Installation of databases is becoming so simplistic that it is becoming less and less of an issue every year.
I can see where someone might want to play with a single user type of database. But I've read articles that MySQL was the best candidate for this because of it's simplistic deployment.
If you price out a 1GHz C3 board ($185) and a 14" monitor ($250) you are quickly topping out near $450. Considering that you get a finished system, it's a pretty decent price.
If this thing runs PXE boot it would make a great LTSP terminal after you remove the hard drive.
Really? I wonder how Fucked Up Microsoft credit is?
I recall in Michigan there was a problem where the State is not allowed to do business with any convicted felons. After Microsoft was convicted, the State of Michigan changed the law.
You live in an idealistic world. I live in a sarcastic one.
I think you missed something. If you make a warm call to me then you can make a reference to the original connection. An example would be to have a purchase order or customer number identified as a part of the email (header or body). That would identify that they either made up the number if they can't present it or didn't provide one because they don't have one.
And spammers are not stupid. You under-estimate them. With a business of $21Billion it's not going to attract only the idiots. But that kind of money will attract a lot of really smart people too.
I read from the article that they intend to have an application that mimics MS Access.
I hope they do a really bad job at this. A full featured mimic of MS Access would introduce a variety of really bizarre errors, instabilities and WTfs into their feature set.
Actually, I'm surprised they didn't just roll off something that ran on a database plug-in. And that plug-in would support MySQL or Postgresql. By supporting both you avoid the flame wars and by supporting a real database you get some real capabilities.
Buy an ultra cheap POS case and strip out the PCI backplane for the rear of the case and the ATX mounting plate for the mobo. Then build the rest of the case out of wood. Been there, done that. nice!
Good question. Now the problem becomes a matter of collection and identification of who actually has the money to pay this. They may have won. But until they can get the collection process started I question it's value.
How many times have companies lost in a suit only to have the collection phase take 10-20 years, basically wearing down the suit winner into accepting a fraction of their due?
The problem is you can't really put these people in jail until they pay up. IIRC that's referred to as debtors prison and they tossed that idea out a long time ago.
I'm an advocate for blocking all Chinese IP addresses from the Western Hemisphere. We've managed doing business for the last 2000 years without them, we won't die if we blow them off. It's going to screw them up not doing business with us a lot more than it will screw us up. In a few years we won't be able to say that.
Look at the American IP subnets. If you try to run a business from a DHCP IP address you'll get so badly blocked you'll be hardly able to talk to yourself. So what do you do? You take the initiative to conduct your business from a non-DHCP IP address. And there's no way in hell that anyone can ever get that changed no matter what they do. The Administrators just simply will not tolerate it.
So why can't the same be applied to a nation of spammers? I really don't see any serious difference between RBL on DHCP IP addresses and RBL on Chinese IP addresses. If they can't do business with you via email, then it's their problem to figure something of a solution.
So if I make a post to a mailing list advocating the use of such-and-so software for solving some problem, like filtering spam, does that make me a spammer?
Honestly, they can call it whatever the heck they want. It's like trying to define porn. "I don't know how to define it, but I'll sure know it when I see it." We have a lot of filtering systems that seem to be much more effective at identifying spam than the congress-critters can. So if you don't mind, I'll just keep by bogofilter and ignore the rest.
It's fairly obvious that the U.S. Congress is not longer representative of the people who elect them. They get spam and they know what it is. We get spam and we know what it is. So why do you think it is that they just can't make a determination of what spam actually is?
How about something like this: If I didn't ask for it, or I don't already know who you are via mailing lists, orginazations that I belong to, or products that I have purchased directly from your company and have selected the "send me mail" box (which is OFF by default) then you are spam. In short -- no cold calling on the internet.
How hard can that be to actually write down? I did it and I'm not a congress-critter.
When you block legitimate mail from a legitimate server that's properly configured, you have failed. I can block spam very effectively be pulling the cable out of the wall, but it's not very effective at allowing people to send mail.
This is all very interesting, and I was even thinking to just block the asian nations would solve a lot of spam. But then I realized that I don't get much spam from there.
