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ASUS Barebones: Multimedia Even Sans Hard Drive

technomegalomaniac writes "This new stylish barebones combo from ASUS (case+motherboard) is going to outdo Apple in 'the way it looks matters' department. Customizable to your heart content, no OS included (obviously, since you need to buy your own hard drive). Comes with 'Instant On' software that lets you play CDs, DVDs and MP3s without entering the primary OS thus bypassing the long boot process. Definitely a living room toy." Doesn't beat Apple hardware in my eyes, but still looks like a nifty box.

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  1. I can't be the only one.... by SparksMcGee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    who looks at that and thinks "damn that's fugly"

    1. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Atrax · · Score: 0

      No more ugly than the majority of crappy beige boxes. and a smaller form-factor too. It's not really that bad. look again, it'll grow on you.

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    2. Re:I can't be the only one.... by isometrick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Might actually be good for a dorm room, where space is limited. I do wonder how functional the built in stuff is, though.

    3. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No - in fact it seems to me to be a parody of a secret-agency-device .. geez it ugly!

    4. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously have no taste, I bet your computer is a beige monstrosity with coffee stains on the keyboard.

    5. Re:I can't be the only one.... by harlequinSmurf · · Score: 1

      dont worry your not. my first thought was "GOD DAMN, THAT'S FUGLY"

    6. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation:

      You're obviously not a yuppie sign consumer, like me. I'm so cool.

    7. Re:I can't be the only one.... by ericdano · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Maybe if it was white. And had a nifty little LCD interface. And had firewire. And a click/scroll wheel. Wait....that sounds like an iPod. Nevermind...

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    8. Re:I can't be the only one.... by zorkmid · · Score: 1

      You're not. Fugly and worse still with that funky handle on top and its shape it's not stackable.

      I'm using a CoolerMaster Cavalier as a MythTV box. Fits nice with all my other Set top boxes stacked up on it.

    9. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i hate apple, and i still think that their computers look better than THIS. its like a friggen microwave. i was seriously expecting somehting inovative from the summary, and i really did think the URL was messed up and it really WAS going to a microwave site, until i actually looked at it for a few seconds.

      style aside, its a pretty cool looking computer, and you can use linux on it without worrying about support for all the multimedia crap.

    10. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fugly and worse still with that funky handle on top and its shape it's not stackable.

      Sure it's stackable, as long as it is on the top of the stack.

    11. Re:I can't be the only one.... by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 3, Informative

      This has been around for a while, and I think everyone but the person who submitted this would agree it's hideous. This thing has been getting called ugly for a long time now.

    12. Re:I can't be the only one.... by andreyw · · Score: 1

      No... when I read the blurb I though I was going to see something sleek, slim-desktop and black brushed-metal. Something that *LOOKS* like it belongs near my Harman-Kardon receiver, not something that looks like it belongs to be stacked on top of one of those tiny dorm fridges...

      220W power supply? What the hell is that good for nowadays? And this beats a good-looking HTPC case and an EPIA how?

    13. Re:I can't be the only one.... by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Funny

      who looks at that and thinks "damn that's fugly"

      No no no. When the Imacs were first introduced... when in LA they had the big poster with John Lennon and Yoko Ono waking up in bed with a rainbow of imacs logo titled "think different." I could just imagine John Lennon's balloon saying, "piece of crypto fascist Bourgeois crap" and Yoko Ono saying, "I kind of like it". That is fugly.

      This new Asus barebones on the other hand is only as ugly as that plastic tool box by Black and Decker. I understand where they are coming from trying to sorta merge the beige box with classic black hifi equipment. Unfortunatly in this case it's about as pretty as a black powder coated toaster. But by no means is it fugly.

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    14. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Blender · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ok, I agree with you that it is just as ugly as your ordinary beige box, BUT... it's not a beige box. ASUS tried their best to make a good looking non-beige box... and failed. This thing IMHO is just as ugly as a beige box. I wouldn't want one of these in the living room either.

    15. Re:I can't be the only one.... by sirwallyc · · Score: 0

      The HP models actually look quite nice, if you are in the market for a machine that fits well in a stack of HiFi components. A tad pricey, but the nicest models I have seen to date.

