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SUSE 9.1 FTP Version Available
twener writes "The SUSE 9.1 FTP version is now available on SUSE's ftp mirrors for free installation via FTP/HTTP (installation instruction). It's almost identical to SUSE 9.1 Professional except some few packages which are missing due to licence reasons. Also don't miss "SUSE 9.1: The Complete Review" recently published by DesktopOS.com."
why is it unusable? There is a boot.iso, burn it, boot it, install from ftp. If you want to have everything on you local disc, mirror the whole tree and install then.
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btw: YaST2 is GPL now
Novell GPL-ed Yast2, so SuSE is free now. The packages that are missing from the FTP install are things like a database package and some other app. Nothing you cannot do without.
Ok then is there any concensus about which distro is the best? I realize that there are a lot of variables here but I would think that stability, support and documentation would be three big factors.
I have mod points. The reign of terror begins now.
so is it Suse, silent 'e'? Or SusEE or SusAY? or what??
And now slashdot goes and makes it a frontpage-article....
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
I did that on SuSE 9.0, downloaded the entire tree and mirrored it on one machine. It worked great! It's still not the same as downloading the .iso files, burn them and boot up. The entire tree was somewhere close to 9 gb, while the iso files are often only 3 cd's.
It does work rather well though, so if you have a fast connection and don't mind waiting a bit for it, downloading the tree is an excellent way of getting SuSE.
Anyone knows of some good public rsync mirrors allready offering SuSE-9.1?
Even before Yast2 got GPLed, they supplied the binaries with the FTP version. You can, and always have been able to, install the FTP version fine. In fact, I've been doing so with every version since SuSE 8.1. (I bought some earlier versions)
The only difference to the commercial version is that the FTP version doesn't include proprietary software that they can't redistribute via FTP for free for licensing reasons. They do have licenses for some proprietary software, such as Acrobat Reader, Opera, etc.
Know the facts before you criticise/troll.
9gb !!
ill stick with Windows and 1 cd thanks, i had no idea linux was so full of bloat
The package you get when buying SuSE is also quite impressive. I haven't bought it in a long time (SuSE 7.1), been using Slackware exclusively, but I remember getting a couple of books in addition to the 7cd's and 1 dvd. Hell, it wasn't even that expensive.
Do they still supply the books in the package?
That would explain why last week i downloaded their FTP install boot disk and was unable to get it to work.
In the meantime I've installed Slackware instead...and much more atisfied with that then I was with SuSE 8.2.
My experience so far has been that RPM-based distros like SuSE and Red Hat that attempt to simplify dependency problems with propreitary upgrade tools inevitably just end up causing me much more frustration. SuSE had NO provision for getting software other than what was in the version I'd installed(8.2) and wouldn't even install apt4rpm due to dependency hell. I've found installing and upgrading new software in Slackware a 1000x simpler than any RPM.
I will attest to Yast being a nice tool, that was easy to use, and did a pretty good job of detecting my hardware. But the complications in upgrading individual packages in a registered copy of their distro proved too frustrating to justify sticking with it.
I would only reccomend SuSE to a newbie who has no desire for messing around with things once its installed, and just wants it to work reasonably well from the beginning.
once you go slack, you never go back
In that case I propose you to create your own distro. It will certainly match all your criteria best then :-)
OMG LOLLOL LUNIX IS BIG!
Er, pardon. Anyways, it's extra software (things like office applications) and the source to those applications that makes it big. Last time I checked MS Office was 2 cds, and if you had the source that would be another 2 cds. Now imagine lots more software.
You're new around here, right?
If I had any mod points, I'd mod you funny. The flame wars between the zealots of each distro are so hot we should be using them for power. I think it may be a little while before we reach a consensus (i.e. long term on a scale where the heat death of the universe is just around the corner).
Struggling to find a day everyone can make? WhenShallWe.com
This also applies to version 9.1.