Most of my spam, greater than 90%, comes from the zombied US DSL machines as proof of their addresses when trying to connect I believe a large portion of the spam that exists also links back to chinese websites, not delivered from chinese mail servers.
I recently turned on greylisting and all the viagra/herbal/biggus diccus stuff is 100% gone. Not one in a week, normally there are >30 per day. Now all my spam is from France and somewhere in Asia. But that's like 2 a day.
Isn't there some way we can identify the entire Chinese IP block and just shut them down? If they don't care, then they can just go back to being isolationists as they have been for the past 5,000 years. They didn't mind and neither did we. But this kind of behaviour sucks.
Honestly, I can't think of anything else that could possibly be done short of forwarding all chinese spam to the UN and seeing if they can actually do ANYTHING in the next decade or so.
Seems to me that they did an excellent job with compatability. Bug for Bug? I think I read somewhere that someone did a Bug for Bug on VI and no one complained. I consider this a positive point on the thoroughness and accuracy in the Wine project.
From many of the other posts already present, and viewing the photos, I would venture to guess that the biggest question right now is, "How will it hold up in someplace like Minnesota, Dakotas, Main... Where is wet, cold, windy, and generally a harsh environment".
Another consideration I would have is the thermal insulation this can provide. We need to start thinking in much larger insulation performance than what we have had in the past.
This depends upon the definition of Spam that you have. The first definition is the obvious Viagra and East Block Animal Porn. Along with this comes the Pharmaceuticals and Virus.
The second form of Spam is the business related Cold Callers. While you don't want to exclude all Cold Callers, because that would severely limit the effectiveness of email as a communications tool, you end up being unable to exclude the spammy Cold Callers.
As a specific example. Let's say you are in the business of Stocks and Bonds. Business communications is vital to your success. CR's inhibit this. But what's worse is that you are going to be pummelled by the Stock Advice spammers that are acting more like telemarketers, just trying addresses to see if they can sell a tip.
CR causes a lost in successful business communications on the first part and does nothing to slow down the stock spam of the second part. Turning these guys towards a system that conducts the other established methods of UCE is very effective.
There are other tools that this guy implies, DNS stuff and such. But these are managed very effectively using existing tools. I'm not sure what else this project will be able to bring to the table, but I would never consider CR unless forced to. It's time is definitely not here.
Today you are right. But if everyone forced HELO and Sender domains to be DNS listed it would only be a matter of time before someone started to fix all the spam tools to work accordingly. Right now they just don't do it becuase they don't need to.
The RFC says that you can have either no domain assigned at all for an IP address, or you have to have a Fully Qualified Domain Name for the IP address. A lot of people go for option one because they don't want their sending mail server to be listed on the DNS records. I guess it's a Security through Obscurity feature?
Challenge/Response Authentication sucks ass.
I have tried it several times in the past and found there were several problems with it.
You have a lot of dancing to do in order to get automated mail through the system: order confirmation, subscription confirmations... even other Callenge/Response confirmations from other people. So you have to constantly monitor the system much more than usual.
Most people hate it and just never talk to you.
Spammers will respond to a auto-confirmation with their own automated reply engine. After that, they pummel the crap out of your server with free & clear spam that's never checked again.
This caused me to unilaterally reject any kind of CR system out there. It made my email server accept more spam than it ever did before.
The problem with this concept is that you have to know who your contact list is before you start contacting people. And if you both have this policy, then there is no way you can use email as a means of initial communication. It becomes second fiddle to something else.
Not very practical because if you ask someone to send you an email you have to first get their address and that might also require that you get their sending server DNS and IP information as well. And just how many people will bother with that?
When setting up email servers, you have to first decide if you will allow someone to contact you via a cold call. That is, if they aren't preloaded into the system. And if not, how do you handle that. Contact lists are only so valid. What if someone goes on vacation, transfers, reassigns, or even gets married? Now you have to maintain these contact lists.
You're confusing the Patriot Act with FCC Licensing. How else do you think this will be realized? The FCC will sell IP space at an auction. And I wouldn't expect the FCC to do anything like sell individually to consumers who would love nothing more than a single static IP in their life.