      HP x545: http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shoppi ng/scripts/home/store_access.jsp?product_code=PP14 7AA%23ABA&aoid=1024&template_type=product_detail&s cript_name=product.cgi
      HP z540: http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shoppi ng/scripts/home/store_access.jsp?product_code=PN06 5AA%23ABA&aoid=1024&template_type=product_detail&s cript_name=product.cgi

    16. Re:I can't be the only one.... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Myself, I'd like an SFF with a handle. If I've got an SFF, I'm going to move it around a fair bit. Now, maybe the handle could be in a recess (that'll just make the case taller, though, so there's room for a recess), or even removable.

    17. Re:I can't be the only one.... by tacocat · · Score: 1

      Yup! I can see where there might be some who like it's appearance.

      Personally I think it's a completely different approach to design than Apple. It's Dark.

    18. Re:I can't be the only one.... by mjpaci · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, it'll grow on you... Like Jock-itch.

      The box looks like a portable geiger-counter or 'nifty-virus identifying device from the future."

      Not fugly, but not in the same class as Apple.

      --Mike

    19. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to pull off those links dumbass.

    20. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Looks quite nice actually. Don't like the lump on the top though (you can't stack things on it!).

      Not nearly as ugly as the original imac :) (Apple have done some really crappy looking stuff too).

    21. Re:I can't be the only one.... by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1
      It's not even the best offering from ASUS. Now this is sleek looking:

      http://usa.asus.com/products/desktop/digimatrix/ov erview.htm#

    22. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ain't It is Fugly

    23. Re:I can't be the only one.... by zev1983 · · Score: 1

      The should not have called it 'S-presso', I actually thought it was an espresso machine...

    24. Re:I can't be the only one.... by asr_man · · Score: 3, Funny

      Looks like a 24-pack Bud that was shrink wrapped in a garbage bag.
      I wouldn't dare leave it in the living room for fear someone would take it out with the trash.

    25. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple does trendy stuff. All Apple stuff looks awful in a couple of years when the trend canges.

    26. Re:I can't be the only one.... by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that lump is there on purpose to make sure people don't stack stuff on top of this guy. It probably vents from the top and can't handle having stuff stacked on it.

      That lump is butt ugly though.

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    27. Re:I can't be the only one.... by generic-man · · Score: 2, Funny

      I bet it has evil DRM.

      (Score: 5, Fearmongering)

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    28. Re:I can't be the only one.... by isdnip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The DigiMatrix you point to does, indeed, look a lot more appropriate for a home entertainment system.

      Alas, only it has a built-in SiS video system, which is rather limited in 3D performance, though apparently adequate for SDTV. And while it says it take a Socket 478 Northwood CPU, I'm bewildered as to how you can fit much of a heat sink into that low profile box! Much as I dislike overly-fat boxes (and I think the base-note's system-cube-with-handle is indeed inappropriate for an entertainment system), I can't help thinking that DigiMatrix could use a little extra headroom, for a slot or two if not just cooling.

    29. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.
      It's like they dug up the designer of the Sinclair QL
      realized it was a bad idea and took a belt sander to the design.

    30. Re:I can't be the only one.... by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1

      Yes, they should have gone with an nforce2 board with integrated geforce 4 igp. Would make a good game machine then as well. Cooling may be why they did not do this.

    31. Re:I can't be the only one.... by mrhartwig · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, according to the info on the web page (What?!? You didn't *read* the referenced material?!?!?) venting is in the sides, out the back.

    32. Re:I can't be the only one.... by m3talsling3r · · Score: 1

      Here here! That's one ugly piece of hardware... what's with the handle sticking out for no apparent reason. Not to mention that's the only smooth contoured line, the rest is just a box. This reminds me of all the gateway iMac copycat attempt... only worse looking.

      Don't get me wrong. Nice piece of hardware, at least idea wise, but not up on the design by far.

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    33. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      Yes, because when you live in your parents basement and play Asheron's Call with the lights out 24/7, white IS a little bright. ;)

    34. Re:I can't be the only one.... by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Didn't you see? It comes in two colors. Starry Blue and Ivory White. Yes, it does come as a beige box.

