I would assume that the person who submitted the/. meant that you could move 70 minutes of mp3s in under a minute, because to read 680 meg from a CD would require a read spead of 76x.
You can copy about 70 minutes of mp3s in under 10 seconds. Why is it so hard to get correct information on this?;)
Obviously if you are copying the files off the CD that is the bottleneck and the time it takes will be based on your drive's speed. The 10 second figure assumes that UltraATA is the bottleneck.
Has anyone seen anything else using 1.8" drives besides the original Toshiba 5GB drive and the iPod (which is obviously the better value now by far)?
It will also be interesting to see if future Apple "digital hub" products might connect to the iPod and use it for storage, for example imagine having an Apple digital camera that could offload images to the iPod, allowing you to go off into the woods and take thousands of pictures with just the stuff in your pockets;) Apple often has new products interact with existing ones in cool ways like this, and this could help explain why it was named the iPod instead of something to do with music.
This is different because a company that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit has declared to be in possession of monopoly powers is requiring users of competing products to abandon them in order to use one of its services.
While it might seem that technology is the cause for the delay, Kaspar said that's not the case. "It's not something that's broken. It's just a big challenge to get as many pages as you can," she said.
How can this not be a problem with their technology? Are they doing everything by hand? Maybe she means that the humans operating the technology aren't on schedule; in any event I think this points to the installation of management that knows nothing about the technology that drives the company after it became yet another big commercial portal, I think the first thing every/.er thinks of when they read this is, "please don't let this happen to Google." The new features they are adding are great, but they must keep their site small and clean; anything can be taken too far.
$398
size: 150 x 80 x 26mm
weight: 9.9 oz.
capacity: 6.4 GB
12 hour battery
USB interface: takes almost 4 hours to load
128 x 64 pixel display
buffer holds 10 minutes of music
plastic case / sub-optimal industrial design, to say the least
USB cable and separate brick AC adapter
iPod:
$399
size: 102 x 61.8 x 19.9mm
weight: 6.5 oz.
capacity: 5GB
10 hour battery with one-hour quick-cahrge to 80% capacity
IEEE 1394 interface: takes 10 MINUTES to load
160 x 128 pixel display
buffer holds 20 minutes of music
stainless steel case / Apple industrial design
IEEE 1394 cable and tiny AC adapter that uses the IEEE1394 cable
Simultaneous English, French, German and Japanese support
Automatic synchronization
WORKS AS PORTABLE FIREWIRE DISK
The advantages of the PJB are that it comes with a car adapter kit, a $15 value for those of you who don't already have one from a CD player, and a stereo adapter, $5 at RadioShack. Both come with some decent headphones and the standard sound-quality tech specs. It also has and extra 1.4 GB and 2 hours of battery, both of which are easier to acheive in a bulkier machine. It also has 20 GB and 30 GB options, which might actually be interesting for those needing the space and looking for something between the "CD-player" sized jukeboxes and the "deck of cards" sized iPod and flash-memory players, but the $515 and $665 price tags might make you really start thinking if you'd rather have a second computer insead.
The PJB has a very low resolution display and a UI that is more useable, if much uglier, than most other HDD players, but doesn't even compete with the iPods much higher resolution screen and Apple-designed UI, which you can see here. The iPod automatically synchronizes with your computer, something which you couldn't do with a USB player because it would take hours instead of minutes. The iPod also works as a portable firewire disk, greatly increasing its utility considering the price of an ultraslim external firewire drive. If the PJB does this too, please inform me; I know that many HDD players work as disks, but I would think they would note this on their website if it did. In any event, one of the huge advantages the iPod has over other players that work as disks is that as a FireWire drive it will probably be faer than your internal HD, as opposed to the nearly unuseable speed of USB devices for mass storage.
