Agreed, but how much of that "high-end Solaris" is under SCO license restrictions?
Pretty much all of it; it's a SysVR4-derived UNIX and Sun have an in perpetuity licence from AT&T^WCaldera^WSCO^Wwhoever to use SysV technology and the UNIX mark in their software. That's use, but not do a lot else.
There are other licensing restrictions; grepping the executable scripts (or the source, if you're in higher education) for the word "Microsoft" is rather enlightening.
Oh? I appear to have Postfix as the default MTA on my SuSE and Darwin/BSD machines, not sendmail. The only machine I own with a sendmail default MTA is running NeXTSTEP 3. It didn't come with the m4 macros for editing sendmail.cf - now editing *that* was a fun half hour.
I believe that most 'sane' geeks truly understand that Microsoft is a company, like any other, and performs under traditional company rules... pretty well, too.
That's the SunOS version not the Solaris version though. Solaris has been SunOS 5 + Xsun + CDE + cruft + manky stuff for ages now, but the marketing types keep hiking up the version number that appears on the box. I expect the next version will be "Solaris X"...
Hahaha!!!! An 80's Solaris zealot...that's a good one! Solaris 1 (which was still SunOS 4.1) came out in November 1990, Solaris 2 (which was the SunOS 5 we all know and "love" today - why Solaris 9 isn't called 2.9 is beyond me) in July 1992.
You seem to have been equally misled by TFA, as Fujitsu were founded in 1985. They could not have had a partnership with anyone twenty years ago. Sun, on the other hand, formed in 1982 so it's feasible that they did. But it wasn't any Fuji rep that Bechtolstein, McNealy, Joy and Khosla shook hands with, if they did.
Someone at the world-acclaimed student bogsheet the Oxford Student observed that the world was going to end because their college network isn't switched. Thankfully a far more rational person pointed out that packet switching is the least of their worries, compared with wide open pidgeon holes and dustbins. Was this weekend marking International FUD day or something?
There were two versions, one for the 4k Altair and one for the 8k Altair. The 8k one was more efficient on CPU time and came out earlier. Please, bashing MS for what they have done wrong is fine, but not for what they haven't done wrong. That smacks of zealotry.
Speaking of what they have or have not done wrong, was Altair basic "buggy, badly documented, and late"? According to the references cited above, Allen and Gates delivered on time and it worked first time. If you have citations to the contrary please share with the group...
There have been no innovations whatsoever from M$, or Sir Bill in particular
He's not Sir Bill. He has an honourary knighthood but cannot use the title Sir. And as regards the innovations; Altair BASIC, Apple/// applications, Apple Ma...</dejavu>
You remember incorrectly. Bill Gates wrote most of Altair BASIC, with the help of Paul Allen, who was busy writing an Altair emulator for the DEC PDP-10. Somesources, should you like;-).
That little freak in the IBM adverts looks more like something from The Midwych Cuckoos by John Wyndham than he does Marshal Mathers. Those adverts worry me.
What I was going to say before the post got curtailed was that if you want to be an ueber-leet Linux haxor teenager, then JDS isn't for you. If you want something that will let your cheap PCs integrate with your Solaris servers, then it is.
Something I find mildly interesting is that the reviewer couldn't get it to work. I've never had any problems with SuSE, and as he says JDS is a hacked-about SuSE.
why would Sun decide to ship JDS with kernel 2.4.19 at this stage?
Because the feature freeze was six months ago. That's how commercial UNIX works, and SUNW are traditionally a commercial UNIX company. If you want to be an über-l33t Linux h4>
Actually the SI defines the prefixes irrelevant of units used. Think of the mil ('milli-inch'); how many do you think there are in the inch? If I had a thousand cats I could refer to the set as one kilocat, and hence if I had 1024 cats I could refer to it as a kibicat, Tweety-pie style; note that a cat is not an SI metrological term. Try playing around with the units(1) command sometime; to get a feel for these SI prefixes.
Does anyone else remember making music using the Sinclair microdrives? I don't know what was up with quality assurance at Sinclair (except that Clive couldn't afford any), but the drives all ran at different speeds. So get yourself a dozen QLs (or ZX microdrives, or ICL One-Per-Desks), work out which notes they correspond to (relatively, no need for concert pitch here!) and then get programming! Starting and stopping the motors on the various machines will pump out da choons.
Non X-compliant? Hold still while I beat you around the head with a lump of clue-be-four:-) Or maybe you're thinking of MKLinux? That had X. Or possibly A/UX? That probably didn't, but then this was at a time when neither did Sun, IBM, DEC, NeXT, HP...
They don't appear to do it for client versions for UK higher education, but then we get eMacs for about GBP300 so I think they expect us to pay for the software upgrades:-)
They do for the Server editions; I'm not sure it makes so much sense for the clients but if they get enough people asking then I'm sure that they will. The fact is it's possible to get away with an earlier edition (I'm using OS X Server 1.2, Rhapsody DR2, 10.2 Jaguar and NeXTSTEP 3.3:-) but that many - not all, but a significant minority - of Mac users will upgrade at the drop of a hat. One problem is that often the newer versions aren't binary or library compatible with the old versions, so if a developer upgrades to 10.4 and forgets to click the 'GCC 2.95' box in XCode then their software won't work on previous versions:-(.
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Pretty much all of it; it's a SysVR4-derived UNIX and Sun have an in perpetuity licence from AT&T^WCaldera^WSCO^Wwhoever to use SysV technology and the UNIX mark in their software. That's use, but not do a lot else.
