Leaving things like "File>Quit exited the application" (which is exactly the desired behavior) in the review is *not* something to do if you don't want to look like your digging for things to screw it on.
NS has sucked since 2k, and Mozilla hasn't been a viable option until roughly last summer.
Even I have been using windows for web browsing until last year because there was no option other than Internet Exploiter, and I generally can't stand the windows Interface (Read UI, none of the other bugs that normally get attributed to it, though those exist also).
no, a student version means you are using it for research / non-commercial use, the easiest way to get one is from a college book store, who normally require an ID to purchase it. I use stuent versions of several programs that I'm playing around with in my free time, so long as I buy a real copy when I start using it at work it's normally well within the UELA.
Though I never realized it uses VS, thats actually kinda retarded, I'll agree with you on that heh
no, a student version means you are using it for research / non-commercial use, the easiest way to get one is from a college book store, who normally require an ID to purchase it. I use stuent versions of several programs that I'm playing around with in my free time, so long as I buy a real copy when I start using it at work it's normally well within the UELA.
dlink.com *used* to have one page that positioning didn't allow the text to be read on. They seem to have redone the site in the past month or so though.
Where are people pulling these benchmarks from that say Mozilla is so fast? Is it the only thing running on the system? Do they not consider start-up time important (i.e. when opening up lots of windows)?
Because it is, after startup (which takes roughly 1 second after the files get put into your memory cache, similar to the way IE is by default) it's faster than IE. I don't use opera, so I can't compare it to that.
The really imprtant part is now fully featured geko-based browsers with native widgets will become alot more common, and the geko core prety much blows everything else out of the water preformance wise in my expeiences with k-meleon.
The worst part is I can still tell you the/loc of most screenshots in the popular zones, and I have the landscape/maps of all the other zones memorized. I remember the names of almost all the 55+ people on the server. I remember a significant amount of the economic conditions. And I remember the stats of various mobs/equipment (as in over 1000 mob types probably).
the p4 fan clips are worse. It takes me roughly 15 minuites to get the damn thing off every time I have to, it's rather annoying. They should have made it so there where simple open/close clips, not those ungodly self catching things.
It's not marketing it's fact. I have a XP 1600 and a p4 1.6g, the 1600+ runs everything I've ever tested faster.
The fact that it's not the same mhz, and you find that significant, tells me you think mozilla is inferior to IE because it happens to not be IE. It'd be like comparing a 1ghz apple to a 2ghz pentium, apples and oranges don't benchmark well, especially when your 'quality' standard is acidity..
What makes you think anything except player positioning is determined by the CPU in Q3 when optimized properly?
With faster busses all around the system, I'm sure you could make it outpreform the p4 significantly. The CPU has little to do with 'system utilizing' programs like games, it has alot to do with compiling ect.
oh, I get it your using the "de-facto standards compliant" piece of junk, that masqurades as a web browser.
You use Internet Exploiter? Wow, I didn't think anyone could stand that thing anymore, Mozilla blew it out of the water almost a year ago..
For those who aern't sure if I'm trolling, I honestly believe every thing I'm posting here. And I'm not a linux weenie to top it off. Mozilla is better than IE, has been for a long time, will continue to be more likley than not. And now that 1.0 is out I'm guessing some native-widgit clients are going to come out for about every configuration you could possibly want, and that will make it all the more superior to IE.
* The server has the final word on the world state. It accepts only requests for actions from the client, not state data, and it verifies that the client is in a state that it should be requesting this action. If that means that it rejects valid actions from a human player experiencing lag, tough, that's the cost of trust.
back when I played EQ, there was a bug introduced in march of 2000 that would cause 1.0 cast time spells (my problem was with the enchanter tash and color flux, especially color flux) to cast faster than the server would think it was acceptable when you lagged a little.
I died well over 20 times between 29(when this bug was introduced) and 57 (when they finally fixed the problem most of the way when your in a low lag zone), it was rather annoying.
I honestly don't think killing valid requests is a viable option to stop the exploit they were doing, if nothing else they should have made it so it could never happen to spells less than 1.5sec cast time. That would make it so unless you have a really random ping time (+-.5 seconds regularly) you would have to cheat to cause it to be set off.
The worst part of it all was the bug was still exploitable this janurary when I was in a AE group during a weeklong EQ stint. I used it to single handedly keep 40+ mobs stuned for well over 2 minuites, with about 5 resists per cast.
I was pointing out that visual studio dosen't exist on your platform, and I'm almost positive VS can't compile it anyway (bad template support, broken for loop scope ect). If you check mozilla.org I believe win32 uses the gcc compiler (I could be completly wrong as I haven't used win32 seriously in about forever, but I'm guessing it would be the best compiler for the job)
VS costs like 50$ or so on student discount, have some college kid get it for you. If your not going to be using it for commercial reasons you are acting well within the liscense. And there is no way your going to need professional version if your not a developer (heck I am, and I wouldn't even dream of asking for it, such a waste of money). Sorry about flaming you earlier, I didn't realize you were being serious.