The PJB is definitely a step ahead of most of the HDD MP3 player competition, but I don't think anyone who has a machine that works with the iPod would choose the PJB. If anything, this device shows that the iPod is priced very comparably to other devices of its kind, of which there are very few. Since the initial price targets were rumored to be $249-299 perhaps there is some chance that the iPod will drop in price quickly as Apple clears up manufacturing issues or whatever the snag with this might have been. An iPod at $249 or even $299 really would be able to dominate the MP3 player market.
1,000 songs, not hours. Still, more than 10 hours worth.
Quite right. I feel stupid now, but that's what I get for trying to make a cohesive post before noon;)
It should be about 74 hours at 160 Kbps.
On a side note has anyone else noticed the method iTunes uses to list file sizes? days:hours:minutes:sections, so it would display this as 3:02:00:00. I wonder if it goes to weeks after you have more than 10,080 minutes of music:)
Power and battery
Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery (1200 mAh)
Playtime: 10 hours when fully charged
Charges via FireWire connector to Mac system or power adapter
Fast-charge time: up to 1 hour (charges to 80% of battery capacity)
Full-charge time: up to 3 hours
The battery is built in much like a cell phone or Palm, but it gets power over the FireWire cable, eliminating the need for a cradle. The battery will run out long before you listen to all the music since it stores about 1,000 hours of music, but 10 hours is quite respectable and will get most people through a day.
I have like 20GB of mp3's anyway, not like they're really going to fit on anything out there
creative has released a 20gb jukebox.
http://www.americas.creative.com/
Original post:
the Nomad is too big for me to carry around.
Read before you reply;) The whole problem this product is trying to solve is that current jukeboxes are too big to always carry on you. But I still don't think many are willing to pay $400 for an MP3 player, no matter how many features you throw into it.
The argument that it is not a step forward because it is not as big(capacity) as a nomad is rediculous; the nomad is huge(physical bulk) (talking about the jukebox, of course. Nomad IIs are quite nice, but they have the capacity drawback; this player is about the size of a Nomad II). This product fixes the major issues with the jukebox: size and bad user interface, it gives you wickedly fast downloading via FireWire (look at the movie at http://www.apple.com/itunes/theater/ipod.html) and can be used as a HD for files like some of the other HD based players, but in typical Apple style they make a near perfect product and the only issue is that no one can afford it.
The other news that you may have missed is that iTunes 2 will be released in "early November" and will FINALLY feature an equalizer and is supposed to burn CDs twice as fast. This free upgrade may be of more significance to us poor Mac users;)
>Gee,
what would I rather have?
A hundred emails a day from l33t porno spammers, or an occasional email worm, which isn't an issue because I don't open unknown attachments regardles...
hmmm... sometimes you/.ers pick the needles out of haystacks...
Don't worry, there are exploits in the most widely used versions of IE and Outlook which allow code to be executed without you opening any attachment.
But that isn't what the story is about, the story is about MS requiring users of Qwest DSL to use their software and under the pretense of preventing spam. I'm sorry that you didn't have time to read it.
Unfortunately, you could not condense the update down to 217 MB because it has to be run off of a bootable CD (or another disk or partition, but I think it's going a little far to ask Apple to make a version just for people with more than one HD), so it has to have all the code for a single-use OS X system, which is most of what inflates the file size; ditching the language packs would still leave a massive file, and hurt Apple's attemps to make one version of their software that runs anywhere, which could be a huge boon to a company that already has good market share in many overseas markets, where the users are tired of waiting a few extra weeks to get their version.
However, I do agree that Apple should have made attempts to make it downloadable, but it is obvious that Apple had enough trouble just getting this out the door in September, let alone setting up a distibution net that could handle tens of terrabytes. As for Windows Update, it offers small updates usually not in excess of 15MB, just like Apple's Software Update, and I seem to recall that MS charges users for updates of the magnitude of 10.1, even if they are just bug fixes (which 10.1 is not).
