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Drive-n to strong drink and harsh words. Kenneth Yu writes: "You might recall the overwhelming response to a recent 'Ask Slashdot' regarding the abnormally high failure rates of IBM 75GXP Hard drives, and the pulling of all 75GXP from Pair Networks' Servers. A class action lawsuit has been filed by Michael Granido, Jr., on behalf of himself and all others similarly situated. You can view the complaint in PDF format at http://www.sheller.com/IBM_complaint.pdf. This story was initially reported by Tech Report (http://www.tech-report.com)."
Apropos that, jriskin writes: "Storagereview.com has its new reliability database up and running. I have no affiliation with the site, but it only benifits the community to have as many people contribute as possible. The database is a listing of hard drives and whether or not they have failed, when they were purchased, etc. So get over there and put in all your HD data!" Things like this could help eliminate the anecdotal-only nature of many of hardware complaints, especially if people who are happy with their hardware bother to report it.
Falling far from a tree has nothing to do with it. Majik writes "A quick correction - the iPod has *10* gigs of storage, not 5 (or 6 like the Nomad). And with the Firewire interface you can move an entire CD in under a minute. Although I admit I was hoping for more out of the product announcement, it's still pretty darn cool ... "
On the other hand, jchristopher writes: "Love it or hate it, Apple's new iPod digital music player is here. Yesterday, many people commented that "at least it has no copy protection" and praised Apple's attitude toward digital music. Unfortunately, this may not be the case - according to this New York Times article, the iPod does indeed have copy protection - MP3 files copied to the iPod from one Mac to the iPod CAN'T be offloaded onto a different computer. Ouch!" That means (at least without further hacking) it can't be used as a transfer medium between the G3 and work and the iMac kept hidden in your darkest closet, which is sort of a shame considering that it has all the right things built in to be even better than the several portable firewire drives on the market.
Unorginal Equipment Makers. An Anonymous Coward writes: "This is a follow-up on a previous story posted to Slashdot about Microsoft's anti-competitive OEM contracts." It's a report by German journalist Erik Möller (hi, Erik!), who too an extremely thorough look at the details of OEM bundling deals, and what they mean to customers. Möller's conclusion: "No operating system will ever be able to compete with Microsoft Windows on the desktop market as long as OEMs cannot legally install it besides Windows without losing their license."
'Technical meaures' covers a pretty broad swath. Robotech_Master writes "The RIAA has responded to the 'license to virus' story, calling it a false Internet rumor and explaining their side of the story." So the RIAA officially does not want a license to hack, at least on paper.
for great justice!
Where'd you get that from? Look at the specs: 5GB hard disk drive.
Why in the world would an OEM want to build systems with Linux on it? It isn't like there's a huge demand for them in the first place.
And therein lies the rub. They basically can't have their cake and eat it too. They can either go after the money (Windows) or go after the table scraps (Linux), but they can't have both.
Sucks to be an OEM, I guess.
From Apple's iPod Web page:
"Small though it is, iPod has a hefty 5GB hard disk drive."
What the hell? Apples website says: "...Ultra-slim 5-gigabyte hard drive..."
Go to http://store.apple.com and look for your self.
"Not my manner of thinking but the manner of thinking of others has been the source of my unhappiness." - M
Umm, Apple's iPod page says it only has 5 GBs of storage. Do you think they're trying to give customers a nice surprise or did you just not want to bother following the link?
No, the iPod has a 5 GB hard drive. Whoever sent in that correction is just plain wrong.
The other iPod comment is also wrong. You can copy files to and from the iPod from any machine, just not via the iTunes interface.
That's funny, Apple seems to think its only 5GB.
-Spyky
MP3 files copied to the iPod from one Mac to the iPod CAN'T be offloaded onto a different computer.
You can copy mp3s from one computer to the next but you cannot use iTunes to do it. You must copy over the mp3 file as if it were any other data file (ie use the Finder to do the copying and not iTunes). There is a FAQ out there with the info. It is in PDF format.
You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.
No it's not. Check the specs page for details. Says so right there, 5GB. So, is there a source?
As for transfering files, it is my understanding that in Idiot Mode (which Apple calls Default Mode), the iPod can only synch with one primary computer at a time. you can operate the device from within iTunes in non-idiot mode, which gives you more flexability.
The iPod does have a 5GB drive, not a 10GB. But, it is pretty darn small. :)
dennis
I guess 5=10 at apple. No wonder the have such expensive hardware.
What the iPod does is mirror the macintosh it's connected to. What that means is that if it's got the mp3s from one mac, they'll get overridden with the mp3s from the next mac you sync with.
However, if you use the iPod as a firewire disk, then you can copy files back & forth (including mp3s that you can play) with glee. They just wanted the RIAA off of their back, so now you have to (gasp) click and drag your files in order to copy them.. It's called "manually copying" the files...
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This is hogwash. Everybody has synesthesia to some degree, it is just something that must be developed by hard work. When a child goes outside to play, he is immersed into a world of many senses, and each sense mingles with the other.
When we invented our various entertainment technologies, each treated the senses as distinct. Music is a field, painting is a field, but where is the field of Art that combines vision, sound, touch and taste and smell? There isn't one, and untill we develop such artforms that combine everything, we are lost.
This is why the ipod is a small step towards artistic nirvana for all of us. With its small mobility and combined visio-audio technologies, it integrates itself into other activities, becoming a background to our lives. The ipod is the mark of a new type of artistic technology, and I for one welcome it and praise apple, of whom I have been a fan for many years, to the skies for this triumph in UI intersensory design.
For christ's sake, you might be able to see apple's own statements that:
The iPod has 5gb, not 10.
You'd think Apple would be hyping 10gb if they could, don't you?
http://www.apple.com/ipod
Also, you can copy mp3s and other files between computers. It has to be done through manual intervention rather than through an automated update process.
See http://www.macfixit.com/ for an analysis.
hmmm amazing how Apple must have their info wrong, because since it was posted on Slashdot it must be true.
That means (at least without further hacking) it can't be used as a transfer medium between the G3 and work and the iMac kept hidden in your darkest closet, which is sort of a shame considering that it has all the right things built in to be even better than the several portable firewire drives on the market.
Apple has said explicitly that you could use this 5GB (yes, FIVE gigabyte, not ten) as a storage medium. Presumably the storage of MP3s would be restricted to interfacing with only one unique copy of iTunes. But that's no problem, just zip up (or use the excellent DropStuff, free utility from Aladdin for windows and mac) those MP3s and transfer the files that way. Sure, you won't compress them much, but you can route that silly protection.
Note that in product demos of the beast, the iPod shows up as a FIREWIRE DISK ON THE DESKTOP. I see no problems with transferring MP3s, just be a little craftier. Sheesh. Hardly any hacking required.
There is no legal way to act anti-competitively when you define anti-competitive to mean "illegal".
The government can, and does, impose anti-competitive tariffs and have it still be legal. Congressmen can, and do, give targeted anti-competitive breaks to companies and it is still legal. Patents are legal, 17-year, permits to be anti-competitive. Max, you have yet to define what "anti-competitive" means other than to say it is illegal and it is what Microsoft does.
That, my friend, is exactly what you would expect in a low transactional cost market. This is a market where the Cost of Goods sold is less than 0.1% of the product price. For sake of argument, zero transactional cost. Assume three potential companies start with equal shares of the market. Natural perturbations will cause them to become unequal. The one with the larger share will then have more money for advertising, research, etc. This will cause the share to increase even more. It is a positive feed-back loop.
You may not like anti-competitive effects of Marketing but it is very effective and it is legal. It is especially effective on the herd mentality that was brain-washed by a generation of TV commercials telling them that expensive Brand Name products are much better than low-cost alternatives.
Yes, it is very possible for a new, low transactional cost market to become dominated through legal means. Call it FUD, call it Vaporware, call it Marketing. In the United States, call it legal.
Did Microsoft violate Section 2? I think it did. It is virtually impossible to be a monopoly and not be guilty of maintaining a monopoly. But it may be possible monopolization is inevitable in this market. Even the DoJ lawyer didn't answer the Appellate Court question "We are going to replace one monopoly with another if you're right; right?"
what year did you graduate from Apple U.?
