You gotta love a four-digit UID and a five-digit UID slugging it out. Flame on buddy!
More on topic, regarding fly by wire and GPS:
My father was a pilot for forty years, first with fighter Jets (F-8 Crusader II), then helicopters, and finally several passenger jets.
Toward the end of his career, he loved to wear a shirt that said "Real pilots don't type." He told me that his job had degenarated into taking off and landing, and that the rest was just typing in the destination.
What you talking is something like having some default binary kernel version and download the required modules for it. Why on earth would anyone want that ?
I don't want a default binary kernel. I'm not talking about the kernel maintainers, here. I'm saying that Debian, for instance (a binary, not source-based distro) could repackage the now kernel-image-2.6.10-blah-02 into base kernel required for operation, plus optional modules, just as they do for virtually every other package.
What you talking is something like having some default binary kernel version and download the required modules for it. Why on earth would anyone want that ?
So, again, I'm not talking about source. I'm talking about one of the thousands of binary distributions out there, for which there is an obvious demand.
And why would you want to use some binary compiled by someone when you can have a kernel tuned for your specific needs ?
Certainly, if you want to compile your own kernel, you can. I used to do it often, but can honestly say that I haven't needed to for years.
This stands exactly opposite of everything I ever wandered into FOSS land, ever. I wouldn't want any of this, and I'm sure very many people wouldn't want it either.
This is nothing but a change in the way a distribution packages its kernel for distribution and installation. It has no effect on the FOSS community. You can still download the entire kernel from kernel.org or with the patches already applied by your maintainer. You can even manually patch or maintain your own just like you do now.
In fact, it's pretty amazing, that when people don't have a kernel source to tweak [like in windows], they get nervous about it [i.e. the ones who care, not just click], but when there's a source you can compile on your own, and with tools that make your life quite easy - think menuconfig or xconfig - then one just pops up a hand and starts complainging: We have too much freedom, we don't want this !
What a flaming load of BS. I didn't complain about anything. I know how to compile my own kernel. Hell, I've been using Linux for since 1997, so I think that I pretty much had to know how to back then. I am not proposing anything that would take away your freedom to do what you want with your system.
Oh, come on. Sometimes when I read stuff like these above - the original article included - I just feel I am on the wrong track, among the wrong people and should've just learned to be a gardner instead.
Oh, you are on the wrong track, but not for the reasons that you think.
OK. I'll spell it out again in easy to chew bites for you.
You want to install, say, Debian, so you
Insert an install disk and
The new installer configures your hardware for you and install the base kernel (kernel with commonly required modules) plus the packages for any identified hardware which needs extra modules, then
It runs something like depmod -a the register the modules Amazingly, a month later, a bug is found in one of the modules, or your distribution backports some amazing new capability into, say, ipw2200
You update, but instead of your packing program (apt,yum,yast) downloading this: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16605908 2005-04-05 22:55 linux-image-2.6.10-5-686_2.6.10-34_i386.deb
at a whopping 16MB for kernel and ALL modules, it instead
downloads only the new module (at a few thousand bytes), or
in the case of a kernel problem, dowloads the base kernel (1.5M) plus the kernels that you actually use on your machine(~4M)
and the distro maintainer and customer save 9-15M of bandwidth there.
Now, maybe this isn't workable in practice for reasons that I'm not aware of, but it in now way injures anyone's ability to do anything they want with the kernel, including downloading, compiling, patching, ar, hell, even forking it.
Despite being unbelievably cynical (first "another internet loser asking for money" then "don't donate to organizations"), how do you propose donating money directly to "who it helps" (diabetics?) for research to cure a disease. A large project needs a leader, and an individual diabetic isn't going to cure himself.
I'm not a huge fan of Iacocca, but he's probably got juge amounts of money near the end of his life, is broken up about his wife's death, and wants to use that money to make sure others don't go through his pain. He's asking you to be part of that.
You don't have to be. If you don't want to help diabetes research, then fine. If you don't like this particular problem, then fine, too. You can do anything you want with your money, but geez, you should perk up a little and not use lame excuses like "I have heard of charity groups telling hospitals or universities" to destroy the concept of charitable contribution.
Being overly cynical may help you from getting hurt, but it will also take away any joy that you might get from life by, say, thinking "The US$20 that I donated to research ended up helping to save thousands of lives."
On the other hand, if the research goes through successfully, it'll probably just get locked up in patents and made prohibitively expensive by corporations... Maybe you can stay cynical.
While possible, VMWare strongly discourages this. You should not boot from both the actual partition and from VMWare. At the very least, you will have driver differences.
Actually, I like this idea. A distro maintainer packages modules into seperate packages, the install process (net or iso) installs the ones that are necessary for the machine or which the admin instructs it to install, and upgrades with apt, yum, or yast download only the new core kernel and modules needed. It might save a fair amount of bandwidth for the distro maintainer.
That is a real concern, but I suspect that it will be the FAA which gets involved. They won't let millions of people take off and land wherever they please, and the chance that they'll allow it in the future is pretty slim.
