I suppose it's not a bad thing if you happen to be one of the free-loaders getting money you don't deserve.
Which particular voucher program are you talking about.
The fact is that most voucher systems will be aimed at middle class targeted government services. The poor aren't trusted to make such decisions; look at all the complaints about them spending food stamps on cigarettes and liquor.
There are problems with the practical aspects of vouchers but the theory is that they lead to more efficient services and more empowered recipients.
Of course if you believe that 'all' government expenditure is spending stolen money then none of this makes sense but lets assume for the purposes of the argument that governments do exist and do provide public services such as education and targeted training initiatives.
So for example, if my kids are receiving an education (is that free loading?) and the cost to the government is $5,000 per child the Government gives me a voucher for $5,000 worth of education that I can use at any school that will accept it. Most schools wouldn't see any change but some parents would say, I'd rather my kids went to School B not A so send them to B. If enough did that School A might ask itself why kids aren't staying there and do something to make iteself more attractive.
Same with for example, training grants to apprentices or retraining of long term unemployed. Again, is that free loading?
Anyone who can produce a sound that sufficient numbers of people like 'deserves' to be able to make some money out of it and if enough people like it, a living, and if millions like it become rich.
The fact is I am prepared to pay someone $1 because I like a record and I don't care if 10 , 100,000 or 10,000,000 people do the same. I'm paying for what I enjoy.
Contrary to your 'kneejerk reaction' comment, you have stated quite strongly elsewhere that you don't respect 'artists' who perform music that was written by someone else.
I think one can be too much of a purist. Most of us would get rather sick of singer/songwriters sitting on stage by themselves as entertainment so we are prepared to accept a recording of the Berlin Philharmonic playing Wagner as a perfectly valid musical artistic experience that we are willing to pay for. Even if they aren't 'hot'. There is as much art in that as there is in most performances by 'original' artists.
In any case, without advertising and marketing how the hell do you know who writes the stuff.
even more still will see no more than 250,000 sold.
I don't know for sure but I think the average is like less than 20,000 copies (and so loses money). If the average CD sold 250,000 copies we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If the movie was any good it would have made a reasonable profit in theatres and the DVD should be able to be released at $3.00 a copy 18 months later. Anything else is a rip off. At least CDs have a production cost to recoup. DVDs have recouped by the time they are released.
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Since 1987, 1 soundtrack, 4 george harrison records and re-releases of classic beatles albums.
Just yesterday I went to the record store for the first time in 20 years and asked for the latest Apple Music release cause I know Apple Music always release great music.
And they sold me a fusking computer. When did the Beatles start making computers?
It's worse than that. They want guarantees that their members are not at risk from terrorists.
No one will lose their job. Bureaucrats are good at setting it up so that everyone is doing their job perfectly well and can only be complemented on their good work even though everything is fucked up beyond belief.
How mwny american civil servants lost their jobs because of 9/11 (except the ones who actually tried to warn people). So why would a little mainframe theft lead to dismissal.
I'm surprised a meteorologist can get through a degree and on the job training and after all that be surprised just how much water there is in a hurricane.
I wonder if she has ever considered just how hot is the sun. Wow, its hotter than all the space heaters that have ever been made turned on in the drying closet and you locked in for the whole weekend with only a bottle of soda and some salt crackers. Although by saturday night it would feel pretty much the same.
Courts will support claims for consequencial damages when the damage is a direct and foreseeable consequence of the failure of the warranted thing. So a manufacturer may be liable for damage caused by say an electrical part that is faulty and arcs and causues a fire that damages a building.
A washing machine maker might be safe from floor claims because you are expected to use the equipment in a setting that is suitable for it and it is reasonable to expect the floor around a washing machine to get wet, even very wet so you wouldn't put it on a floor that is damaged by water, even lots of water.
Few ads make claims that are lies. Claims are either
accurate but useless (shown in clinical tests to contain the active ingredient X, i saw this one the other day, I'm not kidding, they made no claims about the effectiveness of the stuff, just claimed that clinical tests showed the stuff contained one of the ingredients)
or
subjective as all hell (any adjective incl best, fastest, biggest, or claim to surveys, used by more popular cheerleaders than any other brand of laxative)
If you can show they lied you can make big money. If they do lie then they won't have much money in the first place.
Lies by omission are a little different but even in ads there is no law that says you have to be exhaustive, just don't actively lie.
Wedding rings are not usually jewelled. Engagement rings are but not wedding rings. At least that is what I convinced my spouse.
No really, we didn't get an engagement ring cause we couldn't afford it and she really wasn't interested. Never been a big jewellery type. I am a lucky man I know.
We did get wedding bands in Bali on our pre honeymoon for the price of the gold that day on the Singapore metal exchange plus $25 labour. It being Indonesia I suspect there were a lot of filings swept up from that job but all in all we got them about 40% of the retail Australia price. And they checked out as to purity.