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One upset consumer was heard to say, "I read on some web site claiming to have apple insiders that their new digital device was going to be a fully digital electric car with handwriting recognition, 14 pci slots, and a breakfast buffet in the trunk. How dare Apple promise something so great and then deliver a simple mp3 player?"
Other people have complained about the price, feeling that even though the hard drive that powers the iPod costs $400 all by itself, Apple should've cut the price significantly so that their customers don't have to spend so much money. An stock analyst in an expensive suit told us, "I don't get it. Apple somehow managed to post a profit this past quarter, despite everyone else bleeding money and complaining how bad the economy is for computer makers. Where do they get the gall to not be losing millions of dollars?"
After this extreme disappointment, Apple watchers are all looking into the future, hoping for better results from their favorite company next time. Rumors of a levitating PDA that has voice recognition, does tarot card readings, and has wireless access that allows it to communicate with NASA's Cassini space probe have gotten everyone excited!
One time I threw a brick at a duck.
More anti-Microsoft "news" from the anti-Microsoft site? Astonishing.
As far as the copy protection goes, it is really not draconian. If you sync your iPod with iTunes, iTunes will overwrite all songs on the iPod that you don't have on your copy of iTunes. However, you can manually copy music files from the iPod to any Mac. The Register has more info. They actually got to play around with one.
It does come wrapped in plastic that says "don't steal music" in 4 languages.
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The internet is the greatest source of biased information in the history of mankind.
At the bottom of the tech specs page for the iPod, there is this disclaimer:
Does this mean that the 5 Gig drive is not 5 real gigabytes?
the following is copy and pasted from macintouch.com/ipod.html.
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A lot of people are making the mistake that the iPOD is only and MP3 player.
First and foremost it is a 5 gig firewire drive with 32 megs of static ram, and input as well as output devices (scroll wheel, screen, etc...not sure if the definition of a computer has changed in the last day... but this thing is a lot better than the powermac i owned years ago).
Ok, very simply it is a slave device. Portable Open Database. You know it will have a calendar, clock and whatever apps apple ads or I myself when i understand the OS... aka palm sync. It will also contain a few games... i still use my original game boy and the screen is not much bigger. Everyone thinks this is only a music device... but this is what everyone needs and doesn't even know it.
Ever since Apple took away our floppy drives. I can now take my excel files, photos, mp3 files, cad files, i can even put OSX on it and boot my mac from it!!!!....or any frickin thing I want in my pocket!!!! Just imagine the possibilities... when I am outdoors with my digital camera i can store files on it or when i am in a conference room I can record my voice on the disk.
Why would Apple put such a large screen on there, why would Apple not once place the words music or mp3 player on the device... why is the file system capabilities of this thing so amazing... no one quite understands what this is... remember all those easter eggs that weren't allowed in 9.1 or X...well they are all in this baby... this is iPod, this is our portable little slave device that everyone will want when they realize what it can do...
I seem to recall the last successful (?) class action suit against Iomega for the whole zip disk eating zip drives. Only thing that anyone received was a crappy coupon for Iomega products. IANAL but I pretty sure the case will flop regardless of who wins, getting replacement drives is one thing, but getting cash reimbursement is an exercise in futility.
"Get them before they get....
Hey,
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Why not just use resEdit on your MP3 files and tell their resource or info forks that they're some other file format? You could change their file type on the iPod, copy them over, and then change them back.
Sure it isn't elegant, but someone could easily make a resource-fork screwer-around-wither that does it easily, even as a scriptable part of the OS.
Macs are great, cuz you can do deep, intuitive modifications of every part of the OS, from the layout of dialog boxes to the language of menus just by screwing around with various resource forks. Joe User never has to worry about this seedy underbelly of cheap tricks, but everyone else is welcome to cheat wherever they want.
Here's hoping Apple wins the commercial OS battle someday
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Then why not just do it? Most people would stop copying music if they had a chance to buy it at a competitive price and in a convenient format. There's no legitimate reason why a one-band-one-album CD should cost more than $10. I'd pay twice that much if I could walk into a store, select 10 tracks and have them placed onto RIAA-approved media, assuming I was able to play it on the device (and OS) of my choice. The days of buying an album to get one good song and 9 B-sides are over.
But we've also said that there were technical measures that could be used to address the problem. We didn't get very specific about what those technical measures were, but we always made clear that we would rely on technological solutions to address technological problems.
This sounds a lot like "we can neither confirm nor deny...."
With an industry-leading 20 minutes of skip protection, iPod keeps playing without missing a beat. In addition to its 5GB hard drive, iPod has a 32MB memory cache. The cache is made up of solid-state memory, meaning that it has no mechanical or moving parts, so it?s not affected by movement of the device. iPod skip protection works by continually preloading up to 20 minutes of music into the cache.
Holds the contents of 100 CDs
[CD Stack] Small though it is, iPod has a hefty 5GB hard disk drive. The number of songs it holds depends on the compression rate you choose for your songs. At a 160Kbps compression rate (the default setting for encoding MP3s in iTunes),
5GB equals approximately 1,000 songs, or about 100 CDs. At lower-quality 128 Kbps ? the most common compression rate used for MP3s ? 5GB is equivalent to approximately 1,300 songs, or about 130 CDs. Who knows, you might also find yourself storing documents, files and applications on your iPod in FireWire disk mode.
(emphasis mine) taken from http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html
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I read the RIAA comment referred to in which they "deny" requesting a right to hack.
The first half of their comment seems reasonable. Then they admit that the anti-terrorism bill did contain a provision which would make some of their "technical measures" illegal and subsequently the bill was modified.
What is conspicuously absent from their statement is any mention of which provision in the original anti-terrorism bill was problematic. There were anti-hacking provisions and they were modified so as to apply only to acts whose intended effect is to influence or cause harm to the government (I'm paraphrasing here.) Does anyone know if that is the "fix" they are referring to, or is it something else? And can anyone think of a "technical measure" which is legitimate that would have been prohibited by the first draft and not by the final bill?
Quite a troll... But why not make something good come from it? There isn't huge demand for Linux because there isn't huge awareness. If I could afford to spend 250 million dollars in advertising alone on just one day (Windows XP: Regis, Frasier, Media, ... all rented by Microsoft) my OS would be on top too. If Microsoft didn't engage in anti-competitive practices, such as the boot loader "thing," Linux, OS/2, and BeOS all would've been installed on dual-boot systems with Windows a long time ago, and then later people would order Linux-only systems. ...and I'd hardly call Linux table scraps. What kind of an analogy is that? Think of something better for your next troll, please?
A solution to the problem with music today
Also see the Oct. 25 entries on the Mac Resource Page.
There's been so much mis-dis-information about this thing perhaps we should all take a second and read the faq
http://www.apple.com/ipod/pdf/iPod_FAQ-a.pdf
iPod FAQ (pdf)
Hate is a great uniter. Hate makes you strong. Every movement must have someone to hate.
/. readers are suspicious of government involvement, but I really see this as the only option. Unfortunately, the answer to "can't we all just get along?" is "only if we all hate the same thing."
If Microsoft played by the rules, what then? If you think KDE vs. Gnome is bad now, just wait until they aren't competing against Microsoft anymore.
I don't support Microsoft's tactics, but I really don't want to see KDE extremisist parading Miguel de Icaza's severed head around on a pike with a banner reading "The Konquered Kompetitor." I really don't want to see UC Berkely burned to the ground by BSD hating Linux zealots.
So what's needed is an enemy that's wholly evil, but doesn't have a crushing competetive advantage (that's krushing kompetitive advantage for you KDE users).
My suggestion: Break up Microsoft and create a small, federally funded software development house called evilsoft. Evilsoft will have a mandate to create unpleasant software and market it in unwholsome ways, but it will be limited to 50 employees. This will give Sun, Oracle, Apple and the OSS community a common foe while also allowing fair competition.
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I urge you to write your congressperson today, if you aren't a US citizen, pick a congressperson at random and claim to be overseas military personell.
It's our last, best hope.
--Shoeboy
Corporations, especially those with a ever-present hand in politics, tend to be mealy mouthed about things like this, but I have to say that after reading that statement the RIAA has gained a measure of respect in my eyes:
"What's worse - we were accused of equating Internet piracy with terrorism. We may take Internet piracy seriously, but we're not insane."
That's about the most intelligent and non-legalistic thing I think I've heard come from the RIAA.