There are other licensing restrictions; grepping the executable scripts (or the source, if you're in higher education) for the word "Microsoft" is rather enlightening.
I'll try anything once except incest and folk dancing.
Oh? I appear to have Postfix as the default MTA on my SuSE and Darwin/BSD machines, not sendmail. The only machine I own with a sendmail default MTA is running NeXTSTEP 3. It didn't come with the m4 macros for editing sendmail.cf - now editing *that* was a fun half hour.
Results 1 - 10 of about 6,510 for microsoft antitrust "found guilty". (0.32 seconds) ... how well do they perform under traditional company rules?
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And just for a bit of levity....I'm Brian Blessed!
That's the SunOS version not the Solaris version though. Solaris has been SunOS 5 + Xsun + CDE + cruft + manky stuff for ages now, but the marketing types keep hiking up the version number that appears on the box. I expect the next version will be "Solaris X"...
Or 1985. The problem with the web rears its ugly head once more.
Hahaha!!!! An 80's Solaris zealot...that's a good one! Solaris 1 (which was still SunOS 4.1) came out in November 1990, Solaris 2 (which was the SunOS 5 we all know and "love" today - why Solaris 9 isn't called 2.9 is beyond me) in July 1992.
You seem to have been equally misled by TFA, as Fujitsu were founded in 1985. They could not have had a partnership with anyone twenty years ago. Sun, on the other hand, formed in 1982 so it's feasible that they did. But it wasn't any Fuji rep that Bechtolstein, McNealy, Joy and Khosla shook hands with, if they did.
Someone at the world-acclaimed student bogsheet the Oxford Student observed that the world was going to end because their college network isn't switched. Thankfully a far more rational person pointed out that packet switching is the least of their worries, compared with wide open pidgeon holes and dustbins. Was this weekend marking International FUD day or something?
There were two versions, one for the 4k Altair and one for the 8k Altair. The 8k one was more efficient on CPU time and came out earlier. Please, bashing MS for what they have done wrong is fine, but not for what they haven't done wrong. That smacks of zealotry.
Speaking of what they have or have not done wrong, was Altair basic "buggy, badly documented, and late"? According to the references cited above, Allen and Gates delivered on time and it worked first time. If you have citations to the contrary please share with the group...
He's not Sir Bill. He has an honourary knighthood but cannot use the title Sir. And as regards the innovations; Altair BASIC, Apple /// applications, Apple Ma...</dejavu>
You remember incorrectly. Bill Gates wrote most of Altair BASIC, with the help of Paul Allen, who was busy writing an Altair emulator for the DEC PDP-10. Some sources, should you like ;-).
So how do you debug things? I take it as given that you're definitely not a LISP fan...
Commercial BASIC interpreters, BASIC interpreters with floating-point mathematics, Apple /// applications, Apple Macintosh applications...
Nothing since then, though.
It's called the XPod, and a thorough and unbiased review is available here.
Even in the face of evidence that it helps you keep it up for longer? Your server, that is. Although.. there is help for that other affliction....
That little freak in the IBM adverts looks more like something from The Midwych Cuckoos by John Wyndham than he does Marshal Mathers. Those adverts worry me.
What I was going to say before the post got curtailed was that if you want to be an ueber-leet Linux haxor teenager, then JDS isn't for you. If you want something that will let your cheap PCs integrate with your Solaris servers, then it is.
Something I find mildly interesting is that the reviewer couldn't get it to work. I've never had any problems with SuSE, and as he says JDS is a hacked-about SuSE.
Because the feature freeze was six months ago. That's how commercial UNIX works, and SUNW are traditionally a commercial UNIX company. If you want to be an über-l33t Linux h4>
:s/System 7.5/A\/UX/ #and then I might believe you.
Actually the SI defines the prefixes irrelevant of units used. Think of the mil ('milli-inch'); how many do you think there are in the inch? If I had a thousand cats I could refer to the set as one kilocat, and hence if I had 1024 cats I could refer to it as a kibicat, Tweety-pie style; note that a cat is not an SI metrological term. Try playing around with the units(1) command sometime; to get a feel for these SI prefixes.
Does anyone else remember making music using the Sinclair microdrives? I don't know what was up with quality assurance at Sinclair (except that Clive couldn't afford any), but the drives all ran at different speeds. So get yourself a dozen QLs (or ZX microdrives, or ICL One-Per-Desks), work out which notes they correspond to (relatively, no need for concert pitch here!) and then get programming! Starting and stopping the motors on the various machines will pump out da choons.
Non X-compliant? Hold still while I beat you around the head with a lump of clue-be-four :-) Or maybe you're thinking of MKLinux? That had X. Or possibly A/UX? That probably didn't, but then this was at a time when neither did Sun, IBM, DEC, NeXT, HP...
They don't appear to do it for client versions for UK higher education, but then we get eMacs for about GBP300 so I think they expect us to pay for the software upgrades :-)
They do for the Server editions; I'm not sure it makes so much sense for the clients but if they get enough people asking then I'm sure that they will. The fact is it's possible to get away with an earlier edition (I'm using OS X Server 1.2, Rhapsody DR2, 10.2 Jaguar and NeXTSTEP 3.3 :-) but that many - not all, but a significant minority - of Mac users will upgrade at the drop of a hat. One problem is that often the newer versions aren't binary or library compatible with the old versions, so if a developer upgrades to 10.4 and forgets to click the 'GCC 2.95' box in XCode then their software won't work on previous versions :-(.