It is little wonder that the brightest minds on our planet didn't/don't belive in a God, both Einstein and Stephen Hawking have both said they see no room for such an entity in the universe.
That's really funny, because Einstein's great quote about quantum physics is "God doesn't play dice with the universe." He was also a pretty serious Jew, but other than that, I didn't know him, so I won't speak to his faith.
Your comment is good, but I think you miss the point of the parent's post. The flood in Arizona and Colorado right now would probably help the raging forest fires that I saw on CNN two nights ago.
Off topic, I stayed in a hotel that night and watched satelite TV for the first time in over a year and a half. CNN bored me to death. It's like NOTHING has happened worth talking about in months. How could I have ever been a news junkie way back when?
What is that? UNABLE to shop somewhere else. I want to laugh, but I may cry instead. Yes, Wal-mart put some smaller stores out of business, but the rural Shenandoah valley near my parents thriving farm town of 1500 people has Walmart, oh yeah and a Target, oh yeah and threee malls within a few miles, where everyone REALLY shops on weekends anyways. It will always be that way. Before there was wal-mart, there was Sears. Maybe you could call them a monopoly a hundred years ago in a small town, because they were the only major mail order vendor, but even that is a stretch, I think. There is always one big retailer that corners all of ooooh 20% of the market. That's nowhere near a monopoly. Wake up. Shop somewhere else. Write a letter to those magazines and CDs produced by the media companies that you hate so much about why they can produce a cover for one state, but can't produce a Wal-Mart cover and have to change every magazine. (You know what? WM gets most of the press, but the same pressure is on the publishers from most major retailers)
First of all, I think this whole thread is useless, but, even so, you have more DISPOSABLE income than the parents do, but the parents will, on average, have MORE INCOME than you, and it's not disposable only because they're spending it all on their children at, oh, say, Wal-Mart. So who would Wal-Mart care more about? You made a choice not to have a car, you make the following choice that shopping is more difficult. (By the way, I also have no car, because the government here taxes autos at more then 100%)
A government-subsidized technology development group, known as the National Electronics and Computer Technology Centre, or Nactec, announced in April that it has developed its own package of open source software for use o n government desktop computers and servers. Linux-SIS (School Internet Server) for servers and Linux TLE (Thai Linux Extension) for desktops are based on the version of the Linux operating system from Red Hat Inc, a Raleigh, North Carolina, software company. Nactec has made the software freely available to government groups and small businesses. The project , government officials said, aims to narrow the gap between pirated software and legal software use, and promote local business development."
I submitted a story on this a while back, so I will elaborate here. The agency is actually NECTEC (not Nactec), and they have developed a Thai language distro. Thai is problematic because of it's eight bit characters, and vowels that can appear in front, behind, above, or below the consonant. Modifying the many English 7 bit centric apps in RH to work with Thai was no small feat. They also have a web page devoted to training ex-windows users. At this point, it is incomplete. This is an attempt to curb the estimated 93% piracy rate in the country. It is causing all kinds of problems with the WTO. This distro has been featured front page in four major computer magazines in the last three months. The general review by all the magazines was that it is good, but shouldn't replace Windows. In a primary example of the poor quality of the reviews, the reviewers were unable to mount their windows partition or change the encoding on a web page in konqueror. I am using this distro right now, but have used the apt-get utility which comes pre-installed to dist-upgrade to RH7.3, and everything still works. Tangentially, Sun has released an all Thai version of open office, called Pladao ("Star Fish") for free, and it is being widely accepted by the mainstream media because it runs on Windows. Solaris and Linux versions are also available. I use this program regularly along with OO 1.0.0 (why the extra 0?) on my machine. It is being written of and reviewed as open source, even though no source is available, so I am confused. I suspect people are confusing OS with "free to use." Thailand is committed to OS, and has computer standard for OS retail machines and advocacy programs in place. The government wants to stop sending so much of its meager supply of cash to the west.
I disagree. Money is a POOR reason to do anything. I make a third of what I made three years ago and am significantly happier ( and have a beatiful young woman rape me when I come home every night ).