And barring illegal acts like breaking into people's machines, the RIAA statement that they 'use technological solutions to technological problems' sounds about exactly the way I want them to operate.
Let them have a technological arms race with Napster/Gnutella/Whatever, and hopefully the judges will have more time to address real crimes. Plus someone has to write this code for the RIAA, so a fellow geek gets to feed his family. Cool with me.
Portable firewire HD, sans music player, but:7 .h tml
/. meant that you could move 70 minutes of mp3s in under a minute, because to read 680 meg from a CD would require a read spead of 76x.
http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_50004
Archos has a 20 GB model, it is larger, but I would assume it would be faster- (I can't see having a 7200 RPM drive on an mp3 player, but IMBR), and $100 cheaper (search the net for a better price) for 2x the storage.
Also, it IS five gigabytes, unless apple.com's lying:
http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html
I would assume that the person who submitted the
--I hate people when they're not polite -"Psycho Killer", Talking Heads
It's 'table scraps' because the number of users who really want Unix as their desktop operating system is very low compared to those that want Windows or Mac on it.
It's simply not profitable to run a hardware shop that provides Linux pre-installed. (I'd put a link to VA's stock chart here, but I don't want my original post to be further construed as trolling)
thanks for posting the link. I can't say that my short report was really "thorough", since much of it is quotes from Hacker and Gassee, but that's partly because of its subject. Since the kind of OEM deals it discusses are certainly not frequent (and possibly organized in a clever contractual hierarchy), it is quite easy to cover them up.
But I think the evidence for their existence was already overwhelming before my own search (you don't have the CEO of a major competitor making such factual claims if there's nothing behind them), and at the point where one manufacturer told me quite straight-forwardly "Yes, we can't create dual-boot machines under our OEM contract, but please don't quote me on that" I decided to do what is called a cut in Prolog and not investigate further. It is really up to the anti-trust authorities now to subpoena these contracts and to then examine them in detail. If I am not mistaken, this was already done by the US regarding the "modification of icons on the desktop" question.
Interesting: In the K5 article, there were quite a few vocal Microsoft supporters who argued that this is a non-issue, either because the contracts don't exist or because they are not relevant -- in the attached poll, however, ~85% said that the OEM pratice should be investigated and quite possibly forbidden. So the silent majority seems to agree that this is a major issue.
Don't be fooled into passivity by a vocal minority: If you agree it's an issue, do something about it -- fax or write the EC in support of my report, or e-mail your own legislators (wherever you are, this seems to be an issue everywhere). Don't let MS get away with this.
Thanks,
Erik
Toshiba is already sampling a 10 gig version of the drive that the iPod uses.
The iPod is getting more attention than XP, even from Windows users. Once again showing how big of an impact Apple really does make on the industry.
Stupid stupid Billy boy.
Just to say a few things:
http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html
Under the first heading, it says '5 gigs of storage', not 10.
Also, regarding the sharing stuff. If you use Autosync with iTunes, where it automatically updates the music database each time you hook it in, then you can use it with only one computer. However, if you do not use the autosync feature, and download and upload music manually, then you CAN use it with more than one.
Proof of this can be found here:
http://www.apple.com/ipod/itunes.html
"Say you have a Mac at home and another at school or work. You can update your iPod music collection from either Mac."
Disinformation sucks.
// Jay
Ok, Slashdot gets it wrong on the iPod again. Here's the deal, as can be found on MacFixIt. The iPod has two basic modes, the automatic music management system that syncs with iTunes, and a more manual sort of management method. It will only auto-sync with one "setup" of iTunes, meaning that you can't go to another computer and have it automatically copy all the music that the iPod has but the HD doesn't to the computer. However, you can manually transfer music files back and forth between the iPod and any compatible computer. This all, of course, totally ignores the other major functionality of the device as a plain-jane Firewire HD, which can be used to copy whatever you want between computers.
It will also be interesting to see if future Apple "digital hub" products might connect to the iPod and use it for storage, for example imagine having an Apple digital camera that could offload images to the iPod, allowing you to go off into the woods and take thousands of pictures with just the stuff in your pockets ;) Apple often has new products interact with existing ones in cool ways like this, and this could help explain why it was named the iPod instead of something to do with music.
"Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity" -Alvy Ray Smith
Yes, OEMs should install Linux, OS/2, and BeOS because the "I Hate Microsoft" crowd thinks that it's a good idea.
Did you think about asking the "I just want to run Windows" crowd? Why would they want several hundred megs of unusable crap on their disks? I certainly don't, and I can put it there myself if need be.
Not to mention anything that increases support costs is universally bad from the OEM point-of-view. If grandma accidentially boots into Linux and has to call tech support, the profit on that box has been zero'd.
Apples website http://store.apple.com advertises a 5GB hard drive. What is the source for Majik's correction?
Also, the NYT article mentions that the iPod can't upload songs to a different computer. Does anyone know if that means:
(a) is the whole drive bound to a specific machine when formatted? (Perhaps one could write a program to lie to the iPod about the identity of the base station); or
(b) is non-MP3 data (since it's just a FireWire HD) also non-transferable?
(c) what the point is of this copy-protection? you can still copy your iPod to 10 CDs with no effort, Apple itself advertises.
In default sync mode it sync's all song's from the primary computer to the iPod, overwriting any library currently stored on the device. However, you may manually transfer songs and play lists from secondary machines, within iTunes, no copy protection, no hacks, no workarounds. Apple simply makes sure that the default behavior is not to automatically make a union of the song databases, quite understandable really. It is all in the F.A.Q., as for 10Gigs., what kind of glue was that guy sniffing?
It's true, the iPod has only 5 billion bytes of storage capacity. Majik was smoking crack with timothy or something. Whatever. Now for the cool shtuff.
:)
What I have heard is that the drive in the iPod is none other than the Toshiba 5GB PC Card Hard Disk Drive, which itself is worthy of GadgetLust. Yep, that iPod's got a Type II PC Card slot in there, just waiting to be upgraded when Toshiba releases a 10-gigger (which probably won't be more than 6 months). If it's not a PC card drive, it's certainly the embedded version of the same drive, and hopefully will be eminently hackable. Here's to rumors, rumours, and the Apple stock I bought after the WTC bombings
According to http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/ (it might be on the old news pages by now) the drive in the iPod costs the same as the iPod, pretty good value if you ask me ;)
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http://www.toshiba.com/taecdpd/where/enduser.sh
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The iPod doesn't really have copy protection. Instead, it's just simplistic: it designates one computer as the master and will only copy files from it. It's supposed to get music from your Mac, not supply it with music. Sure Apple could have enabled iPod to iPod transfers, etc, etc. But that's adding flashy features that aren't needed to launch the product, and they mar the simplicity that's the hallmark of the iPod.
The iPod can be mounted as a FireWire HD. I'm sure that files transfered to the iPod via iTunes can be copied off like any other file. So if you really want to geek it up, just flop to HD mode and copy away.
What I wonder is the format of the drive. FAT32? HFS? HFS+? OS 9/X can read all of them. OTH, Linux only has "pre-alpha" HFS+ support (but can read HFS). If the FW drive is FAT32 then in Firewire disk mode it could be used by any computer with Firewire. Once you know where to put files so the iPod can read them as music, it should be easy to manually copy them over.
Apple's FAQ says that you can put a system on the drive and boot from it, though Apple does not support it.
In response to your post, I do hope that two-way transferring isn't a problem.
That said...
Thinking about the iPod, I can't help but realise that the use of FireWire is very understated -- basically, it is being used only as a conduit between your computer and the iPod. But wait a second -- FireWire is a device-to-device bus, unlike USB. So do we really need the computer?
Imagine -- being able to transfer music files, playlists, etc. to your buddies by simply attaching a FireWire cable between two iPods. Why not?
Technologically, this is probably a no-brainer. But being Apple, I would have to assume they would be all over this if it were a real feature. It seems that you can only transfer music to the iPod and back to your (or another) Mac. This seems to preclude transferring data and music between iPods, which would be truly a ground-breaking improvement over existing portable music devices.
So, why is this (most assuredly) artificial limitation in place? My guess is pressure on Apple from the music industry (RIAA et al). Thoughts?
-Lunatic
Microsoft Bash?
