Step 1 - Count your blessings
Step 2 - Stop complaining
Step 3 - Stop thinking about complaining
Step 4 - Stop complaining about those who complain
It took a looooooong time, but it worked for me:)
Microsoft won't disable them on your computer.. it might just be technically feasible, but Microsoft are very careful about privacy and just wouldn't do it. (Not because they are such sweethearts, but because they know that business these days expects it)
When I installed my VS-2005 beta I actually read the EULA and it mentioned something about it being disabled in mid 2006. That disabling will obviously done by the product itself, not from outside.
It's Microsoft software which is bloated and buggy. Everyone knows that. Always was true, always will be true. Microsoft couldn't code their way out of a paper bag. I use OO all the time, and I know that it's faster than Office...or that it doesn't matter..or that it's because Microsoft screwed Netscape, or it's because I don't understand Open Source, or something....
Linux is a kernel! KDE & Gnome are desktop environments
He knows that - read what he says about KDE and Gnome. Just because you don't agree with him, doesn't mean that he's stupid. IMO his post was balanced and insightful (and well informed).
In other words, an OSS fan is someone who cares more about taking the moral highground than getting his job done.
I know that mods don't like "me too" posts, but hey, that is just too sweet!
Well said!
And "well said!" to the parent.."What's the definition of an open-source tool? One who'll always use open-source software, even when there's proprietary software more suited for the job?"
OK, I'll add a little value, and say that such people definitely exist - I've seen them. Curiously, I've never seen them devote their *own* time and money to to the more expensive (open-source) solution, but only the boss's.
In my Linux days I did the same thing - buy the boxed copy. Back then, 98/99, there were a few boxed copies on the shelves. The stores also tried boxed copies of Quake for Linux. Those same shelves haven't stocked a boxed copy for years.
Only a fanatic would explain this disappearance as a "conspiracy". Obviously there just weren't many people willing to buy Linux.
Not to get all empirical on you or anything, but if history is any guide,
My memory of the history is that this was a well known, and widely condemned, practice of Microsoft in the DOS and Windows 3.n days. It stopped with Windows 95, or thereabouts, and Microsoft has renounced the practice (because of the legal risks and PR damage). So, your theory is of historical interest, but doesn't account for why Windows is the only thing in the shop 10 years later. Yep, it's like a thief getting away with stolen goods, but it's not the same thing as continuing to steal.
That's my "empirical" version. Disagree? Then let's see some facts. TFA had a good opportunity to dig up the dirt, and conspicuosly failed.
Windows user: I've tried Linux, and it was too difficult
Linux user1: You're just too fragging lazy
Linux user2: I've tried Windows, and it was too difficult
Linux user1: Yeh, it really sucks.
And no, I'm not just being cute. I've met numerous Linuz users who throw up their hands in disgust first time they can't do something in Windows, but expect others to work hard to work out Linux.
but why doesn't it just work that way out of the box?
My guess - because if it included everything that developers want it would be too bloated for the average user. Despite the stock accusation that Windows is "bloated", I've found the standard install is well bundled as a compromise feature set. It's easy for a savvy developer to find the tools they want and install them (that's their job) and, anyway, there is no one set of tools which fits all developers - we all want to pick and choose.
Obviously no universally available free compiler.
MSDN makes available a free, full featured command line compiler for C#, VB and others. http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/downloads/u pdates/default.aspx. I believe that there are also numerous other free third-party compilers for every language (eg. Intel for C/C++). There's even gcc.
no capability for command-line pipes,
Not strictly true, but yes, there is no comparison between the standard *nix command line, and DOS. What's more, I am yet to find a satisfactory free command line terminal for Windows (they exist, but all the ones I've tried have major limitations). As far as I'm concerned, that's it's big, big failing.
So yes I need microsoft and it was also not only my choice, everything I need / want is made by microsoft.
I think that the article is saying it shouldn't be that way, and it's your job to help change it.
I'll let other people who care more about these things do the changing. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying myself with C# and.Net (and spending time with my family after work).
Bill: "There are some zealots that think there should be no software jobs, that we should all, like, cut hair during the day and write code at night."
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Troll? or meta-troll? I thought it was funny. The guy has a sharp eye (and the moderator could use a sense of humour)
One project team I worked with had two periods of scheduled "quiet time" per day. During these perious we were supposed to be getting on with work, while non-work activities (personal email, phone calls, etc..), and unnecessary office chatter were banned.