Well, I used RedHat from 5.0 thru 8.something I've used Suse 7.0 thru 9.0 Pro and Mandrake 7 thru 9.
SuSE, hands down. RedHat consistantly went down the crapper with each new version (more functionality, but more spurious errors. Gnome never did work worth a crap for me on RedHat). Mandrake is okay but same issues RedHat had, only to a much lesser degree. SuSE was great from the first time I used it, and has gotten consistently 'better' with each new release. It works without a lot of messing around -- which I don't mind, I just don't have time for it these days. SuSE is a great distro for those who don't need their hand held, but don't have all day to hack together configs and the like.
What could possibly hurt the security of the American people more than giving our own government the ability to hide its
Here is a Google mirror cache
They do, especially with the Professional Edition.
Personal Edition is a bit dumbed-down (not even kernel source packages, useless if you need proprietary video drivers!) but still has some books, which are more entry-level aimed. Pair Personal Edition with the FTP version though and you're all set.
41 comments and desktopos.com is no longer existent. Not even a 404 page... domain not found.
did anyone even check the links?
The second CD is only images, media, and the like.
One CD for the office suite, one for the operating system. Nine CDs versus Two CDs. I think we all know which is bloated.
I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to purchase the full media. For ~$90, The documentation alone is worth that. It's a bargain in itself, plus the satisfaction of supporting the community.
Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
This raises an interesting question. Can unofficial ISOs now be distributed since YaST is no longer encumbered? I remember that vendors like Cheapbytes and other CD burning houses were not able to sell SuSE as an unoffical CD since ironically enough the license on YaST forbid anyone but SuSE for charging for the software. Now with this restriction gone couldn't vendors just master there own unoffical CD's from the FTP packages. I believe that Cheapbytes has already done this with OpenBSD since they can't use his copyrighted ISO layout.
Tip! Get the IP address of the ftp server before attempting the install! DNS isn't picked up on the SuSE boot/install CD.
Omnis amans amens
"I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to..."
That sounds like an intention to plan to act.
In a free country you can certainly do that, but why mention it here?
Why not just act?
I tried to install SUSE when 9.0 came out and gave up when it wasn't done installing after 4 hours. I might have liked it who knows? I'll stick with slackware thanks.
GETPKG - Package Management for Slackware
display still wont work my my compaq m700 laptop...
mandrake does....
First off, let me say that I quite simply love SuSE, it's my favorite distribution. Furthermore, I use the packaged version, not the FTP version.
/home on its own partition, so a fresh reinstall are a piece of cake without touching my actual data.
/boot/grub/menu.lst and added acpi=off - then I edited /etc/powersave.conf and enabled user-suspend or whatever it was called. Worked like a charm.
However, my first experience with 9.1 was not impressive. I tried to update my laptop, instead of reinstalling. The result was far from good.
- The touchpad stopped working
- Sound stopped working
- Outdated daemons still started, and prevented other daemons from starting afterwards (acpid started instead of powersaved, among other things).
- And loads of general badness.
In short, it quite simply sucked.
I suspected this was do to flaky update mechanisms, which also turned out the be correct. As a good user, I have
The reinstall worked flawlessly. Most things was installed the right way, and worked as it should at once. With one exception.
That xception was that acpi was loaded instead of apm - and acpi is buggy on my laptop. I edited
In other words, I think the 'update' routine sucks, while 'install' works like a charm.
"Rune Kristian Viken" - http://www.nwo.no - arca
I second that.
I've been installing SuSE since 8.2 via FTP. I was very pleased with FTP, but like all other distros, I could not get my brand-spankin' new Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard (nVidia chipset) working correctly with my ATi Radeon 9500. It'll work, sure, but the OpenGL component is extremly slow. I want to play games on Linux, real ones like UT2k4, not the petty ones includes with most distros.
... you Anonymous Logic-Impaired moron.
... and no, MSDN & Office "updates" don't count ...
... That is no bloat.
