"Okay, so you installed an ancient version of Linux and you had to upgrade it to get modern programs to work? No fucking shit."
Actually, when I first ran into this, the distro of Linux was only a year old. Lame. You can't in all honesty tell me that something isn't seriously broken with Linux if it can't have at least a little forward compatbility.
"If I install Win95, iTunes isn't going to run. Gee Windows sucks. Cry, cry, cry."
Nice try. Think about what you just said and tell me why I could only laugh at it, especially after punctuating it by calling me a moron.
Sorry I pointed out an area where Windows has Linux beat. I didn't mean to get you so uppity.
"There are gadgets out there that already do what these features, and do them better than the cell phones could ever hope to achieve at a reasonable price."
In a bit of a time crunch here, so sorry for not R'ing T F'n A. I just liked this headline. It put a picture in my mind like "Since the idea is to slow down piracy, we'll pre-emptively pass the savings on to you."
Can't comment on this particular article but I do wish that companies who do put in restrictive changes would consider lowering the price in order to make up for the cost of hte inconvenience. XP's licensing change, for example, would have been a lot easier to swallow. Instead, they (meaning everybody, not just MS)continue to claim piracy losses even though they've really tightened it down.
"Can we have universal access and better content first please?"
Yeah because the people laying the fibre and developing the new systems are EXACTLY the people who should be making content available. This would be a lot more insightful w/o the 'first' bit. These people aren't Villagers or SCV's.
"The difference is that Linux people can make a logical arguement, Microsoft salesmen can only make up big lies and format them so stupid people who've been conditoned through schools accept it."
Oh please. The Linux people are just as guilty of making up lies. Don't believe me? Go look at any MS thread. It's always negative. There are always comments modded up containing the phrase "RTFA!". There's always a +5 funny about how nobody'll give MS credit for anything. The Linux zealots often call anybody who 'defends' MS a shill. Nobody stays up to date on their anti-MS comments, either. They still attribute Windows 95 problems to XP.
Spare us the 'holier than thou' attitude. MS may make questionable comments about MS, that doesn't excuse you guys to act like trolling turds. With behaviour like that, lots of ppl nod their heads when linux is described as a toy. The way it works around here, using Linux automatically makes you 'cool'. In the distant second place, it's a useful reliable tool.
"What exactly was your point? You don't update your software and you're complaining?'
My point was that with Windows, you wouldn't have to install a Service pack or anything else JUST to get software running.
"Your "joke" made absolutely no sense. Please STFU unless you have something intelligent to say."
It makes perfect sense. Linux has its annoyances, too. Just redistributed elsewhere. "Oh look, I'm happy with this one aspect of Linux if I use Debian.
"Most notable incompatibility on the list Windows XP"
Giggle giggle, snort snort. Now install an older copy of Linux (like Redhat 7.3) and then try to install something relatively new like Cinepaint. When you're done getting all the new libraries and stuff, come back and tell me how yuck yuck funny that joke is.
" How would this possibly be the fault of the DVD player software if it stopped working "after" the SP2 install and not before?"
Maybe the software only works in SP1 because there was a flaw in it. You can sit there and shake your head if you like, but I actually have a DVD that will not play on my computer because it doesn't have Macrovision. I agree it's more likely that MS just broke something, but in this silly case (TV out?!) I wouldn't rule out Macrovision silliness.
"Are you an MS shill or something?"
Don't be an ass. Somebody should amend Godwin's law to include calling somebody a shill.
"However if a part on your computer breaks, you can generally replace it easily. Try doing that on a console... (I know you can order parts such as optical drives or power supplies, but you can't just walk into your local CompUSA or Best Buy and pick these items up)"
Heh for the cost of most PC replacement parts, you can replace the console.;)
" If you own a phone now, and keep signing contracts every year or two, then you are showing them that it doesn't MATTER if call quality sucks, people will still sign on the dotted line."
Or maybe you're showing them that the call quality is acceptable. Not everybody has a bad story to tell, obviously.
"How about the "save my voicemails for archival purposes" that the grandparent post mentioned. Old tape-based answering machines did this. Seems a new one could easily upload a.mp3 to a computer in the same way they do it with videos."
Thanks to some of the general-purposeness of cell phones, you can do that. The Nokia 3650 allows you to record phone convos and save them to a file.
"This is so much more silly because I already have a digital camera that takes better pictures than the phone."