I'm sorry. Microsoft does not have Bash. However, you can instlall the cygwin tools and you will then be able to Bash on Microsoft. And since your Bash isn't made by Microsoft your Bash won't crash.
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"What's worse - we were accused of equating Internet piracy with terrorism. We may take Internet piracy seriously, but we're not insane."
Oh, I beg to differ... ;-)
"It's one thing to be criticized for what we do - that's fair game. But to be vilified for what we don't do - that's very disheartening."
Maybe if we vilify them even more, they'll be so disheartened that they'll give up! Wouldn't that be the day?
From the RIAA's piece:
"We may take Internet piracy seriously, but we're not insane."
Sure as hell coulda fooled me.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
The iPod does indeed have only 5GB of storage. I don't know where crackhead got 10GB from.
... and only in one direction. However, it is possible to change the default behavior so you can move files freely from (and to) any computer (Mac, that is [for now]).
Also, the New York Times article (linked above) is unlcear about the copy protection schemes. However, upon reading the FAQs at Apple's iPod page, it is plainly visible that there is NO copy protection. What is being mistaken for protection is the default configuration which will only sync with one computer
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Aw Jeez.
The iPod has 5 GB of storage.
It also does not have any copy protection, but it won't auto-sync between two machines, you have to do it manually (just drag & drop the files).
Hope that clears things up just a little.
I tried to enter my hard drives into their reliability database, but they don't accept any drives older than 1998. How can you get any reliability information on a drive so new?
None of my drives are that new. I wanted to enter my CDC 94171-307 in the database, it is the drive I have been the happiest with, it has given me no problems in the 9 years I have had it, and it was used when I acquired it.
In it's native form, it's a PCMCIA drive, about 1.8 inches in diameter. It was announced just last week, I think.
-B
Not that this wasn't entirely predictable.
All hard drive manufacturers use the proper SI/metric meaning for mega and giga, i.e. 10^6 and 10^9. Why? Because it's not technically a lie, and it makes the drives look bigger.
Computer UIs, however, usually present to the user the CS definition for mega and giga, i.e. 2^20 and 2^30.
The capacity of the iPod is 4.6GB, 4.6*2^30 bytes, which is 5 billion bytes.
You can see this in Apple's user-interface preview of the thing -- click on the "About iPod" button.
Or for quicktime-less folks, a GIF of the relevant screenshot.
- Peter
INsigNIFICANT
it can't be used as a transfer medium between the G3 and work and the iMac
I hear there's this neat little technology called ethernet that can do that...
As far as I understood from the previous /. article, IBM had accepted returns and provided users with problematic drives new ones that were known to be good. From what I can tell, it seems that IBM has acted in good faith.
A lawsuit against them raises the price of drives, and makes it harder and harder for anyone to release a product without excessive, often unecessary but always expensive, testing. Of course a product should perform as advertised, but in many cases, even exhaustive testing cannot determine how a product will perform when released to others. If the company acts in good faith (and maybe the complaint alleges that IBM didn't), a class actions lawsuit seems like nothing but trouble for all of us.
The only certainty is entropy.
So lets see...
iPod does only have 5 GB of storage and it does allow you to offload onto a different computer.
Thank you for the accurate information.
-cibrPLUR
Possible solutions:
.zip or a .tar.gz or a .sit or whatever Mac's tend to use these days.
1. Rename them to whatever.mp3.ipod
2. Archive them into a
No, you won't be able to play them. But you'll be able to move the files from one computer to another.
Cryptnotic
My other first post is car post.
Actually, that's not true... the PC I got from Penguin Computing advertised a 20GB drive and it came delivered as being actually larger, by nearly a whole gig (and I'm counting gigs as being 1024 x 1024 x 1024.
Of course, now I hear from fuckedcompany.com that Penguin Computing is laying people off, so, I dunno, maybe they should have advertised it as a 24GB machine.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
You ask a good question. "Why would they want several hundred megs of unusable crap on their disks?" Windows XP, for example, takes up at least 1GB I've heard, and it doesn't seem much better than Windows 98, which takes up about 300MB, or Windows 95, which I was able to install on a 120MB hard drive and still have room for Duke Nukem 3D.
A solution to the problem with music today
One needs a license to hack? That'll be the day...
From the PDF FAQ linked above:
Now this is interesting... If I'm reading this correctly (and I'm pretty damn sure I am), this means that I could, for example, shoot some footage with my trusty Firewire-capable DV camcorder, and upload all that data to the iPod... While I assume that this would result in the loss of some or all of my MP3's and other files on the iPod's HD, this would mean that one could use the iPod in lieu of additional DV tapes, or (more logically), as a backup for said footage.
The iPod obviously wasn't designed to lock out other possibilities for use... It just has specialized functionality for use with other Apple products. My other Apple products.
is to give the raw, unformatted capacity in SI units.
G=1000
So an unformatted 20GB drive has 20,000,000,000 bytes of space before you format it.
I wonder if (perhaps with prompting from AMD) the memory industry will move to proper SI units, so that you might someday pick up some 268+ Megabyte DDR SDRAM.
iPod is indeed 5gigs
you can see for yourself Apple iPod Tech Specs
And, since the iPod is just a firewire disk, what i assume happens is if you have the iPod in Sync mode, you cant plug it in to another iTunes and copy the music in that fasion. You can of course mount it in Diskl mode and copy that way.
"Stuff... In my home!? NEVER!" - Zim on Invader Zim
"I want the toilet seat!" - Little Dog on Two Stupid Dogs
Ok, here is my reading between the lines of their FAQ.
When iTunes puts mp3 files on the drive it does something wicked and secret to them so that:
1. Only files so encoded will be playable by the internal firmware.
2. Said files are invisible when the drive is viewed in Firewire mode.
So yes, you can use it to transport mp3 files, but it isn't practical. What they had to prevent, to keep the RIAA from sueing their butts off, was the nightmare scenario where everyone buys one and plugs them into each other's machines, instantly exchanging music libraries with each other. If you thought Napster over DSL was bad, try FireWire speeds.
They also don't want PC or Linux folk to be able to use their products. In their way they are as bad as M$, you either buy into the Mac way or they don't want you touching any of their toys.
Since it IS just a FireWire drive with an onboard computer though, it WILL be hacked. If it doesn't get a Linux port it darn sure will get one of the BSD's within a year. After all it is a computer with 5GB of drive, 32MB of RAM, a usable display and some input devices with a FireWire port to talk to the outside world.
Democrat delenda est
Windows XP ... doesn't seem much better than Windows 98
Dude, what kind of troll crack are you smoking?
And at 200 megabytes a minute, it could hold a whole 25 minutes of footage (if its five gigs) or 50 minutes if its 10 gigs. Uhh, Blank DV tapes are $10... and hold an hour :)
I tried to stay out of this, but the iPod bashing seems to continue.
- go-through-this-web-wizard and "we think you dropped it". Worse if you're outside the US. Sign me up for some iPod Applecare - after two dead Rios and two dead NJB's, I could use some warranty love.
a gain Creative Playcenter and you'll see what I mean.
Seems to be a lot of talk about the iPod being dead-in-the-water (or nearly so) as an MP3 player. I, as a NJB owner and occasional Apple owner (my G3 has been powered up twice in the past year), find the iPod quite appealing, and would gladly exchange my NJB plus two hundred dollars for one. Here's why the iPod will, IMHO, kick the NJB's butt.
#1 - Size. The NJB is exactly the wrong size, as are all the other HD-based MP3 players I've seen. Too big to be really carry-in-on-you portable, too small to hold a useable display or enough buttons to properly save/name playlists, manage files, explore your collection etc.
#2 - Data storage. The NJB didn't used to do this, and even now barely does.
#3 - Speed. USB. Slow. Firewire. Fast. Swapping out even a 6GB NJB MP3 library takes a LONG, LONG time, like many hours. Assuming the software doesn't time out on you, which, ten firmwares later, it still does. Often.
#4 - Reliability. PB5300s be damned, Apple makes decent stuff. I'm on my second NJB, and its starting to die too. Creative puts a *90-day* warranty on the things, they're so flaky. Really.
#5 - Battery life. The NJB gets 2 hours IME from a set of NiMH AAs. There are also issues with overheating, failure to charge, and improper charge status reporting on the units. What good is 1000 hours of music if you can only enjoy it two hours at a time? Many NJB owners are resorting to $50-$70 ratpacks worth of bulky NiMH D-cells to get to the 10hr battery life the iPod advertizes as standard. Bring on the lithium polymer.
