"There already exist enough translators to move models bewteen packages."
Dontcha think that if translators were enough, I'd be whinging? There are a number of problems with translators, the big one being 'new stuff always comes along'.
If there were one grande unified equal-opportunity format, then new versions of translators wouldn't need to come out every time there's a version update to your software.
"What we need are several "standard" deformation routines and bone standards and various motion formats"
I don't think we need this. Each 'bone deformation routine' has it's plusses and minuses. I wanna be able to build a model in Lightwave and import it into Maya, then use Maya's bones systems to animate it. If all the packages worked alike, there'd be no point in having one, or the other, or even both.
Yep, you Linux zealots are so 'in the real world'. It's cool how installing a niche OS can up your status with people. That's great cos I can't afford an SUV.
a.) When did Disney fail with cartoon mice? (never heard of that...)
b.) Why are you asking me? I'm not the one filing suit here. I think the whole thing's stupid. I think Mozilla's stupid for expecting this, and I think the TM holder of Godzilla's stupid for pursuing it.
"Maybe the reason there's very little 3D content on the web is because there's no need?"
I'm a 3D guy. I make 3D models. I hate using any software but Lightwave. This isn't a religious choice, it's a matter of learning curve. Even though fundamentally, all 3D Apps work pretty much the same, they have very different paradigms (god I cant believe I actually used that word) to learn in order to be effective in them. To me, the idea of learning a brand-new 3D app just to make fancy 3D widgets in a web page is not exciting.
Give me a plug-in that accurately spits out Lightwave content into their format (i.e. I shouldn't have to tweak it after the fact!) and I'll be happy to generate content. Until then... Well JPEG's and.AVI's are good enough.
No, you have two names that sound alike, and two logos/images that have a similarity. You can't look at Mozilla's name, then Mozilla's logo, then not think of Godzilla. I think it's ridiculous that the owners of the Godzilla trademark think that Mozilla's gonna do any damage to the value of it, but if I squint really hard I can see why they'd go on the offensive. If somebody makes a trademark like yours, and you do nothing to stop them, then it's that much easier for somebody else to come along and snag it.
The problem with trademarks in the United States is that they force you to take offensive action any time you think you're in danger. If you don't, it's percieved as 'permission'. I am not kidding. This is why Disney and Paramount are so 'evil' about protecting their property. If I draw Mickey Mouse on my shirt, then soembody else gets inspired to make Mickey Mouse shirts, Disney has to sue me first before they can sue the next guy.
The internet presents a new problem: The little guy can have trademarks, but he/she cannot afford to sue anybody. I hope the Gov't figures this out one day and reworks the TM system a bit.
... they need to make a 3D format that works across all 3D rendering packages. As it is, you can't go from Lightwave to 3D Studio MAX (or vice-versa) without having to make huge tweaks or changes to make it work. The most infuriating thing is that fundamentally, they aren't that different from each other. If somebody would come up with an 'esperanto' file format that anybody can support, then it's worth buying multiple 3d packages as opposed to sticking with just one.
When that happens, then 3D artists will be able to use the 3D Package they are comfy with to generate 3d art for the web. Until then, nobody's going to convince me to use some other toolset I'm not familiar with just to support a gimmick.
As stated before, 3D on the web is not a big screaming deal.
"This would be roughly equivalent to the owners of the Chef Boyardee trademark claiming ownership of "Chef" when used in conjunction with any food product:P"
No, it'd be the equivalent of calling yourself "Chef MoArdee" and your logo look like Colonel Sanders with a Chef's hat.
I'm not saying I agree with the suit, but I do think I understand it. The Mozilla team made a huge mistake by calling it Mozilla and giving it an 'overgrown lizard' look to it. They could have gotten away with either/or, but few people would look at it and not recognize the Godzilla reference.
Again, not saying I support it, just saying that they really could have used a little more common sense. The only defense they have is that they're not making badly dubbed movies.
Where does 'destroying it' come into play? If it's scratched it's just damaged, not destroyed. Im not defending MS's EULA, we all know it's slimey, but for all practical purposes you're fine.
"If you have one copy of the media in both cases you can't get it to work...in both cases. "
Yeah, but at work I have multiple copies of both RedHat and Windows to use. I'm already equipped, I shouldn't have to burn a few hours because RedHat has a shitty installer.
"Comparing the two OS installs under the case that the install media is broken is rather silly"
Comparing the two installs is silly PERIOD. RedHat is not a Windows clone. It's a totally different animal. It's gonna work a totally different way. Frankly, I think this article was a thinly veiled attempt to get some Slashdot publicity. Had the benchmark gone in Windows' favor, this article wouldn't have made it.