All those other CD's are extra CD's containing tons of free software that you can use on your newly installed Linux system.
When was the last time you got 9gigs worth of free software with your operating system? No, don't answer that, I don't want to know
I've got a Linux setup that is only 1.4 megs worth of Linux, kernel, apps and libs. Everything beyond that is add-ons
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
I read this as them having a new ftp client, available on their ftp server. That would be ironic.
/^([Ss]ame [Bb]at (time, |channel.)){2}$/
Arrgh.
a ker
Why do you forget the source!!!
Which of your MS CD's include the source?
Besides, My SuSE CD Set comes with more than an Office Suite.
I've got (In no particluar order):
OpenOffice.org
Koffice
Planmaker/Textm
Gnome Office (Gnumetric, Abiword)
Scribus
That's at least 4.5 Suites, more considering all of the other office-y tools. Not even a fair comparison.
I think I need a new sig here.
Just because you don't know the GPL well.
No, they provide (somewhere in the copious documentation) links to download them yourself from SuSE.
Wha-la, source provided.
I think I need a new sig here.
I work for the Fulton school of engineering at Arizona State University. There are several hundred Linux systems here, and I support almost all of them in one way or another. I've had people try to tell me that we should be using Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, and even FreeBSD and OpenBSD. Sometimes this advice is based upon some genuine technical reason but all too often it is based upon ideology, especially where Debian is concerned. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to use a distro just because it follows the FSF/GNU flavor of political correctness. The day the unix world chooses ideology over technology is the day we are doomed.
The distributions we encourage our customers to use are Redhat/Fedora because this distro family is easy to support. Those other distros may or may not have real (technical) advantages over Redhat, but none of them scale as well as Redhat does. SuSE may scale equally well but due to Redhat's popularity we simply haven't had much call to try and work on SuSE systems. If Fedora proves to be unstable we may switch to SuSE, especially if it becomes more popular than Fedora.
The reason why we push Redhat/Fedora and not some other distro is because we don't want to have to install packages by hand or compile stuff from source all the time. Hand installs and compiles are great when you've got one system to support, but that just doesn't work when you're trying to support several hundred systems.
We have to look at what is the best solution for ALL of the systems at the same time, not just what solution would work best for one particular system.
Lee
Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
Grandparent probably didn't look before he downloaded. 9GB would give you all the packages, all the sources (big) and probably all the updates and extra packages provided on the FTP site.
sigaar
I'm no big fan of SuSE's lack of downloadable ISOs or not providing a "community" distribution like Debian, Slack, Fedora, or Mandrake do. In my opinion, this has cost SuSE "mindshare" (in marketing-speak, of course) and has prevented greater adoption among hobby and home/desktop users. "Passaround" distributions tend to be the most popular in polls and tend to curry the greatest favor, developer attention, user feedback/support, third-party additions and other generally good benefits.
However, the general reading of the old YaST license was that it was liberal enough to allow free redistribution - you just couldn't make copies of SuSE and charge for them. Of course, YaST is now/will soon be GPL, so this is academic. In that spirit, if you haven't found them, yet, Tux.org is providing torrents to SuSE 9.1 ISOs
Disgusting gay porn link!
SOO-suh
As pictured here and detailed here.Using apt4rpm I just completed a dist-upgrade. I have had a few major problems:
My overall impression of the distro so far is that it's suse 9.0, but slightly better.
This is your sig. There are thousands more, but this one is yours.
Use your favorite peer-to-peer network, don't hesitate - it's legal!
Whatever... I've tried that on three different machines (two homebuilt, one Dell) and in no case was there a usable Ethernet driver (or whatever they're called in the Linux world). Apparently if you don't have one of the 10 most common (as determined by Suse) Ethernet chips, you have to find an appropriate driver yourself.
Maybe this isn't such a big deal if you're fairly Linux savvy and have an extra machine to dick around on the internet with and you don't mind wasting time and a lot of blank CDs while trying to find the right driver, but burn, boot, install? You left out about six steps.
