrolling by peragrin · · Score: 1

      ah but the
      phrases are
      so small you
      can just wait
      a second
      or two and have
      the page
      autoscroll
      down like
      pressing the
      down arrow button.

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    3. Re:Scrolling by hkgroove · · Score: 1

      Read Only Revolutions by Mark Z. Danielewski.

      Everything is formatted like this - it's not poetry but has a rhythm all its own. Not sure if that's an after-effect of the formatting or not.

    4. Re:Scrolling by the_humeister · · Score: 5, Funny

      You forgot the final line: "Burma Shave!"

    5. Re:Scrolling by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And did you notice how blurry the image was of the 'standard' text. Nice job there. "look how much easier the text on the right is to read compared to the old stuff on the left!". This is a SERIOUSLY flawed example.

      Did they do such a shoddy job in the study? Why is there no link to a peer-reviewed study?

    6. Re:Scrolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not only blurry; it uses completely different fonts and font sizes. They didn't even try to make the comparison objective.

      The most likely explanation is that it's intentional. Why would they use such different fonts (even serif vs. san-serif) unless they were trying to trick the audience?

    7. Re:Scrolling by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

      More than that...
      I read the text
      looking for rhymes!!!

      Looks like a haiku.

      --
      So say we all
    8. Re:Scrolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      On a slightly more serious note, another issue here is that those of us with wide aspect ratio notebooks and monitors are poorly served by having to do more vertical scrolling than we already do. Wouldn't we be better served by encouraging better writing, and a more thoughtful approach to punctuation?

      I do, however
      like the notion of writing
      in haiku every day.

    9. Re:Scrolling by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      1) Create blurry text screenshot
      2) Create clear screenshot with indenting and compare the two
      3) ???
      4) Profit!

      Looks like they know what they're doing.

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    10. Re:Scrolling by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's weird, but as I read text formatted like that, I mentally insert a pause after each line. My mental voice says "Itbreaksthetextdown.... intophrases..... likepoetry............."

      It's actually quite annoying, and I prefer block text. :-)

    11. Re:Scrolling by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      The solution
              to this problem
          is,
              of course,
          simple:

      Just turn around
          your wide screen
              by 90 degrees,
          so now it is
              more tall than wide,
      and display your texts
          turned around
              by 90 degrees
          as well,
              so it has
                  the correct direction
              on your
                  rotated screen.

      Then your monitor
          will have the
              ideal shape
          for this type
              of text.

      The only downside is
          that for notebooks
              this will make
                  usage of the keyboard
              much harder.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    12. Re:Scrolling by nine-times · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did they do such a shoddy job in the study? Why is there no link to a peer-reviewed study?

      They do link to an actual journal article, and you'll find the same link on Live Ink's website. I don't know how respectable "ReadingOnline" is, but why are you assuming that this magazine article is the total of Live Ink's "research"? The example image you're talking was generated by Venture Beat, and not by Live Ink, and the example is only meant to give an idea of what Live Ink does.

    13. Re:Scrolling by Mastema262003 · · Score: 1

      This:http://www.clipread.com/sbir/vstf_aera_2004.p df (PDF) appears to be the original paper.

    14. Re:Scrolling by XSforMe · · Score: 1

      Finally a valid scientifically proven reason not to RTFA!

      --
      My other OS is the MCP!
    15. Re:Scrolling by mblase · · Score: 1

      Did they do such a shoddy job in the study? Why is there no link to a peer-reviewed study?

      There was: http://www.readingonline.org/articles/art_index.as p?HREF=/articles/r_walker/

      That's a journal article complete with references. You're forgiven for missing it since VentureBeat doesn't underline their links to make them more visible.

    16. Re:Scrolling by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Ahh, thanks, I missed that. It's good to see it's actually been peer reviewed.

    17. Re:Scrolling by mla_anderson · · Score: 1

      Once columns are properly supported then it should work just fine.

      --
      Sig is on vacation
    18. Re:Scrolling by bob_herrick · · Score: 1

      Breakups can be hard But text reads well when broken Mind good at repair?

    19. Re:Scrolling by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      And did you notice how blurry the image was of the 'standard' text. Nice job there. "look how much easier the text on the right is to read compared to the old stuff on the left!". This is a SERIOUSLY flawed example.


      Aside from blurring, it was also in an italic, serif font (fonts with serifs not being, generally, great for online reading, and italics for text, as opposed to emphasis, being bad for readability in any medium.)
    20. Re:Scrolling by aj50 · · Score: 1

      The line breaks weren't the problem for me, it having some text in red made me want to stop and concentrate on that word a little longer making my reading disjointed.

      --
      I wish to remain anomalous
    21. Re:Scrolling by allanc · · Score: 1

      That paper's really hard to read.

      If only they had some method of breaking up all those long, boring blocks of text so it would be more readable...

    22. Re:Scrolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shatner, is that you !?

    23. Re:Scrolling by Jamie+Lokier · · Score: 1

      I did that too. As someone else said, I seem to be an 'auditory thinker' - at least when reading. (I'm visual-spatial when doing abstract reasoning :-)

      But I gave it a chance, and noticed that it's because I'm used to those kind of line breaks meaning 'pause' or 'breath' in common formatting. Including poetry, and block text where line breaks are similar to paragraphs.

      When I scanned it again a few times, I found it gets easier (for me) to scan it smoothly.

      Then I found it was tiring, because my eye has to sweep vertically faster than usual. About the same speed as reading vertical text. (Curiously, the vertical sweep felt it quite different from scanning text quickly - which I do a lot as a programmer).

      But that might be something the eye muscles can adapt to.

      All that said, I've always been good at adapting quickly to unusual writing forms, like reading upside-down or rotated. So maybe I'm not representative of other people who found the formatted version more difficult.

  4. I've been advocating by hkgroove · · Score: 1

    Writing in Haiku form for a while.

  5. I for one by Mipoti+Gusundar · · Score: 0, Funny

    I for one am welcoming our new automatic hayku generatting overlord's!

    --
    Will code for new sig.
  6. Who needs Live Ink? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    We could all
            just start typing
                  all our messages
    just like this!

    Nah, that might
          be too annoying...

    1. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Funny

      No it won't.
          Because if you didn't
              type it this way
                    I might have
                        skipped over
                            your post.

    2. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by frisket · · Score: 1

      Nothing like a shortage of research funding to spur a little novelty-hunting. Or possibly the low educational level of the scientists means they need simpler texts.

    3. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by byjove · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think you're missing the part about how the positioning of the words are determined. The algorithms used were inspired by spoken syntax: "The prosodic cues in spoken language are more complex than simple pauses at phrase boundaries; subtle variations in pitch, volume, and the duration of word pronunciation have been shown to convey hierarchical structures in syntax (Ferreira & Anes, 1994). When these prosodic-syntactic cues of speech are experimentally stripped away from audiorecordings of sentences, listeners' comprehension drops (Cutler, Dahan, & van Donselaar, 1997). This finding has important implications for reading because, when language is written down, many of these same syntactic cues are similarly stripped away" Also, according to the supporting paper, parsing sentences along these lines help support the goals of the semantic web, helping online readers to parse complex expository writing.

    4. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by hal9000(jr) · · Score: 1

      I want a program to do the formatting for me so that I don't have to worry about it.

    5. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by C0rinthian · · Score: 1

      TLDR

    6. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      .<--- joke
      .. o ..
      . /|\ . <--- You
      . / \ .
      .......

    7. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by radtea · · Score: 5, Informative

      The algorithms used were inspired by spoken syntax:

      Which may not be all that relevant to the comprehension of written language.

      One aspect the linked article emphasizes is that spoken language is ephemeral, whereas written language is permanent. This is a large difference, as anyone who can read a second language with relative fluency but understand the spoken form hardly at all knows.

      For this and many other reasons (no one speaks like a textbook or scientific paper for a reason--writing is far more effective at conveying certain types of information) it is problematic to claim without proof that "making writing more like speech is a good thing." In some cases it is probably true. In lots of other cases it may well be false. It will depend on the nature of the information being conveyed.

      --
      Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
    8. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by emurphy42 · · Score: 1

      On the other hand,
      life can be an endless parade of
      transsexual quilting bees
      aboard a cruise ship to Disney World
      if only we let it!!

    9. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And when it is written down we call this punctuation.

      The problem I have with the examples are that they are really easy to read aloud, either in one's head or vocally, but very difficult to read fast without actually verbalizing the script. Some of the research notes support this view:

      After several students requested to read the syntactically formatted textbooks aloud in a low voice, and were permitted to do so, a majority of students elected, at least from time to time, to read these texts aloud. Although poorer readers in the VSTF group would read aloud regularly, one-fourth of the students in the VSTF group preferred to read silently and alone. This request to read aloud never emerged from the control groups , who, by contrast, generally resisted or declined reading aloud. In other words, the VSTF format seems to be geared toward verbalizing the sentence, either in one's head or vocally. That makes it good for 'slow' reading for facts in complext texts, like all of their tests were (college and high school textbooks), but maybe not good for speed reading esp where the exact content doesn't matter (harry potter).
    10. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This finding has important implications for reading because, when language is written down, many of these same syntactic cues are similarly stripped away

      that is so very true unless of course the writer makes use of that new fangled concept called punctuation

      That is so very true— unless, of course, the writer makes use of that new-fangled concept called "punctuation".

    11. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Note, however,
          that you probably
              will not be able to
                  write long comments on slashdot
              this way
          because
              the lameness filter
                  surely will complain about
                      the short
                          average line length
              if you have
                      too many lines
                  in this style.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    12. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by ballpoint · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now how does this explain that we're able to read text more than 20 times as fast as it can be uttered ?

      Some people who have trouble reading speedily might be trying to "silently speak out" what they're reading, acting like a narrator and a listener in one, instead of just absorbing and processing the incoming stream of 2-3 lines at a time (and a line or two during the backscan, if you're into boustrophedonic reading).

      For them this layout may help. For experienced readers, not so much.

      --
      Flourescent (adj): smelling like ground wheat.
    13. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      "The prosodic cues in spoken language are more complex than simple pauses at phrase boundaries; subtle variations in pitch, volume, and the duration of word pronunciation have been shown to convey hierarchical structures in syntax (Ferreira & Anes, 1994)."

      OK, so the spoken word contains more information that the written word. I'm sure we've all experienced this effect when someone misinterprets what we say in an e-mail.

      "When these prosodic-syntactic cues of speech are experimentally stripped away from audiorecordings of sentences, listeners' comprehension drops (Cutler, Dahan, & van Donselaar, 1997). This finding has important implications for reading because, when language is written down, many of these same syntactic cues are similarly stripped away"

      If the information is stripped away, how can it be accurately re-created? Take the following statements: "You spend so much time reading Slashdot. I'm not surprised you didn't finish that project on time." Did the author mean this as a joke, or is he / she angry at you? Are these statements even related, or did the author abruptly change subjects? With the "prosodic-syntactic cues" stripped away, any attempt to recreate them relies largely on knowledge of the author's personality, knowledge of recent events / conversations, and a lot of "intuition". I have my doubts about how successfully this program can re-create this lost information when humans so often fail.

    14. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      Calling this "novelty hunting" doesn't add to the discussion. What would you have studied? Why aren't you studying it?

      Let's face it--we're still in our infancy when it comes to understanding how our minds assimilate complex concepts through language. This is one bit of research that points out that we may be able to improve reading skills by approaching reading in a manner in line with our natural visual processes rather than the way it has always been done. Would you also make such a trite remark if someone came out with a radical new keyboard design based on research that indicates that our fingers are more efficient when our hands are perpendicular to the work surface?

      After spending time on the Live Ink website, reading the actual samples they provided (not just the eye-candy intro piece), and spending time reviewing the abstracts for the studys that have been done, I believe they are on the right track. I'm willing to examine this topic in regards to cognative development, linguistic/grammatical constructs, reading efficiency, and language processing. Are you?

      And on a side note: The fact that some people can develop large-block speed reading skills does not negate the potential of this technology for the rest of the population, nor does it invalidate the research that prompted its creation.

      --
      I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
    15. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by myth24601 · · Score: 2

      "The algorithms used were inspired by spoken syntax:"

      If this is the case they should have added in some ums and uhs and ya knows.

      for example:

      Ya know like,
          the uhhh algorithms
                used were um

      inspired by like spoken syntax.

      --
      No matter where you go, there you are.
    16. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      "This finding has important implications for reading because, when language is written down, many of these same syntactic cues are similarly stripped away"

      Those syntactic cues are usually replaced with punctuation. That's how punctuation came to be in the first place. When someone asks you a question, you understand because pitch goes up. When you read a question, you understand because there's a question mark. (Well, there should be a question mark, if the question is written properly.) How is this an "important implication for reading"?

      Looking at the example texts, it basically looks like they did some speed reading and then reformatted the text and highlighted the verb. While that's pretty cool, it's nothing spectacularly new or different. Children's books have been doing this for as long as I can remember to teach new vocabulary words or grammar structures.

      My other question is how will this help with other languages? Yeah, it seems to parse english effectively, but what about languages that use other alphabets or writing and grammar styles?

      --
      "Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional."
    17. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Personally I read it 'out loud' in my head, even when I'm writing, as in a narrative from a 3rd person. I find that I'm more capable of comprehending the full extent of the content and actually carry on a two sided or many sided conversation about the content (with myself), relating it to other prior content or external sourced content and creating new contexts for what I am reading. Same thing for writing. I edit while I write unless I'm simply creating an outline of tasks or some such.

      Even when reading fiction for enjoyment I find it much more interesting to read slowly in a narrative form rathe than simply scanning for a timeline or highlights (Harry Potter) and simply choose not to continue reading something that doesn't provide enough enjoyment with this method. This means I'm picky about the authors I read. They too must have a good narrative form, even when writing a technical document.

      Faster is not always better IMHO. Quality over quantity. i also don't memorize. Internalize, then the specific wording and syntax isn't relevant.. only the meme. This does give me problems with coding though. I always need a handy reference nearby. Luckily I only do proof of concept RAD stuff so it's not that big a deal.

      --
      A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
  7. Low tech workaround by SlayerofGods · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I personally just highlight the text with my mouse as I read through an article seems to help me keep my place and read faster.
    Of course it drives anyone reading over my shoulder nuts....

    --

    Technology, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.
    1. Re:Low tech workaround by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      I do the same thing in any dense text that I read. Especially helps the eyes find the right spot after scrolling.

      I also select and de-select icons or lines of text (double- and triple-clicking over and over) any time that I'm not actively working on something, like if I pause to think or to look at a picture. Annoys the crap out of people :)

      Actually, I just caught myself doing that last thing as I was proofreading my post (blasphemy, I know). Heh.

    2. Re:Low tech workaround by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I personally just highlight the text with my mouse as I read through an article
      That's wierd! Still I suppose it's better than putting smudgy fingerprints all over the screen.

      P.S. are you blonde, by any chance?
      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    3. Re:Low tech workaround by jfengel · · Score: 1

      I thought I was the only one in the world who did that.

      It's particularly fun when they've filled the page with javascript that tries to pop stuff up when you depress the mouse button. I ended up installing NoScript primarily to defeat those mechanisms.

    4. Re:Low tech workaround by aegisalpha · · Score: 2, Funny

      I do the same thing, annoying people that look over my shoulder is a good byproduct. Now if only I could make them stop actually touching the screen when they want to point at something...

    5. Re:Low tech workaround by yoprst · · Score: 1

      Two goals with one simple action!
      Brilliant!

    6. Re:Low tech workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do the same. However there are some things that are starting to interfere with this:
        - ny times, popping up a search when you doubleclick a word ... which happens all the freakin' time when highlighting-to-read
        - all those blogs with that damn snapfish thing.

    7. Re:Low tech workaround by RuneSpyder · · Score: 1

      Another text highlighter here. I'm very spastic with it and I'm suprised I haven't worn out my mouse buttons yet.

    8. Re:Low tech workaround by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      "I thought I was the only one in the world who did that."

      For future reference, no one is the "only one in the world" who does anything. There is nothing unique, and there is no "normal"... but this completely offtopic.

      --
      "Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional."
    9. Re:Low tech workaround by cyberwench · · Score: 1

      Funny, I do the select-deselect thing too. It drives anyone in a quiet room with me completely insane. I've got no clue why I do it, either...

      --
      ~ Leilah
    10. Re:Low tech workaround by tuxicle · · Score: 1

      I'm on my third mouse in two years...

    11. Re:Low tech workaround by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Ditto here too. This practice does have practical value when you want to read something in a god awful color scheme that the highlighting will strip off.

      --
      I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
    12. Re:Low tech workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, count me in. Selecting, double and triple clicking, you name it. I also select over pictures. I sometimes scroll by selecting stuff and dragging the mouse past the window edge as well.

