I know you are going for funny point mods, but the real advantage here to Dominos is that NO gratuity is expected at all. If the price is the same then they will sell far more pizzas as people won't have to worry about tipping enough, or being dressed well enough to greet a stranger at the door, or have the front living room clean enough as said pizza person casually stares past you as you fumble for your wallet. Just talking to a stranger is a task for some socially awkward people. It will be perceived as safer also. No one casing your home as they deliver pizza. When you factor in the energy and gas savings and once it is perfected I bet the per mile cost is 1/10th the amount with a delivery person.
Yes jobs will be lost. Drudge jobs we as a society shouldn't be expecting people to live by. As for students, their time is better spent studying than trying to pick a few extra bucks, because like it or not, the no skill jobs are going away. Even many skilled jobs are in peril. This will be an awkward 10-50 years as we learn to adapt society to a not-everyone-has-to-work society. Corny as Star Trek's 'we work to better ourselves' slogan is, the only non-dystopian future will have to be this way -- where you are not compensated for the work you provide, but by how well you prove you are constantly learning and helping society as a whole, and yes for same that will be a regular job kind of work, but for most it will be community service and continuing education.
Can Elon incorporate this discovery quickly enough into his Giga-Factory to make the Tesla 3 an assured success, where people don't worry about wear and tear on the battery?
Easy way to get mod points, but just because Rush Limbaugh said it, doesn't make it true.
Goebbels actually thought propaganda should be truthful. It is perhaps comforting to thinking of the Nazis as evil in every way, but the true evil comes from how they trusted the system in which they worked without question.
Might Ad-blocking have stopped this? The industry wants to ban ad-blocking, but every other day there is a story about malicious 3rd party exploits using ads as a vector. Why does a news site have to have some horrible complicated Javascript Ad intwined code to function? Note to industry, the ad can be sandboxed as a static entity separate from the main page Javascript. Likely this time the passwords didn’t end up in the hands of hostiles, but who knows, especially since now they know to go look to see if it was collected as part of other behind the scenes shenanigans. The idea that the page should be “Collecting” page event information from the page for 3rd parties is pretty scary.
The world is full of people that are sure in their minds they are right and will do whatever it takes to stand up for their beliefs. The suicide bomber in Brussels I'm sure was convinced he had rightful justification for his actions.
Escalate, yes, Fight the system, yes. Commit dangerous, illegal, criminal acts in defence of your beliefs, NO.
Not everyone can be IN CHARGE. While there are many bad outcomes from following the chain of command, on average it is probably better than the anarchy that would reign without it.
Perhaps you are engaging in hyperbole with your rifle example, but do you really want every halfwit in our country destroying things to back up their beliefs, because they "KNOW" they are right?
Seems odd you can’t voice a dissenting opinion without what amounts to threatening violence to express your political opinion. You wouldn’t be Republican would you?
I can be against all sorts of behaviors without resorting to harassment or abuse. This seems squarely aimed at intimidating replies to others or exhorting to violence. Seems this almost fall under regular law and Twitter is just enforcing it more directly.
Yes early researchers were wildly optimistic. I don’t see how that makes them arrogant. Other disciplines had followed much quicker paths to success. Say the Wright Brothers to the first Jet Plane or the Manhattan Project and the bomb. However it didn’t have to be that way. The Wright Brother’s early success could have been followed by decades of stumbling along only to make small progress because of unforeseeable reasons. I guess you would have mocked those early aviators as poor arrogant fools as well.
It is often the nature of problems not to know the magnitude of the obstacles until you commit resources to solving said problem.
Similarly just because a problem has persisted for a long time, doesn’t mean it can’t be cracked. Superconductor research is an example of something that languished a long time, then suddenly flourished. I suspect both Nuclear Fusion and Strong AI to be cracked within the next 2 to 5 decades.
Early strong success are usually an indicator you are on the right track, not the opposite.
Ray Kurzweil’s predictions may be over hyped, on the other hand may of his predictions have come true, many to a great degree of accuracy, others less so, or slightly delayed, but hardly wildly wrong.
Show me your great accomplishments that show why these people shouldn't "persist in their stupidity"
I guess I did ask for some examples, and this is one... However...
I am aware of Penrose’s wild speculations. It is likely quantum processes are involved in some structures deep within neurons and optimize when neurons should fire, similar to the way Chlorophyll uses quantum mechanics to absorb light. Note, the fact that Chlorophyll uses quantum principles does not keep us from developing Solar Cells, which by the way, harvest light 10-20x more efficiently than the best plants. The idea that the whole of the brain is in some highly entangled state involving billions of neurons is a wild flight of fancy given the molecularlarly noisy and hot environment the brain is. We are also on the verge of having true Quantum Computers, which I doubt are needed for Strong AI, but will likely hasten its arrival by optimizing the rules needed by non-quantum computers.