I like your suggestion, but I suspect that an Ask Slashdot question phrased that way would mostly get "You want US to do your homework for you? That's what Google is for..." responses. I could be wrong, though.
Because 12 year olds can conceive, but their hips are rarely wide enough to give birht until much later. Before the C-section, many of them would've died in childbirth. That's probably the historical reason for the age of consent being higher (15,16, or 18, depending on where you live in the US)
Compensated how? What was my post's score when you commented. It has been from 0 to 5 and back again a couple of times. I don't need Karma, I don't post to get it. I have been maxed out for about three years now. What do I care about the mods?
I'm the poster that you responded to. Thank you for your well thought out response. I guess this inability to stay on subject, which I commented on, is why I have slowly been weaning myself off Slashdot over the past two years.
Hey, you know what? My comment wasn't defending Christianity (though I do think that, as long as people keep it out of my life, they can do what they want) -- just lamenting the lack of real discussion of this interesting issue. OTOH, there was a nice comment above me, made while I was commenting, which negates my post somewhat. I just don't like to see hate spewed out so much on a tech website about a science story.
Well, if he took it (the free-versioned software) all back, then he didn't really contribute anything, now did he?
(Value of license, $?)*(# of licenses, 0)= $0
That figure doesn't look a lot like $500,000 to me.
Anyway, I believe that you're wrong about how McVoy figured it. In a former interview (the one on Newsforge), Larry claimed that after adding up all the associated costs, he found that the free version cost the company $500,000. What he doesn't say is how he calculated that figure, which is what the post that you flamingly tried to correct was probably pointing out.
You're welcome to check your facts and correct me, if you like.
This insult comes from the user who tries to correct other people's already correct grammar. May the pronunciation gods be harsh on you, as you have been harsh on others.
I have taken your "disable root login" to the next level and created a dummy user account with no real privs, a difficult username, and a random password, from which I must su to a regular user, and then again to root. I feel much safer now.
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You gotta love a four-digit UID and a five-digit UID slugging it out. Flame on buddy!
More on topic, regarding fly by wire and GPS:
My father was a pilot for forty years, first with fighter Jets (F-8 Crusader II), then helicopters, and finally several passenger jets.
Toward the end of his career, he loved to wear a shirt that said "Real pilots don't type." He told me that his job had degenarated into taking off and landing, and that the rest was just typing in the destination.
What you talking is something like having some default binary kernel version and download the required modules for it. Why on earth would anyone want that ?
I don't want a default binary kernel. I'm not talking about the kernel maintainers, here. I'm saying that Debian, for instance (a binary, not source-based distro) could repackage the now kernel-image-2.6.10-blah-02 into base kernel required for operation, plus optional modules, just as they do for virtually every other package.
What you talking is something like having some default binary kernel version and download the required modules for it. Why on earth would anyone want that ?
So, again, I'm not talking about source. I'm talking about one of the thousands of binary distributions out there, for which there is an obvious demand.
And why would you want to use some binary compiled by someone when you can have a kernel tuned for your specific needs ?
Certainly, if you want to compile your own kernel, you can. I used to do it often, but can honestly say that I haven't needed to for years.
This stands exactly opposite of everything I ever wandered into FOSS land, ever. I wouldn't want any of this, and I'm sure very many people wouldn't want it either.
This is nothing but a change in the way a distribution packages its kernel for distribution and installation. It has no effect on the FOSS community. You can still download the entire kernel from kernel.org or with the patches already applied by your maintainer. You can even manually patch or maintain your own just like you do now.
In fact, it's pretty amazing, that when people don't have a kernel source to tweak [like in windows], they get nervous about it [i.e. the ones who care, not just click], but when there's a source you can compile on your own, and with tools that make your life quite easy - think menuconfig or xconfig - then one just pops up a hand and starts complainging: We have too much freedom, we don't want this !
What a flaming load of BS. I didn't complain about anything. I know how to compile my own kernel. Hell, I've been using Linux for since 1997, so I think that I pretty much had to know how to back then. I am not proposing anything that would take away your freedom to do what you want with your system.
Oh, come on. Sometimes when I read stuff like these above - the original article included - I just feel I am on the wrong track, among the wrong people and should've just learned to be a gardner instead.
Oh, you are on the wrong track, but not for the reasons that you think.
OK. I'll spell it out again in easy to chew bites for you.
- You want to install, say, Debian, so you
- Insert an install disk and
- The new installer configures your hardware for you and install the base kernel (kernel with commonly required modules) plus the packages for any identified hardware which needs extra modules, then
- It runs something like depmod -a the register the modules
- You update, but instead of your packing program (apt,yum,yast) downloading this:
- downloads only the new module (at a few thousand bytes), or
- in the case of a kernel problem, dowloads the base kernel (1.5M) plus the kernels that you actually use on your machine(~4M)
- and the distro maintainer and customer save 9-15M of bandwidth there.