Bah, all I want is the installer kernel to be able to grok my SATA RAID set, without having to resort to custom boot disks, or God forbid, using Debian or Gentoo. When will a mainstream, it-just-works distro support these disk controllers?
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
And user-friendliness. With that, even Windows users can be able to use it. Take for instance, my friend Thomas can run MandrakeLinux and Lycoris like a charm.. because he's experienced with Windows, but he can't run Slackware or Debian.
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
I like.
Boot time is a little bit slower than 8.2, but that's probably because I haven't gone through at disabled all the unneeded services yet.
There was an extremely minor irritation with X not recognizing my monitor geometry, so that I got an annoying popup every time KDE started up. Still looked fine. Anyway, I set the physical dimensions in SaX, and now I'm cruising. I didn't bother to figure out whether it's a Suse problem or a KDE problem.
The only MAJOR annoyance is the way GNOME apps look in KDE. Suse has made Liquid the default theme across both desktops, and I hate the way Liquid looks. I much prefer the old GTK default style. Certain widgets still have that oversized, OSX-y 3D look that I find extremely annoying.
Anybody know how to get Gnome apps to use the correct theme when running in KDE?
hang brain.
sorry, but...
1. the word for 'sweet' is 'süß', female form 'süße', which is probably the form you're talking about. You pronounce it z-ü-s-e, and the umlaut ü is somewhere in between u and e. In SuSE, however, you have an 'u', so this pronounced like ooh. Very different indeed.
2. The letter ß translates to an unvoiced S, which is different from the two voiced S in the pronounciation of SuSE.
I would pronounce SuSE like this:
z-ooh-z-a
(with stress on first syllable and the a at the end being a very short "schwa".)
Ordered my copy on Cd's a month ago, and still have received nothing. Apparently packaging that much software is more than their organization can handle on a physical medium. Anyone else po'd that it's taking so long to receive their orders????
Brian Seppanen
Minister of Information and Propaganda
Area 54 The Secret Government Disco Labs Provo
There is a boot.iso, burn it, boot it, install from ftp.
I'm on 56k, just like most of the world still is...
If the folks over at SuSE (Novel) really want people to use their distro, they should be making ISO's of their distro.
Personally, I don't care much for SuSE. I bout he 8.0 Pro Pack when it was new. It took only about 1 day to realize that 80 bucks was among the worst ever spent on software. I couldn't even update the thing since Yast was so broke. Besides, there wasn't anything really "brought to the table" that MDK or Debian didn't have. Yast is an OK package manager (just as urpmi, apt, portage are). That's about it, though. I saw nothing that would make me think SuSE was "better" than other distros.
If they had ISO's of their CDs available, I'd get them from cheapbytes and try out their distro. As is stands now, I won't be touching it. I'll stick with Gentoo.
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
I switched to SuSE 9.0 when RedHat anounced the end of their desktop products as we'd all come to know them, and it instantly became my favorite distribution. YaST is awesome and performance was good.
So I was excited to try 9.1. I borrowed the full 9.1 Pro CD set from someone at work to try. I installed it on a couple of Pentium 4 machines with Nvidia cards. While installtion was flawless on both, the performance was terrible. X takes forever to start, KDE takes a long time to initialize, and forget starting YaST - I can go for coffe while it loads. Even installing and running Unreal Tournament 2004 was painful because of some changes SuSE made to the way they mount removable media. Starting UT2004 is slow too. Since I dual boot, slow startup times are an issue.
Before anyone says the obvious, yes - DMA is enabled and one of the systems is using fast U160 SCSI drives so there's just no excuse for the poor performance.
Since Mandrake 10.0 is available for download, I tried installing it. I was hesitant, but it installed flawlessly on my system with the SCSI drives. I'm spoiled and used to the bazillion applications that SuSE installs, but no biggie.
Mandrake 10 performance is what I expect from a P4 system : fast, responsive, snappy.