Umm did you read that whole setence? You definitely didn't paste the complete sentence. I didn't say that 'its worthless on a laptop', I said it's a problem if you install it on a laptop and the DVD player doesn't work. (Not implying that's the case, just using that as a hypothetical example.) The point I was making was that RedHat is only as good as it is useful. Windows is only as good as it is useful. Mac is only as good as it is useful. Pick one that suits you.
Wow! Mod parent up. It's not a popularity contest. Use your computer for what you use it for, and pick the best tools for it. That means some of you don't need to be Linus Witnesses and go door to door trying to get people to convert.
"If you take that metaphor you also get the flip side - that Windows users prefer a comfortable illusion to experiencing reality"
Why? Because life is better in the 'illusion'? They're with nearly everybody else over there? The Earth was basically destroyed, and the Matrix was the best place for them to live. You're telling me I should take the red pill so I can wake up and fight machines on the off chance that they'll be defeated and I can rebuild a devastated planet. Yeah. Right.
For all practical purposes, the people inside the Matrix are in a better place.
Well, if all of the people are in the 'fake happy world', then there's little point in being outside of it. If you take the red pill and suddenly 'awaken to the truth', then you also find that machines are no longer your friends. Sorry, I like getting along with my computer.
That was definitely a brilliant metaphor for Linux.
Slashdot Mirror
Heh. :)
I have a totally OT question for you:
Is your nickname Doctor Who related by chance?
"no - that would be testicle feedback"
Seems to me the glove'd get in the way for that.
So now Linux is supporting the Power Glove. At this rate, I expect we'll see lightpen support by the end of next year. Heh.
"There already exist enough translators to move models bewteen packages."
Dontcha think that if translators were enough, I'd be whinging? There are a number of problems with translators, the big one being 'new stuff always comes along'.
If there were one grande unified equal-opportunity format, then new versions of translators wouldn't need to come out every time there's a version update to your software.
"What we need are several "standard" deformation routines and bone standards and various motion formats"
I don't think we need this. Each 'bone deformation routine' has it's plusses and minuses. I wanna be able to build a model in Lightwave and import it into Maya, then use Maya's bones systems to animate it. If all the packages worked alike, there'd be no point in having one, or the other, or even both.
The sad thing is that you're getting sad over a silly debate. Heh.
Yep, you Linux zealots are so 'in the real world'. It's cool how installing a niche OS can up your status with people. That's great cos I can't afford an SUV.
"I'd like to further generalise it to "I think you're all stupid"
You're mighty brave in cyberspace, flame boy. I can see why you chose to remain anymous.
I should get a +1 Funny comment for successfully quoting Wally from Dilbert. Heh.
a.) When did Disney fail with cartoon mice? (never heard of that...)
b.) Why are you asking me? I'm not the one filing suit here. I think the whole thing's stupid. I think Mozilla's stupid for expecting this, and I think the TM holder of Godzilla's stupid for pursuing it.
Thanks for the lead! Never heard of them before. =)
Those are good starting places, but you're
forgetting this logo:
Mozilla's Splash Page.
"Maybe the reason there's very little 3D content on the web is because there's no need?"
.AVI's are good enough.
I'm a 3D guy. I make 3D models. I hate using any software but Lightwave. This isn't a religious choice, it's a matter of learning curve. Even though fundamentally, all 3D Apps work pretty much the same, they have very different paradigms (god I cant believe I actually used that word) to learn in order to be effective in them. To me, the idea of learning a brand-new 3D app just to make fancy 3D widgets in a web page is not exciting.
Give me a plug-in that accurately spits out Lightwave content into their format (i.e. I shouldn't have to tweak it after the fact!) and I'll be happy to generate content. Until then... Well JPEG's and
No, you have two names that sound alike, and two logos/images that have a similarity. You can't look at Mozilla's name, then Mozilla's logo, then not think of Godzilla. I think it's ridiculous that the owners of the Godzilla trademark think that Mozilla's gonna do any damage to the value of it, but if I squint really hard I can see why they'd go on the offensive. If somebody makes a trademark like yours, and you do nothing to stop them, then it's that much easier for somebody else to come along and snag it.