Now, maybe this isn't workable in practice for reasons that I'm not aware of, but it in now way injures anyone's ability to do anything they want with the kernel, including downloading, compiling, patching, ar, hell, even forking it.Amazingly, a month later, a bug is found in one of the modules, or your distribution backports some amazing new capability into, say, ipw2200
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16605908 2005-04-05 22:55 linux-image-2.6.10-5-686_2.6.10-34_i386.deb
at a whopping 16MB for kernel and ALL modules, it instead
Fork it all!
Good day.
Despite being unbelievably cynical (first "another internet loser asking for money" then "don't donate to organizations"), how do you propose donating money directly to "who it helps" (diabetics?) for research to cure a disease. A large project needs a leader, and an individual diabetic isn't going to cure himself.
I'm not a huge fan of Iacocca, but he's probably got juge amounts of money near the end of his life, is broken up about his wife's death, and wants to use that money to make sure others don't go through his pain. He's asking you to be part of that.
You don't have to be. If you don't want to help diabetes research, then fine. If you don't like this particular problem, then fine, too. You can do anything you want with your money, but geez, you should perk up a little and not use lame excuses like "I have heard of charity groups telling hospitals or universities" to destroy the concept of charitable contribution.
Being overly cynical may help you from getting hurt, but it will also take away any joy that you might get from life by, say, thinking "The US$20 that I donated to research ended up helping to save thousands of lives."
On the other hand, if the research goes through successfully, it'll probably just get locked up in patents and made prohibitively expensive by corporations... Maybe you can stay cynical.
A lot of them use older processors *cough* Geode *cough*
While possible, VMWare strongly discourages this. You should not boot from both the actual partition and from VMWare. At the very least, you will have driver differences.
Since this is notoriously the reason for Windows' instability, I don't think the kernel maintainers should rush to implement it in Linux.
At that point, the GNU/Linux debate should be over... It all really is the kernel...
Actually, I like this idea. A distro maintainer packages modules into seperate packages, the install process (net or iso) installs the ones that are necessary for the machine or which the admin instructs it to install, and upgrades with apt, yum, or yast download only the new core kernel and modules needed. It might save a fair amount of bandwidth for the distro maintainer.
Hey man, Linux won't be ready for the desktop until I can right click on the desktop, choose refresh/reload, and go directly to kernel oops.
Are you knidding? My laptop won't even hibernate properly, and you want my to let it drive? Crawl before you walk, man...;)
I wasn't talking about airfields, but the FAA does get involved when you get up to 10000 feet in the way the article disscusses.
I'm sorry. I wasn't giving a critique of your suggestion, just bashing slashdot mindlessly.
If you want something more visually impressive, but still 2D turn-based, then try Battle for Wesnoth.
That is a real concern, but I suspect that it will be the FAA which gets involved. They won't let millions of people take off and land wherever they please, and the chance that they'll allow it in the future is pretty slim.
I like your suggestion, but I suspect that an Ask Slashdot question phrased that way would mostly get "You want US to do your homework for you? That's what Google is for..." responses. I could be wrong, though.
Because 12 year olds can conceive, but their hips are rarely wide enough to give birht until much later. Before the C-section, many of them would've died in childbirth. That's probably the historical reason for the age of consent being higher (15,16, or 18, depending on where you live in the US)
Compensated how? What was my post's score when you commented. It has been from 0 to 5 and back again a couple of times. I don't need Karma, I don't post to get it. I have been maxed out for about three years now. What do I care about the mods?
I'm the poster that you responded to. Thank you for your well thought out response. I guess this inability to stay on subject, which I commented on, is why I have slowly been weaning myself off Slashdot over the past two years.
Hey, you know what? My comment wasn't defending Christianity (though I do think that, as long as people keep it out of my life, they can do what they want) -- just lamenting the lack of real discussion of this interesting issue. OTOH, there was a nice comment above me, made while I was commenting, which negates my post somewhat. I just don't like to see hate spewed out so much on a tech website about a science story.
OTs to the lot of them, I say!
20+ comments and no discussion of the science -- mostly just bashes on Christians. I hate the elitists who seek to tear down instead of build!
Do I get some CANDY? Oh, I like candy! :o~
Well, if he took it (the free-versioned software) all back, then he didn't really contribute anything, now did he?
(Value of license, $?)*(# of licenses, 0)= $0
That figure doesn't look a lot like $500,000 to me.
Anyway, I believe that you're wrong about how McVoy figured it. In a former interview (the one on Newsforge), Larry claimed that after adding up all the associated costs, he found that the free version cost the company $500,000. What he doesn't say is how he calculated that figure, which is what the post that you flamingly tried to correct was probably pointing out.
You're welcome to check your facts and correct me, if you like.
This insult comes from the user who tries to correct other people's already correct grammar. May the pronunciation gods be harsh on you, as you have been harsh on others.
I think that he was making a joke about your argument, though I'm not certain.
I have taken your "disable root login" to the next level and created a dummy user account with no real privs, a difficult username, and a random password, from which I must su to a regular user, and then again to root. I feel much safer now.