I agree, I started having to use it at work when I got switched to w2k, and it's plain ugly/ackward.
Mozilla gets about 150thousand million zillion trillion usability points in my book. Tabbed browsing alone is enough to make IE feel ackward, and my first popup I literally shouted out 'omg what a piece of crap', Dave my boss (who gets to use FreeBSD on his station) agreed.
In general, IE is a piece of junk, it isn't even in the same market as mozilla anymore. It's like comparing Win3.1 to KDE, it's just not even fair on w3.1.
For example, when we ran File > Quit from the JavaScript debugger, instead of closing just the debugger window, it closed all of our Mozilla browser windows, as well--definitely not the behavior we expected or wanted.
I'm sorry but this is not something new. File>Quit in any program is the way to Quit the application, not the window; one uses the X or File>Close-type-command for that. It has been this way since as long as I can remember.
It's looking like the person who reviewed it didn't know how to use basic UI functions, or was specificaly looking for something wrong. I can't even fathom who would mention 'File>Quit' exiting the program in a serious review of a program. If a user opened a work order with that in it, I would close it and leave a note in thier profile.
It will come up "out of area" on the bill, and the credit card co will launch an investigation when the server can't synch it up with a valid zip code.
Of course nothing would happen, but it's amusing how much money gets wasted on that trivial item.
The worst part is 99.99% of most cases noise comes from the ungodly powerful powersuply fan, that could probably be made external with a slow and big fan put in its place.
Powersuplies are not the only way to get heat out of a case, why is the industry so stuck on that idea? Since they are the largest heat generator, here's an idea. Make them *external* like on most laptops, and you reduce the need for cooling inside the case significantly.
I long ago started setting my powersuplys outside the case with the fan replaced so it was quiet, not fast, and I have never had a problem. Why are no cases made with this in mind?
While I'm on it, why is the front of the case the 'prefered' air-entry area, wouldn't it make sense to bring air in, over the CPU while it's cool, then out over the drive bays, or even to a side? It just dosen't make sense to use the air to cool progressivly hotter equipment, as the air itself is getting hotter. Back on my old 'desktop' design cases, there was never an entrance fan, only a powersuply cooler. Granted there was significantly fewer watts going into the case, but new 'industry standard' case designs just don't make sense to me.
I always have a minimum of 4 vt's and an X session active on my workstation, it's one of the reasons (behind perhaps 5-6 more) that I use nix over windows for daily tasks.
But we are not nearly the largest polluter relative to our productivity, which is a more rational measure. Every time somebody in the world uses a US product (including information/service products) they are benefiting from that pollution, but it does not get credited to us. Your use of internet technology and PC technology was directly subsidized by the pollution produced by our technologists!
I think you too the pledge of alegance a bit to seriously in grade school.
US is not some flawless country, as it appears to be in your eyes.
But anyway, to the point. You argue that we drive SUV's because we have the freedom to do so. You argue that because of our low tax on petro we can afford to waste gas for comfort.
Now your arguing that we are more productive because of all of this choosing to waste gass for comfort
I'm not going to spell out the flaw there, but hopefully you can see it yourself. The problem with americans is they view anyone concerned with the enviroment as your 'extreme enviromentalists', while I'm not going to deny such people exist, they are not the reason we should be woried about our envirment.
Next you argue that we are limiting our options, well considering that polution does change the atmosphere composition and thusly must at least trivially change the climate, it is logical to assume that a solution that requires more man-hours to impliment but dosen't change the atmosphere composition and also advances research in alternate fuel devices, instead of stagnating on fossel fules would be a prefered solution.
You argue that researching alternate fuel technology will destroy economies. Unfortunatly you don't understand economics it seems, because if 1: there is a demand for a product, and 2: there are people to produce the product then 3: you have a working economy. No matter what form of energy you have, an economy will sprout up around it, because thats the way capitalism works.
Following the logic that capitalism always finds the best solution, with no regulation is falwed, it's a fairly trivial argument to state that it would be benifical to hunt wales to extinction in order to aquire thier oil, when cheaper solutions exist. This is what pure unregulated capitalism causes, and obviously it is not the prefered solution.
You also argue that americans are taller than europeans, all I can say is "WHAT?". Have you even looked at statistics to back this up, or is it just your ego talking? That dosen't even mildly make sense, unless your going to start trying to say that the european gov's are all taxing thier citizens into malnourishment during childhood now. They are not doing that, and they come from a similar genetic line, so it is ludacrist that they would be shorter than americans.