No offense to the SuSE team intended, but they need to get their act together a little better. There's just no excuse for the poor performance of SuSE in my opinion - and yes, I have just as many services running in Mandrake as SuSE.
I'll keep using Mandrake for now and try SuSE again when 9.2 comes out.
I'm sure glad I didn't pay for 9.1, I would have been really p*ssed.
"Use your favorite peer-to-peer network, don't hesitate - it's legal!"
See, it's not.
The CD layout is SuSE's, and they don't want you copying it. This is why they have the FTP install instead. If you were to create ISO's on your own, based on the FTP download, then go ahead and distribute away.
ISO images are not a GNU-given right.
I think I need a new sig here.
I've been trying to nab the goods from the FTP mirror sites since yesterday. They all disconnect me after getting from 100-200MB worth of files. I wonder if all the mirror sites are imposing some kind of per-session quota. For me the Oregon State mirror is the fastest, averaging about 1.6Mbps, but I keep having to restart my FTP client after figuring out what was the last file partially downloaded before the session got killed, and restarting the d/l list from that file onwards.
Ah, and on this 1 CD, you get the operating system, several complete office suites, several browsers, mail readers, news readers, a web server, a mail server, a news server, a database, compilers for C, C++, Fortran, Java, Ada, Pascal, Common Lisp, and the complete set of development tools for that (debugger, profiler, IDE, ...), a raytracer (Povray), several graphics programs (including Gimp), several players for sound and video, sound editing software, video editing software, a complete TeX/LaTeX-system, and in addition the sourcecode for all of that. And certainly lots of things I didn't mention.
Now you may say that you don't need all of that. True, but then you don't need to download all of those 9GB.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Anyone have a torrent for this?
(for the few who don't know, the more people downloading something via bittorrent, the faster everyone's download occurs, as it's distributed downloading, unlike ftp... which hammers the servers)
- Preferences: Solaris 10 (servers), Ubuntu (desktops), Solaris 11 (personal servers) -
I've been using various Linux distros since 1995 and I've never encountered such a buggy release!
Most of it could be blamed on KDE 3.2.1 but that IS the most common Suse window manager. Between not being able to log out without locking up the X-Server (and no, cntl+alt BS doesn't recover a console so you have to reset or log in remotely) and the DHCP client refusing to allow KDE to load I think I've effectively demonstrated why we wouldn't want to use Linux at my company. I've been trying to get management to give it a try for years and now, this one experience, will effectively negate my efforts.
I know that not using KDE or installing a later, less buggy, release is simple. But the suites don't and the fact that an install that should take 1/2 day took 3 days is all they see. What the hell happened at Suse? I've never had this kind of trouble with an install.
I'm currently a SuSE user and am looking at upgrading. I could get the upgrade version for 9.1 but there is a convenience factor for reinstalls for the full version. Anyone know if I can use the full version for upgrades? (SusE web site isn't clear on the matter)
The boot disk has lots of modules but you might have to load them by hand instead of being auto-detected. What's the problem with that? You should at least have an idea what kind of PC you are using. In any case most of the PCs are using a broadcom/realtek/3com these days. None of these can be auto-detected in the network install CD and should be manually selected (in Suse 9.0).
I, on the other hand, have to download the lot, burn it on a DVD to transfer it around and install FTP servers to provide install services locally. I would have preferred ISO images instead so that I can keep them on my CD wallet to hand out when necessary. Not all PCs have DVDs or CDs and Suse 7 to 9, floppy installation sucked.
I was a big advocate of Redhat for common usage. Fedora was a good idea but it broke far too many things, I just can't use it on my production systems anymore. Suse is the only "corporate compatible" distro out there.
I'm running Mandrake 10 offcial on my Linux Workstation these days, it is pretty impressive but once the rsync is complete, it's going to be replaced with an Suse 9.1 system.
Rolling out your own Knoppix is quite fun. I advise everyone to try it at least once.