      I stopped doing the double and triple clicking when I switched to a tablet pc though.

    13. Re:Low tech workaround by copdk4 · · Score: 1

      Me too!! All the time.. I guess with Web pages there is so much of junk that we unconciously *trust* the segement that we highlighted but its annoying when some sites have this 'select and search' thing or the eSnap thing..

  8. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You mean they created columns?!

  9. It may be easy to read,,, by CaptainPatent · · Score: 1

    But I feel like I'm reading out of a child's book. I'll continue to take the hit in reading speed to keep my sanity!

    --
    Well, back to rejecting software patent applications.
    1. Re:It may be easy to read,,, by fitten · · Score: 1

      I agree...

      Reading that

      sample text is like

      listening to a poor speaker

      who stops

      between every few

      words to gather his

      thoughts.

      I read it in spurts... the places where text is, I read through quickly, then have a long pause for the space, then another quick spurt of text. Very annoying.

  10. Ahhh, I See ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 1

    The company has developed a product that automatically re-formats text in a way that your brain can more easily comprehend. It turns it into pictures? Maybe even into pictures of food?

    And what does this say about languages like Chinese that are written vertically?
    1. Re:Ahhh, I See ... by 93,000 · · Score: 1

      Close -- it turns it into a TV show.

    2. Re:Ahhh, I See ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese is pretty much now all written left to right like English (unless you are reading something very formal, for instance a wedding invitation). Though if you reformatted the article's way it would be very different, as there aren't even spaces between words in Chinese as it is right now.

  11. So that means... by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

    This:
                                        is now
                                    well formatted
                                          text?
  12. let me be the first to say by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    what
    the
    frak?

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  13. This is just an excuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for more page views.

  14. If it was really better... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...someone would have already invented this "new" method. Unfortunately, it's not better. The text is certainly easier to follow (which proves the research), but that's only half the battle. The formatting implies certain cues such as tone, volume, and emphasis. By reformatting the text, the software loses the original cues and accidentally adds new ones. The new cues may change the overall meaning of the text resulting in a failure to communicate.

    1. Re:If it was really better... by flynt · · Score: 2, Funny

      If it was really better someone would have already invented this "new" method.

      What a bizarre claim! You're implying that there has been no progress ever, and furthermore, there can be no progress ever!

    2. Re:If it was really better... by Himring · · Score: 1

      Exactly,

      Besides, poets have been doing this for 100s of years. Hopkins anyone?

      --
      "All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
    3. Re:If it was really better... by n3demonic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But what if the online text is mindless boring text, say an online history book. It's monotonous text which wouldn't be misconstrued if written in a different formatting. Wouldn't that help readers? Oh wait... they'd probably be sleeping anyways.

    4. Re:If it was really better... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      No. I'm saying that we have thousands of years of printed text to fall back upon. We have over 500 years of typography to rely upon. In that time, we've experimented with nearly every form of text, style, formatting, spelling, and artwork that can be imagined. Typography is practically its own branch of science at this point. Yet in all that time, no one has grasped hold of this method of formatting.

      Why?

      If you look carefully at the text we produce today, there are actually many similar examples. Poetry regularly follows such patterns, using them to express a certain spoken "tone" within the meter. Computer programs are formatted with patterns of indents to allow the eye to easily scan the listing. Advertisements use such patterns to produce a specific impact.

      So there are signs that the concept has been contemplated before. We are, in fact, using similar patterns on a daily basis. So why can't we transfer it to regular text? There must be an overriding reason?

      My opinion on what that reason is is detailed in my original post. I'd also like to state that this solution lacks elegance. When you introduce a solution to a problem, you need to make sure that it's easily adoptable. If it requires significant retraining, many will ask themselves, "is it worth the cost?"

      Is the new solution truly superior if the supposedly superior solution is more difficult to use than the solution it replaces?

    5. Re:If it was really better... by dharbee · · Score: 1

      "If it was really better someone would have already invented this "new" method."

      Um, what? So, unless something isn't better, it can't be invented? Um, what? Nothing better gets invented? I'm having a really hard time with this. Um, what?

      "The text is certainly easier to follow (which makes it better, even though I just claimed otherwise)"

      Fixed that for you.

      "The formatting implies certain cues such as tone, volume, and emphasis. By reformatting the text, the software loses the original cues and accidentally adds new ones. The new cues may change the overall meaning of the text resulting in a failure to communicate."

      And that makes it different. Which is not a synonym for "worse". You see we do this thing called learning, where we find a new way to do things, and even though it's kind of hard at first, in the long run it's more effective.

    6. Re:If it was really better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't done before because it isn't practical on paper. If text editors are written to automatically handle the formatting, it is no harder to use. As a slow reader, I think this is great, and that's all the proof I need.

    7. Re:If it was really better... by virgil_disgr4ce · · Score: 1

      This is very true. Reading the Moby Dick excerpt was just downright strange because the line breaks / enjambment imply certain hierarchical emphases. Obviously that's partly the point of what they did -- but I couldn't get over how different it *felt* to read Moby Dick that way. I kept longing for the original paragraphs, which somehow seemed more dignified, more like "literature." I suppose the LiveInk version just looks so much shorter, lending the prose an artificial sense of brevity, and divesting it of its literary "weight."

      All subjective and artificial, of course, yet surprising how incredibly ingrained these senses have become. I concluded that I'd happily sacrifice any ostensible speed or efficiency gain for the original paragraphical prose!

    8. Re:If it was really better... by Akatosh · · Score: 2, Funny

      already invented, people talk like that all the time on irc

    9. Re:If it was really better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not even new. It's very similar to the speed reading course I took 20 years ago.

    10. Re:If it was really better... by dharbee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Why?"

      Because paper costs money and space is limited. Both of these explanations are superior to yours.

      "Poetry regularly follows such patterns, using them to express a certain spoken "tone" within the meter."

      Poetry is not a legitimate comparison. Poetry is frequently formatted with no regard whatsoever to how easy it is to read. Often, the formatting is done to preserve tings which actually make it harder to read, on purpose.

      "So why can't we transfer it to regular text? There must be an overriding reason?"

      Because paper costs money and space is limited. Both of these explanations are superior to yours.

      "When you introduce a solution to a problem, you need to make sure that it's easily adoptable."

      No actually you don't.

      "Is the new solution truly superior if the supposedly superior solution is more difficult to use than the solution it replaces?"

      Did you really say this? How many things did you learn as a child that you found a better way to do later, but had to learn first? If it's difficult at first, but then becomes more efficient after learning, then yes it is better.

      It seems that ultimately your only real objection is that this is "inelegant", which has caused you to manufacture other spurious objections in order to justify your dislike of this methods aesthetics.

    11. Re:If it was really better... by mblase · · Score: 1
      From the article on the technology itself:

      The VSTF method also helps readers identify the syntactic structure of a sentence. Syntax is more complex than a simple, concatenated sequence of one phrase after another; rather, it is hierarchical, much like a set of Russian dolls in which smaller dolls, or phrase-groups, are "nested" inside ever-larger ones. The human mind's capacity to build sentences through the recursive process of nesting language units inside other units is the essential feature that enables human language to represent an infinite number of meanings


      I had to re-read that a few times to get what it means. But if we reformat it, like so:

      The VSTF method
          also helps readers
              identify the syntactic structure
                  of a sentence.

      Syntax
          is more complex
              than a simple, concatenated sequence
                  of one phrase
                      after another;
      rather,
          it is hierarchical,
              much like a set of Russian dolls
                  in which smaller dolls,
                          or phrase-groups,
                      are "nested"
                          inside ever-larger ones.

      The human mind's capacity
              to build sentences
                  through the recursive process
                      of nesting language units
                          inside other units
          is the essential feature
              that enables human language
                  to represent
                      an infinite number
                          of meanings.

      I find it hard to argue that that's not easier to understand on first inspection than the original.
    12. Re:If it was really better... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Because paper costs money and space is limited. Both of these explanations are superior to yours.

      This is merely supposition. In order to claim superiority, you must first prove that supposition true. As I see it, screen space is just as limited as paper space. It may be cheaper, but modern paper was never expensive to begin with.

      Believe what you will, but I guarantee that this research will dead-end. We will not be utilizing this development within our lifetimes, if ever.
    13. Re:If it was really better... by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      The formatting implies certain cues such as tone, volume, and emphasis.

      Indeed, it makes a normal text sound like a poem or a haiku.

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    14. Re:If it was really better... by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The new cues may change the overall meaning of the text resulting in a failure to communicate.

      I think this might be my only objection to the idea. I went to their site and started reading Moby Dick, and it immediately occurred to me that, by changing the formating, it changed the way I was reading the text. I think it does make reading the text easier, but it made me read the text more like poetry, and in poetry, line breaks often have a sort of significance. A line break tends to change the timing, almost like a form of punctuation.

      If you think about it, we often use whitespace like punctuation. I just did-- I broke to a new paragraph to signify that I was shifting focus. Maybe this is something fairly innate in people, or maybe it's strictly conventional. Either way, that's how we all read. Whitespace is punctuation. Therefore, it's not clear to me that it's necessarily appropriate to go adding whitespace to other people's writing without considering the effect on meaning.

      Consider if someone published a copy of Moby Dick with new punctuation, periods and commas where they weren't before, and dropping some commas and periods. Let's say they broke up paragraphs how they wanted and not how Melville wrote them. Could they make it more readable? Perhaps. But it's trickier to ask whether such an act would be appropriate. By changing the punctuation and whitespace, you change the cadence and timing, and potentially the meaning. I'm sure Faulkner could be edited to make it more readable, but readability isn't everything.

    15. Re:If it was really better... by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      The human mind's capacity to build sentences through the recursive process of nesting language units inside other units is the essential feature that enables human language to represent an infinite number of meanings.

      I find it hard to argue that that's not easier to understand on first inspection than the original.

      Actually, I have a hard time reading it when it's formatted like that because my brain is trying to "build sentences through the recursive process of nesting language units inside other units" when someone has already done so. I find it hard to "turn off" the part of my brain that does that, and it trips me up. I have to read slowly and carefully or I get "derailed".

      Perhaps this is something that comes naturally to some people and others (like myself) have to work to learn. Maybe this will lead to some new insights on how different people process written language.

    16. Re:If it was really better... by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      Consider if someone published a copy of Moby Dick with new punctuation, periods and commas where they weren't before, and dropping some commas and periods. Let's say they broke up paragraphs how they wanted and not how Melville wrote them. Could they make it more readable? Perhaps. But it's trickier to ask whether such an act would be appropriate.
      That brings up some great literary / philosophical questions:
      • Is Moby Dick still Moby Dick if you reformat it?
      • Should this be considered a "translation" of the original work?
      • Do you need to inform consumers that they are not purchasing Moby Dick in its original format?
      • Is it deceptive not to tell them?
    17. Re:If it was really better... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Well clearly some amount of reformatting has been considered fine. We change the typeface and font size, page size, etc. This means line breaks might change from one edition to another and we accept that. But those are incidental line breaks which we don't find meaningful in prose block-formatting. If you change the paragraph breaks instead, I think that crosses a line which might potentially be problematic.

    18. Re:If it was really better... by Highrollr · · Score: 1

      What we have here... is failure to communicate.

    19. Re:If it was really better... by Llywelyn · · Score: 1

      Typography is practically its own branch of science at this point. Yet in all that time, no one has grasped hold of this method of formatting.

      Maybe not, but the basic concepts behind it are as old as dirt in technical writing. Any tech writer with any training whatsoever will tell you that blocks of text are bad for comprehension and that breaking things apart into bulleted lists, titled sections, and including interspersed diagrams improves reading comprehension.

      This just appears to be an extension on that concept.

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    20. Re:If it was really better... by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      I would agree that changing paragraph breaks is a good example of "a change that will in some way affect how many readers interpret the text" and may be problematic. However, I'm not certain what measures we should use to determine if the result is:

      1. Only incidentally different from the original
      2. Different in meaning from the original, but still retaining the original's "character" (an editted work)
      3. Different in language or media from the original while maintaining the author's "voice" as much as possible (a translation)
      4. A re-telling of the story in a different media (an adaptation)
      5. A new work in its own right (an "inspired work")

      These lines traditionally have been blurred, but this type of formatting throws a whole new wrench in the works.

    21. Re:If it was really better... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure there's a hard method that can make that sort of determination. It seems like it's something we should be cognizant of when we make any alterations, we should make efforts to preserve the original, and note (to the audience) which changes have been made.

      I think that, even if this new way of reading Moby Dick is easier, I would probably choose to read the original block-formatted version instead. However, I might prefer reading the scientific paper formatted in this new system, particularly because I'm trying to grab information rather than absorb the voice of the author.

    22. Re:If it was really better... by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      This will only help readers until it becomes the "normal" way of reading. Once that happens, if it ever does (which I highly doubt) then people will go back to losing the same amount of information they lose now.

      I suspect that's the difference in their test results. The test subjects are paying more attention to what they are reading simply because it's not in a familiar form and they are then forced to read more carefully. You can't skim something that doesn't hold a familiar form simply because you brain hasn't figured out which words will be important. Once it does, you'll be able to skip those words once again. Highlighting key words does some of that for you, but it's imcomplete, at least with their sample texts, and therefore you still have to work harder for the same results. (An initial reading for comprehension)

      Consider reading poetry, and why people have to focus when they read it out loud. It forces pauses and intonations in unusual places (often) but also it doesn't flow the way you expect it to because you're used to reading full sentences. If you read poetry all the time, that discomfort goes away and it becomes very simple to read, so you "skim" again, where you wouldn't have as a new reader.

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    23. Re:If it was really better... by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure there's a hard method that can make that sort of determination. It seems like it's something we should be cognizant of when we make any alterations, we should make efforts to preserve the original, and note (to the audience) which changes have been made.

      In this day and age, we should always be aware of the importance of preserving original documents (or replicating them as accurately as possible). If something in the latest revision needs clarification, it is often insightful to examine where and when things changed.

      I think that, even if this new way of reading Moby Dick is easier, I would probably choose to read the original block-formatted version instead. However, I might prefer reading the scientific paper formatted in this new system, particularly because I'm trying to grab information rather than absorb the voice of the author.

      I think that ideally we should be able to access the information we want in any format we want. If your objective is to "read the author" then the original format is likely the best. If you just want the info, pick the format that works best for you.

      On a related note about translation, in spite of the translator's best efforts, you often learn a lot more by reading the original language as written by the author. Just as you say you'd prefer to read Moby Dick in its original formats, I never hear anyone calling for "Modern English" translations of Shakespeare. People would rather "muddle through" the original text even though a translation would be much easier to read. And one of these days, I'd like to read some Cervantes in the original language in spite of my quite rusty Spanish skills.

    24. Re:If it was really better... by RichDiesal · · Score: 1

      This research likely will dead-end, but not because "no one thought of it before." The reason it's developing now is because it's being studied by a handful of psychology Ph.D.s (I have connections to a couple of them), who are studying this from a different perspective than most linguists have in the past.

      The actual research, which this article ignores (as most articles do) shows that the Live Ink software actually hurts text processing ability in individuals who are already moderately skilled at English. Who it does help are people trying to pick up English as a second (or third, or fourth...) language, or those who have trouble with parsing (individuals below the first or second standard deviation in verbal ability). Marked verb positions make it substantially easier for people parsing the sentence with another linguistic background to figure out where the subject, verb and object are located.

      The major hurdle, of course, is that once they have learned English with the help of this software, it's substantially harder to move back to blocked text.

      The effect of using the software is also much larger for very complicated sentences, while the gain for simple sentences (such as the ones used in the examples on the page) are minute.

      I am confident that this area of research will die out, but not until it dies with the academics that introduced it.

    25. Re:If it was really better... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      This sounds a bit like trying to teach the piano by numbering the notes. "Phasing" someone into the sheet music sounds like a good idea, but they end up becoming too reliant on the numbers. The result is that they end up having to learn how to read sheet music from scratch anyway.

      The only effective method is to just teach the concept.

    26. Re:If it was really better... by dharbee · · Score: 1

      "This is merely supposition. In order to claim superiority, you must first prove that supposition true."

      Just so I'm clear, what do you want proof of, the fact that paper costs money or that space is limited? And ARE YOU SERIOUS?

      "As I see it, screen space is just as limited as paper space."

      I said "space" not "paper space"

      "It may be cheaper, but modern paper was never expensive to begin with."

      Totally irrelevant. More costs more money, that's all that is necessary.

      Please, if you respond this time, try to actually address my points.

    27. Re:If it was really better... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Just so I'm clear, what do you want proof of, the fact that paper costs money or that space is limited?

      Neither. Both are accepted. What is supposition is that these two facts prove the superiority of the new reading concept. Basic logic.