We now have self driving cars, Computers that identify images better than humans, Deep Blue could beat the best Chess player in the world in 1997. Watson won Jeopardy! in 2011. But somehow you suppose that Quantum Mechanics (or other unjustified hand waving speculation) is needed on a massive scale to emulate intelligence.
Even so, we will have Quantum Mechanical computers soon, so even that isn’t a stumbling block if it were a necessity.
Since it is largely only human creativity and independent problem solving that are really the only missing elements to Strong AI currently and these are traits also largely missing in animals. What enormous evolutionary event occurred that allowed Humans to think so well? It seems largely to be just one of scale. Our brains are bigger and we passed some critical threshold to develop and hold advanced abstract concepts in our brain, an advance that went hand and hand in parallel with the emergence of sophisticated language (both driving the other). I speculate that aided by us, computers are on a similar path to pass criticality when it comes to intelligence. I further speculate the ability to better model abstract concepts will be the final threshold for Strong AI – some sort of Meta-Meta-Abstract recursion for representing concepts symbolically.
...it is completely unclear whether strong/true AI is possible at all in this universe. There are a few strong hints that it may not be.
Could you provide a few of these supposed strong hints?
In fact, we cannot even define intelligence as found in humans in any other way than by what it can do.
So if a machine can do these things, but has arrived at this state by learning with neural nets, or genetic algorithms such that we still can’t define exactly how its intelligence works, does that preclude saying it is intelligent?
I am always amused by arguments on both sides of the isle that generally can be summed up as, “it is inevitable and coming soon” and “it is virtually impossible and humanity has no chance of cracking it for the foreseeable future”
I find arguments on both sides of the isle weak and overly certain of their claims.
I do tend toward the camp this thinks it is definitely possible I cite the Meat Based Intelligence Engine in my skull as evidence – thus it is materially possible, and I’m pretty sure gooey protean is not the best substrate for it – just the only avenue evolution had to work with.
As to the when we will get here -- it could be tomorrow it could be a thousand years. We may get there through incrementalism, we may have a sudden breakthrough or insight, though most likely through a mix. Regardless, it is probably prudent to do some planning and scenario building now and get out ahead of this thing.
Plants primarily use the Red and Blue portions of the EM spectrum. Could we build areas that harvest most of the Sunlight (especially Non-Red, Non-Blue frequencies) while supplying Plants directly beneath with enough overall light for growth? Many species of plants are quite shade tolerant. Does Corn for instance use all available light for growth or could lower levels still support near full growth?
This might be a particularly attractive strategy in arid areas. Solar Farms might do double duty as green houses to hold in moisture which is at a higher premium than light in those areas for agriculture.
Again if lead is a major contributor as is acknowledged, cooking with it will not be safe. You can remove the volatiles and any bacterial contaminates yes, but the lead remains. Why say it is still safe to cook with? Even earlier when the were advising boil to drink, were they aware at all about the lead levels? Seems more like a desire to play down the hazard by giving the populace something to do, even if ineffective.
What I’d like to know is how the advice to boil the water was going to make it safe for drinking? Even now they are saying safe for washing and cooking. Again, if it is lead, why is it safe to cook with it? The idiocy just never seems to end. Perhaps all the politicians in Flint have lead poisoning as well.
If I had mods today I would put this back up to 0 or 1. Not that I agree, or that this is insightful, but why the down rating? This person is entitled to their opinion. You don't agree? Well that is not what mod points are for. Craft a well worded reply and perhaps get some positive mods.
Down mods should be for Trolls and Hate speech or occasionally when something over a 1 is overrated.
Increasing Memory Speeds 1000x will not lead to a straight 1000x increase in operations. There are undoubtedly other bottles necks in processing. What for instance is the theoretical max throughput of the memory interface used (is it a modified SSD interface)? What CPU overhead is involved? Don't expect your computer to perform 1000x better across the board just because one component is 1000x faster.
One, it is unclear from having read the article exactly what level of automation the author is railing against. There is a huge amount of experimentation on the part of the major players in this race and likely several levels of automation will arrive nearly simultaneously. The best approach will tend to win out in the market. Its not like it will be suddenly all totally automated cars and an “OMG we made the wrong choice” scenario.
Likely we will evolve into fully automated as more and more cars become automated. Eventually it will reach a tipping point where the government needs/wants all the human drivers off the roads for safety and efficiency -- when this happens, driving laws and automated enforcement of every minor offense will force humans to cede control to automation else be fined into the poor house. The biggest challenge to fully automated cars will be dealing with unpredictable humans. The mixed environment for the next 2-3 decades will be quite challenging for all involved.