I have an onboard intel 810 AC97 sound card. Installed SuSE 9.1 via ISO. I started with a basic install, and everything worked fine with sound. Then I went to install the rest of the packages on the 5 CD's. After this... Sound was gone. The funny thing is that the sound card is still detected and it's module is loaded. Also, the mixer works, because I can turn up the microphone and get feedback. But NO SOUND other than that.
I spent hours trying to probe sound modules, reconfigure ALSA, reload my sound card drivers, etc. to no avail.
Like a confused windows user, my last resort was to re-install the opperating system. I did so, and it worked fine, until I installed the rest of the available packages. Then: Silence.
I'm about to shit-can SuSE because of this. It's unfortunate that this OS isn't ready for your average Joe Blow computer user because of critical problems like these.
-Henry
To blog is sublime
What are these ISOs? Copies of Pro/home versions? ISOs of the FTP version? I can't find anything in the link you've provided.
I have SuSE 9.1. Yes, many packages are out there on the distro disks that I use but I have upgraded many just by using YaST to remove the SuSE package and then installed the updated package. No big deal. It is just as easy as doing an uninstall/install package in Whinedo$e. The process is just as easy as you want to make it. I can think of worse things that this...fixing a messed-up registry.
AMEN brother. Not evenyone in this world has DSL. I usually have to buy cd sets, and that's fine I don't mind paying that.
But look at FC2. I got that, installed it, and like three days after release there were already 100 MB of *updates* to do.
Same thing with Mandrake... the "official" set was out to club members for a month, then released to the public, with NO updates. nearly 200MB of *updates* to install.
The ISO sets need to include *update* CD's. the "put this disc in after a fresh install and get all the updates that are current at the time". Solaris does this. It wouldn't be hard for Linux distros to do this, why don't they?
I did that on SuSE 9.0, downloaded the entire tree and mirrored it on one machine.
Me too, but I didn't realize it was 9Gb before I started.
Is there a way to cache only the files you need? I want to install one Suse install by downloading and then have those parts of the tree cached locally. If I install another Suse using my local cache and hit a file not cached it would then proxy download it for me. I guess I would call it a demand mirror or mirror cache; is there such a thing? I asked this question in my journal but have had no responses.
Where the hell's the GUI for changing your wireless settings? Even Fedora has that. I changed it the old fashioned way through conf files and iwconfig but after all of this hype and paying my money for it, I'm a little surprised about this lacking tool.
This guy is way out there
The sound failure is due to the kdemultimedia mixer app. So when you install "all KDE" you break the sound.
Suse have posted a fix on their support page ( search under sound). I'd say its a bit of a poor show, but otherwise it seems OK.
Its poor form that they havent fixed this yet in the updates!
Setanta
"I see lots of Pengins, is that good?" "Thats good Dad, click yes."
I was looking around the SUSE site and they still give a lot of updates for prior versions. Has SUSE resisted the rapid "End-of-Life" schema that RedHat took on with the public distrobutions of RedHat?
*Thanks*.
I've seen so many people say "just use the basic iso and download via FTP" but if you have 3 or 4 machines to try it with, or you want to reinstall once in a while, it tends to get old.
Of course, if it's any good then I'll consider buying the box and it'll all be academic. But it's nice to have the choice.
I can't imagine why this was a problem even before the YaST "restriction." Why couldn't Cheapbytes or anybody else create a YaST-compatible package CDs/DVD of free software that would work with the downloadable SUSE install ISO? SUSE's install CD itself is only about 20MB which even dial-up users could download and burn, and then have a few GB extra software for use by YaST.
I don't think it would have been that hard to do. Am I missing something?
You can set up local repositories, install from packages (emerge --usepkg), etc.
FreeBSD is similar..binary updates available.
The reason WE stick with Red Hat is because of a few Red Hat fanboys that are just scared shitless of doing anything the non-Red Hat way, and because of vendor support (although that is seriously lacking these days too...damn you Dell)
If you don't download the source files then the entire FTP distro is about 4GB.