Rather, they will sell HUGE blocks of IP address space to the people who can afford to pony up the bucks. It's a great way to pay off the debt too! But you can bet your life that the owners of USA IP Space will be the likes of MSN, AOL, SBC. And the rest of us piss-ants will have to pay them to use the internet under their rules. And remember, Freedom of Speech doesn't apply when you are talking to a Company.
What it really means is that you won't be able to access the internet unless you use a Certified firewall appliance that is only sold by Microsoft for a modest fee.
While this may be based on the best of intentions, do not think for a second that the final objective will be to limit access to the internet to only those with enough funds to afford the licensing.
Rememeber, once upon a time Television and Radio broadcasting was FREE. Now it's extremely expensive because of licensing costs. What Tenet proposes will become a case for selling IP addresses to user on an Auction basis. And if you can't compete, you don't get the IP. Static IP's will cost MUCH MORE
Without some serious effort to block Big Business, this will be the end of the internet in terms of freedom of use, access, and expression.
Sometimes they will run a show 1 or 2 minutes later than posted so you miss the ending. This really gets me pissed. I've actually stopped watching a few shows because of this and I simply will not record anything from TBS because they are very consistent about missing their posted times.
TV for me is a luxury and not a necessity. If the channels don't work in such a way that my TiVO doesn't record them, I go someplace else. Considering the PVR's (particularly TiVO) is about to start reporting their recording stats to the network broadcasters, I think it would be smart for them not to screw with the TiVO people.
There are definitely a number of channels and shows that I've stopped watching because the posting timetable is consistently wrong by up to 5 minutes. Using TiVO, I don't really see how I could go back to watching all that crap at the peak hours of my day.
It's my impression from the media that a majority of 0wned machines are in the US and there seems to be little evidence that US ISPs are taking the same type of action.
I would think that an ISP like this would get more attention in the Geek Scene
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Yup! I can see where there might be some who like it's appearance.
Personally I think it's a completely different approach to design than Apple. It's Dark.
ODBC is slow
Installation of databases is becoming so simplistic that it is becoming less and less of an issue every year.
I can see where someone might want to play with a single user type of database. But I've read articles that MySQL was the best candidate for this because of it's simplistic deployment.
If you price out a 1GHz C3 board ($185) and a 14" monitor ($250) you are quickly topping out near $450. Considering that you get a finished system, it's a pretty decent price.
If this thing runs PXE boot it would make a great LTSP terminal after you remove the hard drive.
Really? I wonder how Fucked Up Microsoft credit is?
I recall in Michigan there was a problem where the State is not allowed to do business with any convicted felons. After Microsoft was convicted, the State of Michigan changed the law.
You live in an idealistic world.
I live in a sarcastic one.
I think you missed something. If you make a warm call to me then you can make a reference to the original connection. An example would be to have a purchase order or customer number identified as a part of the email (header or body). That would identify that they either made up the number if they can't present it or didn't provide one because they don't have one.
And spammers are not stupid. You under-estimate them. With a business of $21Billion it's not going to attract only the idiots. But that kind of money will attract a lot of really smart people too.
I read from the article that they intend to have an application that mimics MS Access.
I hope they do a really bad job at this. A full featured mimic of MS Access would introduce a variety of really bizarre errors, instabilities and WTfs into their feature set.
Actually, I'm surprised they didn't just roll off something that ran on a database plug-in. And that plug-in would support MySQL or Postgresql. By supporting both you avoid the flame wars and by supporting a real database you get some real capabilities.
Buy an ultra cheap POS case and strip out the PCI backplane for the rear of the case and the ATX mounting plate for the mobo. Then build the rest of the case out of wood. Been there, done that. nice!
Good question. Now the problem becomes a matter of collection and identification of who actually has the money to pay this. They may have won. But until they can get the collection process started I question it's value.
How many times have companies lost in a suit only to have the collection phase take 10-20 years, basically wearing down the suit winner into accepting a fraction of their due?
The problem is you can't really put these people in jail until they pay up. IIRC that's referred to as debtors prison and they tossed that idea out a long time ago.