I don't know, Mozilla seems to render them better than IE, in fact IE dosen't..
The fact that some web pages are broken is not a reason to avoid IE, it's a reason to avoid those web pages. Would you use a refrigerator that wasn't designed to store vegetables, or would you say 'wtf those engineers are idoits', I thought so.
I did the same for my brother, he did perfectly fine for about 2 hours, when he thought he was on a windows mod.
Then he asked why his AIM client had diffrent icons. I told him he was in FreeBSD, he hasn't touched the machine since.
I'm actually kinda baffled, but there are alot of people like that. I know lots of people at school who cite reasons other than the only true reason to use windows (that being M$ office, an outstanding program for those who don't know), normally they say "You can't do X in *nix", where X is an activity I do every night.
Hm, I'd like to see you compile it after paying 3k for Visual Studio on FreeBSD or Linux... (not to mention that VS is only like 1k for the uber uber uber l33t uber omg that guys l33t wow what a l33t hackz0r warezed version, the normal verions are like 500)
I especially loved how they said File>Quit exiting the program was not the behavior they expected. It's like they have never used anything but IE (which annoyingly forgot to add File>Quit, instead opting only to include File>Close) [how much of that is because IE processes are half in kernel space?]
Why don't you try the web-standards compliant links from http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/demos.html in IE 6, it's rather amusing. My boss and I just had fun making cracks at the poor nurses and doctors that have to use IE.
We had a M$ drone come in and say we should replace our 130k rack with w2k servers.
I laughed and showed him the door, the meeting with the VP's next week got accidently 'changed' the two weeks from now for him. I'm sure he will make a great impression with his no-show from a tech who didn't bother introducing himself.
Actually they only won the Java test, and one has to wonder if that might be because they were using an outdated non-standard hackish java client (eg, the one that came with win98 onward) in IE, and a compliant, fully featured, robust client in mozilla (eg the one sun releases as the 'standard' [for whatever thats worth])
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Leaving things like "File>Quit exited the application" (which is exactly the desired behavior) in the review is *not* something to do if you don't want to look like your digging for things to screw it on.
NS has sucked since 2k, and Mozilla hasn't been a viable option until roughly last summer.
Even I have been using windows for web browsing until last year because there was no option other than Internet Exploiter, and I generally can't stand the windows Interface (Read UI, none of the other bugs that normally get attributed to it, though those exist also).
yes it renders your friends list 5017% faster than IE does.
It uses 20M less memory than IE does
These aern't the broken pages your looking for
"These aern't the broken pages were looking for"
no, a student version means you are using it for research / non-commercial use, the easiest way to get one is from a college book store, who normally require an ID to purchase it. I use stuent versions of several programs that I'm playing around with in my free time, so long as I buy a real copy when I start using it at work it's normally well within the UELA.
Though I never realized it uses VS, thats actually kinda retarded, I'll agree with you on that heh
no, a student version means you are using it for research / non-commercial use, the easiest way to get one is from a college book store, who normally require an ID to purchase it. I use stuent versions of several programs that I'm playing around with in my free time, so long as I buy a real copy when I start using it at work it's normally well within the UELA.
dlink.com *used* to have one page that positioning didn't allow the text to be read on. They seem to have redone the site in the past month or so though.
Other than that, I have not seen a single one.
Funny, IE capable operating systems only represent 96% of the google hits.
Are you telling me everyone on every platform that can use IE does? I find that very hard to believe.
Where are people pulling these benchmarks from that say Mozilla is so fast? Is it the only thing running on the system? Do they not consider start-up time important (i.e. when opening up lots of windows)?
Because it is, after startup (which takes roughly 1 second after the files get put into your memory cache, similar to the way IE is by default) it's faster than IE. I don't use opera, so I can't compare it to that.
The really imprtant part is now fully featured geko-based browsers with native widgets will become alot more common, and the geko core prety much blows everything else out of the water preformance wise in my expeiences with k-meleon.
haha so true.
/loc of most screenshots in the popular zones, and I have the landscape/maps of all the other zones memorized. I remember the names of almost all the 55+ people on the server. I remember a significant amount of the economic conditions. And I remember the stats of various mobs/equipment (as in over 1000 mob types probably).
The worst part is I can still tell you the
All of that memory wasted over a game.. so sad
Did you just compare overclocked chips to factory settings?
You do see the falacy there, right?
the p4 fan clips are worse. It takes me roughly 15 minuites to get the damn thing off every time I have to, it's rather annoying. They should have made it so there where simple open/close clips, not those ungodly self catching things.
It's not marketing it's fact. I have a XP 1600 and a p4 1.6g, the 1600+ runs everything I've ever tested faster.
The fact that it's not the same mhz, and you find that significant, tells me you think mozilla is inferior to IE because it happens to not be IE. It'd be like comparing a 1ghz apple to a 2ghz pentium, apples and oranges don't benchmark well, especially when your 'quality' standard is acidity..