Moving on....
One, if you are doing an FTP install over a dial-up modem then it is faster if the packages are not bound up into an ISO since you're only going to download the packages you actually intend to install rather than full 650Mb+ image files for 2 or 3 files.
Two, Cheapbytes sells a copy of the SuSE LiveCD if you're that interested in trying SuSE out.
Three, you could buy the Personal edition for $30 (also sold by CheapBytes) then install whatever extras you wanted from SuSE's FTP mirrors.
We're better off going with Apple or Sun.
Why?
Red Hat happily passed the buck to Dell, who promply passed it back to Red Hat. The issue? Dual Xeon PowerEdge 2650s randomly locking up under heavy load, and/or only seeing one processor. Both Red Hat & Dell have been bouncing it back & forth between each other, and have not provided us with a solution.
This particular issue doesn't occur under Gentoo on the same hardware.
Having someone to call might make management happy, but the end result has still been the same.
We may choose SuSE now that Novell is standing behind them. Novell and IBM, actually. That says quite a lot, and we've had excellent support from IBM.
Why, when I performed an online update, did the progress bar stop at 98% when the "update complete" message appeared?
Why does it permit a two-letter root password, but insist user passwords be at least five characters?
Why does SuSE want to include Nokia phone interface software as part of a basic installation? Why does it refuse to install KDE unless I agree to have modem diallers (I have no modem), CUPS (I have no printer), and DOS file system drivers (um, hello?)?!
This is the future? Let me off, I'm going back to Slackware...
DomKore head, I'm in your bed, fizzy wizzy, in your head.
Nothing beats the White Clouds of Summer Opium.
Reagan found dead at 56, sad news, film at 11.
OK OK...
"I bought the"
Better?
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
I'll try anything once except incest and folk dancing.
Obviously, the one true religion is slackware .
It seems 9.1 needs to go back in the oven for a few more minutes. It's basically 9.0 with problems. This is revealed upon further inspecting the 9.1 box and finding the product slogan : "It may be buggy as Hell, but DAMN if we don't support the 2% of the Linux user-base who use AMD64_x86"
As always, YMMV.
"You and your third dimension."
just installed it.
xfs system makes it hang when SuSE tries to mount it for install.
After switching to reiserfs, I had to compile the kernel myself because the installer failed to install it for me.
I'm not impressed.
Grenada gained independence in 1974, 7 years before reagan took office.
Bah, all I want is the installer kernel to be able to grok my SATA RAID set, without having to resort to custom boot disks, or God forbid, using Debian or Gentoo. When will a mainstream, it-just-works distro support these disk controllers?
Linux block device support depends on which particular SATA chipset you have -- you didn't identify yours -- and on what version of installation kernel the Linux distribution uses.
Why? Because some some chipsets (3Ware 8xxx, Adaptec AAR 24x0, LSI Logic MegaRAID SATA 150-4/150-6) work just fine using drivers developed for their PATA predecessor chipsets, some chipsets require either a 2.6.x kernel or a very recent 2.4.x one, a few chipsets (such as HP SA5xxx) require some vintage of 2.6.x kernel, and some very new ones (e.g., Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SX6081, 88SX6041, and 88SX5080) don't yet have drivers.
And then there's the matter of your "RAID set": You might be referring to some SATA RAID card manufacturer's proprietary software RAID, e.g., Promise, Highpoint, VIA), which is going to (1) be basically terrible, and (2) require some god-awful proprietary, binary-only driver, which I doubt you're going to find without resorting to the "custom boot disks" you speak of. Much smarter (unless you're tied to such hideous fakeraid solutions by a need to dual-boot MS-Windows) would be blow away the array and use Linux's "md" software RAID support, which is faster, is more robust, and won't require you to buy the same host adapter a second time if the first one dies, or lose all your data.