With registration you can still have guns, so what is the purpose you refer to? The "A well regulated Militia the" part? We have a national defence agency that doesn't rely on guys with muskets any more. I don't see a no registration clause to the amendment in any event.
Oregon has some of the Nation’s most liberal gun laws Gun Laws in Oregon
I personally do not advocate the total abolition of guns, but in light of the repeated incidents of gun violence and mass shoots, it would seem to make sense to review what works and what doesn’t work in preventing these sad events.
For those that support total bans, this put those in areas where police protection or assistance is miles away at an awful disadvantage to criminals.
For those that resist even the most minimal of background checks and waiting periods, you are so devoted to your Gun ideology that you can’t see there is a middle ground that can save lives.
For those that scream we need to be able to stop authoritarian governments should things go wrong, that boat had sailed sometime in the early 20th Century. You aren’t going effect political change with guns – period. This group especially worries me, as they include some of the most rabid bigots you will ever run into, and are convinced the rise of minorities in America is a precursor to the end of times and a plot by the New World Order.
We need to do something better and I’m I’m tending to tighter controls not less.
While I might be able to do 70-80 when concentrating and transcribing, I find I poke along at 30-40 while composing. 6 doesn't sound all that awful for someone so deprived of other sensations and abilities. I think you largely view these things by the alternatives when you're in these situations.
Many would see this as the end of frustration -- not the beginning.
Almost everything in the solar system built up by accretion. Small bodies aggregate into larger ones by collision. If the bodies have enough mass they coalesce into spherical forms under gravitational attraction.
This comet probably started out has hundreds of bodies (millions, billions, trillions, depending on where you decide the cut off is between body, dust, molecule) -- of which we are focusing on just one of the last, largest collisions.
The next time they, or anyone in their crews, commit a violent act, the police will come after everyone in the group for whatever offense they can make stick, no matter how petty.
So... minor offenses that good white people can get away with will now be persecuted (with zeal) against minorities mostly. Nothing there that will inflame some community like Ferguson or Baltimore.
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I know you are going for funny point mods, but the real advantage here to Dominos is that NO gratuity is expected at all. If the price is the same then they will sell far more pizzas as people won't have to worry about tipping enough, or being dressed well enough to greet a stranger at the door, or have the front living room clean enough as said pizza person casually stares past you as you fumble for your wallet. Just talking to a stranger is a task for some socially awkward people. It will be perceived as safer also. No one casing your home as they deliver pizza. When you factor in the energy and gas savings and once it is perfected I bet the per mile cost is 1/10th the amount with a delivery person.
Yes jobs will be lost. Drudge jobs we as a society shouldn't be expecting people to live by. As for students, their time is better spent studying than trying to pick a few extra bucks, because like it or not, the no skill jobs are going away. Even many skilled jobs are in peril. This will be an awkward 10-50 years as we learn to adapt society to a not-everyone-has-to-work society. Corny as Star Trek's 'we work to better ourselves' slogan is, the only non-dystopian future will have to be this way -- where you are not compensated for the work you provide, but by how well you prove you are constantly learning and helping society as a whole, and yes for same that will be a regular job kind of work, but for most it will be community service and continuing education.
Can Elon incorporate this discovery quickly enough into his Giga-Factory to make the Tesla 3 an assured success, where people don't worry about wear and tear on the battery?
Easy way to get mod points, but just because Rush Limbaugh said it, doesn't make it true.
Goebbels actually thought propaganda should be truthful.
It is perhaps comforting to thinking of the Nazis as evil in every way, but the true evil comes from how they trusted the system in which they worked without question.
Fake Quotations
Might Ad-blocking have stopped this? The industry wants to ban ad-blocking, but every other day there is a story about malicious 3rd party exploits using ads as a vector. Why does a news site have to have some horrible complicated Javascript Ad intwined code to function? Note to industry, the ad can be sandboxed as a static entity separate from the main page Javascript. Likely this time the passwords didn’t end up in the hands of hostiles, but who knows, especially since now they know to go look to see if it was collected as part of other behind the scenes shenanigans. The idea that the page should be “Collecting” page event information from the page for 3rd parties is pretty scary.
The world is full of people that are sure in their minds they are right and will do whatever it takes to stand up for their beliefs.
The suicide bomber in Brussels I'm sure was convinced he had rightful justification for his actions.
Escalate, yes,
Fight the system, yes.
Commit dangerous, illegal, criminal acts in defence of your beliefs, NO.