I agree totally, and this is essentially what these "CDs" are to me: I have a music-CD-player free workspace: all my music on my HD, and an MP3 player for portable music. I still buy CDs so that I have a backup of all my music, for the convenience of getting every track on the CD at once and having CDDB set all the ID3 tags for me, and in the hope that some fraction of the money might go to the artists. And clearly I still have some respect for the law since these services aren't worth more than $1.50 (15 for a CDR and more left for the artist than they get from a typical contract).
So to me, one of these "CDs" IS a bunch of plastic, hopefully with some good artwork in it. If the only way I can get the music is via a P2P net or some other illegal means(even if they offer some version of the song on their website for "CD" owners, it won't be CD quality, which is what I thought I was paying for), why would I go to a store and pay $15 for plastic and packaging?
A one page statement describing the issues, their opinion, and their desired resolution. It's the top story on their news page, so hopefully it will let more people know about the issue.
"I don't think that the editor of the New York Times would allow a reporter to publish a story in the New York Times that defames it and may contain pornography. That is not an abridgment of the First Amendment right of said reporter. He would still have the opportunity to have it published independently or in USA Today. You just won't see the article in the Times."
You are making an analogy to a publisher's control over the content that they publish. I do not have a problem with this, it is like MS not allowing their webmaster to post a news story about how he hates FrontPage on the MS site (which they are perfectly allowed to do even though they won't make their own site on FrontPage;). But FrontPage is not a publication, it is a tool. This is comparable to a typewriter company saying that the New York Times cannot type articles which criticize their company on one of their typewriters. Oh, and the typewriter adds " to the bottom of every page.
That explains the "[You may not use the Software in connection with any site to] infringe any intellectual property or other rights of these parties, violate any state, federal or international law, or promote racism, hatred, or pornography." section, but what we're taking about is the "You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia or their products or services." I don't see how your argument is in any way relevent to that provision in the EULA. Are you saying Microsoft is afraid that they are going to sue themselves if someone uses FrontPage to disparage them? Furthermore, they use the term "disparage," something that is protected by the 1st amendment and which you cannot be sued for, not the term "slander," which is illegal. In other words, this provision of the licence is not seeking to prevent someone from saying something that could have legal implications, but to prevent them from saying anything negative about MS.
Sure, an anti-MS site isn't going to be made on FrontPage, but suppose there is a news site published on FrontPage and they want to run an editorial that criticizes Microsoft?
I think you can never call something a non-issue when it is such a gross infringement on free speech, the foundation of democracy.
I think the underlying question here is why not force someone to enable it? A user who choses to install everything should not be expected to have looked at every file he installed and considered the security implications of them. It is simple logic that even if you installed server software of any type as part of your OS, it should not be enabled until the user actively enables and configures it. In the larger argument about MS and security, I agree that you could make an argument that a good admin could run a relatively secure server (and many people have tried to do so), but you will be fighting against all sorts of stupid "features", bugs, and design errors like this that are created by a much larger issue with the lack of concern about security, and even more broadly with the lack of focus and accountability that is charictaristic of most MS products.
Bad design like this will become more and more important with the migration of more users to Win2K/NT for their desktops as MS makes each version of theit consumer OS more hostile to power users.
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You can copy about 70 minutes of mp3s in under 10 seconds. Why is it so hard to get correct information on this? ;)
Obviously if you are copying the files off the CD that is the bottleneck and the time it takes will be based on your drive's speed. The 10 second figure assumes that UltraATA is the bottleneck.
It will also be interesting to see if future Apple "digital hub" products might connect to the iPod and use it for storage, for example imagine having an Apple digital camera that could offload images to the iPod, allowing you to go off into the woods and take thousands of pictures with just the stuff in your pockets ;) Apple often has new products interact with existing ones in cool ways like this, and this could help explain why it was named the iPod instead of something to do with music.
Hope that clears it up.