How come nobody understands the point of putting a camera in a phone? It's been well over a year since these started appearing, and nobody still fricken gets it. A low quality camera is much better than no camera at all. I happen to know for a fact that you do not carry your digital camera around every single moment of the day that you have your phone on you. I apologize for sounding frustrated here, it's not at you specifically. I just can't believe that nobody understands the value of having a basic camera around at all times. I've got some great photos of my nephew being silly while we went out to eat. Yeah, they're 640 by 480, and they're a lil blurry, but I would not have gotten them AT ALL with my multi mega pixel utterly superior digital camera that's sitting in its case back at home.
"Convergence usually is successful if its the result of a natural evolution of a product. I don't think that marketers can force convergence on its audience...especially when its marked up substantially."
Said the guy using a $3,000+ computer that does email, porn, games, video, Slashdot, and music.
"Why do they keep adding crap like virus-ridden operating systems and video games..."
Ok: Everybody that's gotten a virus through their phone, raise their hand. Nobody? Ok. Anybody that's played games on their phone, raise their hands. Hmm quite a few.
"when they don't even have the basic voice features working yet."
Uh, yeah they do. Been working great since 97.
Make a call: Check. Recieve a call: Check. Save phone numbers into a phone book: Check. Recieve voice mail: Check. Voice Mail indicator: Check. Caller ID: Check. Decent rate plans: Check. No roaming or long distance charges: Check. Pretty darned good coverage across the country: Check.
I have no clue when it became so fucking fashionable to complain about cell phones here. There are a lot of people these days that don't even have a landline because their cell phone handles the job just fine. So spare us al the "basic voice features" karma-whoring line. Every single story that mentions cell phones has one of these comments modded up, even though it's so obviously wrong.
"The computers, no matter how massive the computational power available to them is, aren't going to spontaneously "wake up" (what the hell is he talking about there?) and develop consciousness - humans developed consciousness because brains evolved via very complex evolutionary mechanisms over millenia - mechanisms that computers don't exhibit or use."
I don't think that is strong rationale, nor do I think anybody on this planet today has the information to say matter-of-factly whether or not that can or cannot happen. If computers start taking data and making their on interpretation of the ramifications of that data, how do we know a basic form of consciencenous (sp?) won't emerge? How do we know Google isn't the start of that type of change? Some will say its possible, some will say it's not, the answer to that question won't come until the day an artificial being says "I am".
"It is typical of spoiled first-worlders to talk as if no other people exist"
'First Worlders' are a significant portion of the population. It's not surprising that a comment would be made about them without including the 3rd worlders out there. It'd take too long to express a thought if every single person on the planet were included.
" and to think that incremental improvements on their quality of life are great cultural revolutiona."
Why not? Why aren't video editing facilities a cultural revolution? Go back a couple of hundred years. Find visual reference to what life was like. After that, go ahead a hundred years and do a little research on what the 21st century was like. Don't you realize that historians in future centuries will have a big whopping idea of what life was like? They'll have access to the music we listened to, videos us individuals have made, and words we have written from sites like livejournal.com? Just because 'other world' people weren't included, doesn't mean a MASSIVE amount of information isn't still going to be available and revolutionary.
Honestly, I have no idea why you couldn't have used a little imagination before engaging your argument circuit.
"This is massively different. How large is a photo collection, straight from the camera with 4 megapixels, saved as lossless.png?
Very little. Probably a few megabytes."
What? I have a substantial photo collection, all in JPEG, that's 4 gigabytes right now. And you don't even want to know how much space the video clips take up!
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"Okay, so you installed an ancient version of Linux and you had to upgrade it to get modern programs to work? No fucking shit."
Actually, when I first ran into this, the distro of Linux was only a year old. Lame. You can't in all honesty tell me that something isn't seriously broken with Linux if it can't have at least a little forward compatbility.
"If I install Win95, iTunes isn't going to run. Gee Windows sucks. Cry, cry, cry."
Nice try. Think about what you just said and tell me why I could only laugh at it, especially after punctuating it by calling me a moron.
Sorry I pointed out an area where Windows has Linux beat. I didn't mean to get you so uppity.
"It didn't make sense."
It made perfect sense, especially to those that have run into it.
"You just like to whine on slashdot."
Heh. Yeah yeah. That hurts so much coming from somebody who set me as foe just to defend their precious Linux.