You state the law of unintended consequences (the what?) as the reason SUV's are popular. You state that this obviously makes all envirmental action 'stupid' and 'limiting your freedom'. Unfortunatly, the only thing that can limit our freedom, is censorship, I'm not going to debate this point farther, but if you provide a real rebutal, I'll argue it. Asking people to avoid being need-lessly wastefull is not adverting freedom, nor is it stupid. I'd like to modify a quote at this point "Your right to freedom stops at my grandchildrens grandchildrens grandchildrens enviromental wellfare", if you purpously do something that has a good chance of destroying the envirment for a later generation, that is no better than littering today. While I have not researched global warming personally, I do feel compeled to think that by being wastefull I'm not benifiting anyone except the workers at the oil refineries.
You argue that SUV's are more comfortable than small cars, this is a real debatable point, but I'm going to venture into it. I'm going to venture to guess that a mid-sized car with an efficent/powerfull engine and a well designed interior is just as comfortable for most people in most situations. Obviously there are some people who have always needed the size of a van for whatever legitimate reason, and there is nothing wrong with that. But I would like to say have never felt my Tarus was too small for anything except once when transporting lumber, and I just used a famers truck for that. Now obviously a SUV can be more comfortable, espeically if you have a large family, but that does not mean it needs to be designed with a motor that accelerates as fast as a small car.
You claim your more productive than the rest of the world, really? I'd like to see that backed up. I go to work every day at a corperate situation, and make sure my network and applications work, is this more productive than the same job in brittan, how? Obviously we have a larger GNP than brittan, but our per-capita income. If there is a diffrence, how much of it can be explained directly because of import/export laws? I obviously do not have the answers to this, but you don't provide them either. I find it hard to believe we are the most prodicutive country in the world, I know alot of people who don't do anything productive at all. A great deal of our money is in the servicing of people, to make thier lives easier, not in the production of any tangeable good. Obviously being the most productive society isn't a good thing (slave labor ect), but I don't think saying the US is the most productive, because we use the most gass for convenience, holds any weight.
I'd like to close with, have you ever been overseas? I think you would find brittan shockingly similar to America. Sure they have a slightly diffrent economic setup, but I don't think they are as radically diffrent as you think they are. And the are most definatly not inferior to us, no citizen of earth is, and it is ludacrist to imply that they are.
the only thing the internet does to the average 9 year old is make porn less of a novelty.
When I was growing up, getting the coveted playboy was a big feat, something you worked hard to do. Now you just type www.whitehouse.com and it's right there.
The argument that children should be protected from porn is absolutly rediciolus, when I was 16 I can guarntee you I would have found porn much more usefull than I do now. And if they are too young for porn (I don't think such an age exists, at least for males), they won't go out of thier way to view it. It's not like a 4yr old clicking on Internet Explorer is going to automaticaly be show tons of porn, and even if they are they probably won't understand what most of it is. Just because it's not acceptable for various 'moral' reasons, dosen't mean its "wrong" (eg, killing a person, stealing money is wrong; viewing porn is immoral, but dosen't actualy *hurt anyone*).
The day all/most/alot of porn is censored because it's wrong, is the same day we join the role of 'world tyranist' instead of 'world leader'
Windows still uses the bios to write to your floppy, it's perhaps the single most retarded design decision of the entire OS. Copying a 200kb file to a floppy slows your computer to a crawl for several seconds, something that is inexcusable on modern hardware.
The trick is to wait 2-3 years then upgrade the 'core' components all at once, it's a ton cheaper than buying a new system, and you end up with top of the line stuff.
Of course, you can't stay at the very top of every component at all times, but considering a standard mobo/ram/cpu has been ~300 for quite a while, it's not to horrible.
The simplest solution to your problem is to let the salespeople sell. Call cisco and get a marketing type on, tell them what you have been quoted, and ask them to come up with a total network quote that's better, then have them present it to the managment. If your even a mid sized buisness I'm sure they can come up with a salesperson to do a meeting with your managment for a hour or two.
You talking to the managment *might* get you somewhere, but your much more likley to get somehwere if you get a professional marketer in there.
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I agree, I started having to use it at work when I got switched to w2k, and it's plain ugly/ackward.
Mozilla gets about 150thousand million zillion trillion usability points in my book. Tabbed browsing alone is enough to make IE feel ackward, and my first popup I literally shouted out 'omg what a piece of crap', Dave my boss (who gets to use FreeBSD on his station) agreed.
In general, IE is a piece of junk, it isn't even in the same market as mozilla anymore. It's like comparing Win3.1 to KDE, it's just not even fair on w3.1.
For example, when we ran File > Quit from the JavaScript debugger, instead of closing just the debugger window, it closed all of our Mozilla browser windows, as well--definitely not the behavior we expected or wanted.
I'm sorry but this is not something new. File>Quit in any program is the way to Quit the application, not the window; one uses the X or File>Close-type-command for that. It has been this way since as long as I can remember.