The problem with trademarks in the United States is that they force you to take offensive action any time you think you're in danger. If you don't, it's percieved as 'permission'. I am not kidding. This is why Disney and Paramount are so 'evil' about protecting their property. If I draw Mickey Mouse on my shirt, then soembody else gets inspired to make Mickey Mouse shirts, Disney has to sue me first before they can sue the next guy.
The internet presents a new problem: The little guy can have trademarks, but he/she cannot afford to sue anybody. I hope the Gov't figures this out one day and reworks the TM system a bit.
... they need to make a 3D format that works across all 3D rendering packages. As it is, you can't go from Lightwave to 3D Studio MAX (or vice-versa) without having to make huge tweaks or changes to make it work. The most infuriating thing is that fundamentally, they aren't that different from each other. If somebody would come up with an 'esperanto' file format that anybody can support, then it's worth buying multiple 3d packages as opposed to sticking with just one.
When that happens, then 3D artists will be able to use the 3D Package they are comfy with to generate 3d art for the web. Until then, nobody's going to convince me to use some other toolset I'm not familiar with just to support a gimmick.
As stated before, 3D on the web is not a big screaming deal.
"I guess its better then nuclear escalation with Pakistan..."
For a while, I thought India was gonna launch Pakistan to the moon.
"This would be roughly equivalent to the owners of the Chef Boyardee trademark claiming ownership of "Chef" when used in conjunction with any food product:P"
No, it'd be the equivalent of calling yourself "Chef MoArdee" and your logo look like Colonel Sanders with a Chef's hat.
I'm not saying I agree with the suit, but I do think I understand it. The Mozilla team made a huge mistake by calling it Mozilla and giving it an 'overgrown lizard' look to it. They could have gotten away with either/or, but few people would look at it and not recognize the Godzilla reference.
Again, not saying I support it, just saying that they really could have used a little more common sense. The only defense they have is that they're not making badly dubbed movies.
Where does 'destroying it' come into play? If it's scratched it's just damaged, not destroyed. Im not defending MS's EULA, we all know it's slimey, but for all practical purposes you're fine.
"Then what's this in the EULA? "You may terminate this License at any time by destroying all copies of the Software."
Sorry, don't see the relevance.
"And where do you get that different disk?"
I have several laying around. Also, some of us are smart enough to make backups of our software. My company uses Windows 2000.
Worst case scenario is I borrow a friend's. As long as I have the original CD (working or not) to prove I have a copy, I'm not doing anything wrong.
"If you have one copy of the media in both cases you can't get it to work...in both cases. "
Yeah, but at work I have multiple copies of both RedHat and Windows to use. I'm already equipped, I shouldn't have to burn a few hours because RedHat has a shitty installer.
"Comparing the two OS installs under the case that the install media is broken is rather silly"
Comparing the two installs is silly PERIOD. RedHat is not a Windows clone. It's a totally different animal. It's gonna work a totally different way. Frankly, I think this article was a thinly veiled attempt to get some Slashdot publicity. Had the benchmark gone in Windows' favor, this article wouldn't have made it.
Umm did you read that whole setence? You definitely didn't paste the complete sentence. I didn't say that 'its worthless on a laptop', I said it's a problem if you install it on a laptop and the DVD player doesn't work. (Not implying that's the case, just using that as a hypothetical example.) The point I was making was that RedHat is only as good as it is useful. Windows is only as good as it is useful. Mac is only as good as it is useful. Pick one that suits you.
Wow! Mod parent up. It's not a popularity contest. Use your computer for what you use it for, and pick the best tools for it. That means some of you don't need to be Linus Witnesses and go door to door trying to get people to convert.
"If you take that metaphor you also get the flip side - that Windows users prefer a comfortable illusion to experiencing reality"
Why? Because life is better in the 'illusion'? They're with nearly everybody else over there? The Earth was basically destroyed, and the Matrix was the best place for them to live. You're telling me I should take the red pill so I can wake up and fight machines on the off chance that they'll be defeated and I can rebuild a devastated planet. Yeah. Right.
For all practical purposes, the people inside the Matrix are in a better place.
Well, if all of the people are in the 'fake happy world', then there's little point in being outside of it. If you take the red pill and suddenly 'awaken to the truth', then you also find that machines are no longer your friends. Sorry, I like getting along with my computer.
That was definitely a brilliant metaphor for Linux.
Yeah I see your point. Switch to Linux, end up living in a world that's inhospitable to humans. Heh. Good metaphor!
"What's the difference between windows and Linux? I don't have to disable a hard drive in the BIOS to boot Linux."
Sounds more like the difference between your computer and one that's set up properly to me.