"Hopefully someone will modbomb you and you'll go away."
Heh. That does't make sense. You can't mod-bomb somebody off of Slashdot. In most cases, you can't even cause any significant damage.
I'm sorry I voiced a legitimate complaint, didn't mean to upset you. I'm not leaving Slashdot over it, though.
"There are gadgets out there that already do what these features, and do them better than the cell phones could ever hope to achieve at a reasonable price."
At only 4x the pocket space!
"Real Cuts Prices for DRM-Restricted Music"
In a bit of a time crunch here, so sorry for not R'ing T F'n A. I just liked this headline. It put a picture in my mind like "Since the idea is to slow down piracy, we'll pre-emptively pass the savings on to you."
Can't comment on this particular article but I do wish that companies who do put in restrictive changes would consider lowering the price in order to make up for the cost of hte inconvenience. XP's licensing change, for example, would have been a lot easier to swallow. Instead, they (meaning everybody, not just MS)continue to claim piracy losses even though they've really tightened it down.
"Can we have universal access and better content first please?"
Yeah because the people laying the fibre and developing the new systems are EXACTLY the people who should be making content available. This would be a lot more insightful w/o the 'first' bit. These people aren't Villagers or SCV's.
"The difference is that Linux people can make a logical arguement, Microsoft salesmen can only make up big lies and format them so stupid people who've been conditoned through schools accept it."
Oh please. The Linux people are just as guilty of making up lies. Don't believe me? Go look at any MS thread. It's always negative. There are always comments modded up containing the phrase "RTFA!". There's always a +5 funny about how nobody'll give MS credit for anything. The Linux zealots often call anybody who 'defends' MS a shill. Nobody stays up to date on their anti-MS comments, either. They still attribute Windows 95 problems to XP.
Spare us the 'holier than thou' attitude. MS may make questionable comments about MS, that doesn't excuse you guys to act like trolling turds. With behaviour like that, lots of ppl nod their heads when linux is described as a toy. The way it works around here, using Linux automatically makes you 'cool'. In the distant second place, it's a useful reliable tool.
" Why is that "professional" whereas Slashdots images are not?"
Nobody said it was. You're only kidding yourself if you think the borg icon is on the same level. Half-truth beats science fiction.
"Microsoft calls Linux "a toy". Why isn't that immature?"
That's less mature than personal attacks against Gates himslef?
"Yeah, and apparently Doom 3 doesn't run all that well on Windows 3.11. What are you trying to get at here?"
;)
Heh you had to go back a decade to provide a rebuttal to my point?
"What exactly was your point? You don't update your software and you're complaining?'
My point was that with Windows, you wouldn't have to install a Service pack or anything else JUST to get software running.
"Your "joke" made absolutely no sense. Please STFU unless you have something intelligent to say."
It makes perfect sense. Linux has its annoyances, too. Just redistributed elsewhere. "Oh look, I'm happy with this one aspect of Linux if I use Debian.
"Most notable incompatibility on the list Windows XP"
Giggle giggle, snort snort. Now install an older copy of Linux (like Redhat 7.3) and then try to install something relatively new like Cinepaint. When you're done getting all the new libraries and stuff, come back and tell me how yuck yuck funny that joke is.
"Parent poster embarasses himself and does not understand that "admin" != "root" on a macintosh.'
Anonymous Coward wins. Fatality.
" How would this possibly be the fault of the DVD player software if it stopped working "after" the SP2 install and not before?"
Maybe the software only works in SP1 because there was a flaw in it. You can sit there and shake your head if you like, but I actually have a DVD that will not play on my computer because it doesn't have Macrovision. I agree it's more likely that MS just broke something, but in this silly case (TV out?!) I wouldn't rule out Macrovision silliness.
"Are you an MS shill or something?"
Don't be an ass. Somebody should amend Godwin's law to include calling somebody a shill.
"However if a part on your computer breaks, you can generally replace it easily. Try doing that on a console... (I know you can order parts such as optical drives or power supplies, but you can't just walk into your local CompUSA or Best Buy and pick these items up)"
;)
Heh for the cost of most PC replacement parts, you can replace the console.
I should warn you that it's not the most direct thing in the world to do. YMMV.
" If you own a phone now, and keep signing contracts every year or two, then you are showing them that it doesn't MATTER if call quality sucks, people will still sign on the dotted line."