#6 - Support. 1-800-SOS-APPL vs. we-wont-even-give-you-a-number-to-call-unless-you
#7 - Output level. Based on the Reg's comment about the iPod sounding good, and based on the fact that NJB owners everywhere are opening up their units (voiding their 90 day warranty) to try to solder in a reasonable output level.
#8 - Aesthetics. 'nuff said.
#9 - Price. The iPod is cheaper ($400USD) than the NJB was when I bought my first one at $759CAD ($499USD), less than a year ago. If this 1.8" drive format is standardized, then bigger drives should be able to be shoehorned in, as NJB owners have been doing.
#10 - Drive letter (or the mac version, mount-it-on-the-desktop) support. Try using cheeseball banner-ads-galore gotta-use-it-to-load-the-device-whoops-i-crashed-
#11 - Boot times. Even with the latest firmware, its still 20+ seconds from powering the unit up to getting a sound out of it. For those with bigger HDs, older firmware, or less-than-perfect ID3 tags, startup times of two minutes or more are the norm. I can't imagine the iPod would be worse than THAT.
#12 - Proprietary file system with no repair / diagnosis options. There's no way to do a "real" format on an NJB. As in one that actually looks for bad sectors. One bad sector on your fragile fujitsu 2.5" HD? Count on lockups, freezeups, and untold general annoyances. There's no defrag, either.
There's plenty more, but I think the point is made. 'nuff of the pooh-poohing. As soon as someone can get this thing to accept MP3s from a PeeCee running Windoze and/or Linux, it will be the next big thing. (and save the archos jukebox praise, unless you've actually used one - or at least fondled a dead one).
-- "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." (Charles Darwin)
Allow me to translate (I speak evil):
Contrary to what you may have seen, read or heard the recording industry never lobbied congress to give us the ability to hack into PCs, plant viruses, destroy MP3 files on people's computers, and worse. That is complete nonsense, and totally untrue.
We don't want to make laws so we can haX0rZ j00.
in fact, a number of companies have developed the technology for these technical measures. Some of them may already be in use, but at RIAA, we've been analyzing the law to make sure that using these technical measures would be completely lawful.
We just want to watch you. This may involve sending you some packets. And HaX0rzING j00! f3WL!
when we looked at it, we found that one of the provisions in this massive bill would have changed existing law in a way that would prevent us from using technical measures that would otherwise have been perfectly lawful.
Senate F3wLz wanted to outlaw our HaX0rZing.
The provision wasn't aimed at anything we were doing or thinking of doing.
Senate f00lZ didn't know who they were MESSIN WID!
this change in the law would have prevented us from using technical measures to protect copyrighted works.
Congress got all scared, goofed, and forgot which side their bread was buttered on, by passing a law that would keep us from HaX0ring evil pirate thieves who are costing us billions by not buying cds! Every song ripped to mp3 everywhere would have been obtained by a legally purchased $20 cd, because no one would just copy songs they don't listen to just to have a "big mp3 collection". That's crazy talk.
The staff confirmed that the effect on us was inadvertent, and asked us to propose a fix, a "patch" to eliminate the problem for our industry.
When we stepped up, F3Wlz realized they'd better let us HaX0r you or else!
There is nothing unusual about what happened here
We buy these people all the time. We have assurances from them that no matter what we do to consumers, we are immune to prosecution.
It's one thing to be criticized for what we do - that's fair game.
Ya, ya, we're Satan.
But to be vilified for what we don't do - that's very disheartening.
We can't imagine being more evil than we already are, and we're upset that someone has a more creative imagination than us.
Half of what is written about us is just plain wrong.
Half of what is written about us true, and the other half is true too but we're spending billions to convince you otherwise.
Sincerely, the well paid evil people.
The new nomad has 20 gigs...
enough said
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You know, up until now I had great respect for /. But your negative slant on the iPod is a blatant case of "Slam anything Apple no matter how great it is". Extremely biased coverage including what must be intentional posting of misinformation. A device that small that can act as a bootable firewire drive (great for diagnostics and backups in emergency situations), a data-sharing device, as well as a very very nice MP3 player! Man, that is one seriously sweet device. Maybe the iPod doesn't suck, maybe just you do?
;-)
*ouch*
Their biggest model is 20Gb.
So lets get this straight.
ipod is 10Gb = WRONG
can't transfer mp3s with ipod = WRONG
nomand is 6Gb = WRONG
At least the point about firewire being fast is correct. Wish my empeg had firewire _sigh_
Timothy;
The Nomad has a 6Gb and a 20Gb version. The 20Gb version is the same price as the 5Gb Apple iPod.
Please, please, please, learn how not to be bought by apple's marketing hoardes.
Simon
Coming soon - pyrogyra
Maybe you could use it to backup tapes. Upload tape 1 to the iPod, swap tapes in the camera, download the iPod's data to a 2nd blank tape. Probably more hassle than it's worth if you can only do 25 minutes at a time though.
Would it not be possible, in cases like this where the story itself is quite obviously { bullshit | a load of uninformed nonsense | wrong }, for the author to, like, apologise in writing, and avoid the wasted replies pointing out their idiocy.
--
'Course, then we could get the Slashdot proprietor's to correct 2nd grade speeling mitsake's in the tittles...
> is to give the raw, unformatted capacity
> in SI units.
> G=1000
>
> So an unformatted 20GB drive has
> 20,000,000,000 bytes of space before you
> format it.
...because...that makes it sound like it has
more capacity than it really does!
In fact, there are new SI unit multipliers that
are recommended for computer use:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
These are essentially the units we have always
used - with slightly different spellings to
avoid the confusion that disk manufacturers love
to rely upon.
Hence a Kbytes is now 1000 bytes - but a KiB is
1024 (pronounced KibiByte). Similarly,
Mb becomes MiB (1024*1024) - a MebiByte and
Gb becomes GiB (1024*1024*1024) - a GibiByte.
Note also that capital B is reserved for Bytes
and when you are talking about bits, you have
to spell it out in full. eg 8Kibits = 8kiB =
8192 bytes.
Hence, if one were following the modern SI
conventions, a 20,000,000,000 byte drive would
indeed be 20GB - but *should* be called an
18.6GiB drive to fit with SI standards.
Anonymous Coward, you are correct on both counts. Since nobody has bothered to mod you up, I am responding so those browsing at 1 don't miss your post.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
http://www.apple.com/ipod/pdf/iPod_FAQ-a.pdf
Q. Since iPod doubles as a FireWire hard drive, can I also start up my Mac
using iPod?
A. Yes, iPod can be with preloaded with system software and used to start up your Mac or to
install system software on your Mac. However, Apple does not support this feature.
holy shit. after reading the faq on this little thing... i want one now more than before.
Yes, EVERY SINGLE PERSON will want this when they realize what they can do. and they'll gladly pay $400 for the privalage. sure.
ReadThe ReflectionEngine, a cyberpunk style n
IBM drives? Someone file a class action suit against Western Digital. Jesus H. Christ, I've never seen so many drives fail. Their Caviar series is good only for removing the platters and *serving* caviar on them.
;)
Glad I decided to be a cheap ass and get a 60GB instead of a 75GB IBM though.
iPod: It's no match for the iBrator.
Microsoft is anti-competative. In other news, the sky is blue.
RIAA doesn't want to hack your computers. Also, according to their website, they want people to use mp3s and make backups of their music and play it everywhere they want to. WOW!
Macs are great, cuz you can do deep, intuitive modifications of every part of the OS, from the layout of dialog boxes to the language of menus just by screwing around with various resource forks
Of course, you can do the same thing in windows...
ReadThe ReflectionEngine, a cyberpunk style n
Also, if you copy an MP3 to it, it's permanently deleted from your hard drive so you cannot listen to it again. As well, iTunes calls up the RIAA to tell them what you copied.
Also iTunes only lets you make MP3's at the 16 kbit level. It's limited like that because Macs have only one mouse button.