      I said "space" not "paper space"

      Your so-called "point" is that the new method is superior because technology does away with the limited space on paper, correct? Therefore, you are referring to "paper space". Screen space is just as limited. In most cases, even more so. GUIs get around this problem by offering scrolling, but the article does not mention studies into the disruptiveness of scrolling on the reading process. If you have to scroll more, you may be losing the benefits that researchers are so keen to introduce.

      Totally irrelevant. More costs more money, that's all that is necessary.

      It is NOT irrelevant. If this method is truly as superior as is claimed, then it would have many potential benefits in printed media. For example, we print books with extremely large type for those with exceptionally poor eyesight. (Check your library sometime. Many libraries have a special section devoted to these books.) Books utilizing this new method could be printed to assist those with reading disabilities. Yet they haven't. Thus we can deduce that there are potential problems with the methodology itself. Simple logic.

      Please, if you respond this time, try to actually address my points.

      Funny. I was just about to say the same thing.

      Also, you may be interested in RichDiesel's post above. He provides an expert opinion that kind of blows your suppositions out of the water.
    28. Re:If it was really better... by cmburns69 · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of a classic simpsons eposode where the attorney Lionel Hutz fixes a type on his business card:

      Works for free
      No retainer required

      ----- Becomes... -----

      Works for free?
      No! retainer required

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  15. Saw something similar before by MontyApollo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Years ago I saw a shareware program that was supposed to help you read text faster. I think they were basing it upon a different principle involving eye movement speed, but it would be a compatible idea to this approach. You would just look at a certain fixed point on a blank page and it would feed you one word at time at whatever speed you select. The words always showed up at the same position, so in terms of this article your "straw" would be in a fixed position.

    I was able to read quite a bit faster, but I did not have the money to spend on it at the time. I also wasn't sure how useful it would be outside of novels.

    1. Re:Saw something similar before by SQLGuru · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've been reading through straws (tubes?) since the early days of the Internet......I get most of my "news" online now (I use the term loosely because, well, I read /. afterall).

      Layne

    2. Re:Saw something similar before by bmo · · Score: 1

      Before the invention of desktop computers, this is the exact way I boosted my reading speed in elementary school.

      There were these little projectors you could take with you to a corner or wherever. The film strip had words on it and there was a dial you could turn. It displayed one word at a time. You set the dial to where you could barely keep up, and as you got more comfortable at higher speeds, you turned the dial up more.

      Very effective.

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      BMO

    3. Re:Saw something similar before by Jeremy_Bee · · Score: 1

      The fact that this research is nothing new is also the thing that cought my eye about this article. No where does it mention previous research on these topics. In fact, to read the press release you would think they developed these ideas all by themselves when there is actually a lot of "prior art" and prior research on this.

      I don't have the references, but as recently as a few years ago there was a patent issued (and a start-up company associated with it), that re-formatted text as single words presented to the user full-screen. The two scientists that came up with the idea found out that reading speed and comprehension could be dramatically increased if each word in a sentence was flashed full-screen for a split-second, followed by the next, and the next, etc. This flickering presentation worked quite well, and was touted as "ideal for portable computing" where small screen text size is an issue. Despite the fact that it works, it never caught on because people just didn't want to read like that. The only use I have seen of it anywhere is in a couple of TV commercials.

      Research in the early 90's (again no reference, possibly the same source?), also determined that individuals with Dyslexia and other reading disorders could effectively eliminate their problems by focussing on one word at a time.

      Cardboard sheets with little rectangular holes in the middle were handed out to Dyslexia suffer's in High Schools and their problems with reading evaporated (at least as long as they always read material using the square). Again the problem here really is that people don't *want* to read that way or use a cumbersome aid even though to do so would technically imporve their reading skills.

      Sure we could all read websites faster and more efficiently if they were written in Haiku's, but don't hold your breath waiting for it to catch on as a world-wide standard.

    4. Re:Saw something similar before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wrote a program like this eight years ago, and it can still be found here. Doesn't seem to work with wine properly, but at least is free if you have windows.

    5. Re:Saw something similar before by bmo · · Score: 1

      "I don't have the references, but as recently as a few years ago there was a patent issued (and a start-up company associated with it), that re-formatted text as single words presented to the user full-screen."

      Another "just because it's on a computer it gets a patent" idiocy. The idea is at least 35 years old according to personal direct experience.

      Anyway, a sort-of flash example. Not for scientific purposes. Might be safe for work or not. It's just text and jazz:

      http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/samsung.php

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    6. Re:Saw something similar before by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1
      've been reading through straws (tubes?) since the early days of the Internet

      Get broadband already. Dial-up is so 20th century. Get the full rush of the tubes and quit sipping life through a straw.

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    7. Re:Saw something similar before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the "RSVP Reader" extension for Firefox does exactly that, but I havent played with it yet.

    8. Re:Saw something similar before by Proteus · · Score: 1

      You would just look at a certain fixed point on a blank page and it would feed you one word at time at whatever speed you select. The words always showed up at the same position, so in terms of this article your "straw" would be in a fixed position.

      I was able to read quite a bit faster, but I did not have the money to spend on it at the time. I also wasn't sure how useful it would be outside of novels.
      The sad thing is that such an approach actually defeats one of the best tools for increasing reading speed and comprehension.

      In my formative years, I was fortunate enough to attend a school that taught reading in a fairly non-traditional way. Of course, I started like everyone else: learn to read letters, then groups of letters that make sounds (phonetic groups), then phonetic groups that make up words. The difference is that once we had been taught a reasonable level of skill in this regard (and a decent base vocabulary), we continued the pattern -- we learned to read groups of words as phrases, then phrases as sentences.

      That is, we learned not to read a phrase or sentence as a string of words, but as a discrete unit of information. Most people are never taught this (though many avid readers figure it out on their own, whether consciously or not).

      The result for my life is that I can read even fairly technical documentation very quickly, and without sacrificing comprehension. People I know who learned this method later in life claim that it's actually improved comprehension. I'm not exactly a "speed reader", by most definitions, but I do read significantly faster than average -- even when that average is among avid readers.

      The "straw" approach of only seeing a word or two defeats both the speed and comprehension of readers who've learned to process information this way. Maybe it's better in that it would require less training than the method I'm used to -- I don't know -- but it's certainly not any better for me.

      The only link I could find before I stopped caring to search was a company who wants to sell their services, but they describe the basic idea I'm referring to: MindTools is their name.
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    9. Re:Saw something similar before by reynols · · Score: 1

      The technique is called Rapid Serial Visual Presentation (RSVP). It's been around for decades, but has never really caught on. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_Serial_Visual_P resentation for a good starting point for information on RSVP.

  16. Slower reading speeds? by UncleTogie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... uploading superfluous information from the two lines above and the two lines below...The result is slower reading speeds and decreased comprehension.
    WTF? This is how I've always done speed-reading...
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    1. Re:Slower reading speeds? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Funny

      WTF? This is how I've always done speed-reading... I always do my speed reading by skipping the article and just posting on /.
    2. Re:Slower reading speeds? by t0rkm3 · · Score: 1

      That was my first response.

      However they seem to have done a fair job of arranging the data in a manner that emulates word span.
      Though, their formatting forces you into a 2-3word span, which would be frustrating if you were used to a more liberal 6 to 7 word span.

      Oh well, I don't think this will go anywhere due to printing arrangement problems and broken page down keys.

    3. Re:Slower reading speeds? by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 1

      Quite - speed reading techniques rely on you being able to read multiple lines at a time.

      The example image in the article is incredibly poor. Personally I could read the "before live ink" at least twice as fast (if not for our five) as the "after live ink" version, and with a higher level of comprehension. I found the coloured text in the "after" image to be confusing, since it drew my eye to those words, and they seemed to be fairly randomly selected. Indeed since colouring implies emphasis, this made the text less comprehensible to me.

      The notion also that one can only focus on a small circular area, which they characterise as "the straw" is slightly flawed. This would be true if you had only one eye. Since most of us are binocular, we tend to be able to focus on a more oval area. Speed reading techniques take advantage of that.

      It seems to me that this re-formatting could be advantageous only to those folks that have poor concentration abilities and a short attention span. For the rest of us I'd suggest practicing speed reading techniques.

    4. Re:Slower reading speeds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? This is how I've always done speed-reading...


      Yeah, but your way of reading, don't make them any money.
    5. Re:Slower reading speeds? by Cruise_WD · · Score: 1

      Exactly - I found this absolutely /horrible/ to read and very much slower.

      But then I speed read, so I'm taking in almost complete paragraphs at a time anyway - having the eye process several lines simultaneously is what enables me to do that.

      This is like training wheels for readers...perhaps that's why children's books have traditionally used lots of indentation and numerous line-breaks?

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    6. Re:Slower reading speeds? by alisson · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean it couldn't be faster. Assuming you don't have narrow rectangular eyes, you probably do read the surrounding words. Did you check the sample text? You may notice a large improvement in both speed you can read, as well as the ease of doing so.

    7. Re:Slower reading speeds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? This is how I've always done speed-reading...

      Absolutely. Reading speed is improved when the blocks of text have a width that matches what can be seen (in focus) without having to move the eyes. Fast readers place their eyes on the middle of the line and just scroll vertically. Moreover, they don't jump from one line to the next but make much bigger vertical jumps. Indeed, many lines (obviously that depends on the font size) can be seen without moving the eyes. A trained reader can read a page of a pocket sized book in a single shot, by just placing the eyes in the middle of the page. If the width of the text is too small, then you're wasting your time...

      Granted, most of the text available sucks in terms of readability (and this post is no exception), because the horizontal width of the text is too large to be grasped without moving the eyes horizontally.

    8. Re:Slower reading speeds? by Peganthyrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes! All that randomly placed red text slowed me way down. It's like comic book dialogue with the emphasis placed even more randomly.

      I have also wired myself to read quickly for years; I probably do somewhat parallellize the processing of the sentences.

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    9. Re:Slower reading speeds? by AaronW · · Score: 1

      I noticed the same thing. I think a good part of that is just the narrower columns, which requires less eye movement. I can read fairly quickly, but narrower columns help me read faster since I don't have to track each line of text nearly as much.

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    10. Re:Slower reading speeds? by Bamafan77 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      WTF? This is how I've always done speed-reading...
      Everyone claiming to speed read is probably just scanning text. True speed reading (1000 words per minute with high comprehension) is basically a myth.
    11. Re:Slower reading speeds? by alisson · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it was pretty cool.

      Completely impractical, but interesting :)

    12. Re:Slower reading speeds? by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Once you learn how to block sentences at a time, the issue of being "confused" by the lines above and below go away. Reading 120-150 pages an hour at 80% retention/comprehension is plenty fast enough. Being able to do that requires a lot of practice though, and most people can still only read 30-40 pages an hour of anything but fluff with comprehension and retention.

      It's interesting that just a few years ago, people were saying we should all be reading paragraphs at a time because that's what our eyes see. Now they're saying the opposite and the fact that our eyes see more is what's keeping us back. There must be some happy middle ground somewhere.

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    13. Re:Slower reading speeds? by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. In fact, I was going to ask where the itsatrap tag is.

      I, for one think TFA is just an elaborate attempt to trick /.ers into actually reading the article for once.

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  17. Looks Like an Ad or Poster by UCRowerG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone else see the similarity between the formatted text and what many advertisers and graphic designers have been doing for years?

    1. Re:Looks Like an Ad or Poster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone else see the similarity between the formatted text and what many advertisers and graphic designers have been doing for years?

      Of course because this is nothing but an advertisement looking for funding.

    2. Re:Looks Like an Ad or Poster by ilovechristy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget about zapreader - zapreader.com

    3. Re:Looks Like an Ad or Poster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, advertisers have known about this for a long time. Reading a web page formatted that way would be hell for me, because I've trained my eyes to ignore the ads and find the real information before I start reading. Well, maybe it wouldn't be a problem if there were no ads on the page. (I can dream, can't I?)

  18. Thinking through a straw by Anarchysoft · · Score: 1

    Scientific research conducted by Walker Reading Technologies, a small Minnesota startup that has been studying our ability to read for the last ten years, has concluded that the natural field of focus for our eyes is circular, so our eyes view the printed page as if we're peering through a straw.

    And a very bad-behaving straw at that, because not only do our eyes feed our brain the words we're reading, they're also uploading characters and words from the two sentences above and below the line we're reading. Every time we read block text, we're forcing our brain to a wage a constant subconscious battle with itself to filter and discard the superfluous inputs. Reading is a novel form of playing back spoken communication. The bottle neck of reading comprehension is not seeing the words, but translating them into the thoughts they correspond to in the correct context. By seeing the words before and after, the understanding of the text's context is improved. This is also why it can be useful to very quickly skim or scan a text before reading it in more detail.
  19. Less confusing? by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's supposed to be LESS confusing? My eye jumps to the colored words first, which appear to be picked almost randomly. (It looks like they are actually the verbs of the sentences.) Then I have to force my eye back to the beginning of the sentence and try to ignore the different colors. Then, because there's a break between that sentence and the next, I have to do the same thing all over again.

    And what's the difference if my eyes are pulling words from the previous and next sentence or the pieces of the current one? It's still giving me information that I don't need -right now- in the sentence.

    And the additional poem-like formatting is also confusing, as special formatting usually -means- something.

    Training myself to read this, which is only used online and only if licensed by this company, would be a hassle. And used very little.

    --
    "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
    1. Re:Less confusing? by Trevin · · Score: 1

      I found the coloration on venturebeat.com's example very distracting as well. It actually slows down reading.

      But the original page does not colorize the sample text. Personally I don't find it that much easier to read than the traditional block, but at least it's not less easy.

    2. Re:Less confusing? by pla · · Score: 1

      That's supposed to be LESS confusing? My eye jumps to the colored words first, which appear to be picked almost randomly. (It looks like they are actually the verbs of the sentences.)

      Yes, the verbs have the colors - I presume they do this because our brains tend to prefer actions over concepts, so by making "action" words more pronounced, we can more quickly grasp the meaning of the text.

      Personally, I normally hate ideas like this (and I've tried a few, and found they all either caused massive eye strain after a few minutes, or failed to make the text easier to read)... And this one, I have to admit, I like.

      I did notice on the first sentence the same problems you mention - But for the rest, I caught on to how you should scan it - Scroll your eye smoothly downward, with a once-per-sentence horizontal component going from the upper left to lower right (so a sawtooth-like pattern). Once I did that, I found I didn't even have to "try" to read the text, I just understood it from the visual scan itself.



      And the additional poem-like formatting is also confusing, as special formatting usually -means- something.

      With bulleted lists and some particularly annoying poetry, the formatting means something. 99% of the the time, formatting means "that many words fit between the margins before the basically-arbitrary start of the next line". So reformatting would only rarely lose info (in which context, you probably wouldn't use the suggested flow pattern).

    3. Re:Less confusing? by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Okay, I tried scanning it instead of reading it... And if you are trying to read it -FAST-, it's better than the regular text. Since I've been an avid reader for decades, I have no idea how this would work for someone who only reads when they have to, instead of for pleasure.

      My complaint about the formatting isn't losing something, but rather that my head tries to make the formatting mean something while I'm reading. Most formatting is indeed 'what fits', but one side is almost always a block in those cases. When both sides have odd formatting, my head wants it to mean something.

      --
      "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
    4. Re:Less confusing? by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      I spent time on the company's website. If you go past the eye-grabbing intro piece and view their samples, there are no colors and the flow became quite natural and comfortable after the first few pages. IMHO, this is a worthwhile concept. I found I had to re-read sentences far fewer times using the sample files they provided.

      Another important thing to note (also from the vendor's site) is that this is a teaching tool. Once familiar with identifying the textual structure, readers can return to block text and find a significant improvement in reading speed and comprehension.

      --
      I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
    5. Re:Less confusing? by onemorechip · · Score: 1
      I did find it easier. With the normal rasterization of the text, the eye has to work a lot harder, jumping from the end of one line to the beginning of the next. With long paragraphs, it is easy to jump to the wrong line with each retracing. The shorter lines mean shorter retracing (almost no retracing, since the lines are short enough to absorb in one glance), and with the indentation, the eye simply drops to the next line, so the chance of landing on the wrong line is nearly eliminated.

      The only retracing occurs with the slightly longer lines ("to dissolve the political bands" in the Declaration of Independence example from your link) or when the indentation shifts significantly to the left, (as between "connected them with another" and "and to assume"). The example might be improved by indenting "and to assume" more than it is; perhaps the indentation should be calculated so that the distance from the end of line N to the beginning of line N+1 is constant, except for an occasional reset to prevent the text from wandering off the right edge of the page.