I sure wish I could find them now.
In the long run it doesn't matter. Spouse is more attached to her grandmothers engagement ring for sentimental reasons than any thing I gave her.
You are correct of course. My mistake was to assume that customers would be happy to buy at 'just less than retail' price when in fact on ebay their alternative is 'just over wholesale' price. My comments as to why a dealer would pay no more than wholesale are still valid I believe.
Sure an appraisal will be for replacement value and it will assume that you are going to replace it at the retail level. The dealer when he values his stock eill be interested in his replacement cost as well and it will be the wholesale price.
Value remains the price the buyer is prepared to pay.
No one suggests that you leave your machine vulnerable to attack. But neither should we suggest that there is anything useful about the attackers or their actions.
To address the main post Virus writers are useful because it is wrong to tie fluffy bunnies to a stake and then shoot them in the gut to watch them die in pain.
I have thought for a while now that an Indian programmer named Prakesh who lives in Bangalore writes about 10% these virii but like you I have no proof and cannot figure out how to track back to him.
I never thought that one other party could be responsible for the rest. Do you think it possible Prakesh is merely sub contracting to Symantec et al and they are in fact responsible for all virii released.
Perhaps if I stand closer to the wall more will be revealed.
Gee, what a romantic sounding name. Very evocative of hot steamy nights of passion. Cheap hot steamy nights of passion but you get what you pay for I suppose.
you have to buy a ring* * One day, you will find a nice little woman who wants a ring, and generally it is best to get her one!;)
From experience I strongly suggest it will be cheaper and more satisfying in the longer term if you spend the money finding a girl for whom you do not have to buy a ring.
I was lucky enough to get almost 60% of what I paid for my ring,
How else will the dealer make any money on it if he doesn't buy it for less than he can sell it for? He can buy a similar piece from a wholesaler or make one himself for about what he offered you so why would he pay more.
You are comparing the retail price with the wholesale price. Why would there not be a difference. And I'm sure the dealers would have explained that to you if you had asked.
Try selling them to consumers. They may be happy to buy from you at a small discount to the 'market' price if their alternative is to buy from the dealer at full market, esp if you can give a cert of authenticity of some sort.
It's still worth about the $1000 you paid for it, just not to a dealer for what I always thought are obvious reasons but which seem to escape most/. readers.
Well yes, that is generally waht a tax does; causes a business to pay tax.
In fact it is effectively just increasing the initial sales taxes etc on the original purchase of equipment but spreading the extra tax out over the useful life. But the way they are structuring it it looks like a tax on capital losses.
It is 'scientifically' impossible to 'prove' that something isn't true because you cannot test every possible occurance. Statistically you can feel comfortable that a prediction will prove correct but you cannot be assured 100%.
Matmatically you can prove a theory. Or prove that something cannot be done. Godels incompleteness theory springs to mind. But notice that it's called a theory as well.
The fact that you are on crack does not change this though it makes it less likely that you give a shit.
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Which particular voucher program are you talking about.
The fact is that most voucher systems will be aimed at middle class targeted government services. The poor aren't trusted to make such decisions; look at all the complaints about them spending food stamps on cigarettes and liquor.
There are problems with the practical aspects of vouchers but the theory is that they lead to more efficient services and more empowered recipients.
Of course if you believe that 'all' government expenditure is spending stolen money then none of this makes sense but lets assume for the purposes of the argument that governments do exist and do provide public services such as education and targeted training initiatives.
So for example, if my kids are receiving an education (is that free loading?) and the cost to the government is $5,000 per child the Government gives me a voucher for $5,000 worth of education that I can use at any school that will accept it. Most schools wouldn't see any change but some parents would say, I'd rather my kids went to School B not A so send them to B. If enough did that School A might ask itself why kids aren't staying there and do something to make iteself more attractive.
Same with for example, training grants to apprentices or retraining of long term unemployed. Again, is that free loading?
The fact is I am prepared to pay someone $1 because I like a record and I don't care if 10 , 100,000 or 10,000,000 people do the same. I'm paying for what I enjoy.
Contrary to your 'kneejerk reaction' comment, you have stated quite strongly elsewhere that you don't respect 'artists' who perform music that was written by someone else.
I think one can be too much of a purist. Most of us would get rather sick of singer/songwriters sitting on stage by themselves as entertainment so we are prepared to accept a recording of the Berlin Philharmonic playing Wagner as a perfectly valid musical artistic experience that we are willing to pay for. Even if they aren't 'hot'. There is as much art in that as there is in most performances by 'original' artists.
In any case, without advertising and marketing how the hell do you know who writes the stuff.
Honestly, cry babies will complain about everything.