I've got a dead 75GXP, only unlike everyone else, I seem to be very much out of luck. IBM won't replace the drive because my drive is actually an OEM Dell part. I had no way of knowing this when I bought it from a retailer on pricewatch. Unfortunately, that was a year ago, and I haven't a CLUE who the retailer is. I have no proof of purchase that I can locate, which is stupid of me, I realize. Regardless, I have a failed drive from the Hungarian plant and feel like IBM should replace the drive... It's probably silly, but I feel much better than there's a class action lawsuit. Doesn't matter to me what comes of it, it just makes me feel better. Not logical, I realize.
First hand account of the iPod:
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http://www.macaddict.com/cgi-bin/storypage.cgi?st
From the article:
" Breakout!: I'm pretty sure I'm the first one who found this, even though I found it by accident. If you select "About" from the main menu, then hold the center button for a couple seconds, a mini breakout game appears on the screen. That's what I call an easter egg!"
This probably means you could do a lot more with this than first appears.
When you plug an iPod into a Mac it brings up iTunes and gives you three options of how to transfer files. The first two give you the option to update the iPod to mirror all the music on your Mac or just certain playlists and replace all other music. You should select one of these options when connecting the iPod to your primary Mac.
When you plug the iPod into a seconday/freind's Mac that you want to transfer files onto, you should select the "Manual Mode" where you can drag and drop files between the iPod and the computer.
There are also some myths going around that you have to put the files on in FireWire mode and they won't be playable, or that you must change the extensions and archive them, or that the iPod encrypts/modifies the files so you cannot both play and transfer them. These are, indeed, myths.
Here is the exact wording from the FAQ (my emphasis):
Q. How do I transfer music between iTunes and iPod?
A. iPod offers three ways to transfer music from your iTunes 2 music library. You can select one of the following update modes from the iPod Preferences menu in iTunes:
- Update all music automatically. This is the default mode, in which iTunes copies your entire music library, including playlists, to iPod when you connect it to your Mac and deletes songson iPod that are not listed in iTunes. If your iTunes library exceeds the iPod storage capacity, it prompts you to select a different update method.
- Update selected playlists. With this option, iTunes automatically copies selected playlists to iPod whenever you connect to your Mac, and the songs on iPod that are not in the selected iTunes playlists are deleted.
- Update manually. You can also choose to transfer music to iPod manually. This enables you to drag and drop songs and playlists between iTunes and iPod, transferring music from one place to the other.
And later in the FAQ:
To transfer music between your computers, or to add songs to iPod from both systems, you can selectively drag and drop songs, albums, or playlists between iPod and either computer using the manual update mode.
And of course the capacity of the iPod is 5GB not 10GB (as the slashback said) and it uses a 1.8" drive not a standard laptop drive (as many posters have assumed; the whole device is smaller than a laptop drive!). Both comments about the iPod in the slashback article are false. I hope this helps to stem the flood of misinformation ;)
"Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity" -Alvy Ray Smith
An open letter to the RIAA.
Regarding the RIAA press release on the anti-terrorism bill, unfortunately, the RIAA deserves the negative sentiment that they get. Further, they deserve the intense scrutiny that they now get whenever they decide to try to lobby for anything politically.
The reason why is alluded to in their very own press release. In the conclusion, they castigate the ones who have blamed them for "something that they haven't done", saying that they are willing to answer for activities that they _have_ done. Do they believe that their "work for hire" provision has been forgotten? This scrutiny is a direct result of that. In this very press release they hint at "technical measures" that they are about to take, but don't mention anything specifically.
Well, those who intelligently follow the news, especially news related to this, can read between the lines. Those that are technically savvy, probably their largest critics, understand what those provisions really mean. Those same critics are also the ones who understand best why this is such an important time to oppose legislation that they are trying to add: Anything with the name "Terrorism" on it is legislation that can pass without any debate. Debate is sorely needed, especially with provisions that the RIAA adds, as shown by their prior actions, ones that they claim are "fair game".
There is a simple way to explain why the RIAA is being vilified for something "They haven't done." Those that watch them carefully, the musicians groups and privacy groups who have been so sorely harmed by their greed in the past (specifically shown by the "work for hire" provisions) are not going to just react, as they have before, they will act. They will stop them beforehand because they understand what their moves really mean.
The RIAA seems to believe that these groups do not understand the aporism "Cheat me once, shame on you, Cheat me twice, shame on me." Do you think that they'll pull their finger again? Not this time.
At least when it comes to transporting files in a portable device, those seem more practical that the iPod. Of course, they don't have an MP3 player.
Is this similar to the SD scheme? Does the iPod look like a standard FireWire drive or does it use a special protocol?
The iPod has a 5 GB hard drive. Check out the Apple page. Also note that Fujitsu (the HD maker) only makes a 2 GB and a 5 GB version of the drive. It is also interesting that the 5 GB version has a street price of $400 - equal to that of the iPod in which it is encased!
The iPod can be used as a FireWire storage device, and songs loaded onto it (via iTunes or manually) can be copied off of it manually onto any computer. If connected to another Mac running iTunes, the songs will not be automatically sync'd as they would be on the "primary" computer. The rudimentary "copy protection" if it can even be called that, just prevents iTunes from automatically dumping the entire HD onto any Mac that it is plugged into. Also note that, although Apple doesn't tell you this, it can be used with a PC. Just plug it into your FireWire port (ok, IEEE1394 port), and dump songs onto it just like any hard drive. The files can then be manually imported as sound files through the iPod's GUI.
You can copy an entire CD worth of MP3 files (i.e. about 74 minutes worth of music) in 10 seconds, not 1 minute as stated in your "correction".
What's with all this Apple-bashing? Even this so-called correction grossly misrepresents the facts in a way that casts Apple and this amazing little (overpriced) product in a horrible light. (Copy protection my ass. Which computer maker brought DVD burning to the masses? Apple did. Long live Apple.
Ok, this is probably a bit offtopic, but the search is so horrible and broken I can't find the original topic. It dealt with a question about memory as a disk drive. Lo and behold, our CIO, a gadget junky if there ever was one, got his hands on a Pen Drive from Frys (an evil store in Silicon Valley we turn to as a last resort) with 64 Meg of flash RAM. You install the little driver on whichever systems you want to use it on and it plugs in through a USB port. Here's what amazed me... they actually have it working for Win98 forward, Linux, and Mac OS (dunno about OSX, check it yourself at the link above) Sizes are supposed to be up to 1 Gig, tho I've only seen vendors for the smaller capacity drives. Since it's flash it doesn't need a battery. 64Meg about $84 bucks.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Give me a break, the point isn't "why would someone want this", the point is Microsoft will REVOKE YOUR LICENSE if you do. Big difference.
You go buy your Windows only box, and when I set up boxes for my whole extended family I'll be buying only boxen that dual(or quad maybe) boot.
Unfortuneatly I can't do that even though there are several OEM's who'd love to sell systems to me in that configuration. Why? Because Microsoft charges 3 times as much for every windows copy to any organization who installs windows to dual boot on any box, which was the whole point of that guys article...
Add to this the fact that if I buy a laptop, I'm forced to pay more (by going with a small shop), or pay the "microsoft tax" for a license to Windows I will never use, and can't get a refund for.
So, don't be surprised if I *don't bother* when it comes to using or supporting Windows.
Ok, according to the iPod FAQ, the iPod runs in two modes: The music playing mode (transfered to via iTunes 2.0) and the FireWire hard drive mode. If you transfer an MP3 to the iPod with the purpose of playing it through the headphones, ala a playback device, you can not recopy that MP3 file back to the computer. If you transfer the MP3 in the FireWire harddrive mode, ala a storage device, under MacOS mounted as a FireWire drive, you can copy as many times as you'd like, you just wouldn't have access to it in the playlist. This is all part of the SCMS/DCMA mess that has come about, hope this clarifies it...
anderson1077@no-spam-yahoo.com
Well, assuming that there's more to the iPod than meets the eye, where's the peer to peer functionality that Firewire is reknown for? iPod owners ought to be able to "sponge" mp3 files from any other iPod with a mere firewire hookup, and a little app that "assimilates" any files that aren't already there. RIAA be damned, get a firewire hub and have a aural orgy with your friends!
Hold on while I pull your head out of Steve Job's ass.
Basically, the iPod can either play or transport files.
It can do both at the same time.
Files put into the player via iTunes synch cannot be removed back onto a computer...