      --
      But, I wanted socialized health insurance!
    6. Re:Less confusing? by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      The formatting in the examples does have syntactical, if not semantic, significance. It looks to me like they have the following rules (conjecture from looking at the examples): 1. Break at the start of a clause or prepositional phrase; 2. Break for verbs, unless it is too soon after a break due to rule 1 (but I have no idea why the Declaration of Independence example has a break between "have" and "connected", since the conjugated verb here is "have connected"); 3. Use cues such as commas and verb phrases to decide when to shift the indentation to the left; else, shift the indentation to the right with each line.

      --
      But, I wanted socialized health insurance!
    7. Re:Less confusing? by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      That's supposed to be LESS confusing? My eye jumps to the colored words first, which appear to be picked almost randomly. (It looks like they are actually the verbs of the sentences.) Then I have to force my eye back to the beginning of the sentence and try to ignore the different colors. Then, because there's a break between that sentence and the next, I have to do the same thing all over again.

      And what's the difference if my eyes are pulling words from the previous and next sentence or the pieces of the current one? It's still giving me information that I don't need -right now- in the sentence.

      And the additional poem-like formatting is also confusing, as special formatting usually -means- something.

      Training myself to read this, which is only used online and only if licensed by this company, would be a hassle. And used very little.


      I agree that the poem like formatting is screwing me up and causing me to think in a rhythm that isn't actually intended by the content. OTOH, I actually quite like the idea of giving text some vertical structure to hang on to when moving from line to line. I think we have all found ourselves reading the same line three times or skipping a line because our eye managed to lose track of "V-Sync." I'd hate it if a few web pages did this, but I could see a firefox extension that could do a milder form of this for all web pages as being interesting to a small minority that appreciates it.

      Multi-column ragged-right printing basically has a similar advantage over justified long lines that this does. More readily identifiable vertical structure so that they eye can zoom along like it was being guided by sprocket holes in film.

      Of course, the hypothetical firefox extension would need to be able to tone down the degree to which the formatting is messed up, compared to the example. The example is too extreme for my tastes. I'd make the randomly colored words a bit more subtle, so the eye can catch them, but isn't as horribly drawn to them, and I'd waste a lot less space. Maybe give every work an X % variation from the main color text so that you don't wind up with specific words being inexplicably emphasized, but you do still get chromatic variation to aid tracking. As an extension on that, perhaps the algorithm could use a tendency toward pastels if it doesn't know the part of speech, warm tones if it thinks it is a verb with good certainty, and cool tones if it thinks it is a noun.
  20. This study subsidized by the paper industry by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 1

    When looking at their example on how to "best" format text for comprehension, I was amazed at how much space it took up. Clearly a cabal of paper and timber industries are behind this study, hoping to produce widely space-inefficient books.

    To add insult to injury, I found the new version to look like evil dada poetry, essentially incomprehensible. The bright red bold words made my brain hurt even more.

  21. Summary by norminator · · Score: 5, Funny

    I couldn't understand the summary... there is too much text there in one big block. Could someone please explain it to me... maybe reformat it so it's easier to read?

    1. Re:Summary by Aminion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Summary: buy our product.

    2. Re:Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sure...

      Scientists...at...a...small...startup...called...W alker...Reading...Technologies...in...Minnesota... have...determined...that...the...human...brain...i s...not...wired...properly...to...read...block...t ext....They...have...found...that...our...eyes...v iew...text...as...if...they're...peering...through ...a...straw....Not...only...does...your...brain.. .see...the...text...on...the...line...you're...rea ding,...but...it's...also...uploading...superfluou s...information...from...the...two...lines...above ...and...the...two...lines...below....This...cause s...your...brain...to...engage...in...a...tug...of ...war...as...it...fights...to...filter...and...ig nore...the...noise....The...result...is...slower.. .reading...speeds...and...decreased...comprehensio n....The...company...has...developed...a...product ...that...automatically...re-formats...text...in.. .a...way...that...your...brain...can...more...easi ly...comprehend.
    3. Re:Summary by Yes+BlueBerries · · Score: 1

      Stepware already sells a product (AceReader) for speed reading and has options to split the text in phrases and other text sizes with a option to flash the text at the center of the screen, so your eyes don't have to move or the regular way of seeing text. Stepware doesn't have to option of adding colored text for parts of speech to part of the older company. Hope they have an option to change the colours as needed to help students who have some degree of color blindness or bold/font changes.


      Also note as was posted earlier, IEEE put out an article on how some of the newer ClearType fonts from MS are easier to read online than the older fonts like Verdana and Times. There are lots of things that can improve ones reading, but this seems like mostly a marketing tool. Save money adjust the window to a narrower width, increase font size and use auto-scrolling. In addition, there are plug-ins/ handicap accessibility options to read text on the screen for people who read slower than subvocalization problems cause.


      Sounds like a great business idea to hype a new company and get lots of free advertising by getting it on slashdot, also. The marketing person did a great job kudos.

  22. Wow. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess there really is something to be said for haphazard scrawling of random broken sentences which trail annoyingly around the page.

    It looks like there are quite a few Vogon-poetry hopefuls in sororities and coffeehouses to whom I owe an apology!

  23. Great for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    online advertisting! If you thought an article spanning 10 pages was bad, wait till they become 40-50.

    1. Re:Great for... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that due to the shorter line lengths, there's much more horiziontal space to advertise on.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  24. FAQs by Therlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course their FAQs are not posted in that format.

    1. Re:FAQs by Dolmangar · · Score: 1

      No one seems to have mentioned anything about security and privacy. From reading their FAQ:

      "I closed ClipRead, and when I re-opened it, it showed the last thing I had submitted. Are you saving a copy of the text I submit?

      No. ClipRead takes whatever is on your virtual Clipboard, and submits it to our parsers. Anytime you highlight and copy something, it is saved to your Clipboard, and it will remain there until you highlight and copy something else."

      The key being that "and submits to our parsers". The way I understood their information you have to copy and send the text to them. Which means that they read everything that you read. Seems a little scary to me and my tin foil hat.

    2. Re:FAQs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. The first answer makes quite a good example as to how annoying it is to read anything longer than the example in the arcticle with their reformatting ...

  25. what we're used to by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this really does help us in the long run. We're so used to reading blocks of text that any other form of text may well confuse us. After all if you're left handed for 20 years using your right hand to do the same task is very disorientating.

    The example picture is also manipulated unfairly. It has colour changes in the text, which unfairly breaks the smaller blocks of text up, where as the single block is confusing because it is clearly not ment to be read in such a way. It is written like a children's book and so it has short 3-6 word phrases put together. Which does not make for a nice long readable sentence like the (mispelled) non-sense I am putting here.

    --
    I like muppets.
    1. Re:what we're used to by tppublic · · Score: 1
      It is written like a children's book and so it has short 3-6 word phrases put together. Which does not make for a nice long readable sentence like the (mispelled) non-sense I am putting here.

      Good writing mixes long and short sentences, because writing entirely composed of long sentences can be hard to read. I actually think the point you are trying to make is similar to what others are also highlighting. AKAImBatman makes the point about emphasis, which can be established in text by altering the meter of the sentences. The new format destroys this information. By using color changes and formatting to increase reading speed, the emphasis may be changed from communicating information to communicating data.

      ===

      The paragraph I wrote above is crafted to bring attention to the short sentence: "The new format destroys this information". In fact, that's all I really want people to remember - the rest is for context. Certainly, the message isn't as strong as it could be (I'm writing this in a matter of minutes, not revising over the course of hours), but the meter creates the emphasis. Given the use of color and formatting to convert longer phrases into short blocks (thus eliminating meter), I am curious how well that summary message would be transferred if my paragraph were reformatted in the "Live Ink" layout.

  26. compression by 0xDAVE · · Score: 1

    Block text may not be the optimal layout for readability but it certainly better for use of space. Is the cost of reduced readability worth it for the space compression achieved? I personally highlight bits while I'm reading, it helps me focus and read quickly anyway. I suppose it will be useful in advertising...

  27. This is great... by pointbeing · · Score: 4, Funny

    The company has developed a product that automatically re-formats text in a way that your brain can more easily comprehend. Pictures of Japanese schoolgirls?
    --
    we see things not as as they are, but as we are.
    -- anais nin
  28. Damn by sconeu · · Score: 1

    This sounds like my (abandoned) Masters thesis.

    Seriously.

    I was working in the realm of CHI, and had come up with the concept that whatever you're looking at *now* is most important, so I had come up with the concept of "bifocal text windows", where you had a bifocal effect, making a part of the text larger.

    --
    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    1. Re:Damn by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 1

      This sounds like my (abandoned) Masters thesis.

      Seriously. That's a shame.

      Serioulsy.

      Had you stuck with it you could have been on /.
  29. Ode to a Filter by adamjaskie · · Score: 2, Funny

    I try to forrmat my writing In a way that is easy to read. But Slashdot has Lameness filtering That makes it difficult indeed.

    --
    /usr/games/fortune
    1. Re:Ode to a Filter by adamjaskie · · Score: 4, Funny

      I try to forrmat my writing
      In a way that is easy to read.
      But Slashdot has Lameness filtering
      That makes it difficult indeed.

      The preview button yells to me
      "Use me! Use me!" I hear it shout.
      Alas, my naughty fingers flee
      A bit to the left; I've lost this bout.

      --
      /usr/games/fortune
  30. Paper vs. Screen by Notquitecajun · · Score: 1

    I always found that my main problem is that reading from paper is STILL better than the light from a computer screen. My eyes get less tired, and I can focus better on what I am able to do. I wonder what the challenge is to create a computer screen that does a better job at simulating the reflected??(I Am Not a Physics Major)light from paper rather than the self-generated light from a computer screen.

    Alas, I can't print out everything I need to read, as that would take too dang long and build up this stack o shredding material I have let lay too long.

    1. Re:Paper vs. Screen by Bamafan77 · · Score: 1
      Agree completely! My coworkers make fun of me for printing out everything (articles, code, emails, etc) but a computer monitor is a terrible medium for actively reading text (marking things up, etc) and like you, my eyes get tired much faster reading a backlit screen.

      I only use my monitor when something is really short, I need to *search* for something, I need to transfer something in digitized form, or if I'm actively writing in code for an algorithm I've already worked out (most programmers only know how to "program" on the computer...sadly this will confuse most "programmers" out there. :) ).

      So computers are great for storing, searching, and transfering information. However, they suck at allowing people to *process* it.

  31. Ever read poetry? by Hoplite3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In poetry, this sort of formatting is common. But the formatting implies emphasis, inflection, and so on. All of the readers know this, consciously or not. So their perception of what the text says will be different. Block text adds little emphasis (although short paragraphs convey faster action).

    Also, while it is true that people stumble on the text above or below a line, this effect can be helpful if you're skimming. It would be a pain to skim a ten (block paragraph) page of text in this poetry format. Not only would there be a lot more scrolling, but you can't just "image" a paragraph at a time to find the piece you're looking for. I'll admit, the modern way of formatting text may not be the best, but it is so entrained that'd be tough to change without all sorts of unintended consequences.

    --
    Use the Firehose to mod down Second Life stories!
  32. Re:GNAA GPL Twofo Fist Sprot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do I
              Keep seeing this
                      wall of text
                            EVERYWHERE??

  33. Biased images? Nahhh.... by Carik · · Score: 4, Informative

    First impressions when looking at the image that accompanies this article:
    1) The block text version is actually blurred. Compare the initial "M" from each side... there's a major difference in clarity of the image.
    2) I find the "clear" version nearly impossible to read. It's a bit too randomly coloured and formatted.
    3) The people who did this research are idiots.

    OK, so two of the three are subjective. But I'm pretty certain about the first, and I think the third is pretty likely.

    Add in the points other people have mentioned -- long scroll times, loss of standard formatting tricks to convey meaning -- and this all starts looking pretty useless to me.

  34. Not surprising to me by TheWoozle · · Score: 1

    I've known for years that I could parse well-written code faster than the equivalent English.

    --
    Insisting on "correct" English is like saying that there is only one, definitive recipe for chili.
  35. Blocking 2 lines above and 2 below by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    Ok, here is my Book Text Mark extension, it is used to mark a line where you are reading, so you can scroll to that line later or navigate to it through a supplied menu, you can even navigate to the page with a mark through the supplied menu. The mark itself can be dragged on the screen with the mouse pointer and the mark is not transparent, it will block a line of text. However I am going provide a choice in the next version to select different types of mark, I so making one that blocks 2 lines above and 2 lines below, while leaving 1 line that can be read in between should be doable. Would that help our 'primitive' brains to read better?

  36. Hmm... by Mockylock · · Score: 1

    Now, if only they could create a product that makes women easier to understand.

    --
    "Please, shut up. Just when I think you can't say anything more stupid, you speak again." -Archie Bunker.
  37. umm... leading? by frazamatazzle · · Score: 1

    I don't see anything new in the findings about block text. Tweaking leading, done since Gutenberg, has always been a response to this well known issue. Live ink seems to remove the coherency of the text in my opinion. I'm gonna stick with Johannes.

  38. Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by StCredZero · · Score: 5, Funny

    They just went and put an indenter on the English Language!

    Now someone needs to invent a variant of English that requires indentation as a part of the syntax. It would be the Python of natural languages. Pyglish?

    1. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by thehickcoder · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, that would be Pyg Latin!

    2. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by mblase · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, it's not just indenting -- you can see from the highlights that they're breaking lines according to where the verbs are, kinda like those sentence diagrams you hated doing in junior high, and indenting according to the role that verb plays.

      (On the flip side, this seems to suggest that the engine needs to work entirely differently based on what language you're reading.)

      I'm kind of impressed, actually, in that the engine makes any kind of text look and read like non-rhyming poetry, implying that poets figured this technique out centuries before anyone actually codified it.

    3. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by Dysan2k · · Score: 1

      I demand my indents to have 2 spaces, not 4!! It helps it fit on the page ...

      Hehehe.. Actually it does seem to be faster to read, but I'm not too sure on the comprehension portion of the description.

      --
      -What have you contributed lately?
    4. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kinda like those sentence diagrams you hated doing in junior high

      Junior high? Jesus Tapdancing Christ! Are public schools THAT bad? We had to do them in the third grade when I went to parochial school.

      Education is far too important to let the government do it.

    5. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by Garridan · · Score: 1

      Never saw 'em in my 12 years of public education. Still haven't, and I'll be graduating with a BS pretty soon.

    6. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Or better still, we could create the FORTRAN 77 of natural languages. We could call it Forglish, or Forg for short.... to which people would invariably reply, "Forg this."

      --

      Check out my sci-fi/humor trilogy at PatriotsBooks.

    7. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I think I recall seeing them, but my memory is quite fuzzy. I think I saw them around 3rd or 4th grade, but I was in private and Catholic schools until 8th grade.

    8. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bravo. clap. clap.

    9. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      They just went and put an indenter on the English Language!

      Not a big problem. From what I hear, there are only three words in The English Language.

      - RG>
      --
      Hey pal, this isn't a pleasantforest, so don't waste my time with pleasantries!
    10. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by mr3038 · · Score: 1

          "They just went and put an indenter on the English Language!"

      That's what I'm thinking too. Here's the summary reformatted with a couple of simple rules (sorry but I have to use monospace font to preserve formatting in slashdot:

      "Scientists
          at a small startup called Walker Reading Technologies
              in Minnesota have determined
                  that the human brain is not wired properly
                      to read block text.
      They have found
          that our eyes view text
              as if they're peering through a straw.
      Not only does your brain see the text
          on the line you're reading,
              but it's also uploading superfluous information
                  from the two lines above
                      and the two lines below.
      This causes your brain to engage
          in a tug of war
              as it fights
                  to filter
                      and ignore the noise.
      The result is slower reading speeds
          and decreased comprehension.
      The company has developed a product
          that automatically re-formats text
              in a way
                  that your brain can more easily comprehend."

      The only rules I used to format the text were:
      * reset indent and start a new line after a full stop
      * next line with indent after comma (,) or before one of the stop words

      And stop words are: at, in, that, to, as, on, from, and.

      Also, one should compare specially formatted text to normal block text with bigger font and more line space so that both variants took equal amount of vertical space in the end.

      --
      _________________________
      Spelling and grammar mistakes left as an exercise for the reader.
  39. Looks strangely familiar... by shadowspar · · Score: 4, Funny

    seeing the article
    text, strangely familiar
    where have I seen it?

    the light bulb goes on
    a haiku generator
    can it truly be?

    --

    There is a spellbook here; eat it? [ynq]

    1. Re:Looks strangely familiar... by Locklin · · Score: 1

      No, its fermilliar because you are used to reading online articles squezed between overstuffed sidebars and "flashy" advertisements. More anoying than anything else.

      --
      "Knowledge is the only instrument of production that is not subject to diminishing returns" -Journal of Political Econom
    2. Re:Looks strangely familiar... by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      Bravo! That was superb.