    35. Re:I can't be the only one.... by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      "damn that's fugly"

      I don't think so. What I find funny is they competely downplay the fact that it includes a remote. Looking at the pictures you'd guess that you have to touch your case just to play a media file which, to me, is equivalent to walking up to your DVD player to press "play", and who wants to do that? But "hidden" deep in the text it says "This deluxe version of S-presso features a touch-control color display panel as well as a TV tuner, remote control, and multimedia center software." Now don't you think they could have showen a picture of someone using the remote, or at least a picture of the remote somewhere?

      It'd also be cool if the remote somehow attached to it's own little port in the case because something that size with a giant handle is designed to be moved around and it'd sure be nice to snap the remote onto it without having to remember to bring the remote.

      FYI Newegg has the S1-P112 (same case except touchscreen, remote & software) for $215. This site claims to have the one discussed here, the S1-P111, for $250.

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    36. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just ugly, but gay.

    37. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 0
      "Don't like the lump on the top though (you can't stack things on it!)"
      1. Make add-on platform kludge to fit on top. Put blue LEDs or something all over it. And knobs, that go to 11.
      2. Sell it for many many $£ to sad fucks.
      3. ...
      4. Profit!!!!!!
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    38. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 0
      It probably vents from the top it.
      How clever of the designers to conceal the holes so well.
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    39. Re:I can't be the only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hee hee. Sarky twat. Still, better than being a stupid one like jandrese (which part of RTFA does he not understand?)

  2. Outdoing Apple?? by ValiantSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How do the looks of this thing outdo Apple's?
    This thing is just a black box with a handle and a color LCD display. Compare that to the current and previous iMacs.

    1. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by FlipmodePlaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, if you'd like to simplify this device into a 'box with a handle and a color LCD', you could do just the same for the iMac... Obviously, looks are subjective; it doesn't matter what the submiter thinks so you, nor what you think to him.

    2. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by stonda · · Score: 1

      Hey, always bet on black. (ok ok, the handle in the case sure looks bulky but nevertheless..)

    3. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by ValiantSoul · · Score: 1

      By color LCD I meant the type of LCD you find on a car's CD player, not something like a monitor.

    4. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Atrax · · Score: 1

      you mean LED, not LCD, surely?

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    5. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by JanneM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, the blodless semi-transparent white is getting a bit long in the tooth to be honest. The benefit of basic black is that it never really gets old.

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    6. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      "Compare that to the current and previous iMacs."

      The "flower" iMac was hideous. *shrug* I'm not a big fan of the current model either (the form factor makes sense for an iPod, not for a whole computer). The original iMac, though, was incredible.

    7. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by ValiantSoul · · Score: 1

      "the form factor makes sense for an iPod"
      They designed it after the iPod, hoping people would see similarities and figure if the iPod was so great, why not the iMac. Personally I've liked every iMac model they've made and have owned more than one of each (with the exception of the latest).

    8. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i only like the desklamp model. the current one is fugly and the first one was too damn colorful.

    9. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by anagama · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      • How do the looks of this thing outdo Apple's? This thing is just a black box with a handle and a color LCD display. Compare that to the current and previous iMacs.

      Agreed. The issue with almost all PC hardware is that it is overpowered by a sort of "mechwarrior" sensibility. And while this might look cool in anime, it doesn't really translate well to real life. I'm typing this on a brand new ibook - the design is very clean. I would like it even better without the apple logo lighting up on the front. On the other hand, the featured case is at best OK - the handle on top looks overdone and would make stacking stuff on it hard - the design is definitely not enhancing function. The multicolored LCD display is gaudy and confusing - like many stereos in the late 80s (and likely newer ones as well - I stopped looking after college). Finally, even Mac has put out some butt ugly junk (round base imacs for example - looks like it is trying too hard to be stylish). Some of the best looking stuff around (and to be fair - some of the worst) is on the mini-itx projects pages.
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    10. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope, he meant exactly what he said. car head units use primative colour LCD's, you see the text/images they display is made with liquid crystal, not light emitting diodes. now quit trying to act smart you fuckin n00b

    11. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by ocelotbob · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      It's small, it's functional, it's unobtrusive and decent looking and it's inexpensive. Outdoes apple on four counts right there - size, function, appearance, and cost.