Bzzt ... Yes they can. From the Apple faq
To transfer music between your computers, or to add songs to iPod from both systems, you can selectively drag and drop songs, albums, or playlists between iPod and either computer using the manual update mode.
Steve M
Heh... Apple's FAQ says you can boot a Mac from iPod.. cool!
Another thing... windows support FW disks so I see no reason why this shouldn't work on Windows.
If you transfer an MP3 to the iPod with the purpose of playing it through the headphones, ala a playback device, you can not recopy that MP3 file back to the computer.
From the Apple faq
Q. I have a computer at home and one at work. Can I update my iPod music collection from more than one Mac?
...
To transfer music between your computers, or to add songs to iPod from both systems, you can selectively drag and drop songs, albums, or playlists between iPod and either computer using the manual update mode.
Steve M
And to think I was teh only disgruntled NJB owner *g*, Yeah verily have you summed up Cre*tive's blunderful tr*sh toy. It's not what it used to be, at all!
Good luck to the iPod, I'll read the user's reviews in a month's time before I rip it to pieces on hearsay...
G..
Go to the vaunted FAQ again...
So strange how much misinformation is floating about.
-Trout
You know, after the first 10,000 people posted saying the iPOD was 5 gigs and not 10 you figured everyone would have gotten the point. Geeze the poor guy who posted that probably has killed himself over it by now.
That's exactly what happened with my 20 GB IBM 75GXP. For some reason the drive motor doesn't start up and all you get is a clicking sound. I managed to get it to work by gently knocking on the HD, which gave me an opportunity to back up the data to a fresh drive. It's actually worked fine since, but I just use it for temporary storage.
READY.
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Misinformation for Turds. 1) iPod has a 5 GB HDD. Not 10 GB. 2) iPod can upload music files to iTunes (Music folder.) Auto-Sync only works from iTunes-->iPod, but from within iTunes, you can drag songs from iPod to your iTunes library. 3) The above has nothing to do with FireWire Disk Mode...which I presume is the one aspect of iPod that is compatible with Windows, and even dumber devices like a Nikon D1X or a MiniDV camcorder. 4) I know this has all already been said, but it hasn't been said enough.
you can sync with more than one computer, and its only 5GB
http://www.apple.com/ipod/itunes.html
Updating your iPod music collection
Say you have a Mac at home and another at school or work. You can update your iPod music collection from either Mac. When you first connect iPod with your Mac, iPod recognizes it as your primary computer. From then on, it automatically updates your music on iPod to match the music library on that computer. When connecting to a different Mac, a dialog box asks if you want to link your iPod with this new iTunes Library making it your new primary computer.
there's only 2 things really wrong with the iPod:
a) price -- I think the price is mainly set by the cost of the 1.8" drive it uses (as opposed to the cheaper and physically larger 2.5" drives in laptops and the nomad). Hopefully the cost of these drives drops and the cost of the iPod does too. If it was $100 cheaper I'd seriously consider getting one.
b) doesn't play OGG encoded music. the iPod has an updatable firmware so they can add other formats, hopefully ogg is added next.
on the plus side it does NOT play WMA encoded music!
Spin: What we wanted to do was legal under current law, we just wanted to keep our rights, we proposed a 'patch'
Fact: What they wanted to do should have been illegal anyways, but they also wanted to escape any civil penalties for possibly trashing thousands of computers.
Spin: Earlier quote is "It didn't make it into the Senate bill, So the great work of the Senate staff to fix this unintentional problem didn't get through."
Fact: The amendments presented by the RIAA were firmly rebuked by the Hill staffers, some of whom called it the "RIAA's License to Virus."
Spin: It leaves out any rejection of the first attempts to submit an amendment and says "Ultimately, the Senate staff figured out a way to change their original provision to eliminate its unintended effect"
Fact: After the first defeat "...the association's lobbyists will focus on a possible conference committee..." (earlier news item) In other words, the Senate staff figured out a way with the help of the RIAA's lobbyists.
Did anyone else have problems logging in and staying logged into this bloody site? It took me three logins, one login reset, and a couple of visits to yahoo to get a password to this f@!%ing site.
And after all of that, I wasn't even able to view any results from other users, only those that I'd entered myself.
Friggin' riggin' jiggin' ...
:wq
By definition this kind of database will only intensify the ancedotal nature of many hardware complaints, because such a database is merely the collection of ancedotes! Not to say it wouldn't be helpful, but it does nothing to add a scientific sampling of error rates. It will give a "feel" for particular hardware...so I'll probably use it (I'm not a scientist).
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
First of all, mp3 decoding is done through basically synthesising waves according to the (lossy) information being used, and outputting them as 16 bit 44.1K audio in the vast majority of cases.
mp3 audio is inherently lower quality than 16/44 (some other formats like WMA or 'mp3pro' are even more blatantly inaccurate, making up data out of the blue) and so, to my knowledge, the most common approach has been to just cast the resulting sample values to an int or something, which is the same as truncation of the value. This results in quantization distortion, and since it's just lousy mp3, who cares?
However, it is possible to decode mp3 to 24-bit resolution and up- and this is where it appears Apple's approach to these things gets interesting. My own experience with this started when I got iTunes running on a MacOS 8.6 system- before then, there was no chance of running iTunes, and I'd been using other means of playing mp3s, like SoundApp, which remains a nifty program but didn't prepare me for what I was going to hear from iTunes.
Briefly, I do audio mastering work, and have very high resolution audio gear coming off my Mac- and here's the deal- I started playing tunes off iTunes, and was very startled to hear them playing with a depth and dimensionality that I was totally unaccustomed to. The sound was more 3D than 2D, despite the mp3 sources. Why?
For a possible answer you might look here, at some tests done with 24-bit mp3 decoding libraries, and consider Apple's background in pro audio. Put simply, it's my suspicion that iTunes is decoding to 24 bit or 32-bit floating point, and dithering the result to 16 bits for the sound output DACs. This is a substantially more sophisticated approach than the usual 'mp3 is cheesy anyway' direct truncation, and it yields considerably better sound. I can't get direct confirmation of this by citing iTunes source, as iTunes is closed source- so I linked to a 24 bit decoder review page to drive home the point that this technology is out there and in use.
What does this have to do with iPod? Easy- what iTunes can do in software, iPod can do in embedded hardware. I think it would be a good idea to analyze the performance of iPod compared to other mp3 playing portables- and see whether iPod is pioneering high-resolution mp3 decoding and dithering in a portable. This can be measured: the noise floor will be different and up to 20 db lower compared to simple truncation! It is also likely to sound distinctly different as well- high-quality headphones might make this equally obvious.
Just thought I'd raise the issue, since the Register has apparently commented that it sounds nice, and I've had similar observations about iTunes... the _character_ of the improvement in sound is very much resolution domain stuff, and Winamp users can apparently get an example of this type of sound through a 24-bit MAD mp3 library plugin. If my hunch is correct, Apple are already routinely doing this in their products to get a more 'high-end' sound, including iPod- and it may be a first in mp3 portables. More research (by someone who _can_ just run out and buy a Nomad and an iPod and start measuring them ;) ) is indicated :)
and how pray tell will you get the information _off_ the CD that quickly? Have you got an l33t 1000x CDROM someplace?
Oh, and you probably want to encode the CD, too.
Yeah, they all (still) have the right to try and invade citizen's computers. Great.
"But somehow, it became a story that we were looking for special new powers to hack into personal computers."
Nope, just keeping an already existing loop-hole open, in case you ever decide to use it.
"It's one thing to be criticized for what we do - that's fair game. But to be vilified for what we don't do - that's very disheartening."
Like accusing everyone who can copy music that they have and will copy music? Yeah, it sucks to be assumed guilty, don't it?
Those who fail to understand communication protocols, are doomed to repeat them over port 80.
Well, i'm disappointed. If it wasn't Mac only, then they'd have a highly desirable product, instead they have a very nice but no use to the majority of the people product.
Argh. Maybe Sony will see the light and allow this to play MP3's. When the 1 gig Sony Memory Stick comes out this would be a very sweet albeit expensive player. But Sony being Sony means that won't happen.
So, I'm sorry Apple, but i'm going to predict this is going to be a flop. You've limited your potential market to those people that own a Mac. Based on my (admitidally limited) survey of the office, that means about one person in fourty.