Or maybe you're showing them that the call quality is acceptable. Not everybody has a bad story to tell, obviously.
"How about the "save my voicemails for archival purposes" that the grandparent post mentioned. Old tape-based answering machines did this. Seems a new one could easily upload a .mp3 to a computer in the same way they do it with videos."
Thanks to some of the general-purposeness of cell phones, you can do that. The Nokia 3650 allows you to record phone convos and save them to a file.
"This is so much more silly because I already have a digital camera that takes better pictures than the phone."
How come nobody understands the point of putting a camera in a phone? It's been well over a year since these started appearing, and nobody still fricken gets it. A low quality camera is much better than no camera at all. I happen to know for a fact that you do not carry your digital camera around every single moment of the day that you have your phone on you. I apologize for sounding frustrated here, it's not at you specifically. I just can't believe that nobody understands the value of having a basic camera around at all times. I've got some great photos of my nephew being silly while we went out to eat. Yeah, they're 640 by 480, and they're a lil blurry, but I would not have gotten them AT ALL with my multi mega pixel utterly superior digital camera that's sitting in its case back at home.
"Convergence usually is successful if its the result of a natural evolution of a product. I don't think that marketers can force convergence on its audience...especially when its marked up substantially."
Said the guy using a $3,000+ computer that does email, porn, games, video, Slashdot, and music.
"Why do they keep adding crap like virus-ridden operating systems and video games..."
Ok: Everybody that's gotten a virus through their phone, raise their hand. Nobody? Ok. Anybody that's played games on their phone, raise their hands. Hmm quite a few.
"when they don't even have the basic voice features working yet."
Uh, yeah they do. Been working great since 97.
Make a call: Check.
Recieve a call: Check.
Save phone numbers into a phone book: Check.
Recieve voice mail: Check.
Voice Mail indicator: Check.
Caller ID: Check.
Decent rate plans: Check.
No roaming or long distance charges: Check.
Pretty darned good coverage across the country: Check.
I have no clue when it became so fucking fashionable to complain about cell phones here. There are a lot of people these days that don't even have a landline because their cell phone handles the job just fine. So spare us al the "basic voice features" karma-whoring line. Every single story that mentions cell phones has one of these comments modded up, even though it's so obviously wrong.
"Why the hell would we stuff this onto the IDE interface? This would be a great opportunity to drop that interface entirely."
Wouldn't it be cool if desktops had PCMCIA slots?
Oops, nobody saw the humor in my post there.
"The computers, no matter how massive the computational power available to them is, aren't going to spontaneously "wake up" (what the hell is he talking about there?) and develop consciousness - humans developed consciousness because brains evolved via very complex evolutionary mechanisms over millenia - mechanisms that computers don't exhibit or use."
I don't think that is strong rationale, nor do I think anybody on this planet today has the information to say matter-of-factly whether or not that can or cannot happen. If computers start taking data and making their on interpretation of the ramifications of that data, how do we know a basic form of consciencenous (sp?) won't emerge? How do we know Google isn't the start of that type of change? Some will say its possible, some will say it's not, the answer to that question won't come until the day an artificial being says "I am".
"It is typical of spoiled first-worlders to talk as if no other people exist"
'First Worlders' are a significant portion of the population. It's not surprising that a comment would be made about them without including the 3rd worlders out there. It'd take too long to express a thought if every single person on the planet were included.
" and to think that incremental improvements on their quality of life are great cultural revolutiona."
Why not? Why aren't video editing facilities a cultural revolution? Go back a couple of hundred years. Find visual reference to what life was like. After that, go ahead a hundred years and do a little research on what the 21st century was like. Don't you realize that historians in future centuries will have a big whopping idea of what life was like? They'll have access to the music we listened to, videos us individuals have made, and words we have written from sites like livejournal.com? Just because 'other world' people weren't included, doesn't mean a MASSIVE amount of information isn't still going to be available and revolutionary.
Honestly, I have no idea why you couldn't have used a little imagination before engaging your argument circuit.
No, Maxstor is right. They store volumetric molecular data.
"This is massively different. How large is a photo collection, straight from the camera with 4 megapixels, saved as lossless .png?
Very little. Probably a few megabytes."
What? I have a substantial photo collection, all in JPEG, that's 4 gigabytes right now. And you don't even want to know how much space the video clips take up!