I'm a home user and my largest directory is 30 megabytes..
Running Q3 on my p4 I generally have about 75% idle cpu when pulling 60fps.
Yep, it's a great benchmark..
What makes you think anything except player positioning is determined by the CPU in Q3 when optimized properly?
With faster busses all around the system, I'm sure you could make it outpreform the p4 significantly. The CPU has little to do with 'system utilizing' programs like games, it has alot to do with compiling ect.
Funny I did't get one..
oh, I get it your using the "de-facto standards compliant" piece of junk, that masqurades as a web browser.
You use Internet Exploiter? Wow, I didn't think anyone could stand that thing anymore, Mozilla blew it out of the water almost a year ago..
For those who aern't sure if I'm trolling, I honestly believe every thing I'm posting here. And I'm not a linux weenie to top it off. Mozilla is better than IE, has been for a long time, will continue to be more likley than not. And now that 1.0 is out I'm guessing some native-widgit clients are going to come out for about every configuration you could possibly want, and that will make it all the more superior to IE.
* The server has the final word on the world state. It accepts only requests for actions from the client, not state data, and it verifies that the client is in a state that it should be requesting this action. If that means that it rejects valid actions from a human player experiencing lag, tough, that's the cost of trust.
back when I played EQ, there was a bug introduced in march of 2000 that would cause 1.0 cast time spells (my problem was with the enchanter tash and color flux, especially color flux) to cast faster than the server would think it was acceptable when you lagged a little.
I died well over 20 times between 29(when this bug was introduced) and 57 (when they finally fixed the problem most of the way when your in a low lag zone), it was rather annoying.
I honestly don't think killing valid requests is a viable option to stop the exploit they were doing, if nothing else they should have made it so it could never happen to spells less than 1.5sec cast time. That would make it so unless you have a really random ping time (+-.5 seconds regularly) you would have to cheat to cause it to be set off.
The worst part of it all was the bug was still exploitable this janurary when I was in a AE group during a weeklong EQ stint. I used it to single handedly keep 40+ mobs stuned for well over 2 minuites, with about 5 resists per cast.
I was pointing out that visual studio dosen't exist on your platform, and I'm almost positive VS can't compile it anyway (bad template support, broken for loop scope ect). If you check mozilla.org I believe win32 uses the gcc compiler (I could be completly wrong as I haven't used win32 seriously in about forever, but I'm guessing it would be the best compiler for the job)
VS costs like 50$ or so on student discount, have some college kid get it for you. If your not going to be using it for commercial reasons you are acting well within the liscense. And there is no way your going to need professional version if your not a developer (heck I am, and I wouldn't even dream of asking for it, such a waste of money). Sorry about flaming you earlier, I didn't realize you were being serious.
Mozilla is still unreliable and doesn't render some sites properly (they were designed for IE; live with it),
I'm assuming you mean these w3c compliant pages?
I don't know, Mozilla seems to render them better than IE, in fact IE dosen't..
The fact that some web pages are broken is not a reason to avoid IE, it's a reason to avoid those web pages. Would you use a refrigerator that wasn't designed to store vegetables, or would you say 'wtf those engineers are idoits', I thought so.
I did the same for my brother, he did perfectly fine for about 2 hours, when he thought he was on a windows mod.
Then he asked why his AIM client had diffrent icons. I told him he was in FreeBSD, he hasn't touched the machine since.
I'm actually kinda baffled, but there are alot of people like that. I know lots of people at school who cite reasons other than the only true reason to use windows (that being M$ office, an outstanding program for those who don't know), normally they say "You can't do X in *nix", where X is an activity I do every night.
Oh well
Hm, I'd like to see you compile it after paying 3k for Visual Studio on FreeBSD or Linux... (not to mention that VS is only like 1k for the uber uber uber l33t uber omg that guys l33t wow what a l33t hackz0r warezed version, the normal verions are like 500)
dumbass
mod parent down please
I especially loved how they said File>Quit exiting the program was not the behavior they expected. It's like they have never used anything but IE (which annoyingly forgot to add File>Quit, instead opting only to include File>Close) [how much of that is because IE processes are half in kernel space?]
That IE displayed garbage or a blank page?
Why don't you try the web-standards compliant links from http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/demos.html in IE 6, it's rather amusing. My boss and I just had fun making cracks at the poor nurses and doctors that have to use IE.
We had a M$ drone come in and say we should replace our 130k rack with w2k servers.
I laughed and showed him the door, the meeting with the VP's next week got accidently 'changed' the two weeks from now for him. I'm sure he will make a great impression with his no-show from a tech who didn't bother introducing himself.
Actually they only won the Java test, and one has to wonder if that might be because they were using an outdated non-standard hackish java client (eg, the one that came with win98 onward) in IE, and a compliant, fully featured, robust client in mozilla (eg the one sun releases as the 'standard' [for whatever thats worth])