I don't know for sure but I think the average is like less than 20,000 copies (and so loses money). If the average CD sold 250,000 copies we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If the movie was any good it would have made a reasonable profit in theatres and the DVD should be able to be released at $3.00 a copy 18 months later. Anything else is a rip off. At least CDs have a production cost to recoup. DVDs have recouped by the time they are released.
No wonder people are confused.
And they sold me a fusking computer. When did the Beatles start making computers?
No one will lose their job. Bureaucrats are good at setting it up so that everyone is doing their job perfectly well and can only be complemented on their good work even though everything is fucked up beyond belief.
How mwny american civil servants lost their jobs because of 9/11 (except the ones who actually tried to warn people). So why would a little mainframe theft lead to dismissal.
Why is this a troll. I assumed he was an average merkin cizen.
hurricanes are so destructive what with 200,000 elephants flying all over the place.
I wonder if she has ever considered just how hot is the sun. Wow, its hotter than all the space heaters that have ever been made turned on in the drying closet and you locked in for the whole weekend with only a bottle of soda and some salt crackers. Although by saturday night it would feel pretty much the same.
A washing machine maker might be safe from floor claims because you are expected to use the equipment in a setting that is suitable for it and it is reasonable to expect the floor around a washing machine to get wet, even very wet so you wouldn't put it on a floor that is damaged by water, even lots of water.
accurate but useless (shown in clinical tests to contain the active ingredient X, i saw this one the other day, I'm not kidding, they made no claims about the effectiveness of the stuff, just claimed that clinical tests showed the stuff contained one of the ingredients)
or
subjective as all hell (any adjective incl best, fastest, biggest, or claim to surveys, used by more popular cheerleaders than any other brand of laxative)
If you can show they lied you can make big money. If they do lie then they won't have much money in the first place.
Lies by omission are a little different but even in ads there is no law that says you have to be exhaustive, just don't actively lie.
Not sure about that. Years of noise on /. hasn't had an appreciable effect on the Great Satan.
No really, we didn't get an engagement ring cause we couldn't afford it and she really wasn't interested. Never been a big jewellery type. I am a lucky man I know.
We did get wedding bands in Bali on our pre honeymoon for the price of the gold that day on the Singapore metal exchange plus $25 labour. It being Indonesia I suspect there were a lot of filings swept up from that job but all in all we got them about 40% of the retail Australia price. And they checked out as to purity.
I sure wish I could find them now.
In the long run it doesn't matter. Spouse is more attached to her grandmothers engagement ring for sentimental reasons than any thing I gave her.
Sure an appraisal will be for replacement value and it will assume that you are going to replace it at the retail level. The dealer when he values his stock eill be interested in his replacement cost as well and it will be the wholesale price.
Value remains the price the buyer is prepared to pay.
Shit, he proved it. I really am behind in my reading aren't I.
No, that's the point.
No one suggests that you leave your machine vulnerable to attack. But neither should we suggest that there is anything useful about the attackers or their actions.
To address the main post Virus writers are useful because it is wrong to tie fluffy bunnies to a stake and then shoot them in the gut to watch them die in pain.
Fish fuck in it.
I never thought that one other party could be responsible for the rest. Do you think it possible Prakesh is merely sub contracting to Symantec et al and they are in fact responsible for all virii released.
Perhaps if I stand closer to the wall more will be revealed.
Gee, what a romantic sounding name. Very evocative of hot steamy nights of passion. Cheap hot steamy nights of passion but you get what you pay for I suppose.
you have to buy a ring* * One day, you will find a nice little woman who wants a ring, and generally it is best to get her one! ;)
From experience I strongly suggest it will be cheaper and more satisfying in the longer term if you spend the money finding a girl for whom you do not have to buy a ring.
How else will the dealer make any money on it if he doesn't buy it for less than he can sell it for? He can buy a similar piece from a wholesaler or make one himself for about what he offered you so why would he pay more.
You are comparing the retail price with the wholesale price. Why would there not be a difference. And I'm sure the dealers would have explained that to you if you had asked.
Try selling them to consumers. They may be happy to buy from you at a small discount to the 'market' price if their alternative is to buy from the dealer at full market, esp if you can give a cert of authenticity of some sort.
It's still worth about the $1000 you paid for it, just not to a dealer for what I always thought are obvious reasons but which seem to escape most /. readers.
Well yes, that is generally waht a tax does; causes a business to pay tax.
In fact it is effectively just increasing the initial sales taxes etc on the original purchase of equipment but spreading the extra tax out over the useful life. But the way they are structuring it it looks like a tax on capital losses.
because they were the first poster to read the second page of the article. I think that says something about the level of debate here, don't you.
Matmatically you can prove a theory. Or prove that something cannot be done. Godels incompleteness theory springs to mind. But notice that it's called a theory as well.
The fact that you are on crack does not change this though it makes it less likely that you give a shit.