It's looking like the person who reviewed it didn't know how to use basic UI functions, or was specificaly looking for something wrong. I can't even fathom who would mention 'File>Quit' exiting the program in a serious review of a program. If a user opened a work order with that in it, I would close it and leave a note in thier profile.
It will come up "out of area" on the bill, and the credit card co will launch an investigation when the server can't synch it up with a valid zip code.
Of course nothing would happen, but it's amusing how much money gets wasted on that trivial item.
The US has plans to invade the state of Iowa, the country of Japan, and the continent of Aisa.
I would be significantly disturbed if they *did not* as that is what I pay them taxes to do.
some of us try to sleep with our computers on
The worst part is 99.99% of most cases noise comes from the ungodly powerful powersuply fan, that could probably be made external with a slow and big fan put in its place.
Powersuplies are not the only way to get heat out of a case, why is the industry so stuck on that idea? Since they are the largest heat generator, here's an idea. Make them *external* like on most laptops, and you reduce the need for cooling inside the case significantly.
I long ago started setting my powersuplys outside the case with the fan replaced so it was quiet, not fast, and I have never had a problem. Why are no cases made with this in mind?
While I'm on it, why is the front of the case the 'prefered' air-entry area, wouldn't it make sense to bring air in, over the CPU while it's cool, then out over the drive bays, or even to a side? It just dosen't make sense to use the air to cool progressivly hotter equipment, as the air itself is getting hotter. Back on my old 'desktop' design cases, there was never an entrance fan, only a powersuply cooler. Granted there was significantly fewer watts going into the case, but new 'industry standard' case designs just don't make sense to me.
thanks
It is sad I was 17 when bush was elected, but at least I can sleep at night knowing that my state voted for gore w/o me.
I personally find muti-window gui sessions ackward, but thats probably just me.
Also I have a LCD so changing is only the time of loading the apropriate page from memory.
Does anyone know if this virus has the ability to target ELF binaries on a bsd platform, or is it safe for some reason?
The synaptic link was rather unhelpful in explaining how it is infecting, and a google search is coming up blank.
Any further info would be appreciated!
that didn't work in csh, should I be doing something diffrently?
what does 2>/dev/null actually do?
I can't find it in a man page anywhere.
on occasion?
I always have a minimum of 4 vt's and an X session active on my workstation, it's one of the reasons (behind perhaps 5-6 more) that I use nix over windows for daily tasks.
if the police break into my house randomly w/o my consent to enter and see the materials for me to murder my neighbor, they can't arrest me.
If the police wiretap me randomly w/o my permission to be doing so, they can't arrest me.
If they have a warrant to do either, they can.
See how it didn't cost anyone any lives?
But we are not nearly the largest polluter relative to our productivity, which is a more rational measure. Every time somebody in the world uses a US product (including information/service products) they are benefiting from that pollution, but it does not get credited to us. Your use of internet technology and PC technology was directly subsidized by the pollution produced by our technologists!
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I think you too the pledge of alegance a bit to seriously in grade school.
US is not some flawless country, as it appears to be in your eyes.
But anyway, to the point. You argue that we drive SUV's because we have the freedom to do so. You argue that because of our low tax on petro we can afford to waste gas for comfort
Now your arguing that we are more productive because of all of this choosing to waste gass for comfort
I'm not going to spell out the flaw there, but hopefully you can see it yourself. The problem with americans is they view anyone concerned with the enviroment as your 'extreme enviromentalists', while I'm not going to deny such people exist, they are not the reason we should be woried about our envirment.
Next you argue that we are limiting our options, well considering that polution does change the atmosphere composition and thusly must at least trivially change the climate, it is logical to assume that a solution that requires more man-hours to impliment but dosen't change the atmosphere composition and also advances research in alternate fuel devices, instead of stagnating on fossel fules would be a prefered solution.
You argue that researching alternate fuel technology will destroy economies. Unfortunatly you don't understand economics it seems, because if 1: there is a demand for a product, and 2: there are people to produce the product then 3: you have a working economy. No matter what form of energy you have, an economy will sprout up around it, because thats the way capitalism works.
Following the logic that capitalism always finds the best solution, with no regulation is falwed, it's a fairly trivial argument to state that it would be benifical to hunt wales to extinction in order to aquire thier oil, when cheaper solutions exist. This is what pure unregulated capitalism causes, and obviously it is not the prefered solution.
You also argue that americans are taller than europeans, all I can say is "WHAT?". Have you even looked at statistics to back this up, or is it just your ego talking? That dosen't even mildly make sense, unless your going to start trying to say that the european gov's are all taxing thier citizens into malnourishment during childhood now. They are not doing that, and they come from a similar genetic line, so it is ludacrist that they would be shorter than americans.