If your "SATA RAID set" happens to be on a Silicon Image 311x host adapter, then you're (potentially) in luck, because Thomas Horsten figured out the "Medley" software RAID format and wrote a "medley" subdriver for the ataraid mid-level driver, which is available in kernel 2.4.26 and later.
I cover all of these matters on a Web page where I try to track Linux SATA support as it develops. See "Serial ATA" in my knowledgebase's hardware category.
Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com
Hi, I recently bought an AMD64 processor and am looking around for a distribution to use. So far, I've actually installed FC2 x86-64 and am looking at Mandrake 10.0 (we use 9.2 i586 at work and I use 9.2 at home already). FC2 is reasonably stable but I've had a few lockup issues, I think I have them solved but I will switch to Mandrake 10.0 if possible (assuming that it is reasonably like 9.2). I haven't heard anything from the SUSE folks about AMD64 support so what's it like?
A more logical reason behind their continuing with the FTP method over the ISO method might be bandwidth. If you have looked at what bandwidth costs, and when you think that most Linux users will never use all of the programs included in a Linux distribution, and most won't use even half, it makes sense to go the FTP rout. The software may be free, but the bandwidth to distribute that software is not even close to free, not to mention the time that companies like Novell/SuSE, Mandrake and yes even Redhat take to compile all those programs into a distrobution than from a business stand point distributing Linux in an FTP installation format make great business sense. Now I agree that not having the CD's is a real pain-in-the-butt, I go to my CD's/DVD almost daily, but if that is your only gripe with SuSE that why not take the time you spent typing out a complaint on /. and write Novell/SuSE a formal letter explaining to them the reasons why putting ISO's up for download would be a better option to the FTP method they have opted to use, if not than go back to your Fedora core and stop waisting your time and /.'s resources complaining about something that has no affect on you.
"Napalm is nature's toothpaste" - Chef Brian
RedHat anounced the end of their desktop products as we'd all come to know them
Red Hat never did that. They've always had a desktop product - after Red Hat 9, there was EL3 Workstation (if you paid for support before, you can continue now) and Fedora Core 1 (if you prefer to support things yourself, that's fine too).
I just installed it, and it is the buggiest Linux release I have used in a long, long time. I love the features, like automatic spell-checking as I type this in Konqueror, cool eye-candy stuff in KDE, Linux 2.6.4, etc, etc, but it is truly full of bugs. YaST doesn't start up the user admin module. I created a user using adduser, and that user can't log in because of some IPC bug. During installation, I installed it in just the plain old way and it gave error messages. This is truly beta-test software; it should never have made it through the release processes. I would have rather waited a couple more months for something that isn't full of bugs. I think I'm going to have to re-install it now just to figure out how to get basic stuff like adding users to work. It's a mess.
So, then, is "software" auf Deutsch pronounced "zoft-var-eh"?
"Provided by the management for your protection."
The issue with installing UT2004 on SuSE 9.1 has to do with their use of "submount". Do a Google Groups search and you'll find the workaround.
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/etc/fstab and when the system rebooted I copied the installer to my home directory and ran it from there and it had no problems getting the files from the UT-2004 DVD.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ut2004+submou
What I did was change the way my DVD-ROM drive was listed in
But I've since decided to switch to Mandrake. In Mandrake I just double-clicked the installer icon in Konqueror, entered my CD key and drank a cup of coffee. I'll miss YaST, but so far Mandrake 10 is doing everything I want, a lot faster than SuSE.
Thanks for your advice!
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After much searching on suse's support site... I found: NOTHING! But as you recommended I removed the kdemultimedia mixer. Then deleted my sond device, added it again, rebooted, then sound worked! hip hip, horay!
Unfortunately, this sucks major donkey balls. What an absolutely horrible ordeal I went through to get this problem fixed. And to think: I had to ASK SLASHDOT to find the real solution.
No, Linux is not ready for average users yet. At least not SuSE linux. It's got a LONG way to go.
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