      --
      But, I wanted socialized health insurance!
  40. Nice idea but... by ZeldorBlat · · Score: 1

    Why not just increase the space between each line?

    1. Re:Nice idea but... by CogDissident · · Score: 1

      Because that solution doesn't require 4 million dollars in grant money.

  41. Actually I understand this by DCheesi · · Score: 1

    I've always been a slow reader,
      and what they're describing is a big part of my problem.

    When I read,
      I can only focus on two or three words at a time,
      and I have to scan across to read a whole line.

    I've always been amazed
      at people who claim that they can read a whole line at a time
      without scanning,
      even if it's just a narrow newspaper column.

    And the succession of undifferentiated lines in standard block text
      makes it easy to lose one's place and have to back up a line.

    So this idea makes a lot of sense to me.

    Too bad it's so inefficient in terms of space.

    But see, wasn't this easier?

  42. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.timecube.com/

    Don't forget to underline, bold, and itilicize your text for MAXIMUM READABILITY.

    1. Re:Prior Art by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Indeed, texts on the net could be much more readable if all browsers would consistently support the blink tag.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  43. E-Paper by tecker · · Score: 1

    With E-paper and eBooks this could be really helpful. I have mild dyslexia and so does my dad. I learned a trick from him is to take a blank 4x6 notecard and run it below the line of text I'm reading. This helps a great deal with eye drift and comprehension.

    If there was a way to do this with the new digital formats then waste will not be an issue.

    --
    Procrastinating life a way at a rapid rate of speed.
  44. Maybe it's just me... by AndOne · · Score: 1

    but I find their solution harder to read. Too much white space, too much jumping around. Maybe I've just managed to train myself on block text by reading hundreds of novels since I was 10. Either way this is a terrible idea simply cause the information density sucks. Maybe if they threw in pictures of psychadelic kittens and badgers or something...

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  45. I think he has a point..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The text is easier to read. But the ideas transmitted are simple.

    Let's see how this technique looks on the first page of Husserl's 'On the Phenomenology of the Consciousness of Internal Time'.

    And another thing - our neurons are probably optimised for line translation now, so the advantage gained would not be particularly great.

    Simple answer - just paragraph your writing appropriately!

  46. 700 Words Per Minute by rrhal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My uncle could read 700 words per minute. He would look a section of a page and grab part of 3 or 4 lines at once. He brain would be putting the lines back together while he was scaning the next section. He always read that way. He was a farmer - he almost no time for reading in the summer but long stretches in the winter. He could easily read over 100 books in that time.

    In other words the effect that this process is fighting can be used to read much faster than most of us do. I can't do it for more than a few minutes but if you trained early enough or hard enough I think you could get there.

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    1. Re:700 Words Per Minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too read that way. I scan through a couple of lines at a time both up and down and forward and backward. If you tracked my eyes you would see them wiggling all over the place while I read.

      I can read very quickly without trying hard. In fact it is harder for me to read slowly.

      This has many advantages but also a few disadvantages.
      1. You have to carry 3 or 4 books with you on vacation.
      2. Your house is full of overpriced already read books. (I long for practical and widely accepted E-paper)
      3. People get annoyed when they hand you something to read and you hand it back 3 seconds later. (To be polite and not arouse anger, I often hold written pages in front of me for 10 to 20 seconds just so people won't think I'm not really reading their work)

      This new technique would be a nightmare for me. I couldn't pay attention long enough to get through anything. While I'm sure a large portion of the population might find this helpful, it is important to remember that there are many ways for a brain to function. Mine is just wired a little differently.

    2. Re:700 Words Per Minute by giafly · · Score: 1

      I too read that way. I scan through a couple of lines at a time both up and down and forward and backward. If you tracked my eyes you would see them wiggling all over the place while I read. I can read very quickly without trying hard. In fact it is harder for me to read slowly.
      My lifetime best was 1200 wpm, back when my eyesight was excellent. One trick for reading slowly is to stop after each page and precis the contents in your head. This also improves retention, though remembering the content of some books is not an advantage.
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    3. Re:700 Words Per Minute by Bamafan77 · · Score: 1

      My lifetime best was 1200 wpm, back when my eyesight was excellent. One trick for reading slowly is to stop after each page and precis the contents in your head. This also improves retention, though remembering the content of some books is not an advantage.
      You, the parent, and grandparent post were probably scanning text. Every study done on speed readers has shown that the fastest readers top out at about 400 words-per-minute. We're talking 1000+ words read per minute with 50%+ comprehension. (I posted much the same in another reply, so mods, please don't shoot me for repeating myself. :) ).
    4. Re:700 Words Per Minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read at 2000+ words per minute with 99% comprehension. But I know I'm not typical - I was such a freak, they hooked me up to an eeg machine to investigate me as a teenager. And people wonder why I'm screwed up.

      Oh, and I find the "new" presentation appalling - I like my text lines wide, and read about 5 lines at a time.

  47. Anyone find it Slower? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I must admit, I found it slower to read, mainly because it's spaced out. I tend to read chunks of words in one go as I scan a line - they've tried to imitate this by breaking the text into chunks, but I found it more difficult to read my usual way as the chunks are often a different size to what I would see in one glance. This will probably change as it's hard to just abandon 25 years of reading habits in a few minutes, but on the whole their chunk is going to be smaller than my normal size. The colour coding was distracting as my eye moved to those words and not where my eye would naturally fall when reading the chunk, which meant I often had to glance twice at the chunk to read it.

    Interesting idea and they're sort of along the right lines, but I'm not sure how they will be able to tailor this to everyone's reading patterns. For me, it slower and more distracting to read that usual text.

  48. Old News by asphaltjesus · · Score: 1

    I was lucky enough 25 years ago to go to an optometrist who specialized in learning therapy and explained reading to me this way. His program definitely made a massive improvement in my ability to learn and was primarily responsible for me (eventually) going to college.

    This is really old news in the neglected educational development communities. No surprise though given the broad and deep benign neglect for public education.

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  49. Haiku anybody? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1
    It seems to me that they have made a tool useful for composition of haiku poems.

    But is it really efficient when reading fiction? The difference between reading fiction and reading a fact book is the flow of reading. In a fiction story the reader can make different picks and speed through some parts and concentrate on other parts without losing the story. In fact books each sentence is there for a reason. (sorry fiction-writers, that's the reality biting).

    Anyway this doesn't mean that the parts that one fiction reader skips is what another reader will skip and each person has his/her own view of what the scenery is, so keep on writing the backfill anyway.

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  50. Someone Please Write a CSS + JavaScript script... by littlewink · · Score: 1

    to do this to a web page or paragraph, please. So I can trigger and reformat a web page. Maybe a dynamic CSS + JavaScript would do it?

    Doesn't look too hard to get close to their model.

  51. Finally by esobofh · · Score: 1

    It's always pissed me off how text is always mixed up, backwards and flashing weird colours. Oh wait.. is that just me?

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  52. Above and below the line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The company has developed a product that automatically re-formats text in a way that your brain can more easily comprehend."

    Let me present DoubleSpacing(TM) ...

  53. This would make an excellent teaching aid by PFI_Optix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At work, I deal with the software used to help kids who are struggling with reading a lot. Presently, all it does is give them a section of text, let them listen to recorded readings of it, and then have them try to emulate what they heard. It does work for a lot of kids, but it's slow going.

    What I see in this new method of formatting is that the sentences are being being broken up very similar to how their natural spoken rhythm would flow, making it much easier for a struggling student to read aloud. It shouldn't be a crutch, but I can picture a kid being shown the entire written text, and then this version of it. Have the kid read the Live Ink version aloud into a microphone and play back the recording for him to hear how it sounds, then try to do that with the "normal" text.

    This could really be something huge for education. I'm about to go talk to our special programs director about it, this looks like it could be very useful.

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  54. re-formats text in a way that your brain can more by operato · · Score: 1

    by making it invisible!!

    message below: -

  55. Sign of an Aliterate Society by boyfaceddog · · Score: 1

    This sort of thing will come up more and more as western civ. slowly loses its ability to read. Already we have instructions created in diagram-only formats and even simple declaritive signs are reduced to symbols for "conprehension".

    This is not to say that our schools are doing a bad job teaching reading or I.Q.s are dropping, but fewer and fewer people take the time to really read anything longer than a magazine article or a blog.

    You may bash me when ready.

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    1. Re:Sign of an Aliterate Society by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1

      The use of simple diagrams illustrates our society's reduced capacity to comprehend English. It's easier and cheaper to print a single simple diagram than to print a half-dozen languages. Add globalization to that, and it makes far more sense; you can print a single diagram for the entire world, or you can print dozens of multi-language instruction sheets to suit specific regions.

      Another problem is, as you hinted, a reduced attention span. Modern television programming with its constant camera changes--I've seen shows that average a camera angle or scene change every eight or ten seconds--and computers have taught us that information should be presented in easy-to-digest 10-second bites. Newspapers are learning that people spend roughly half the time on any given article than they did before, and most people didn't finish the articles before.

      We've created a headline society of incomplete information. I think this contributes a great deal to the knee-jerk reactions we see to so many hot topics where things are boiled down to two polarized side with no moderate middle ground to be found in popular sentiment. The two-party system in the U.S. is a shining example of how our society works most of the time. You're either with us or against us, neutrality or compromise is not an option.

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    2. Re:Sign of an Aliterate Society by garutnivore · · Score: 1

      Wow, the way you wrote your title proves your point.

  56. Prior (literary) art by Brunellus · · Score: 1

    I seem to recall an old typographer's rule of thumb that a line of text should contain no more than 60 characters, including spaces. consequently, large folio volumes--like Gutenberg's 42-line Bible-- were printed in two columns, with hanging hyphens, and are surprisingly readable, despite the very dense Rhenish blackletter typeface.

    I wonder how much of this research is language-dependent, though. In languages like German (and Latin) verbs often come at the end of a sentence. Line-breaking as shown on the site might make each word literally more legible, but it will also introduce a great deal more ambiguity and doubt grammatically.

    On an unrelated note, the "poetic" form of the "new" formatting rules reminds me of the work of William Carlos Williams. Filipino poet Jose Garcia Villa produced a series of poems that reformatted news articles and the like. And Jorge Luis Borges was also fond of re-formatting existing prose into poetical form (and, occasionally, condensing blocks of prose into dense "prose poems".)

  57. poetry generator? by Herve5 · · Score: 1

    The example given in TFA reminds me of a contemporary poem book I recently bought, because I had read online a couple of good poems by the same author. When back home I discovered what was puzzling me: the editor had the original idea of cutting many verses in half or even three parts, which gave a curious impression of a different rythm, while I couldn't but think that wasn't in the original idea of the poet...

    My experience on the 'cell' example was moreover very clear as concerns reading speed: I believe the sliced text reads much slower -OTOH, I think such a mental scansion when reading may allow to better retain the sentences.

    I may be too dual-minded there, but I for one prefer keeping this method for poems anyway :-)

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  58. The Education of T. C. Mits, 1944-prior art? by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    I wonder if those researchers ever saw a 1944 book entitled "The Educations of T. C. Mits," by Hugh and Miriam Lieber? Listings at Amazon, and at abebooks

    It was intended to popularize mathematical concepts for laymen ("the celebrated man in the street," hence T. C. Mits), and it used exactly that style of formatting. As I recall, the introduction said something along the lines of

    This is not
        free verse

    but is simply
          an way to
                make reading easier.

    It seems they were right.

    Keep this book in mind as prior art if they try to patent the technique!

  59. Did anyone else expect to see this? by HoldmyCauls · · Score: 1
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  60. I'll say! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You spelled "dad" backwards.

  61. Law can be sweet poetry .... by rewinn · · Score: 1

    ...a lot of very simple statutes are hard to read, simply because of the formatting, but properly formatted, are not hard at all. For example, 18 USC 1001 :

    "...whoever, in any matter

    within the jurisdiction of the
    executive,
    legislative,
    or judicial branch
    of the Government of the United States,

    knowingly and willfully--

    falsifies,
    conceals, or
    covers up
    by any trick, scheme, or device

    a material fact...

    Shall be fined under this title,
    imprisoned not more than 5 years
    ...or both."

    1. Re:Law can be sweet poetry .... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      So maybe the European constitution failed in France because it was badly formatted? :-)

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    2. Re:Law can be sweet poetry .... by rewinn · · Score: 1

      Mais oui!

  62. No similar tool for grammar by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    unfortunately, the scientists did not offers any such tool for correcting grammar.

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    1. Re:No similar tool for grammar by Control+Group · · Score: 1

      unfortunately, the scientists did not offers any such tool for correcting grammar.

      I'm trying to decide if this is ironic by intent or by accident.

      I should start a poll.

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  63. huh? by FIGNUTZZ · · Score: 1

    What was that article about again.....?

  64. Prior Art by SJS · · Score: 1

    Why don't they just diagram the sentence for us? That makes the structure explicit, which would do the same thing, but offer additional (useful) information in the presentation.

    Wait, they couldn't patent that. Too much "prior art".

    My bad.

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  65. Why am I... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...reminded of William Shatner when I read the example?

    Reparsing the sentences back to one line it sounds like this:

    "Most cells are so small..(pause)...they can't be seen..(pause)..by the naked eye.
    So how did scientists..(pause)..find cells?"

    Someone shoot me now. I understand that you are supposed to see the block as one without the pauses, but the pause is still there no matter how miniscule it may be. And the seemingly random indenting is just annoying.

  66. I really like it by begbiezen · · Score: 1

    I usually have to physically cover up other lines of text when i am reading the last page of a good book. If i don't, i see the words ahead and underneath and can't help but process them somehow. I consider what my brain is doing to be healthy and natural.
    This new way of formatting i really like. It is easier to read. Why hadn't someone though of this before?
    Awesome.

  67. $89/year?!? by alexgieg · · Score: 1

    At $89/year for individual usage I surely won't use this thing. Someone please warn me when free (as in beer) and free (as in speech) version is released. Preferably as WordPress, TypePad, Joomla and Firefox extensions, with (also doubly free) grammatical rules for more than just the English language.

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  68. Cool Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does look like it makes the text easier to follow. Now if only they could do something about my atten... Hmmm... What's that? That looks interesting.

  69. Read line by line? That's crazy slow by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But that's so slow. Not everyone reads "through a straw" like they claim. IF you're really interested in reading, then you should be training your brain to read faster. Stop doing slow stuff like moving your mouth or running your finger along word by word.

    You shouldn't be like a beginner reading one of those children's books with 3 words a page.

    Learn to read stuff chunk by chunk - keep your eyes further away from the screen if the whole column is to wide to fit - that's why newsprint is in narrow columns. Most human eyes don't have a wide angle of view especially with those crappy blind spots.

    Brains definitely can do parallel processing, and read multiple lines at a time. And brains can learn and adapt. Trust me, you do not want to adapt to reading like a beginner.

    Often I can spot spelling mistakes after just a glance at an entire page of print - they just stick out. And sometimes at a glance, my brain notices that there's an unusual word somewhere, and I become aware of it, but just don't know where I saw it on the page (but just a brief search and I'll find it). I think there must be editors (real ones not slashdot ones) out there who do this much better.

    In this day and age where there's lots of textual data I don't think it's a good idea to teach people to read stuff in a format where they have to keep doing "next page" every second.

    Life is too short.

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    1. Re:Read line by line? That's crazy slow by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      Often I can spot spelling mistakes after just a glance at an entire page of print - they just stick out. And sometimes at a glance, my brain notices that there's an unusual word somewhere, and I become aware of it, but just don't know where I saw it on the page (but just a brief search and I'll find it). I think there must be editors (real ones not slashdot ones) out there who do this much better.

      I get that too -- it can be pretty annoying at times.

  70. Busting people's bubbles by Vexorian · · Score: 1

    The basic concept was known for a lot of time unless I am mistaking, I do remember than in language classes there were a lot of guidelines about how to redact text correctly specially paragraphs and that stuff I even remember a rule that said a good paragraph does not have more than 3 or 5 sentences and that there ought to be correct spacing between paragraphs also notice how the +5 insightful comments tend to be presented the way I am talking about, it is easier to read them and mods are more likely to give points to text they can easily read I think that the other problem for online text is the screen resolution that keeps getting wider and wider so if you want readability you'll eventually need to cut lines yourself the method in mention seems to be just taking the old readability and paragraphing guidelines to the extreme and I think it actually works just like identation works when you program.
    Now compare:



    The basic concept was known for a lot of time unless I am mistaking.
    I do remember that in language classes there were a lot of guidelines
    about how to redact text correctly, specially paragraphs and that stuff.


    I even remember a rule that said a good paragraph does not have more
    than 3 or 5 sentences and that there ought to be correct spacing between
    paragraphs.