You state the law of unintended consequences (the what?) as the reason SUV's are popular. You state that this obviously makes all envirmental action 'stupid' and 'limiting your freedom'. Unfortunatly, the only thing that can limit our freedom, is censorship, I'm not going to debate this point farther, but if you provide a real rebutal, I'll argue it. Asking people to avoid being need-lessly wastefull is not adverting freedom, nor is it stupid. I'd like to modify a quote at this point "Your right to freedom stops at my grandchildrens grandchildrens grandchildrens enviromental wellfare", if you purpously do something that has a good chance of destroying the envirment for a later generation, that is no better than littering today. While I have not researched global warming personally, I do feel compeled to think that by being wastefull I'm not benifiting anyone except the workers at the oil refineries.
You argue that SUV's are more comfortable than small cars, this is a real debatable point, but I'm going to venture into it. I'm going to venture to guess that a mid-sized car with an efficent/powerfull engine and a well designed interior is just as comfortable for most people in most situations. Obviously there are some people who have always needed the size of a van for whatever legitimate reason, and there is nothing wrong with that. But I would like to say have never felt my Tarus was too small for anything except once when transporting lumber, and I just used a famers truck for that. Now obviously a SUV can be more comfortable, espeically if you have a large family, but that does not mean it needs to be designed with a motor that accelerates as fast as a small car.
You claim your more productive than the rest of the world, really? I'd like to see that backed up. I go to work every day at a corperate situation, and make sure my network and applications work, is this more productive than the same job in brittan, how? Obviously we have a larger GNP than brittan, but our per-capita income. If there is a diffrence, how much of it can be explained directly because of import/export laws? I obviously do not have the answers to this, but you don't provide them either. I find it hard to believe we are the most prodicutive country in the world, I know alot of people who don't do anything productive at all. A great deal of our money is in the servicing of people, to make thier lives easier, not in the production of any tangeable good. Obviously being the most productive society isn't a good thing (slave labor ect), but I don't think saying the US is the most productive, because we use the most gass for convenience, holds any weight.
I'd like to close with, have you ever been overseas? I think you would find brittan shockingly similar to America. Sure they have a slightly diffrent economic setup, but I don't think they are as radically diffrent as you think they are. And the are most definatly not inferior to us, no citizen of earth is, and it is ludacrist to imply that they are.
Qwest is the third largest telephone provider.
Being smaller than two other companies normally excludes you from "monopoly" status.
Just a thought..
the only thing the internet does to the average 9 year old is make porn less of a novelty.
When I was growing up, getting the coveted playboy was a big feat, something you worked hard to do. Now you just type www.whitehouse.com and it's right there.
The argument that children should be protected from porn is absolutly rediciolus, when I was 16 I can guarntee you I would have found porn much more usefull than I do now. And if they are too young for porn (I don't think such an age exists, at least for males), they won't go out of thier way to view it. It's not like a 4yr old clicking on Internet Explorer is going to automaticaly be show tons of porn, and even if they are they probably won't understand what most of it is. Just because it's not acceptable for various 'moral' reasons, dosen't mean its "wrong" (eg, killing a person, stealing money is wrong; viewing porn is immoral, but dosen't actualy *hurt anyone*).
The day all/most/alot of porn is censored because it's wrong, is the same day we join the role of 'world tyranist' instead of 'world leader'
hm, the exact same system running freebsd using the "dd if=someimage of=/dev/fd0" uses about 1% cpu to do it..
just curious, whats the diffrence?
yes it's a rule. It happens to me *ever* time I buy a processor also.
cause I've ever been to mackslash =p
Windows still uses the bios to write to your floppy, it's perhaps the single most retarded design decision of the entire OS. Copying a 200kb file to a floppy slows your computer to a crawl for several seconds, something that is inexcusable on modern hardware.
Actually you can really hear the diffrence in a mid-range system on stringed or other very hi-fi type music.
on att broadband (mchsi).
Not sure if a name machine is messed up somewhere or what, but I resolve just fine from my machine.
I upgrade my PC regularly..
The trick is to wait 2-3 years then upgrade the 'core' components all at once, it's a ton cheaper than buying a new system, and you end up with top of the line stuff.
Of course, you can't stay at the very top of every component at all times, but considering a standard mobo/ram/cpu has been ~300 for quite a while, it's not to horrible.
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The simplest solution to your problem is to let the salespeople sell. Call cisco and get a marketing type on, tell them what you have been quoted, and ask them to come up with a total network quote that's better, then have them present it to the managment. If your even a mid sized buisness I'm sure they can come up with a salesperson to do a meeting with your managment for a hour or two.
You talking to the managment *might* get you somewhere, but your much more likley to get somehwere if you get a professional marketer in there.