Not everyone can be IN CHARGE. While there are many bad outcomes from following the chain of command, on average it is probably better than the anarchy that would reign without it.
Perhaps you are engaging in hyperbole with your rifle example, but do you really want every halfwit in our country destroying things to back up their beliefs, because they "KNOW" they are right?
It wouldn't take many guests to justify this cost.
I don't plan on using it (though I have an awesome Entertainment room). But who knows.
The real question is how they will keep Mom and Pop from trying to make a buck off the Neighbourhood?
The cost is trivial for large families and those that entertain.
High for us one child family or smaller types.
Expect some future iteration to include a camera monitoring the audience size.
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Seems odd you can’t voice a dissenting opinion without what amounts to threatening violence to express your political opinion. You wouldn’t be Republican would you?
I can be against all sorts of behaviors without resorting to harassment or abuse. This seems squarely aimed at intimidating replies to others or exhorting to violence. Seems this almost fall under regular law and Twitter is just enforcing it more directly.
Yes early researchers were wildly optimistic. I don’t see how that makes them arrogant. Other disciplines had followed much quicker paths to success. Say the Wright Brothers to the first Jet Plane or the Manhattan Project and the bomb. However it didn’t have to be that way. The Wright Brother’s early success could have been followed by decades of stumbling along only to make small progress because of unforeseeable reasons. I guess you would have mocked those early aviators as poor arrogant fools as well.
It is often the nature of problems not to know the magnitude of the obstacles until you commit resources to solving said problem.
Similarly just because a problem has persisted for a long time, doesn’t mean it can’t be cracked. Superconductor research is an example of something that languished a long time, then suddenly flourished. I suspect both Nuclear Fusion and Strong AI to be cracked within the next 2 to 5 decades.
Early strong success are usually an indicator you are on the right track, not the opposite.
Ray Kurzweil’s predictions may be over hyped, on the other hand may of his predictions have come true, many to a great degree of accuracy, others less so, or slightly delayed, but hardly wildly wrong.
Show me your great accomplishments that show why these people shouldn't "persist in their stupidity"
I guess I did ask for some examples, and this is one... However...
I am aware of Penrose’s wild speculations. It is likely quantum processes are involved in some structures deep within neurons and optimize when neurons should fire, similar to the way Chlorophyll uses quantum mechanics to absorb light. Note, the fact that Chlorophyll uses quantum principles does not keep us from developing Solar Cells, which by the way, harvest light 10-20x more efficiently than the best plants. The idea that the whole of the brain is in some highly entangled state involving billions of neurons is a wild flight of fancy given the molecularlarly noisy and hot environment the brain is. We are also on the verge of having true Quantum Computers, which I doubt are needed for Strong AI, but will likely hasten its arrival by optimizing the rules needed by non-quantum computers.
We now have self driving cars, Computers that identify images better than humans, Deep Blue could beat the best Chess player in the world in 1997. Watson won Jeopardy! in 2011. But somehow you suppose that Quantum Mechanics (or other unjustified hand waving speculation) is needed on a massive scale to emulate intelligence.
Even so, we will have Quantum Mechanical computers soon, so even that isn’t a stumbling block if it were a necessity.
Since it is largely only human creativity and independent problem solving that are really the only missing elements to Strong AI currently and these are traits also largely missing in animals. What enormous evolutionary event occurred that allowed Humans to think so well? It seems largely to be just one of scale. Our brains are bigger and we passed some critical threshold to develop and hold advanced abstract concepts in our brain, an advance that went hand and hand in parallel with the emergence of sophisticated language (both driving the other). I speculate that aided by us, computers are on a similar path to pass criticality when it comes to intelligence. I further speculate the ability to better model abstract concepts will be the final threshold for Strong AI – some sort of Meta-Meta-Abstract recursion for representing concepts symbolically.
Could you provide a few of these supposed strong hints?
So if a machine can do these things, but has arrived at this state by learning with neural nets, or genetic algorithms such that we still can’t define exactly how its intelligence works, does that preclude saying it is intelligent?
I am always amused by arguments on both sides of the isle that generally can be summed up as, “it is inevitable and coming soon” and “it is virtually impossible and humanity has no chance of cracking it for the foreseeable future”
I find arguments on both sides of the isle weak and overly certain of their claims.
I do tend toward the camp this thinks it is definitely possible I cite the Meat Based Intelligence Engine in my skull as evidence – thus it is materially possible, and I’m pretty sure gooey protean is not the best substrate for it – just the only avenue evolution had to work with.
As to the when we will get here -- it could be tomorrow it could be a thousand years. We may get there through incrementalism, we may have a sudden breakthrough or insight, though most likely through a mix. Regardless, it is probably prudent to do some planning and scenario building now and get out ahead of this thing.