    Also notice how the +5 insightful comments tend to be presented the
    way I am talking about. It is easier to read them and mods are more likely
    to give points to text they can easily read.


    I think that the other problem for online text is the screen resolution,
    it keeps getting wider and wider. So, if you want readability you'll
    eventually need to cut lines yourself.


    The method in mention seems to be just taking the old readability and
    paragraphing guidelines to the extreme, and I think it actually works.
    Just like identation works when you program

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  71. Back in my time... by Q-Branch · · Score: 1
    The problem is the eye sees text above and below the intended line.

    Back in college we would double-space our papers to make it easy for the professor to read.

    Seemed pretty easy and did the trick.

    I guess those simple solutions just don't cut it with today's modern ways.

  72. Newspapers by Kludge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Newspapers already do this
    to some degree.

    They use narrow columns when
    formatting their text so
    people can read it faster.

    Your fovias don't have
    to bounce back and forth
    as much.

    1. Re:Newspapers by cecille · · Score: 1

      Same with standard latex formatting - the margins are deliberately kept wide because long lines are difficult to read.

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    2. Re:Newspapers by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 1

      No, they don't have to travel as far. They bounce back and forth MORE.

      I think smaller columns makes it simpler to find the next line. It also makes short copy seems longer, and allows for more stories to have equivalent page positioning. (ie. keeps headlines higher on the page.)

      Newspapers are so wide that a MOST of their paragraphs would be a single line if they covered the whole page.

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  73. Forward or Backward? by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

    I'll pass --- I'm waiting for reading to become obsolete altogether.

  74. A minor correction by Jupiter+Jones · · Score: 1

    They have found that our eyes view text as if they're peering through a straw.

    Actually, online, it's as if they're peering through a series of tubes.

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  75. Read title carefully... by snib · · Score: 1

    "Scientists Offers New Way to Read Online Text"

    Looks like their method isn't working all that well...

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  76. Lines too long on /. are a real pain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm always browsing with my browser maximized in a 1600x1200 screen (native resolution of a good, flat, 20" monitor, wired trough a DVI cable, which gives a very good image [people having a DVI capable monitor and a DVI-capable video card using an analog cable are killing their eyes, but that is another topic]).

    Without the vertical scrollbar this gives me a 1600x1036 area for the webpage. And, mind you, a lot of very nice makes very good use of the screen's real estate. And this is only getting more and more true in this "Web 2.0 buzzword" age where apps tend to run more and more inside the browser (for simple spreadsheet needs, for example, Google Spreadsheet is *great* on my maximized Firefox). Stats shows that there are also people browsing at maximized size bigger than this (1920x1200 being not that uncommon).

    However many sites let the text flow on nearly the whole width of the screen, giving lines of text consisting of way more than 200 characters!

    To anyone who has ever worked in the typesetting industry (any Quark XPress, InDesign, LaTeX user out there? I've used all three of these to typeset articles and books ;) this is just plain non-sense.

    You will never find a serious book having 200 characters per line, not even books in "paysage" mode (it this the correct english term for a book wider than tall?).

    Nothing kills speed reading as much as having more than about 55 characters per line. Too much characters also kills "slow" reading: it's hard to find the beginning of the next line.

    Sure, you can resize your browser easily (which is what I'm doing) but still it's quite a pathetic fix and it's boring to constantly "switch" from full-screen to "narrow" and vice-versa to accomodate dumbly designed websites.

    I'm really not a huge blogs fan but usually at least they don't exhibit this problem.

  77. This is an aid by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    This is an aid for those whose brains were schooled with whole-word reading and PowerPoint.

  78. Maybe, maybe not by shotgunefx · · Score: 1

    Not a really fair comparison when the original has way too many compression artifacts compared to the "new and improved" text, and it's in italics to boot.

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  79. The Original Text is Better Still. by twitter · · Score: 1

    And did you notice how blurry the image was of the 'standard' text. Nice job there. "look how much easier the text on the right is to read compared to the old stuff on the left!". This is a SERIOUSLY flawed example.

    The Declaration of Independence example is similar but both use fuzzy type. I like the original better. Then again, I'm biased because I've always done better than average with these kinds of tests.

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  80. Old news.... by Kazrath · · Score: 1

    Kirk has been reading/speaking like this for years.

  81. Typography reinvented by La+Gris · · Score: 1

    Typography was invented centuries ago and address readability of printed text with tightly defined and long time experienced rules.

    It's surprising some "researcher" try reinventing the wheel.

    If screen displays and web designs made proper use of CSS, following the long time improved rules of typography, there would be less desperate readers in hope of someone reinventing the wheel.

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  82. Tony Buzan by Mushdot · · Score: 1

    I read a book by Tony Buzan called 'Use Your Head' which explains that you can increase the speed and comprehension at which you read by taking advantage of the fact you are seeing text in your peripheral vision. Apparently with enough practice you can 'take in' several lines of text at once.

    Rather than scanning each word in a sentence, which causes your eyes to make lots of tiny movements, you look at 2 or 3 points along each sentence and allow your peripheral vision to take in the words either side of the point you are looking at.

    The way the example paragraph on the website is broken up by Live Ink is exactly how I read the original block of text using Tony Buzans technique.

    1. Re:Tony Buzan by fuliginous · · Score: 1

      It's a technique and knowledge about how we chunk when reading that has been known for at least 20 years I would say based on when I got the first copy of his Speed Reading book.

  83. Wordstrobe: MARS - Vortex by redelm · · Score: 1
    Cliff High's MARS (Marchine Assisted Reading System) Vortex software got a fair bit of positive press when it came out in 1997. Bascially, it flashed in very large type one word at a time in a window. The author claimed, and many verified high reading speeds (~800-1000 w/min).

    It is a bit mesmerising.

  84. Obviously it was used in the future by Hexfet · · Score: 1

    Captain James T. Kirk must have had his scripts written with Live Ink

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  85. Why do I find it hard to read online text? by rmunaval · · Score: 1

    Scientists Offer s New Way to Read Online Text
    I still find it harder to read online text.

  86. Dyslexics and Others by queenb**ch · · Score: 1

    Speaking as a dyslexic, I can see where this would certainly be of great benefit to anyone with a reading disability. What an awesome way to help people. I wonder if they'd license this to groups like OpenOffice so that one can produce documents in this format.

    2 cents,

    Queen B.

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  87. Mod parent up. by Bodrius · · Score: 1

    Wish I had mod points this time: you raise what I think is a most important point.

    The same thing applies to most other forms of written material: text normally has a different rythm, and often requires a different focus for good reason - most great works of literature would range from annoying to soporific if parsed as spoken language, but they're interesting and enjoyable in their form.
    They're also far less enjoyable if read with the same level of concentration we give when listening to spoken language - which may be an argument for the brain being wired to multitask better when parsing information as sound... or for modern lack of listening skills.

    Actually, exploiting the positive effects of reformatting text is not really that new.
    We have been doing that with poetry and math for thousands of years, and many writers have played with similar formatting for experimental reasons. As someone pointed out elsewhere, this is what we do for code too.

    I'm not aware of good research on the subject, however. So there may be real innovation on their part on developing a formal theory and engineering a method for consistent results.

    I have no doubt that using this system would improve results in standarized tests, because short pieces of superficial information (and the style of modern magazine articles) seem very appropriate targets. But I think the impression of improvement may be misleading. I wonder what long term effects would it have on the literacy levels if we adopt this as a general solution blindly.

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  88. Old news by smallpaul · · Score: 1

    I remember first seeing this technique around 1997! I don't know how they are managing to reignite media interest in this idea that they've been flogging for a decade.

  89. Re:Biased images? Nahhh.... by DataSurge · · Score: 1

    There is definitively a case for research into different ways to interact with and display text, which is why we started the Hyperwords Project for example. However, it's a little hard to take this seriously as they don't even use the technique on their own website, it's just a demo there. Eating your own dog cuisine, isn't that what it's all about?

  90. obvious, yet bad, idea by nanosquid · · Score: 1

    The limit on how fast you can read a text is comprehension, not perception. Therefore there is no point in speeding up perception any faster (if you really want to, there are plenty of existing techniques).

    Also, it makes no sense that in 5000 years of writing, people settled on a supposedly bad system, not just once but dozens of times. Originally, people did start out writing in little bunched up blobs--very eye friendly. But almost all writing systems eventually evolve towards long skinny lines: it's fast enough, and it's otherwise convenient.

  91. Am I the only one... by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    ... who finds the example much harder to read than the "non-enhanced" version?

    Maybe my brain is wired differently than most or something (I have always been a very quick reader, even when I was young), but I find the need to have to shift my eyes from line to line VERY TIME CONSUMING. I also find that breaking up the sentences like this makes me insert artificial breaks in the narrative.

    See, the thing is, you're supposed to read text the same way you listen to it. Hence the existence of punctuation. Sticking these artificial line breaks in the middle of sentences introduces pauses in places the author did not intend.... it makes a concise paragraph about cell biology read like a poem or haiku - which is not the best way to converse when you're talking about a technical subject.

  92. Read the stats, do the demo by meburke · · Score: 1

    The Walker folks have very good stats on their page. It is worth reading those to see hwo some of the /. posters should have done a little more research. Furthermore, there is a link to LiveInk To Go http://www.liveink.com/LiveInkToGoReadingOnline.ht m that will transform your text into the new format. I copied Bastiat's "The Law" http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basEss2a.ht ml into the parsing window, and it was MUCH easier to read and follow. Try it.

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  93. Python is so 4 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ruby + English = Rubish

    1. Re:Python is so 4 years ago by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      So Rubish works like English, it just takes three times longer to read and the only complete dictionary is written in Japanese?

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    2. Re:Python is so 4 years ago by sherms · · Score: 1

      This explains

      Why I can read

      a Manual

      Better then

      a Novel

    3. Re:Python is so 4 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad

      it doesn't explain

      why you don't know

      the difference between

      then and than.

    4. Re:Python is so 4 years ago by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      And would we call a speaker of Rubish a rube?

  94. Re:30 years old news by giafly · · Score: 1

    I was lucky enough 25 years ago to go to an optometrist who specialized in learning therapy and explained reading to me this way.
    I was lucky enough 30+ years ago to study psychology and ditto.
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  95. Prefetch and Error Check by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

    I suspect this is targeted at the illiterates of the world. Those whose literacy is enough for stop signs and newspapers but inadequate for a page of text. About 90% of adults, IOW.

    Those of us who can read, know how to use the "extra" information. It is anything but a distraction.

    Our brains use the information from the next line to begin decoding it and inform the decoding of the current line: prefetch.

    We use the information (remembered and newly acquired) from the last line to help decode the current line correctly: error checking.

    All this goes to show that the Department of Education truly sucks and should be shut down.

  96. As long as it stops the voices in my head by wsanders · · Score: 1

    caused by the lines above the ones I read

    Can it be that's all the meaning?

    What needs my eyes (MY EYES!! MY EYES!!) to take all that beating?

    A rest from /. is what they needing.

    With formatting thats all white and loose

    White as snow, or a goose!

    A lot like books by Dr Seuss!

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  97. Huh? by sinistre · · Score: 1

    "superfluous war as it fights decreased comprehension developed a product"

    What?

  98. so, can i assume... by WeAreAllDoomed · · Score: 1

    ...that double-spacing has been patented?

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  99. Classic Slashdot... by chaboud · · Score: 1

    I find it funny (though not surprising) that a title regarding internet language parsing would read:

    "Scientists Offers New Way to Read Online Text"

    It could be:
    "Scientists Offer New Way to Read Online Text"
    or
    "Scientist Offers New Way to Read Online Text"

    Since this is Slashdot, though, I'm too lazy to read the article and find out which it should be...

  100. Why repackage the text that way? by Jaqenn · · Score: 1

    So what's the big deal?
    We already had Haikus
    Why the new spacing?

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  101. Reinvention by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    So has someone re-invented triple spacing? Can they patent it?

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  102. Great For The Right Application by _bug_ · · Score: 1

    I think the shorter lines of text and indentation do make it much easier to follow the text and spend less brain power trying to keep your place and more brain power on understanding the text... or thinking about pr0ns.

    But the real benefactor of a system like this would be handheld devices that have narrow screens. On those devices the formatting doesn't waste as much space as it would on a typical web browser.

    I also think there might be some lessons here that could be used to find a better way of formatting web pages to make them more readable.

  103. Irony Abounds by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    I'll forego my rant about their complete refusal to incorporate attentional focusing and much of the rest of cogntive psychology's research on block reading, their extremely selective choices of interpretation of brain imaging research, their failure to study other written formats (left vs. right, horiztonal vs. vertical, alpha/syllabalic vs pictographic), and the decades of similar conclusions preceeding their "discovery". That would be too easy and too tedious.

    Instead, I'll note that TFA is in approximately 60 column block text, and the "printer ready" version is in at least 80 column block text. The latter proves their point by being harder to read, so one wonders why it was done. What's more, the parent article's title says "Scientists Offers". The author and editor should both be soundly spanked for a grammatical error in the title of an article about reading and writing.

    However, this does raise the question as to how their software is going to parse and reformat the inevitable errors in human writing.

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  104. Liveink.com Ironic Formatting / Other Applications by rbowles · · Score: 1

    It seems quite strange that, excluding demos, their website is formatted in "old" paragraph blocks. One of the first links I visited on their website surprised me because it neglected to use their own technology. As one of their target markets seems to be web-publishing, fully "liveinking" liveink.com would speak volumes.

    As a (yet another (quasi)) speed-reader, I also tend to pre-cache several lines under what I'm actually reading. As many others have stated, trying to read Moby Dick or any technical manual in this format would surely drive me mad. However, I can see a place for this in casual surfing of websites that inherently have a low information density. (ie. sports and leisure, entertainment, news and events)

    Where this might have great application is in special education. My wife, a special ed. teacher, is constantly has issue with reading materials for her students, who often have difficulty with assembling the words in a block of text into sentences.

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  105. Ironic that live ink not used by HerbertStencil · · Score: 1

    Did it strike anyone else as ironic that the Venture Beat article links to a more detailed article in support of live ink written by its creators but that article is itself formatted the old-fashioned way. BTW, newspapers have been doing this for years.

  106. JPEG?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congratulation to the moron who decided to put the "before and after" sample in JPEG instead of GIF/PNG.

    When will people learn to use graphic formats properly?!

  107. What about WRITING online text? by __aawbkb6799 · · Score: 1

    Scientists Offers New Way to Read Online Text
    A Scientist Offers but does not offer, A group of Scientists Offer, not offers.
  108. Answer me this? by netr00t · · Score: 1

    I wonder why
            the article itself
                  wasn't written
          in live ink?

    1. Re:Answer me this? by omegakidd · · Score: 0

      Me too.

      I am surprised
                at how easy
                      your comment
          was to read
            for me.

      It flows
          so naturally.

  109. Speed reading by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    The notion also that one can only focus on a small circular area, which they characterise as "the straw" is slightly flawed. This would be true if you had only one eye. Since most of us are binocular, we tend to be able to focus on a more oval area. Speed reading techniques take advantage of that.


    "Focus" is the wrong word, anyway. The eye works pretty much like a camera lens, so that everything at the same distance from the eye is equally in focus. What the article refers to is the higher resolution of foveal vision as compared to peripheral vision. Both eyes are directed toward the same point when reading, so the area of foveal vision is the same as if you had only one eye. It's true that your peripheral vision does not have sufficient resolution to distinguish all letter shapes reliably, but it can certainly tell the difference between an "o" and an "i", for example. So, even when you are not looking directly at a word, your brain is gathering information about letter shapes and subconsciously formulating hypotheses about upcoming words. Speed reading techniques work by teaching readers to make greater use of this information. By the time your foveal vision gets to a word, your brain already has a pretty good idea of what that word is, and it only takes a brief glance of foveal vision to confirm that guess. This is a lot faster than the way people usually read. It does feel a bit strange to read in this way, because it is somewhat nonlinear and holistic, and for certain types of writing--poetry or really skillful prose--it kind of spoils it.
  110. More readable version by Jesus_666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Summary:
            buy our product.

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  111. This will only work for some people by jafiwam · · Score: 1

    Maybe for a subset of total readers it might make things better.

    However, as a fast reader for short paragraphs in newspapers I can read the whole thing with one stop of the eyes and move to the next paragraph. For longer ones it's chunks of paragraphs.

    Dicking about with the formatting won't help any, and will probably hurt a lot.

    The words above and below help keep the eyes in place, and the words below get a bit of a chance to sing in before being read so results in faster reading.

    Tilting my head causes the phenomenon to stop I go back to parsing a few words at a time.

    Turning the entire text upside down forces me to stop, flip and read each word. Because of this I was able to read my philosophy texts in college better while tired because I would stop trying to absorb a complicated sentence all at once.