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    12. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      primative?

    13. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      I would like it even better without the apple logo lighting up on the front.
      What, the "I'm Gay" Beacon?
    14. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the blodless semi-transparent white is getting a bit long in the tooth to be honest.

      You might think so, but the material (double-shot plastic) has a lot of life left in it. You can do a lot of interesting things with it. The current Apple look is just that, the current look.

      The benefit of basic black is that it never really gets old.

      Which is why the PowerBook G5 is to be made with a black carbon fiber body.

    15. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Chrysophrase · · Score: 1

      Totally agree.

      This "thing" looks more like a doorstop. That's why they put a handle on top, probably.

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    16. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well let's see... It's curvey box shape, it won't fit in with any of the other HiFi components in the living room, and because it has a silly handle like some kind of cylinder hoover, you can't stack them, or other things on top...

      Yeah, looks like an apple to me!

    17. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by identity0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree. That thing looks really ugly.

      What I don't get is why Sony doesn't get more press on Slashdot, except for their robots and PS2. Among the PC manufacturers, they are the most stylish, and are probobly the most innovative in terms of design. They also are closer to achieving the "digital hub" than Apple, to boot. Too bad their best stuff is relased only in Japan.

      Check out some of their kickass designs:

      http://www.vaio.sony.co.jp/Products/VGX-X90P/ - The Type X models, a PC media server with P4/3.6 Ghz, 1920x1080 TV display, 6 simultanious channel TV tuner, 1TB storage (127 hours of high-quality Mpegs), remote control, DVD recorder, network video server, and remote control.

      http://www.vaio.sony.co.jp/Products/VGC-M50B/ - Type M model, a PC that can be used as a TV or a standalone stereo with its keyboard folded.

      Couple of nice notebook designs:
      http://www.dynamism.com/x505/main.shtml
      http://www.dynamism.com/u101/main.shtml

    18. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by jeif1k · · Score: 1

      This thing is just a black box with a handle and a color LCD display. Compare that to the current and previous iMacs.

      I think iMac has been a pretty mixed bag. I think the gumdrop iMac was done pretty nicely. The pile-of-rice iMac was a little too extreme looking for many people. And I find the current iMac ugly--with its huge bezel, it just looks like a low-end LCD screen, even though it actually manages to squeeze a computer in there.

      As for this thing, I think the handle does it in. Without the handle, it would be quite elegant, along the lines of the acrylic-trashcan-toaster G4, which I think is still Apple's nicest design in recent years.

    19. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

      It makes more sense if you see it in public. I didn't get it until I had a chance to go use one and found it to be quite enjoyable.

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    20. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      They also are closer to achieving the "digital hub" than Apple, to boot.

      Care to back that up^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H explain?

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    21. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      Actually, most of the displays are actually not LCDs, but VFDs. (Vacuum Flourescent Display) which is what this machine appears to have.

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    22. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      No, actually, scratch that. It is LED. I imagine that's going to be hideous.

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    23. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      "Personally I've liked every iMac model they've made and have owned more than one of each (with the exception of the latest)."

      Dear god, why? I'd much rather spend my money on different types of machines (I own an iBook, a Windows desktop for gaming, a Linux box for sharing files, etc).

    24. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by eric_brissette · · Score: 0

      The issue with almost all PC hardware is that it is overpowered by a sort of "mechwarrior" sensibility.

      That description makes me think of bookshelf stereo systems made by Aiwa. All silver and full of funky pods and grilles with a disco floor LCD display that constantly blinks.

    25. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by MasTRE · · Score: 1

      > What I don't get is why Sony doesn't get more press on Slashdot, except for their robots and PS2.

      Because the only thing worse than Sony is, you guessed it - Apple!

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    26. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by nikkoslack · · Score: 1

      'Cause Sony's PC performance kinda blows vs. price

    27. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by SengirV · · Score: 1

      The type M model is the stupidest thing I've seen in a long time. Lets make the form factor of a laptop and stick it on some speakers so that it cant be portable - It'll sell like hotcakes.