How can this not be a problem with their technology? Are they doing everything by hand? Maybe she means that the humans operating the technology aren't on schedule; in any event I think this points to the installation of management that knows nothing about the technology that drives the company after it became yet another big commercial portal, I think the first thing every /.er thinks of when they read this is, "please don't let this happen to Google." The new features they are adding are great, but they must keep their site small and clean; anything can be taken too far.
$398
size: 150 x 80 x 26mm
weight: 9.9 oz.
capacity: 6.4 GB
12 hour battery
USB interface: takes almost 4 hours to load
128 x 64 pixel display
buffer holds 10 minutes of music
plastic case / sub-optimal industrial design, to say the least
USB cable and separate brick AC adapter
iPod:
$399
size: 102 x 61.8 x 19.9mm
weight: 6.5 oz.
capacity: 5GB
10 hour battery with one-hour quick-cahrge to 80% capacity
IEEE 1394 interface: takes 10 MINUTES to load
160 x 128 pixel display
buffer holds 20 minutes of music
stainless steel case / Apple industrial design
IEEE 1394 cable and tiny AC adapter that uses the IEEE1394 cable
Simultaneous English, French, German and Japanese support
Automatic synchronization
WORKS AS PORTABLE FIREWIRE DISK
The advantages of the PJB are that it comes with a car adapter kit, a $15 value for those of you who don't already have one from a CD player, and a stereo adapter, $5 at RadioShack. Both come with some decent headphones and the standard sound-quality tech specs. It also has and extra 1.4 GB and 2 hours of battery, both of which are easier to acheive in a bulkier machine. It also has 20 GB and 30 GB options, which might actually be interesting for those needing the space and looking for something between the "CD-player" sized jukeboxes and the "deck of cards" sized iPod and flash-memory players, but the $515 and $665 price tags might make you really start thinking if you'd rather have a second computer insead.
The PJB has a very low resolution display and a UI that is more useable, if much uglier, than most other HDD players, but doesn't even compete with the iPods much higher resolution screen and Apple-designed UI, which you can see here. The iPod automatically synchronizes with your computer, something which you couldn't do with a USB player because it would take hours instead of minutes. The iPod also works as a portable firewire disk, greatly increasing its utility considering the price of an ultraslim external firewire drive. If the PJB does this too, please inform me; I know that many HDD players work as disks, but I would think they would note this on their website if it did. In any event, one of the huge advantages the iPod has over other players that work as disks is that as a FireWire drive it will probably be faer than your internal HD, as opposed to the nearly unuseable speed of USB devices for mass storage.
The PJB is definitely a step ahead of most of the HDD MP3 player competition, but I don't think anyone who has a machine that works with the iPod would choose the PJB. If anything, this device shows that the iPod is priced very comparably to other devices of its kind, of which there are very few. Since the initial price targets were rumored to be $249-299 perhaps there is some chance that the iPod will drop in price quickly as Apple clears up manufacturing issues or whatever the snag with this might have been. An iPod at $249 or even $299 really would be able to dominate the MP3 player market.
Quite right. I feel stupid now, but that's what I get for trying to make a cohesive post before noon ;)
It should be about 74 hours at 160 Kbps. :)
On a side note has anyone else noticed the method iTunes uses to list file sizes? days:hours:minutes:sections, so it would display this as 3:02:00:00. I wonder if it goes to weeks after you have more than 10,080 minutes of music
Power and battery
Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery (1200 mAh)
Playtime: 10 hours when fully charged
Charges via FireWire connector to Mac system or power adapter
Fast-charge time: up to 1 hour (charges to 80% of battery capacity)
Full-charge time: up to 3 hours
The battery is built in much like a cell phone or Palm, but it gets power over the FireWire cable, eliminating the need for a cradle. The battery will run out long before you listen to all the music since it stores about 1,000 hours of music, but 10 hours is quite respectable and will get most people through a day.
creative has released a 20gb jukebox.
http://www.americas.creative.com/
Original post:
the Nomad is too big for me to carry around.