The article is unrechable right now, so excuse me if I repeat it or any other work that I have never read.
First of all, I think the service model for software is great. It will tend to create smaller, more maneuverable businesses without the enormous overhead of large corporations. That said, I also think that the service model has an inherent flaw in the user interaction. Proprietary software is paid for up front, and so the vendor wants as little service time as possible (for consumer level software). This means that the UI, installation, etc... is tweaked to be as easy as possible. A service oriented business does not make that money up front, and so doesn't want to minimize that service time. It seems rather a disincentive to build easy to install software with a simple UI if the service method is being used.
I'm sure that my flawed logic will be pointed out to me in short order.
Man, and I just started to get some karma, too, and I gotta go opening my mouth like that!
I'm a regular member of both the K12LTSP and LTSP mailing lists (and have been for over two years) and the K12LTSP.org website is THE place to go for information on this. I run a small lab, but some guys on the list are doing 300-600 clients at public high schools. We're talking productivity software, not programming classes. The distro comes standard with a RH7.3 base, LTSP pre-configured, openoffice1.0, mozilla, icewm with themes for the Windows impaired, and a rdesktop. Oh yeah -- sound and floppy support on the clients, as well, which can be fairly tricky to configure. All this for the measly price of about 50 Mb RAM / client on the server(s). OpenMosix is even an easy option with this stuff. Check out the web site
I was joking. ME was capitalized, and often refers to Windows ME, which I claim is not efficient. I have been a Linux user for about 5 years, but I'm not a sysadmin, or I might use a *BSD. I fully support your right to choose -- as long as it's not ME! hehe
this quote:"Unfortunately, this means that TransGaming will not be able to take advantage of future enhancements to Wine made by other developers, and the Wine project will not get any of the work done by TransGaming. Realistically, they had very little choice, since the majority of Windows games use copy-protection. The Wine project will continue as usual at winehq" upset me as blatently untrue. So licensing problems now limit TG from taking the Wine code (but they already have plenty), but they can give back plenty if they want too. Maybe not the copy-protection section, but certainly everything else. They DO have a choice, and they made it.
I use neither product, for the record.
Probably, if fact, it's the drivers, not hardware. I used to run a Via socket 7 chipset that wouldn't boot windows with an AGP card. Hardware problem? Maybe in part, but the same hardware setup would run under Linux with no problem, and VMWare without a hitch. Ultimately, the problem for that setup was the driver-Windows interaction. Which do you blame?
I assume you are commenting on my sig. It's a joke. I live in Thailand, and m salary of about US$10000-14000 puts me in the top 5%, maybe higher. Anyway, I'm consistently in the top bracket of any form I fill out. Upshot is, I've got women begging to have sex with me. I get hit on at least twice a day by women ten years younger than me. Oh, and a nice house with a maid.
Like I said, it's supposed to be a joke.
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That's kind of what I was saying, and why the whole thing pisses me off a little (I don't really use any wine and I never play anything but like video poker or majhong ). Winex took a whole heapin' spoonful of Wine to start their project, but won't give back the new stuff they're working on unless they get something in return. Just rubs me the wrong way. I see it as overly greedy. Until they give back a million lines of code I don't think they should be dictating terms. But, hey, that's me. YMMV
Bison > herd... No, cats would be Gnu/PREID = PRIED of Recognized Extensible Idioms for DOS -- PRIED = PREID of Recognized Idiomatic Extensibles for DOS. We have here what I believe to be the first pair of mutually recursive acronyms for DOS. check out the webpage at http://smt.gnu.preid.cz (and close your eyes, because those cat guys....)
I thought that NT began as a microkernel, but, over the years, has had so much stuffed into it that it no longer is. I read this information on./,though, so its accuracy is suspect from the start.
I'm not trolling here (really). I see this post a lot (and having used Debian, mostly agree), but also see the "other" post from Debian users at about the same frequency. You know the one: next time there's a brand new version of something out, it'll sound like "I'm still waiting for this to come out in.deb. Oh! What will I do?" I like Debian, and the only reason I don't use it is because of language specific issues, but there always seems to be some whitewashing going on with it.