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    28. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Lysol · · Score: 1

      I agree with you regarding Sony's industrial design. It is the only company that can stand on the same platform as Apple.

      However, XP is junk. And I know that Sony has little choice until they get their own version of Linux out. But using a high-end Mac and a high-end Sony (in this case, the Type-X) with XP - there's no contest. I think Sony realizes this and only when they come out with their own branded OS will they really get a leg up on Apple.

      Of course by then, Apple will have entered the home entertainment market as well. And that will be some interesting times.

    29. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by 0racle · · Score: 1

      come out with their own branded OS will they really get a leg up on Apple
      Indeed, creating a product that 90% of the market will refuse to use will put it in the same league as Apple.

      I like Mac's.

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    30. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Lispy · · Score: 1

      Errrrr, this is NOT a dockingstation? It is firmly installed? Then indeed it's stupid.

    31. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Looks are subjective, and not nearly as important as good design.

      Looks to me like that LCD touch panel where you touch about a half inch in front of the LCD is going to be a very poor design, unless the box is at eye level.

      Which would mean you have to look at it all the time, which would be bad, because it's pretty ugly.

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    32. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by PhraudulentOne · · Score: 1

      I agree, if you look HERE, there are (IMHO) 12 cases that look waaaay better than the ASUS offering and would fit right in to your home theatre setup.

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    33. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Not that this would ever happen....but if Apple wanted to offer OS X to the X86 market, their safest bet would be with Sony, since they're just about as strict on system integration and the overall user experience.

    34. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by ValiantSoul · · Score: 1

      I wasn't very specific, sorry. I meant more than one of each type of model (so more than one of the CRT iMacs, more than one of previous model, and one of the latest) and not at the same time. Right now I just have a 17" of the latest iMac.

    35. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it that ridiculous to speculate that Sony would create their own (likely propreitary) OS?

      They gave us Betamax, the Minidisc, Digital 8... And I could go on.

    36. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Each of those was intended to become a standard at a time when there was no existing one. Right now however, for desktops Windows is the undisputed standard. So yes, I would say that it is ridiculous to speculate that Sony would create their own OS now.

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    37. Re:Outdoing Apple?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Personally I've liked every iMac model they've made and have owned more than one of each (with the exception of the latest)."

      Backs to the wall, lads!

  3. Starts to look like a stereo by jokumuu · · Score: 1

    So I am not sure it looks speacilly nice, as it basically looks like your average stereo. Ofcourse compared to some horrors cases...

    1. Re:Starts to look like a stereo by pod · · Score: 1
      So I am not sure it looks speacilly nice, as it basically looks like your average stereo.

      ?!?

      It does?! Looks nothing like any stereo I've ever seen.

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  4. Done and Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought ASUS already had the ready to play onm thier motherboards in the past. But this is still a cool little device.

  5. Gaming system? by rhennigan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the article:
    The S1-P112 is a pure gaming system tailored for those who enjoy playing the latest 3D titles.

    I hope this thing packs a decent power supply, unlike most barebone systems if its going to be running a recent video card. That has been the only thing so far that has kept me off of these things. I find one I like and realize that the 240w PS just isn't gonna cut it with my Geforce 6800.

    1. Re:Gaming system? by Atrax · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd be worried about cooling if you crammed more wattage in, especially since my current rig has a tendency to overheat even with two extra fans + an external fan blowing onto the case.

      Climate thing possibly (summer in Sydney)

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    2. Re:Gaming system? by bugbeak · · Score: 1

      And if this is for the "latest 3D games", where's PCI Express?

    3. Re:Gaming system? by BlakeLupa · · Score: 1

      The control panel looks like an oven to me. May it doubles as a toaster, or it's computer and easy bake oven?

    4. Re:Gaming system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put a Prescott in it and you'll have the toaster capabilities in there.

    5. Re:Gaming system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can easily run high end components in an sff. its not the wattage its the quality of said wattage.

      shuttle sb75g2
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      silentx 250watt psu

    6. Re:Gaming system? by einar2 · · Score: 1

      German PC magazine "ct" has an article about barebone systems. The S-presso is considered a good barebone with weak gaming perfomance and shitty audio.