Sounds like a good idea, but, actually it didn't work. Almost everyone on the team found it impossible to live with this discipline. The few who did live with were the ones who would be disciplined in any other environment anyway.
The lesson? As others here have observed, it really is our own choice whether we prefer distractions and multi-tasking, or focusing on the job.
And I hate to praise *nix for anything, but...
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But this mess is partly created by Microsoft. During the 80's and 90's they put all those windows on our screens because they thought we wanted to be able to do 12 things at once, and I expect that next they'll want to sell us a GUI "tool" to help us tame the mess they introduced.
What I, as a professional programmer, really want from Microsoft is some way of just getting through my work, without opening all those stupid windows in the first place.
Oh, yeh..I remember a really *cool" unix tool which used to do that..
"Shill" has become a popular word in/. recently. I'm not familiar with it, but from context I've taken to mean "Someone who is biased towards, and promotes, product A. The bias might be the result of ill-informed personal preference, or commercial interests."
This is not what "shill" means!!!!!
A shill is someone who is paid to pretend to be a satisfied customer. ie. the are a paid fake. There's a big difference between that and bias.
Any company will bias its reports in favour of the hand that feeds it. FOSS companies do the same. It doesn't make them all "shills".
You weren't around for that whole dos and early windows thing were you?
I was there, and I used to do my job on a DEC, or Unix workstation, and forget about software when I walked out the door. Eventually my wife allowed me to buy a PC, and I used it for Flight Simulator, and a bit of word processing. To me it was just a toy - it never occurred to me that this could be a serious software platform. I was still thinking that in 1998!!
My point? er..I'm not sure..:).. I guess this is just a bit of historical perspective. I think that my attitudes to work and PC's was fairly typical of software pro's in the 80's and 90's. I give full credit to those who saw the potential of the PC, and did more with them than me. That includes both DOS and Linux geeks
Well spotted! I suspect that it's going to get harder to spot Linux predictions in the future, as the number of people who haven't made one, and been proven wrong, diminishes.
Another one for my "OS Predictions File". I'm keeping that file in case I ever have a boss wave a press article in front of me, and say "We should be getting away from Windows, this article says Microsoft is in trouble".
At that price, it's worth it to me, but, no, I wouldn't pay the full commercial prices, and would make do with OO instead.
My guess is that Student and Teacher Edition is a response to the OO (and Linux) threat, and that we'll see more dropping MS Office prices in the near future.
think there are a lot of Windows zealots at slashdot too.
There's no such thing as a Windows zealot, but there are a few bitter former Linux zealots.:)
What, you worship Microsofts's ball and chain EULA or something?
No, I don't worship it. Your sarcasm is immature. You want to give away your software? Great - but until it's as good as Microsoft's, I'll keep paying MS's prices, and agreeing to their EULA's. Doesn't bother me. It's like buying a book, or electricty, or a car.
I knew a very good programmer who once went to an interview without a tie. He was sent back out the door as soon as he walked in. After that, he always wore a tie to an interview. So do I. And I make sure that I've showered, shaved, and wear a reasonably up to date jacket. I'd even try to lose a bit of weight.
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Step 1 - Count your blessings Step 2 - Stop complaining Step 3 - Stop thinking about complaining Step 4 - Stop complaining about those who complain It took a looooooong time, but it worked for me :)
Microsoft won't disable them on your computer.. it might just be technically feasible, but Microsoft are very careful about privacy and just wouldn't do it. (Not because they are such sweethearts, but because they know that business these days expects it) When I installed my VS-2005 beta I actually read the EULA and it mentioned something about it being disabled in mid 2006. That disabling will obviously done by the product itself, not from outside.
It's Microsoft software which is bloated and buggy. Everyone knows that. Always was true, always will be true. Microsoft couldn't code their way out of a paper bag. I use OO all the time, and I know that it's faster than Office...or that it doesn't matter..or that it's because Microsoft screwed Netscape, or it's because I don't understand Open Source, or something....
Thanks! Well spotted!
Meanwhile, how's the Linux desktop coming on?
But I've just looked him up in Wikipedia, and found this attributed as his most famous quote...
Says it all!I know that mods don't like "me too" posts, but hey, that is just too sweet!
Well said!
And "well said!" to the parent.."What's the definition of an open-source tool? One who'll always use open-source software, even when there's proprietary software more suited for the job?"