Do I hear
We Need a Better Way to Protect Established Players and Corrupt Governments
?
Plants primarily use the Red and Blue portions of the EM spectrum. Could we build areas that harvest most of the Sunlight (especially Non-Red, Non-Blue frequencies) while supplying Plants directly beneath with enough overall light for growth? Many species of plants are quite shade tolerant. Does Corn for instance use all available light for growth or could lower levels still support near full growth?
This might be a particularly attractive strategy in arid areas. Solar Farms might do double duty as green houses to hold in moisture which is at a higher premium than light in those areas for agriculture.
Again if lead is a major contributor as is acknowledged, cooking with it will not be safe. You can remove the volatiles and any bacterial contaminates yes, but the lead remains. Why say it is still safe to cook with? Even earlier when the were advising boil to drink, were they aware at all about the lead levels? Seems more like a desire to play down the hazard by giving the populace something to do, even if ineffective.
What I’d like to know is how the advice to boil the water was going to make it safe for drinking? Even now they are saying safe for washing and cooking. Again, if it is lead, why is it safe to cook with it? The idiocy just never seems to end. Perhaps all the politicians in Flint have lead poisoning as well.
If I had mods today I would put this back up to 0 or 1.
Not that I agree, or that this is insightful, but why the down rating? This person is entitled to their opinion.
You don't agree? Well that is not what mod points are for. Craft a well worded reply and perhaps get some positive mods.
Down mods should be for Trolls and Hate speech or occasionally when something over a 1 is overrated.
Increasing Memory Speeds 1000x will not lead to a straight 1000x increase in operations. There are undoubtedly other bottles necks in processing. What for instance is the theoretical max throughput of the memory interface used (is it a modified SSD interface)? What CPU overhead is involved? Don't expect your computer to perform 1000x better across the board just because one component is 1000x faster.
...But my EYES and EARS are bleeding.
One, it is unclear from having read the article exactly what level of automation the author is railing against. There is a huge amount of experimentation on the part of the major players in this race and likely several levels of automation will arrive nearly simultaneously. The best approach will tend to win out in the market. Its not like it will be suddenly all totally automated cars and an “OMG we made the wrong choice” scenario.
Likely we will evolve into fully automated as more and more cars become automated. Eventually it will reach a tipping point where the government needs/wants all the human drivers off the roads for safety and efficiency -- when this happens, driving laws and automated enforcement of every minor offense will force humans to cede control to automation else be fined into the poor house. The biggest challenge to fully automated cars will be dealing with unpredictable humans. The mixed environment for the next 2-3 decades will be quite challenging for all involved.
With registration you can still have guns, so what is the purpose you refer to? The "A well regulated Militia the" part? We have a national defence agency that doesn't rely on guys with muskets any more. I don't see a no registration clause to the amendment in any event.
Oregon has some of the Nation’s most liberal gun laws Gun Laws in Oregon
I personally do not advocate the total abolition of guns, but in light of the repeated incidents of gun violence and mass shoots, it would seem to make sense to review what works and what doesn’t work in preventing these sad events.
For those that support total bans, this put those in areas where police protection or assistance is miles away at an awful disadvantage to criminals.
For those that resist even the most minimal of background checks and waiting periods, you are so devoted to your Gun ideology that you can’t see there is a middle ground that can save lives.
For those that scream we need to be able to stop authoritarian governments should things go wrong, that boat had sailed sometime in the early 20th Century. You aren’t going effect political change with guns – period. This group especially worries me, as they include some of the most rabid bigots you will ever run into, and are convinced the rise of minorities in America is a precursor to the end of times and a plot by the New World Order.
We need to do something better and I’m I’m tending to tighter controls not less.
While I might be able to do 70-80 when concentrating and transcribing, I find I poke along at 30-40 while composing. 6 doesn't sound all that awful for someone so deprived of other sensations and abilities. I think you largely view these things by the alternatives when you're in these situations.
Many would see this as the end of frustration -- not the beginning.
Almost everything in the solar system built up by accretion. Small bodies aggregate into larger ones by collision. If the bodies have enough mass they coalesce into spherical forms under gravitational attraction.
This comet probably started out has hundreds of bodies (millions, billions, trillions, depending on where you decide the cut off is between body, dust, molecule) -- of which we are focusing on just one of the last, largest collisions.
So... minor offenses that good white people can get away with will now be persecuted (with zeal) against minorities mostly. Nothing there that will inflame some community like Ferguson or Baltimore.
Typo in original post, none detected in over a year. 05/14/2014