2. The big deal is, that this is possible, and even routine. Can you imagine anything even remotely similar in the Windows world? Microsoft establishes (and modifies) the WSB regularly... by holding 95% of the desktop market.
pooling resources and avoiding duplication of effort (very apt-get to the Open Source philosophy)
I thought the Open Source philosophy (by emperical method) was "I'm going to write a new mp3/ogg ripper, but mine's going to be in Lisp!"
0 to 7 in 127 comments, and I think I burned it all with this one. heh.
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To quote you:"they cannot incorporate any contributions to the LGPL'd tree without following the LGPL license agreement, which, I believe, would force them to put their source tree under the LGPL also."
They can GIVE anything they want. They can't, however, take without jeopardizing their license.
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dammit--I was trying to hit preview, not submit: excuse the glaring typos, please.
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That has got to be utter BS. If they took their source from an X11 license, then they can keep their source under X11, or they could move it all to LGPL, or GPl, no? From the X11 license (coutesy of X.org): "Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, provided that the above copyright notice(s) and this permission notice appear in all copies of the Software and that both the above copyright notice(s) and this permission notice appear in supporting documentation." So, Transgaming COULD give their source back to a LGPL'd wine, but the Wine Project can't be siphoned for Wine-x. I, personally, would think that the million or so lines of code that Wine "gave" over to Wine-x through their less restrictive license would have been enough for a quid-pro-quo, but apparently Transgaming doesn't feel that way.
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You know what? I, personally, think that Debian should go ahead and package their CVS. Not because I plan to use it, though. It will force the issue, and if Transgaming closes the CVS, then everyone will understand their motives and act as their concience dictates, while, if they don't, people will likely give them less grief (and I doubt they'll lose any real subscribers over it, either) Right now everyone is in this churning, burning, middle ground. Bad place to be...bad.
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It is little wonder that the brightest minds on our planet didn't/don't belive in a God, both Einstein and Stephen Hawking have both said they see no room for such an entity in the universe. That's really funny, because Einstein's great quote about quantum physics is "God doesn't play dice with the universe." He was also a pretty serious Jew, but other than that, I didn't know him, so I won't speak to his faith.
Your comment is good, but I think you miss the point of the parent's post. The flood in Arizona and Colorado right now would probably help the raging forest fires that I saw on CNN two nights ago. Off topic, I stayed in a hotel that night and watched satelite TV for the first time in over a year and a half. CNN bored me to death. It's like NOTHING has happened worth talking about in months. How could I have ever been a news junkie way back when?
What is that? UNABLE to shop somewhere else. I want to laugh, but I may cry instead. Yes, Wal-mart put some smaller stores out of business, but the rural Shenandoah valley near my parents thriving farm town of 1500 people has Walmart, oh yeah and a Target, oh yeah and threee malls within a few miles, where everyone REALLY shops on weekends anyways. It will always be that way. Before there was wal-mart, there was Sears. Maybe you could call them a monopoly a hundred years ago in a small town, because they were the only major mail order vendor, but even that is a stretch, I think. There is always one big retailer that corners all of ooooh 20% of the market. That's nowhere near a monopoly. Wake up. Shop somewhere else. Write a letter to those magazines and CDs produced by the media companies that you hate so much about why they can produce a cover for one state, but can't produce a Wal-Mart cover and have to change every magazine. (You know what? WM gets most of the press, but the same pressure is on the publishers from most major retailers)
First of all, I think this whole thread is useless, but, even so, you have more DISPOSABLE income than the parents do, but the parents will, on average, have MORE INCOME than you, and it's not disposable only because they're spending it all on their children at, oh, say, Wal-Mart. So who would Wal-Mart care more about? You made a choice not to have a car, you make the following choice that shopping is more difficult. (By the way, I also have no car, because the government here taxes autos at more then 100%)
from the article:
"Thailand:
A government-subsidized technology development group, known as the National Electronics and Computer Technology Centre, or Nactec, announced in April that it has developed its own package of open source software for use o n government desktop computers and servers. Linux-SIS (School Internet Server) for servers and Linux TLE (Thai Linux Extension) for desktops are based on the version of the Linux operating system from Red Hat Inc, a Raleigh, North Carolina, software company. Nactec has made the software freely available to government groups and small businesses. The project , government officials said, aims to narrow the gap between pirated software and legal software use, and promote local business development."