OK, I'll add a little value, and say that such people definitely exist - I've seen them. Curiously, I've never seen them devote their *own* time and money to to the more expensive (open-source) solution, but only the boss's.
2. Say that you will present the proof
3. Provide a long, factual, introduction, showing the revolting ill-effects of the conspiracy
4. In a linked page, which promised the proof, ramble on about the evil conspiracy. Act as if you've already proven it.
5. QED, case closed. Time to move on to remedies.
Only a fanatic would explain this disappearance as a "conspiracy". Obviously there just weren't many people willing to buy Linux.
That's my "empirical" version. Disagree? Then let's see some facts. TFA had a good opportunity to dig up the dirt, and conspicuosly failed.
Linux user1: You're just too fragging lazy
Linux user2: I've tried Windows, and it was too difficult
Linux user1: Yeh, it really sucks.
And no, I'm not just being cute. I've met numerous Linuz users who throw up their hands in disgust first time they can't do something in Windows, but expect others to work hard to work out Linux.
I'll let other people who care more about these things do the changing. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying myself with C# and .Net (and spending time with my family after work).
Bill: "There are some zealots that think there should be no software jobs, that we should all, like, cut hair during the day and write code at night."
Troll? or meta-troll? I thought it was funny. The guy has a sharp eye (and the moderator could use a sense of humour)
Sounds like a good idea, but, actually it didn't work. Almost everyone on the team found it impossible to live with this discipline. The few who did live with were the ones who would be disciplined in any other environment anyway.
The lesson? As others here have observed, it really is our own choice whether we prefer distractions and multi-tasking, or focusing on the job.
But this mess is partly created by Microsoft. During the 80's and 90's they put all those windows on our screens because they thought we wanted to be able to do 12 things at once, and I expect that next they'll want to sell us a GUI "tool" to help us tame the mess they introduced.
What I, as a professional programmer, really want from Microsoft is some way of just getting through my work, without opening all those stupid windows in the first place.
Oh, yeh..I remember a really *cool" unix tool which used to do that..
"Shill" has become a popular word in /. recently. I'm not familiar with it, but from context I've taken to mean "Someone who is biased towards, and promotes, product A. The bias might be the result of ill-informed personal preference, or commercial interests."
This is not what "shill" means!!!!!
A shill is someone who is paid to pretend to be a satisfied customer. ie. the are a paid fake. There's a big difference between that and bias.
Any company will bias its reports in favour of the hand that feeds it. FOSS companies do the same. It doesn't make them all "shills".
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shill
And if money is no object, then they do it on a Sun, in Rational Apex.
Please don't mod me down, I feel really strongly about this one.
I was there, and I used to do my job on a DEC, or Unix workstation, and forget about software when I walked out the door. Eventually my wife allowed me to buy a PC, and I used it for Flight Simulator, and a bit of word processing. To me it was just a toy - it never occurred to me that this could be a serious software platform. I was still thinking that in 1998!!
My point? er..I'm not sure..
Well spotted! I suspect that it's going to get harder to spot Linux predictions in the future, as the number of people who haven't made one, and been proven wrong, diminishes.
Another one for my "OS Predictions File". I'm keeping that file in case I ever have a boss wave a press article in front of me, and say "We should be getting away from Windows, this article says Microsoft is in trouble".
Actually, if you have a student in the house, you can install the Student and Teacher edition on three machines, for $US119 (total). http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000 0C0XT1/104-3508326-6391166?v=glance
At that price, it's worth it to me, but, no, I wouldn't pay the full commercial prices, and would make do with OO instead.
My guess is that Student and Teacher Edition is a response to the OO (and Linux) threat, and that we'll see more dropping MS Office prices in the near future.
think there are a lot of Windows zealots at slashdot too.
:)
There's no such thing as a Windows zealot, but there are a few bitter former Linux zealots.
What, you worship Microsofts's ball and chain EULA or something?
No, I don't worship it. Your sarcasm is immature. You want to give away your software? Great - but until it's as good as Microsoft's, I'll keep paying MS's prices, and agreeing to their EULA's. Doesn't bother me. It's like buying a book, or electricty, or a car.
http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/ecard/ :D
It looks most impressive too!
I knew a very good programmer who once went to an interview without a tie. He was sent back out the door as soon as he walked in. After that, he always wore a tie to an interview. So do I. And I make sure that I've showered, shaved, and wear a reasonably up to date jacket. I'd even try to lose a bit of weight.
You've got to play the game.