Read before you reply ;) The whole problem this product is trying to solve is that current jukeboxes are too big to always carry on you. But I still don't think many are willing to pay $400 for an MP3 player, no matter how many features you throw into it.
The other news that you may have missed is that iTunes 2 will be released in "early November" and will FINALLY feature an equalizer and is supposed to burn CDs twice as fast. This free upgrade may be of more significance to us poor Mac users ;)
But that isn't what the story is about, the story is about MS requiring users of Qwest DSL to use their software and under the pretense of preventing spam. I'm sorry that you didn't have time to read it.
However, I do agree that Apple should have made attempts to make it downloadable, but it is obvious that Apple had enough trouble just getting this out the door in September, let alone setting up a distibution net that could handle tens of terrabytes. As for Windows Update, it offers small updates usually not in excess of 15MB, just like Apple's Software Update, and I seem to recall that MS charges users for updates of the magnitude of 10.1, even if they are just bug fixes (which 10.1 is not).
So to me, one of these "CDs" IS a bunch of plastic, hopefully with some good artwork in it. If the only way I can get the music is via a P2P net or some other illegal means(even if they offer some version of the song on their website for "CD" owners, it won't be CD quality, which is what I thought I was paying for), why would I go to a store and pay $15 for plastic and packaging?
A one page statement describing the issues, their opinion, and their desired resolution. It's the top story on their news page, so hopefully it will let more people know about the issue.
Apple's Website and General Feedback page is at: http://www.apple.com/contact/feedback.html and you can email HP's CEO here: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/fiorina/in dex.htm
"I don't think that the editor of the New York Times would allow a reporter to publish a story in the New York Times that defames it and may contain pornography. That is not an abridgment of the First Amendment right of said reporter. He would still have the opportunity to have it published independently or in USA Today. You just won't see the article in the Times." You are making an analogy to a publisher's control over the content that they publish. I do not have a problem with this, it is like MS not allowing their webmaster to post a news story about how he hates FrontPage on the MS site (which they are perfectly allowed to do even though they won't make their own site on FrontPage;). But FrontPage is not a publication, it is a tool. This is comparable to a typewriter company saying that the New York Times cannot type articles which criticize their company on one of their typewriters. Oh, and the typewriter adds " to the bottom of every page.
That explains the "[You may not use the Software in connection with any site to] infringe any intellectual property or other rights of these parties, violate any state, federal or international law, or promote racism, hatred, or pornography." section, but what we're taking about is the "You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia or their products or services." I don't see how your argument is in any way relevent to that provision in the EULA. Are you saying Microsoft is afraid that they are going to sue themselves if someone uses FrontPage to disparage them? Furthermore, they use the term "disparage," something that is protected by the 1st amendment and which you cannot be sued for, not the term "slander," which is illegal. In other words, this provision of the licence is not seeking to prevent someone from saying something that could have legal implications, but to prevent them from saying anything negative about MS.
Sure, an anti-MS site isn't going to be made on FrontPage, but suppose there is a news site published on FrontPage and they want to run an editorial that criticizes Microsoft? I think you can never call something a non-issue when it is such a gross infringement on free speech, the foundation of democracy.
I think the underlying question here is why not force someone to enable it? A user who choses to install everything should not be expected to have looked at every file he installed and considered the security implications of them. It is simple logic that even if you installed server software of any type as part of your OS, it should not be enabled until the user actively enables and configures it. In the larger argument about MS and security, I agree that you could make an argument that a good admin could run a relatively secure server (and many people have tried to do so), but you will be fighting against all sorts of stupid "features", bugs, and design errors like this that are created by a much larger issue with the lack of concern about security, and even more broadly with the lack of focus and accountability that is charictaristic of most MS products. Bad design like this will become more and more important with the migration of more users to Win2K/NT for their desktops as MS makes each version of theit consumer OS more hostile to power users.