I submitted a story on this a while back, so I will elaborate here. The agency is actually NECTEC (not Nactec), and they have developed a Thai language distro. Thai is problematic because of it's eight bit characters, and vowels that can appear in front, behind, above, or below the consonant. Modifying the many English 7 bit centric apps in RH to work with Thai was no small feat. They also have a web page devoted to training ex-windows users. At this point, it is incomplete.
This is an attempt to curb the estimated 93% piracy rate in the country. It is causing all kinds of problems with the WTO. This distro has been featured front page in four major computer magazines in the last three months. The general review by all the magazines was that it is good, but shouldn't replace Windows. In a primary example of the poor quality of the reviews, the reviewers were unable to mount their windows partition or change the encoding on a web page in konqueror. I am using this distro right now, but have used the apt-get utility which comes pre-installed to dist-upgrade to RH7.3, and everything still works.
Tangentially, Sun has released an all Thai version of open office, called Pladao ("Star Fish") for free, and it is being widely accepted by the mainstream media because it runs on Windows. Solaris and Linux versions are also available. I use this program regularly along with OO 1.0.0 (why the extra 0?) on my machine. It is being written of and reviewed as open source, even though no source is available, so I am confused. I suspect people are confusing OS with "free to use."
Thailand is committed to OS, and has computer standard for OS retail machines and advocacy programs in place. The government wants to stop sending so much of its meager supply of cash to the west.
Little? I buy virtually anything I want, and have a full time maid.
I disagree. Money is a POOR reason to do anything. I make a third of what I made three years ago and am significantly happier ( and have a beatiful young woman rape me when I come home every night ).
The article is unrechable right now, so excuse me if I repeat it or any other work that I have never read. First of all, I think the service model for software is great. It will tend to create smaller, more maneuverable businesses without the enormous overhead of large corporations. That said, I also think that the service model has an inherent flaw in the user interaction. Proprietary software is paid for up front, and so the vendor wants as little service time as possible (for consumer level software). This means that the UI, installation, etc... is tweaked to be as easy as possible. A service oriented business does not make that money up front, and so doesn't want to minimize that service time. It seems rather a disincentive to build easy to install software with a simple UI if the service method is being used. I'm sure that my flawed logic will be pointed out to me in short order. Man, and I just started to get some karma, too, and I gotta go opening my mouth like that!
I'm a regular member of both the K12LTSP and LTSP mailing lists (and have been for over two years) and the K12LTSP.org website is THE place to go for information on this. I run a small lab, but some guys on the list are doing 300-600 clients at public high schools. We're talking productivity software, not programming classes. The distro comes standard with a RH7.3 base, LTSP pre-configured, openoffice1.0, mozilla, icewm with themes for the Windows impaired, and a rdesktop. Oh yeah -- sound and floppy support on the clients, as well, which can be fairly tricky to configure. All this for the measly price of about 50 Mb RAM / client on the server(s). OpenMosix is even an easy option with this stuff. Check out the web site
Clue... is that a shared lib?
I was joking. ME was capitalized, and often refers to Windows ME, which I claim is not efficient. I have been a Linux user for about 5 years, but I'm not a sysadmin, or I might use a *BSD. I fully support your right to choose -- as long as it's not ME! hehe
I am going to use whatever I think works best and most efficiently for ME on my machine ME is anything but best and efficient. ;)
this quote:"Unfortunately, this means that TransGaming will not be able to take advantage of future enhancements to Wine made by other developers, and the Wine project will not get any of the work done by TransGaming. Realistically, they had very little choice, since the majority of Windows games use copy-protection. The Wine project will continue as usual at winehq" upset me as blatently untrue. So licensing problems now limit TG from taking the Wine code (but they already have plenty), but they can give back plenty if they want too. Maybe not the copy-protection section, but certainly everything else. They DO have a choice, and they made it. I use neither product, for the record.