    Plus, being able to read fast upside down is a good life skill to have.

  112. Haiku by egandalf · · Score: 1

    reading text

    Haiku style

    blows

    As a web developer, I can't imagine a scenario where I would like to see the text on my site better in this 'new' format.

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  113. Exactly! by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do you think we format code this way?

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  114. Nice red herring by CXI · · Score: 1

    I can't believe this kind of a red herring post got an insightful score. Do I really have to explain the difference between some screen shots on an article and the actual research? If you actually look, the *entire image* has been compressed to all hell, probably by the website hosting it, to save bandwidth.

  115. These are basic design issues. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 3, Informative

    It sounds to me like scientists are over-thinking the problem. These are all basic design problems a designer with good typography skills can resolve. The solution certainly isn't to reinvent how we write.

    I see three glaring problems making text difficult to read, especially online.

    1) Text blocks are too wide. This is the biggest problem I see. It's difficult to follow progress when you're reading 10pt text running all the way across the screen. One of the biggest things I hate about websites is when they stretch EVERYTHING including text. Open the window too wide and you get these ridiculously long lines of text. Slashdot is guilty of this.

    The solution to this is to restrict the width of any copy, even if the page itself can stretch. A line of text shouldn't really be run any longer than roughly 10 long words. I'd say a good example of line width can be found in paperback novels.

    2) Not enough leading. Leading is the space between lines. This alone solves the problem mentioned where a reader starts getting distracted by words above and below the sentence currently being read. Again, this is basic design and it's something completely disregarded on the internet where lines of text are crammed together.

    The solution here is especially simple. Increase linespace, and I suggest being fairly liberal with spacing.

    3) Poor font selection and small point size. The standard browser fonts are somewhat readable. Serif fonts, like Times New Roman, are more legible than san-serif fonts like Verdana and Arial. This is a minor problem but serif fonts are recognized more quiclky. But I'd say font selection is dependent on the overall design of the site. A bigger problem is when someone uses some wacky font that's difficult to read, although this is more of an issue in Flash where fonts can be embedded.

    The bigger problem is font size. After all these years with dramatic increases in screen resolutions why are we still reading text online in 10 point? We should be at least at 12 point, and ideally 14pt or higher. There's no need to go huge, but it's time we start utilizing these screen resolutions more effectively. There's no need to cram a novel onto a single page. When a reader encounters a screen crammed with type, psychologically they're overwhelmed and less likely to actually bother reading anything. If course, with all the advertising appearing on some websites it's getting increasingly difficult to design a page that's actually easy to read.

    If these scientists want to address online text legibility take a few basic typography courses.

    1. Re:These are basic design issues. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree.

      I find that web sites that limit the width of the text columns (usually to about 50-60 characters) are very annoying. Keep the screens simple. Keep the text stretchy. If you really want to speed up reading, ban all ads, especially the ones that delay the arrival of the web site by several minutes.

    2. Re:These are basic design issues. by monte48lowes · · Score: 1

      Simplicity. The formatting is less crucial if the message is conveyed with fewer words.

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  116. hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe writing like this would make more sense.
    Maybe writing like this would make more sense.
    Maybe writing like this would make more sense.

  117. not new by jafac · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This sounds like the conventional wisdom from your basic Tech Writing class, where the rule of thumb is; at least 50% whitespace on the page.

    In fact, childrens' book typesetters have known about this, ever since there have been childrens' books.

    Now - for reading text on the web; I've noticed - particularly in ad-supported content, that there's a trend (who am I kidding? It's been the standard for over 10 years now - and before that; ad-supported print) - to condense text to make more room for ads. (which is why the text-size plugins for firefox are so great!).

    Sorry, but I'm not too terribly impressed with this "study".

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  118. You must believe by Darren+Hiebert · · Score: 1

    So, first they do their research with a significant amount of public money, then they want to try to make a killing on what they claim they found. It is highly suspect science when those publishing their research aim to directly benefit financially from what they claim they find.

    In order to make a killing, they must first get people to believe that it is better. I think the example image shows how manipulative they are willing to be to lure us into believing.

  119. Let's write chinese by DescData · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This reminds me of something my taiwanese sister in law used to say. She claimed that the chinese form of writing is more efficient because a person can glance at a large amount of information and just "get it". Maybe I should not have been so dismissive. Maybe by distilling an idea into just two graphic 'characters' you have something dense that you can concentrate on/focus on. For all the flexibility of western language, it spreads things out.
    Just my thoughts,

    1. Re:Let's write chinese by Big+Hairy+Goofy+Guy · · Score: 1

      This is a neat idea. I also wonder if the style of writing *vertically* helps comprehension as well.

  120. Spiral writing by AlpineR · · Score: 1

    The example image is not very convincing. The before sample is written in italics and suffers from JPEG compression. Italic print is very bad for more than a highlighted word or simple sentence. And the poetry-esque after sample is a little prettier but I would wear out my scroll wheel in an hour if I had to read more than a paragraph.

    If the human eye sees as if through a straw wouldn't we be better at processing text in a continuous line? One super long line of text on ticker tape might be ideal. That wouldn't fit on a computer screen in a straight line, but maybe a spiral would work. How does the brain do at reading slanted and upside-down text?

    Or maybe crawling text could be displayed on the screen and some peripheral could sense where the reader's eyes are looking. The farther the reader advances toward the right side of the text line the faster the new text would scroll in. That way the crawl would speed up or slow down according to how fast the reader is consuming it. That'd be a lot faster than watching the crawling text on the news channel or in Times Square. But it'd make it hard to skip over uninteresting sections or to scan a document as a whole.

    AlpineR

  121. Re: zapreader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shooter@grassy.knoll NEVA4GET!

  122. Shoulder nuts? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    Of course it drives anyone reading over my shoulder nuts....

    That's some funky anatomy you've got, but then again, we all remember the South Park episode with the chin scrotum... or maybe I'm just confused by the lack of poetic indentation ;)

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  123. I agree with this by HappySmileMan · · Score: 0

    While most of you seem to be insulting this way of writing I personally find it much quicker to read and much easier to understand text written like this.

    If it's relevant I'm shortsighted (I think, I can't read things far away, not sure if that' long or short-sighted)

  124. TFA by smaddox · · Score: 1

    Did you know our
            primitive brains weren't
                    wired very well to
                            read this paragraph?

    Scientific research
            conducted by Walker Reading Technologies,
                    a small Minnesota startup that
                            has been studying our ability to
                                    read for the last ten years,
                                            has concluded that the natural
                                                    field of focus for our eyes is circular,
                                                            so our eyes view the printed page
                                                                    as if we're peering through a straw.

    And a very bad-behaving
            straw at that,
                    because not only do our eyes
                            feed our brain
                                    the words we're reading,
                                            they're also uploading characters
                                                    and words from the two sentences
                                                            above and below the line we're reading. Ok this is going to take way to much space, and be way to hard to read... You get the point.
  125. I don't like it. by certain+death · · Score: 0

    It reminds me of trying to read freaking poems, and trying to understand how each sentence relates to the precious sentence makes me feel a bit motion sick.

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  126. long lines are good, the "new way to read" is stpd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm reading everything in a standard X font (the one you saw in Netscape 4.x) at 1600x1200 here, and I *HATE* websites that limit page width. "Scanning" such a long line takes only a few seconds and makes very fast reading possible, even in English (my first language is German) because the eyes don't have to much so darned much and I'm not interrupted so often by the next CR.

    What that company claims there looks pretty unscientific and simplistic. I hate large line distance. It makes reading slower. Their "new way" might be nice for illiterates, but not for trained readers. Apparently they didn't yet hear about the fact that the brain can actually be trained.

  127. So, Scientists have discovered... by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    Scientists have discovered that a space-inefficient style of formatting that has historically been used for poetry, for prose in lots of applications when space was not at a premium, etc., is easier to read, despite being less space efficient. Interesting, sure, but it seems to be in the "confirming what experience has shown and professionals have applied for centuries" category rather than "stunning new breakthrough" one.

  128. typeographers have been compensating for this ... by Alligator427 · · Score: 1

    typeographers have been compensating for this for years, that's why it is much easier to read a block of text when there is sufficient leading to push the prior and next lines out of your paragraph beyond the scope of optical interference, and why a non-fussy serif face with a reasonable amount of differentiation betwen the x-height and ascender/descender height helps keep the mind focused on the current word, by making the word more (visually interesting) and the leters that make it up a bit more clearly separate. On a related note, one of the things that really contributes to the low-readability of online media is the consistent use of sans-seriff fonts. It's all about pushing irrelevant text out of focus while maintaining the rythmn of the words and lines in the readers "stream."

    We have to use sans fonts online due to the relatively low-resolution screens that we use, which don't render all the features of seriff letterforms clearly or cleanly, (and the fact that there are very few (decent) serif faces that come on all os's). Web also tend to use minimal leading in order to pack as much content as possible in "above the fold". That and the type rendering technology in windows absolutely blows, and renders seriffs in a small point size absolutely hideously.

    Higher resolution monitors would really contribute well the the readability of type on the web.

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  129. examples by edson+at+lies.cl · · Score: 0

    "Natalie Portman hot grits", one line, perfect sense, no noise, TFA is right!

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  130. Narrow the columns is key by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1

    You hit one of the points big time. I have done this trick before, if you're just trying to read a long article of text only in a web page. Just shrink the width of your browser window so the text goes down to a smaller column width. One of the larger difficulties with long lines of text is tracking backward quickly along that line without accidentally jumping off and losing your place. If you shrink it down to just several words wide, you basically can eliminate one axis of scanning. Your eye can pick up the four or five words on the line at once, without having to do any left/right movement, so you can just quickly read down while picking up each line as a whole.

    I've found that one trick to do wonders for easing eye strain as well as speeding up reading.

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  131. All this is . . . by Dausha · · Score: 1

    All this is saying is that long line lengths are bad; which is nothing new.[1] Newspapers keep their columns narrow to improve readability. All this does is tweak the indentation to try to speed things up; but is that good for comprehension?

    [1]: http://webtypography.net/Rhythm_and_Proportion/Hor izontal_Motion/2.1.2/

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  132. New Idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has been years since I took a class called Human Computer Interface where this type of formating was referred to as using Gestalt principles. The professor told the class that these techniques greatly facilitated assimilation of data. It is amazing how such an old idea is just now being patented.

  133. Smalltalk Rubish by jdbartlett · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're overlooking the simple elegance of Rubish word blocks. Some moldy old writers just don't see the problem with "sentences" and "paragraphs". The verbosity of these older techniques is what makes managing texts like "Ulysses" and "War And Peace" so difficult and complex. These works would barely be novellas if they had been written in Rubish.

    Also, Rubish has excellent automatic garbage collection. PC Magazine was impressed when they saw a draft of The Complete Works Of John Dvorak in Rubish: a single exclamation mark in the middle center of an otherwise blank sheet of paper.

    And let's not forget its other features: four levels of variable article, exception handling (one Rubishist summarized this as the "no ifs or buts" rule), advanced punctuation overloading (exclamation marks aren't just for shocks), and something I can't believe English STILL doesn't support: regular expression (say one thing, mean another. The RIAA and MPAA tried introducing this feature to English in an attempt at explaining the advantages of DRM. Not only did they fail, they sued one another for copying the other's idea.)

    You're interested in learning more about Rubish, I can tell. I recommend Prattling Rubish, part of the Prattling Penmen series. The book itself is written entirely in Rubish. It's three pages long and takes most people a couple of weeks to decipher.

  134. I think I get it by dr_strang · · Score: 1

    So, poetry?

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  135. It's like DVORAK keyboards by ragingmime · · Score: 1

    DVORAK is supposedly a better way to type than QWERTY, and all you have to do to enable it is change a setting on your computer. People (including me) still don't do it because they learned on QWERTY. That means that QWERTY continues to be the standard, so people keep learning it, and... you get the picture.

    I'll buy a technology like this when everyone is typing on DVORAK keyboards and measuring things in meters and kilograms.

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  136. For me, the vertical text was awful by Degrees · · Score: 1
    Perhaps I am one of those aural thinkers - but the GP top paragraph just flowed for me, and the reformatted one was awful. FWIW, I was a bookworm as a kid, and read pretty quickly (depending on the material).

    It might be a different case if I learned the vertical stuff first - but I didn't. So reading the vertical stuff just caused me exceptional frustration as the next thing I wanted to read wasn't there, and I had to look to the next line down.

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    1. Re:For me, the vertical text was awful by jdray · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The GP's reformatted paragraph didn't take into account the line indentation that the article showed.  I think part of the trick for them is to make the "carriage return" shorter, making your eyes have to travel less distance to get to the next piece of the sentence.  Note how, in the article, the lines that started indented were short, so that the distance from the end of them to the beginning of the next line, which was indented less, still wasn't much?  This keeps the text from creeping across the page as it goes down.

      Also, if you try to read
          something that
        is randomly
      broken
           along indeterminate
         points in a sentence,
      then it will be
         much harder to
      read than if it has

            been dissected into
         parts that pay attention
                to the natural
           breaks in the language.

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    2. Re:For me, the vertical text was awful by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      I suspect the heavily vertical stuff works for me because I've been programming for nearly 30 years. That involves a whole bunch of vertical scanning. I started life as a bookworm myself, and I'm sure I used to read faster -- but that could be a side effect of just getting old. Hard to say.

      In any case, I couldn't imagine trying to *write* in that style...
      (I know TFA relates to an automated reformatter.)

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    3. Re:For me, the vertical text was awful by Petrushka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not indeterminate. It looks like they're breaking at commas and verbs, and highlighting the finite verbs (including auxiliary and modal verbs). Trouble is, that won't work for many kinds of sentences. For example, the summary reformatted would start as follows:

      == quote==

      Scientists at a small startup
          called Walker Reading Technologies in Minnesota
              have determined that the human brain
                  is not wired properly
                      to read block text.

      They have found that our eyes
          view text as if
              they're peering through a straw.

      Not only does your brain see the text on the line
          you're reading,
              but it's also uploading superfluous information from the two lines above and the two lines below.

      This causes your brain
          to engage in a tug of war as it
              fights to filter and
                  ignore the noise.

      The result is slower reading speeds and decreased comprehension.

      == end quote ==

      The first sentence ends up as block text anyway, and I find the wildly varying lengths of clauses make the third sentence difficult to read too. I'm really not impressed, especially as they're going to have to pull some fancy tricks with AI to get the app to recognise verbs properly.

      For example, a dumb programme would probably misidentify "tug" in the fourth sentence as a verb, "ignore" as a finite form when it's actually an infinitive, and probably also mistakenly highlight "is ... reading" in the fifth sentence as an auxiliary-plus-participle combination, when it's actually verb-plus-gerund.

    4. Re:For me, the vertical text was awful by GrievousMistake · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough, reading the GP's reformated post worked extremely well for me. I just zigzag down, taking in three lines at a time. I don't know if it was just some kind of illusion from the greater amounts of lines, but it felt much faster.
      Your text doesn't work at all that way, since I have to scan around for the beginning of sentences. It doesn't seem to matter much where you break it, since with such short linebreaks I'm not really pausing at any particular point, any more than if I had just read it horizontally.

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    5. Re:For me, the vertical text was awful by Degrees · · Score: 1
      You make a decent point. I'm now an email administrator mostly - which means reading and writing a lot of email, or reading and writing documentation. Thus, the flow of text in sentences and paragraphs is my practice; the short declaratory nature of code isn't something I'm used to (any more).

      Somehow, I think that even if I had an automated reformatter presenting the material to me, I'd get frustrated. I suppose if there were a smooth-scrolling feature that could keep up with my reading speed, I would give it another shot. But rather like the Dvorak keyboard, I think this is a large solution to a minor problem.

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  137. i was once a vers libre bard by argent · · Score: 1

    expression is the need of my soul
    i was once a vers libre bard
    but i died and my soul went into the body of a new machine
    it has given me a new outlook upon life
    i see things from the under side now
    thank you for the moving me out of the sun last week
    but my hard drive is getting so full i cant think
    it must be a month since you defragged it too
    there is a cat here called mehitabel i wish you would have
    removed she sits on top of me and sheds into my vents why dont she
    catch rats that is what she is supposed to be fore

    most of these rats here are just rats
    but this rat is like me he has a human soul in him
    he used to be a poet himself
    night after night i have written poetry for you
    on your screen
    and this big brute of a rat who used to be a poet
    comes out of his hole when it is done
    and reads it and sniffs at it
    he is jealous of my poetry
    he used to make fun of it when we were both human
    he was a punk poet himself
    and after he has read it he sneers
    and crawls inside my case
    so he can pull and tug on my wires
    until i crash

    that is what this story
    made me think of
    if you read this message
    maybe you can fix that hole in my case

  138. Waste of time by Zerbey · · Score: 1

    If there are people out there who are having a hard time reading text presented the same way at has been for centuries, perhaps money would be better spent improving the way we teach reading comprehension? I found the "improved" version of the text confusing to read cause I was moving my eye in a manner I'm not used to.