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ummm.... Mac users *do* run a Unix as their desktop operating system now.
As soon as someone can get this thing to accept MP3s from a PeeCee running Windoze and/or Linux
If, as other posters have suggested, the iPod is an IEEE 1394-compliant external storage device, it may be possible to use generic Windows drivers with it. (This is how the USB Zip drives work.)
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Ok, the iPod just went a few notches in my coolness book. Hold down the center button for a few seconds and up pops a game of Breakout. Pictcures are at: http://www.macitynet.it/macity/archivio/ipodpresen tation.shtml
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Trying to figure out how parent got modded off-topic...
This is in fact true, IMHO -- IBM was the only company that I can think of with the clout to load OS/2 along with Windows, and even they weren't doing it for very long.
/Brian
(going back to my statistics/business classes) Companies decide that they can afford X number of warranty returns per year. They then check the frequency of failure of their devices over a test period. A nice little statistical crunch later and they know how long to make the warranty to get only X number of returns.
Best way to increase the warranty period? Make the products last longer. I'm sure the iPod will have far fewer warranty returns than the Nomad.
The model number for the drive is MK5002MPL, and there are two vendors that list it on Pricewatch - one at $332+8 and one at $364+9. It's probably available elsewhere as well.
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What you say would sugest that it could work as an storage device for PCs (Winblows or Linsucks).
For what I have read so far the player can't access MP3 files in the storage area, and the "music" area is only accesible with the iTunes software in a Mac.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
iPod supports most of the popular audio formats, including MP3 (from 32 Kbps to 320 Kbps), MP3 Variable Bit Rate (VBR), AIFF, and WAV. Upgradable firmware enables support for future audio formats.
I think the first iPod hacking effort should be to program in OGG support... I wouldn't hold my breath for Apple to provide that.
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The iPod will transfer music from one mac to another either from Firewire disk mode, or by setting both macs' iTunes to control the iPod in manual mode. We loaded some mp3's onto ours, moved to the next mac, and iTunes 2 let us copy them to the library (click and drag), and play them after removing the iPod. They might change this by the comercial release. Of course, the firewire disk mode is completely file agnostic.
The whole "unique iPod ID" thing seems only for keeping individual prefs for each iPod on each mac, so that you can have bob's playlists, and mary's playlists on each machine, change them locally, then have the iPod take all the appropriate playlists from both machines each time you sync
If that is what they are hoping for they got it wrong, nobody will buy a full system just to play music.
I hope they reconsider and make it available for Winblows/Linux (heck, just publish the interfacing aspects, the hackers will take care of the rest. they will anyway, Apple could make it easier and get a lot of Karma).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
This article about a presentation by Apple Italy shows that the iPod plays the classic "Breakout" game after holding a button for a few seconds (see the second page). Can it only be a matter of time before a plethora of simple apps run on this thing?
I prayed about it, and God said, "Don't do it!" But I thought, "I know better."
Q. What audio formats does iPod support?
A. iPod supports most of the popular audio formats, includin MP3 (from 32Kbps to 320Kbps), MP3 Variable Bit Rate (VBR), AIFF, and WAV. Upgradable firmware enables support for future audio formats.
I read somewhere that
Oh...for shame...
.... never buy anything ending with '100' from Apple.
I thought all Apple users knew the rules
[Okay, the PowerMac 7200 had a flakey PCI Bus, and the PowerBook 5400? got the 'extended 7 year warrenty' because just about the whole thing was flakey]
My SE/30, IIci, ClassicII, Centris650, Powerbook 520c all still run fine. [well, as powerful as they ever were...as the newest one's from 1994?5?]
Oh...I've seen a few dozen PM7100's that run like champs, so I guess we can't completely blanket the '100' rule.
For the most part, it's like installing bleeding edge software.... version '6.0.5' sounds so much safer to me than '6.0'
Oh...and to somewhat keep this on topic -- I have a Maxtor 80G firewire drive as we have a restriction on 'no MP3s on work computers', so they're just on a personal peripheral device attached to a work computer. I'm using 2.5G for mp3s, and another 25G for misc. backups. The portability is great, as this would be smaller than the power supply of my firewire drive now [3.5" form factor, needs external power].
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
I think that Dreamcast owners will be familiar with the concept of the iPod as a portable, interactive data storage unit similar to the Dreamcast's VMU, only far more advanced. The VMU would allow you to manage data stored on the card, as well as run small applets such as games. Apple seems to be concentrating on MP3's at the moment, but you can expect other applets to be following soon.
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Look: I'm using Windows 98 second edition, with Windowblinds installed (that is, when I'm not using Linux), and WinAmp. Seriously, there aren't enough new features to make it worth a 1GB install. Mandrake Linux, on the other hand, takes about 1.2GB, and it's fully justified, since I can slim it down to as little as 400MB, and it includes tons of software packages I know I'll use, over 100 fun, playable games, etc. I'm posting as AC this time to avoid losing karma points because someone disagrees with me. It took me a long time to get clear up to 4 points, and now I'm down to just 2! Why on earth were my posts moderated as off-topic? They were completely on the OEM bundling topic.
This is an interesting post. Someone please moderate it back up so people can see it. It is not off-topic, see the section "Unorginal Equipment Manufacturers" in the article. It is fully on-topic with that section.
A solution to the problem with music today
According to a first look at the iPod, it's got a Breakout-style game included as an easter egg. No doubt the ROM is fully programmable, and I expect it to be only a couple of months before programmers have hacked the device to play other games as well, or (which would be very cool) read games from a special file on the hard disk.
An entire CD's worth of songs is clearly what was meant. We are talking about an MP3 player ;)
Step 1 - encode all cds to mp3.
Step 2 - whenever you want, move a cd worth of songs onto your iPod in under a minute.
Step 3 - call NASA and get an entire flight team to help you guide your hands to your ass, you're clearly having problems with this step.
nobody will buy a computer just to play games
nobody will buy a computer just to do email
nobody will buy a WORSE OS just to use MS Office.
stop saying people won't do something stupid. they have b4, they will again.
No supported interface for anything except a Mac! How hard could it be to write a Windows driver? Surely not hard enough neglect 90% of the market! But perhaps the geniuses at Infinite Loop felt that mucking with Win32 code was beneath their dignity. Hey, who cares about making money? As long as we're cool!
The iPod does have size and weight and battery life in its favor. These are amongst the most important features for a handheld device.
The User interface issue simply can't be judged at this point. None of the people blathering on about how great the device is have seen one, let alone used one for any length of time. What they are doing is looking at the clunky demo on the Apple site and extrapolating from what they think the demands they would make of the device would be.
Having used an archos device extensively I really don't consider the user interface to be problematic in any respect whatsoever. The archos device appears as a disk drive. To load files onto the unit you just drag them onto the disk drive. If the copied file is an MP3 the archos device allows it to be played. It can also be copied off the device just like any other file.
In fact the Archos device UI is almost certainly going to be easier to use than the iPod because unlike the iPod the Archos device is not compromised by the clunky copyright management limitations that make the creative labs nomad unit a pig to use.
On the firewire issue, I really see no advantage whatsoever over USB. With 6Gb I don't copy music files onto or off the device very often. In fact I have only got 50 disks ripped so far which takes just over 2Gb so moving the files is pretty much a one time operation. When I do get round to ripping more CDs I would probably buy the 20Gb unit if necessary so I could keep my whole collection with me rather than keep loading and unloading them.
So yes, the firewire is nice but I would not rate it a major plus given my experience of using a similar device.
The major minus of the device is it is designed soley for Apple users. It is an attempt to solidify the Apple computer user base but there is nothing here for non-Apple users as Apple itself admits.
As a result I think the iPod is more likely to be a Newton than a Palm. If I was an Apple shareholder I would be very upset about the iPod. Consumer electronics are a notoriously cut throat business. Development of a peripheral of this complexity that only connects to Apple systems is unlikely to see a return of the investment.
It is a pretty good bet that the iPod will not be a winner. The economics all favor the competition. If the market demand is for a smaller size and a lithium battery then the competition will respond, in the meantime Archos, creative and the rest have a heck of a lot more room for discounting their $250 units than Apple has in their $400 product. Apple can at best sell 5% of the units the competition do - and that if the monopolize the Apple user market which they won't. They just don't have the same ecconomies of scale.
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