Probably, if fact, it's the drivers, not hardware. I used to run a Via socket 7 chipset that wouldn't boot windows with an AGP card. Hardware problem? Maybe in part, but the same hardware setup would run under Linux with no problem, and VMWare without a hitch. Ultimately, the problem for that setup was the driver-Windows interaction. Which do you blame?
I assume you are commenting on my sig. It's a joke. I live in Thailand, and m salary of about US$10000-14000 puts me in the top 5%, maybe higher. Anyway, I'm consistently in the top bracket of any form I fill out. Upshot is, I've got women begging to have sex with me. I get hit on at least twice a day by women ten years younger than me. Oh, and a nice house with a maid. Like I said, it's supposed to be a joke.
That's kind of what I was saying, and why the whole thing pisses me off a little (I don't really use any wine and I never play anything but like video poker or majhong ). Winex took a whole heapin' spoonful of Wine to start their project, but won't give back the new stuff they're working on unless they get something in return. Just rubs me the wrong way. I see it as overly greedy. Until they give back a million lines of code I don't think they should be dictating terms. But, hey, that's me. YMMV
Bison > herd ... No, cats would be Gnu/PREID = PRIED of Recognized Extensible Idioms for DOS -- PRIED = PREID of Recognized Idiomatic Extensibles for DOS. We have here what I believe to be the first pair of mutually recursive acronyms for DOS. check out the webpage at http://smt.gnu.preid.cz (and close your eyes, because those cat guys....)
I thought that NT began as a microkernel, but, over the years, has had so much stuffed into it that it no longer is. I read this information on ./,though, so its accuracy is suspect from the start.
I'm not trolling here (really). I see this post a lot (and having used Debian, mostly agree), but also see the "other" post from Debian users at about the same frequency. You know the one: next time there's a brand new version of something out, it'll sound like "I'm still waiting for this to come out in .deb. Oh! What will I do?" I like Debian, and the only reason I don't use it is because of language specific issues, but there always seems to be some whitewashing going on with it.
2. The big deal is, that this is possible, and even routine. Can you imagine anything even remotely similar in the Windows world? ... by holding 95% of the desktop market.
Microsoft establishes (and modifies) the WSB regularly
pooling resources and avoiding duplication of effort (very apt-get to the Open Source philosophy)
I thought the Open Source philosophy (by emperical method) was "I'm going to write a new mp3/ogg ripper, but mine's going to be in Lisp!" 0 to 7 in 127 comments, and I think I burned it all with this one. heh.To quote you:"they cannot incorporate any contributions to the LGPL'd tree without following the LGPL license agreement, which, I believe, would force them to put their source tree under the LGPL also." They can GIVE anything they want. They can't, however, take without jeopardizing their license.
dammit--I was trying to hit preview, not submit: excuse the glaring typos, please.
That has got to be utter BS. If they took their source from an X11 license, then they can keep their source under X11, or they could move it all to LGPL, or GPl, no?
From the X11 license (coutesy of X.org):
"Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a
copy of this software and associated documentation files (the
"Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including
without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
distribute, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons
to whom the Software is furnished to do so, provided that the above
copyright notice(s) and this permission notice appear in all copies of
the Software and that both the above copyright notice(s) and this
permission notice appear in supporting documentation."
So, Transgaming COULD give their source back to a LGPL'd wine, but the Wine Project can't be siphoned for Wine-x. I, personally, would think that the million or so lines of code that Wine "gave" over to Wine-x through their less restrictive license would have been enough for a quid-pro-quo, but apparently Transgaming doesn't feel that way.
You know what? I, personally, think that Debian should go ahead and package their CVS. Not because I plan to use it, though. It will force the issue, and if Transgaming closes the CVS, then everyone will understand their motives and act as their concience dictates, while, if they don't, people will likely give them less grief (and I doubt they'll lose any real subscribers over it, either) Right now everyone is in this churning, burning, middle ground. Bad place to be...bad.