I'm an advocate for blocking all Chinese IP addresses from the Western Hemisphere. We've managed doing business for the last 2000 years without them, we won't die if we blow them off. It's going to screw them up not doing business with us a lot more than it will screw us up. In a few years we won't be able to say that.
Look at the American IP subnets. If you try to run a business from a DHCP IP address you'll get so badly blocked you'll be hardly able to talk to yourself. So what do you do? You take the initiative to conduct your business from a non-DHCP IP address. And there's no way in hell that anyone can ever get that changed no matter what they do. The Administrators just simply will not tolerate it.
So why can't the same be applied to a nation of spammers? I really don't see any serious difference between RBL on DHCP IP addresses and RBL on Chinese IP addresses. If they can't do business with you via email, then it's their problem to figure something of a solution.
So if I make a post to a mailing list advocating the use of such-and-so software for solving some problem, like filtering spam, does that make me a spammer?
Honestly, they can call it whatever the heck they want. It's like trying to define porn. "I don't know how to define it, but I'll sure know it when I see it." We have a lot of filtering systems that seem to be much more effective at identifying spam than the congress-critters can. So if you don't mind, I'll just keep by bogofilter and ignore the rest.
It's fairly obvious that the U.S. Congress is not longer representative of the people who elect them. They get spam and they know what it is. We get spam and we know what it is. So why do you think it is that they just can't make a determination of what spam actually is?
How about something like this: If I didn't ask for it, or I don't already know who you are via mailing lists, orginazations that I belong to, or products that I have purchased directly from your company and have selected the "send me mail" box (which is OFF by default) then you are spam. In short -- no cold calling on the internet.
How hard can that be to actually write down? I did it and I'm not a congress-critter.
I think if you look into this further, you will find that they are sending email from legitimate mail servers, not zombies.
419 and other lottery types of spam do this with regularity.
When you block legitimate mail from a legitimate server that's properly configured, you have failed. I can block spam very effectively be pulling the cable out of the wall, but it's not very effective at allowing people to send mail.
Draconian at best.
This is all very interesting, and I was even thinking to just block the asian nations would solve a lot of spam. But then I realized that I don't get much spam from there.
Most of my spam, greater than 90%, comes from the zombied US DSL machines as proof of their addresses when trying to connect I believe a large portion of the spam that exists also links back to chinese websites, not delivered from chinese mail servers.
I recently turned on greylisting and all the viagra/herbal/biggus diccus stuff is 100% gone. Not one in a week, normally there are >30 per day. Now all my spam is from France and somewhere in Asia. But that's like 2 a day.
And obviously you can whitelist those specific IP Addresses for those specific mail servers that you need to do business with.
If they have a problem with it, tell them to call their local sheriff, not you.
Isn't there some way we can identify the entire Chinese IP block and just shut them down? If they don't care, then they can just go back to being isolationists as they have been for the past 5,000 years. They didn't mind and neither did we. But this kind of behaviour sucks.
Honestly, I can't think of anything else that could possibly be done short of forwarding all chinese spam to the UN and seeing if they can actually do ANYTHING in the next decade or so.
Seems to me that they did an excellent job with compatability. Bug for Bug? I think I read somewhere that someone did a Bug for Bug on VI and no one complained. I consider this a positive point on the thoroughness and accuracy in the Wine project.
But is it warm by today's standards?
From many of the other posts already present, and viewing the photos, I would venture to guess that the biggest question right now is, "How will it hold up in someplace like Minnesota, Dakotas, Main... Where is wet, cold, windy, and generally a harsh environment".
Another consideration I would have is the thermal insulation this can provide. We need to start thinking in much larger insulation performance than what we have had in the past.
This depends upon the definition of Spam that you have. The first definition is the obvious Viagra and East Block Animal Porn. Along with this comes the Pharmaceuticals and Virus.
The second form of Spam is the business related Cold Callers. While you don't want to exclude all Cold Callers, because that would severely limit the effectiveness of email as a communications tool, you end up being unable to exclude the spammy Cold Callers.
As a specific example. Let's say you are in the business of Stocks and Bonds. Business communications is vital to your success. CR's inhibit this. But what's worse is that you are going to be pummelled by the Stock Advice spammers that are acting more like telemarketers, just trying addresses to see if they can sell a tip.