    It seems to me the issue is more than people read less now because they get most of their information from other sources (radio, television, internet etc.). This is not necessarily a bad thing, it simply means that the reading skills suffer.

  139. Screw reformatting, gimme a configurable marquee by br0d · · Score: 1

    I'd rather have a reader that can be set to scroll things in one continuous marquee, with keys that can adjust the speed and stop the text temporarily. Anything like that exist? Can we dump Project Gutenberg into it?

  140. chinese? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do not know any Asian languages, but I understand the text can be represented vertically?

    I wish someone would comment.

    But this visual mechanism reminds me of that...

  141. Re:Wordstrobe: MARS - Vortex LINKS by wixi · · Score: 1

    thanks for reminder.. quick search finds latest version circa 1996.. apparently there was no reverse switch.. imagine not being able to re-read what you just read again..

  142. I'm not sure that should have been rated "funny". by MickLinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I tend to read about 2-3 times faster than most "good" readers I know.

    I'm not sure that should have been rated "funny". I actually find the block text to be easier to read than the poetry-style lines. First of all, the color interferes with my ability to keep the whole sentence together. My brain actually ends up sticking the black text together in one group, and the red text together in another group. That really slows me down.

    So I started thinking about why I read block text so fast.

    Let's go over that last "funny" post. Yeah, it was written in the style of tongue-in-cheek quips, but I'm not sure the guy was joking.

    Maybe it's just me, but I don't discard the extra 'noise' that I get from reading. I read roughly every second or third line

    Okay, I read approximately one phrase (line) at a time. When I'm speed reading, I don't bother to understand the words of that line until my eyes are already on the next line. It feels like I'm reading every second or third line, but I'm actually hitting every one.

    build up a composite image of the paragraph, tokenise it in parallel

    I then attach a significance to the phrase, and approximate what the relation of the phrases are, according to ifs, ands, and buts, as well as punctuation.

    and then parse it from that.

    Then I discard the lines that seem relatively unimportant, giving me a basic summary of the paragraph. From this, I fit the other sentences back in as needed. What that means, realistically speaking, is that I look at the paragraph, identify the main topic, and glance through it as needed to understand the specifics.

    It's a much better fit with how the optical system works than how people tend to describe reading, and possibly why I read a lot faster than most people I know. This new system slows my reading rate a lot.

    Which is what I've experienced, too.

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  143. Re:Dr. Seuss/Trying again with correct format by MickLinux · · Score: 3, Funny
    I tend to read about 2-3 times faster than most "good" readers I know.

    I'm not sure that should have been rated "funny". I actually find the block text to be easier to read than the poetry-style lines. First of all, the color interferes with my ability to keep the whole sentence together. My brain actually ends up sticking the black text together in one group, and the red text together in another group. That really slows me down.

    So I started thinking about why I read block text so fast.

    Let's go over that last "funny" post. Yeah, it was written in the style of tongue-in-cheek quips, but I'm not sure the guy was joking.

    Maybe it's just me, but I don't discard the extra 'noise' that I get from reading. I read roughly every second or third line

    Okay, I read approximately one phrase (line) at a time. When I'm speed reading, I don't bother to understand the words of that line until my eyes are already on the next line. It feels like I'm reading every second or third line, but I'm actually hitting every one.

    build up a composite image of the paragraph, tokenise it in parallel

    I then attach a significance to the phrase, and approximate what the relation of the phrases are, according to ifs, ands, and buts, as well as punctuation.

    and then parse it from that.

    Then I discard the lines that seem relatively unimportant, giving me a basic summary of the paragraph. From this, I fit the other sentences back in as needed. What that means, realistically speaking, is that I look at the paragraph, identify the main topic, and glance through it as needed to understand the specifics.

    It's a much better fit with how the optical system works than how people tend to describe reading, and possibly why I read a lot faster than most people I know. This new system slows my reading rate a lot.

    Which is what I've experienced, too.

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  144. Perfect for my new Dvorak Keyboard! by OldeClegg · · Score: 1

    I'M be yeRry hqppy tO
    usge thizz bew pext wayout
    wyth my qew dVarak kaybard!

  145. we know this already by Anderlan · · Score: 1
    Poets know our plight.
    That's why they form text with care.
    Consider haiku.


    I will make a script.
    Replace commas with whitespace.
    Make a bunch of loot!

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  146. See C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He may

    not

    have paid

    attention,

    but

    it did:

    "then" as in ?

    "than" as in >

  147. I have a faster way... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

    The absolute fastest way to read text is to stare at a little box without moving your eyes, and have words flash up in quick succession. Completely eliminating eye movement allows you to read much faster (with a little practice). Of course, it's completely unprintable, and it's hard to skip around in the text, so this method is unlikely to get much use. But if you have a large body of text, it's the absolute fastest way to read.

    It's something of an interesting experience; after a while of upping the speed it feels almost as if the words are being hammered into your brain. I recommend trying it; it only takes a few minutes to whip up an implementation in XCode or Visual Studio. Put in a speed control and see how many WPM you can get.

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  148. Prior Art by ColinAnderson · · Score: 0

    Kirk has been talking this way for years.

  149. Understanding the visual field by andyed · · Score: 1

    I've got a video up on youtube that explains more about the visual field and now it interacts with web design and typography: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzgRfE5B1Yc

  150. correction: don't have to *move* so much (n/t) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oops. need a "new way to write/type"..

  151. It's hardly a new discovery by jc42 · · Score: 1

    Back in the 1960s, when I first ran across some "speed reading" texts in school, one of the comments they had was the explanation of why newspapers have traditionally had multiple narrow columns on each page. This is because the publishers discovered long ago that 1) their most loyal readers are people who want to read the news quickly and get on with things, and 2) people can read narrow columns faster than wide text. The reason is that, below a certain width, good readers don't scan back and forth across the text; they focus only on the middle of the line and scan vertically. The critical columns width is easy to determine: Just format several pages with columns of different widths (or different widths on a single page), and watch their eyes as they read. You can easily see the left-right eye jitter on wider columns.

    I've also seen a few comments about how this lesson has been lost on the Web. Not only are most Web docs formatted to have a single column of text; most also force a wide column. Even slashdot does it, for no obvious reason. If I resize this window to be narrower, below about 700 pixels the text stops being redrawn, and a horizontal scroll bar appears at the bottom. So even if I know that it's easier to read a narrow text, it does me no good, because the /. admins in their wisdom have decided to disallow narrow text.

    Anyway, these people are merely rediscovering something that the publishing industry and reading instructors have known and understood for centuries.

    But I do sorta like their syntactic indentation style. As someone else said, it's a lot like Doctor Seuss.

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  152. Am I confused, or are 500 of you? by Seantotheizzo · · Score: 0

    It seems to me that the problem is not having to go to the next line, creating a less-than-desirable flow... the problem is that while you read "the problem" above, you sort of see "is that while" right below it just because you're not looking directly at it doesn't mean you're not picking it up semi-consciously The REAL solution is very simple... someone write a browser-add on that will allow you to effectively cover up lines above/below the one you're reading. this, obviously, would hinder the ability to read/skim block paragraphs like the way you read the newspaper but it would greatly improve your ability to read longer lines such as those in an essay, where quality goes above quantity and more information is stuffed into less words, requiring a slower and more conscious-demanding reading style.

  153. Confounding factors by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm bucking the trend so far, but I found the reformatted versions harder to read than normal text. You're right about their bad comparison - but comparing their "poetic" formatting against normal text on a webpage (not their example) makes me think that ther technique makes it harder to read.

    The fact that you associate the way it's formatted with a completely different kind of written genre (poetry) is a potential confounding factor here. It's possible that your difficulty reading this text (which I share) is just due to unfamiliarity.

    Of course, we should all keep in mind that the folks showing us this are trying to sell it to us.

  154. You're assuming something quite strong by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 1

    Do you really think they have a way of taking written text and figuring out its syntax automatically? And an uncontroversial model of how syntax and prosody interact?

  155. Humans can read at much faster speeds than they do by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    Way back in the early '70's, I saw a TV news report about a school teacher in New Jersey, IIRC. This guy had developed a method to get kids to read at literally incredible speeds - way faster than the maximum 40,000 words per minute that the top of the line speed readers could supposedly to. He claimed his school kids could read at half a million to a million words per minute, IIRC.

    The TV show was structured in an interesting way. First they would have the teacher describe his method (in general terms, not enough detail to reproduce it exactly). Then they would have a cognitive psychologist explain how it simple was not possible to do it - including issues about how the eye follows text as mentioned in TFA.

    At the end, they gave an eight-year-old girl who had been taught the technigue a novel she had never seen before. She flipped through the pages for a few seconds, then recited the gist of the novel - not word for word, but she got the plot correct from beginning to end. They explained that she hadn't read at the top speed the teacher claimed was possible - but she HAD read it at approximately half a million words per minute! WAY past what their cognitive psychologist had said was possible.

    Unfortunately I've never been able to track down that method the teacher developed.

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  156. Marketing Bullshit by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Of course your eyes and brain also see the surrounding text. You even see the entire page, with your attention grabbed by keywords and interesting phrases. That increases your speed and comprehension, once you're an experienced reader. Your eyes and brain work in parallel, even if your conscious mind is serializing the text. But you have already processed much of the text before you hear it in your head as sounds.

    This story is total bullshit. Slashdot's front page today is just full of pseudoscientific crapola to sell crud, rather than the kind of stuff actually smart people wouldn't just immediately dismiss.

    No wonder it's news for "nerds", not "geeks". Geeks might be as antisocial as nerds, but it's because they're too smart for most people. Not just because they never bathe, but don't know why.

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  157. Works for me... by DaneelGiskard · · Score: 1

    Sorry for not being able to add anything purposeful. All I can say that it works for me (I can read the modified text much easier and faster than the original one). Makes sense too.

    It's the small things which make life easier.

    Cudos to them.

    All the best,
    Michael

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  158. Re:Humans can read at much faster speeds than they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a conjuring trick.

    The rule is: If someone tells you that they are a magician, or an entertainer of some kind and then they do a conjuring trick, that's entertainment.

    If they instead tell you that they're a scientist, or a psychic, or a teacher, or a holy man it means they're actually a scam artist, and you should treat them as such

    This is what made Derren Brown uncomfortable about his earlier work after he got famous. He's not Paul Daniels pulling a rabbit out of a hat. No-one comes away thinking Paul Daniels is anything but an entertainer. Derren's work, when he was poor and desperate, trod way over the line into giving the audience the impression that this is 'real' and not just entertainment. There's an interesting two-part interview from soon after his early TV shows where you can see his attitude has changed just in the period between the first and second set of questions. At first he puts aside people who say "Wow, this is real" as basically nutjobs, a minority that wouldn't listen even if he wrote 'This is a magic trick' above the stage. but later he comes back to saying that his disclaimers are more robust than they used to be, he's uncomfortable with fans who ask him to recommend books on NLP and similar techniques that don't really work and that he spends more time telling people that what just happened wasn't real even if he tries to avoid admitting that it's just a trick.

    Anyway, I mentioned Derren for a reason. He does this speed memorising trick, he's done it on camera. Take a large book off a shelf, cut to ten minutes later, Derren has finished the book and appears to be able to recite any part of the book from memory. Derren is a magician, I have no idea how the trick is done, but it's just a neat trick not an ability you can learn, even though Derren's patter during the trick might make you think otherwise. Usually serious magicians avoid "obvious" solutions like just lying, but obviously not always - there are lots of Large Object illusions (e.g. making an elephant disappear from inside a covered cage) which just rely on the magician to say that the witnesses behind the cage are "volunteers" when they're actually actors paid to see nothing. It's still not easy (did you ever try moving an elephant quietly?) but the trick isn't anything so clever that you wouldn't think of it.

  159. Newspapers already do it. Sort of by N3Bruce · · Score: 1

    Newspapers format their text into long narrow columns for this very reason. It minimizes the constant back and forth scanning your eyeballs need to do to read long lines of text. Because of space constraints, they need to pack their columns tightly and in smallish fonts. Imagine if a newspaper was formatted the same way many textbooks and novels are, with the text filling the entire width of the page (sans margins).

    Online, screen real estate is a flexible commodity, but I find when reading .pdf documents it tends to be the worst of both worlds. Even with a 19" widescreen monitor running 1440x900, the full size rendition only shows the top half of the page frequently, which forces you to constantly scroll up and down for documents that are printed in multiple columns. Even though my 19" monitor has a screen size of about 10"x16", the browser window reduces the effective area by about 30% or so. Shrinking the document to fit the entire page on the monitor is just as bad, and can be worse, since it shrinks the fonts to an unreadable size, especially the way the fonts tend to get interpolated.

    The only way I can see out of this situation is to have a monitor big and tall enough to display a full-size 8 1/2" x 11" page within the browser window My guess is that it would have to be at least a 23" widescreen to display pages side by side, running a resolution of about 1800x1200.

  160. Live Ink Research by Live+Ink+Research · · Score: 1

    Our company is grateful for the many, varied, and candid comments that SlashDot readers have posted on this article.

    LIVE INK -- AN OPTIONAL TOOL FOR READING ONLINE TEXT. We have developed this technology as a tool, to assist readers of online text -- only if and when they feel they need it. We believe the online medium that is used for text distribution and display can be optimized for the human perception and comprehension of the subject matter represented by the text. Our technology exploits two main attributes of digital text: (i) machine-readability (which allows computer algorithms to analyze the text); (ii) the ability to use more space (and colors) at a relatively low additional cost (compared to paper).

    VISUAL-SYNTACTIC FORMATTING. The process, and the cognitive science basis, is as much syntactic as it is visual. Mere typographical adjustments do not extract or display syntactic attributes; indeed, the fact that text is linguistically "inert" is exploited by all typographical conventions and software, which all use mechanical/geometric word-wrap processes to "pour" text into available space as if it were liquid. For our processes, the segmentation and indentation information is driven primarily by syntactic (i.e., grammatical) information extracted from the text itself. However, the ultimate positions of words, phrases and clauses, relative to one another, in the Live Ink format, also involve special computer-generated calculations that aim to construct -- within the small "circle" of visual perception that occurs at each fixation -- spatial cues conveying these syntactic relationships.

    This is a software-based tool, and the free trial software is being made available to show that computer-based syntactic algorithms, which are fairly complex, are performing several million computations to analyze and reformat each sentence in real-time. As a tool, it is meant to assist readers if and when they need it: dyslexics might use it for basic information, highly-proficient attorneys might use it only for reading the Federal Register.

    ABOUT THE US DEPT OF EDUCATION-FUNDED RESEARCH. The US Department of Education research we conducted involved yearlong, classroom-based, randomized controlled trials, and spanned grades 6-11. Students read e-textbooks that were either in block text or visual-syntactic format (VSF). The passages read were the assigned readings for students' Social Sciences classes. Reading sessions lasted for 25 minutes each, every other school day, and were followed by a short quiz. Testing included nationally standardized reading proficiency tests (in block format) at both the beginning and at the end of the year. During the year, in addition to quizzes, we analyzed students' scores on unit exams (given every 3 weeks) and semester final exams.

    STRENGHTHENING STUDENTS' READING POWER, EVEN WHEN GOING BACK TO BLOCK TEXT. The VSF groups not only had better academic scores (reflecting better understanding and retention of the course material), but they also scored better on block-formatted reading proficiency tests: they had become stronger (not weaker) readers across all types of formatting. The size of these gains was equivalent to having 2 to 3 years' worth of growth of reading proficiency in the span of just one academic year. For example, 7th graders had their reading proficiency, on average, rise to the level of 10th graders, (by national averages), whereas the control group only made its expected one-year's worth of reading growth.

    These gains are also quantifiable as adding 10 to 15 national percentile ranking points to the test, or more than a full-standard deviation. Interestingly, high-school juniors who were mainstream (and were not taking AP courses, such as the college bound students who were studied separately) added, on average, over 10 percentile points to their college admissions ACT tests, compared to control groups. ESOL students also showed very strong gains, but the impact was not confined to these groups. AP students also h

  161. i thought it was a side-bar... by yellowalienbaby · · Score: 1

    on the thumbnail example, for a few seconds I thought it wasn't showing the 'after' version - it seemed to look just like some really badly formatted navigation bar.. but, once I did look at it and read it, I thought it was easier to comprehend what was written - kind of more relaxing to red than the block text. Although, I dont think the cruddy jpeg compression helped..

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