CR causes a lost in successful business communications on the first part and does nothing to slow down the stock spam of the second part. Turning these guys towards a system that conducts the other established methods of UCE is very effective.
There are other tools that this guy implies, DNS stuff and such. But these are managed very effectively using existing tools. I'm not sure what else this project will be able to bring to the table, but I would never consider CR unless forced to. It's time is definitely not here.
Today you are right. But if everyone forced HELO and Sender domains to be DNS listed it would only be a matter of time before someone started to fix all the spam tools to work accordingly. Right now they just don't do it becuase they don't need to.
The RFC says that you can have either no domain assigned at all for an IP address, or you have to have a Fully Qualified Domain Name for the IP address. A lot of people go for option one because they don't want their sending mail server to be listed on the DNS records. I guess it's a Security through Obscurity feature?
Challenge/Response Authentication sucks ass.
I have tried it several times in the past and found there were several problems with it.
- You have a lot of dancing to do in order to get automated mail through the system: order confirmation, subscription confirmations... even other Callenge/Response confirmations from other people. So you have to constantly monitor the system much more than usual.
- Most people hate it and just never talk to you.
- Spammers will respond to a auto-confirmation with their own automated reply engine. After that, they pummel the crap out of your server with free & clear spam that's never checked again.
This caused me to unilaterally reject any kind of CR system out there. It made my email server accept more spam than it ever did before.The problem with this concept is that you have to know who your contact list is before you start contacting people. And if you both have this policy, then there is no way you can use email as a means of initial communication. It becomes second fiddle to something else.
Not very practical because if you ask someone to send you an email you have to first get their address and that might also require that you get their sending server DNS and IP information as well. And just how many people will bother with that?
When setting up email servers, you have to first decide if you will allow someone to contact you via a cold call. That is, if they aren't preloaded into the system. And if not, how do you handle that. Contact lists are only so valid. What if someone goes on vacation, transfers, reassigns, or even gets married? Now you have to maintain these contact lists.
You're confusing the Patriot Act with FCC Licensing. How else do you think this will be realized? The FCC will sell IP space at an auction. And I wouldn't expect the FCC to do anything like sell individually to consumers who would love nothing more than a single static IP in their life.
Rather, they will sell HUGE blocks of IP address space to the people who can afford to pony up the bucks. It's a great way to pay off the debt too! But you can bet your life that the owners of USA IP Space will be the likes of MSN, AOL, SBC. And the rest of us piss-ants will have to pay them to use the internet under their rules. And remember, Freedom of Speech doesn't apply when you are talking to a Company.
What it really means is that you won't be able to access the internet unless you use a Certified firewall appliance that is only sold by Microsoft for a modest fee.
While this may be based on the best of intentions, do not think for a second that the final objective will be to limit access to the internet to only those with enough funds to afford the licensing.
Rememeber, once upon a time Television and Radio broadcasting was FREE. Now it's extremely expensive because of licensing costs. What Tenet proposes will become a case for selling IP addresses to user on an Auction basis. And if you can't compete, you don't get the IP. Static IP's will cost MUCH MORE
Without some serious effort to block Big Business, this will be the end of the internet in terms of freedom of use, access, and expression.
I've noticed this as well.
Sometimes they will run a show 1 or 2 minutes later than posted so you miss the ending. This really gets me pissed. I've actually stopped watching a few shows because of this and I simply will not record anything from TBS because they are very consistent about missing their posted times.
TV for me is a luxury and not a necessity. If the channels don't work in such a way that my TiVO doesn't record them, I go someplace else. Considering the PVR's (particularly TiVO) is about to start reporting their recording stats to the network broadcasters, I think it would be smart for them not to screw with the TiVO people.
There are definitely a number of channels and shows that I've stopped watching because the posting timetable is consistently wrong by up to 5 minutes. Using TiVO, I don't really see how I could go back to watching all that crap at the peak hours of my day.
This is great! Exactly what I would like to see.
It's my impression from the media that a majority of 0wned machines are in the US and there seems to be little evidence that US ISPs are taking the same type of action.
I would think that an ISP like this would get more attention in the Geek Scene