    7. Re:Gaming system? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I can cool my high-end systems quite well, even in 95F degree ambient temps. I'm sure the summer temps in Sydney don't come close to the summer temps here in the Mojave Desert.

      A couple decent 80mm thermo-controlled fans is all you need. Your computer shouldn't be in any sort of a cabinet, or near any that potentially restrictly airflow. And finally, remove thermal-tape that comes on many heatsinks, and use a small bit of thermal paste instead... Big tempurature difference with just that small change.

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    8. Re:Gaming system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put an Athlon in it and you'll have the toaster capabilities in there.

    9. Re:Gaming system? by duncangough · · Score: 1

      The new Shuttle's can handle _real_ graphics cards and they put the power supply on the outside - which makes the whole thing much quieter too

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    10. Re:Gaming system? by slittle · · Score: 1

      Ehh.. that's only 35 degrees (in real measurements). Try 40 in the city and 45 out in the western suburbs. Now put a PC or three indoors, which of course generate their own heat. Unless you're home and/or leave your A/C on all day, it's going to get mighty toasty.

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    11. Re:Gaming system? by ppz003 · · Score: 1

      I find one I like and realize that the 240w PS just isn't gonna cut it with my Geforce 6800.

      I think a 240w PS should be adequate for your GeForce 6800. Now for the rest of the system, just make sure you get another 300w PS or better. :-)

    12. Re:Gaming system? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure he was talking about indoor temps of 95 degrees F. 45C is 113 F, which is pretty moderate for the Mojave desert, which frequently exceed 120F (about 50C) for long periods of time.

      But, hey, if it makes you feel better, Sydney's pretty hot too.

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    13. Re:Gaming system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shuttle's SB81P (I think, I DO get the model numbers confused).... has a 350W power supply.

      Yep:

      http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/SB81P .a sp

      Nice little gaming box there in a SFF.

      Looks like there's a couple brand new ones too that have 350Ws. I know you weren't the only one hoping for that.

    14. Re:Gaming system? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      that's only 35 degrees

      But that is indoor (ambient) tempuratures, with good air conditioning and a well insulated building. Outdoor tempuratures are very near 130F (in the shade) all through summer, and nearly as hot through half of spring and fall...

      Now put a PC or three indoors, which of course generate their own heat.

      That's exactly what I have... 3 PCs, all fairly high-end, that are running all day, every day.
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  6. Hmm by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it me or does that look strikingly similar to a gamecube?

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    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a near-cube with a handle, yes

    2. Re:Hmm by Zebbers · · Score: 1

      Why, cause its a cube?

    3. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the handle you idiot.

    4. Re:Hmm by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 1
      Is it me or does that look strikingly similar to a gamecube?

      Nah. It's just you.

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  7. Not the worst, but cmon... by clf8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But really, what's up with that handle? And, if you're going to make a system made for the living room, why not make something with the appropriate dimensions. And without a handle sticking out the top, making it harder to fit into a space or stack something on it.

    1. Re:Not the worst, but cmon... by Atrax · · Score: 4, Funny

      I bought a desktop case with a handle only to realise at a later date that "duh, when do I carry this damn thing?".

      to date (6 months later) I've carried it once from the shop to my house, then once from my old house to my new house, a grand total of, ooooh, 200m.

      And you just can't put stuff on top. I've got nowhere to keep my remote control t-rex now!

      So yeah, I agree. The handle is quite an annoyance.

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    2. Re:Not the worst, but cmon... by krautcanman · · Score: 1

      I personally would never buy it just because of the stupid handle. Mod the case - cut a window out of the top and install plexi glass or something.

    3. Re:Not the worst, but cmon... by eeg3 · · Score: 1

      Personally, i'm always too afraid the handle will break off and leave my iMac looking messed up to even use the handle.

    4. Re:Not the worst, but cmon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...And without a handle sticking out the top, making it harder to fit into a space or stack something on it.

      I hear that, man. For example, I like to set opened beer bottles on my $1200 computer during my drinking binges, howling and dancing around like some blue-collar avatar of Pan. It's livin' on the edge man, livin' on the edge, oh yeah. If there was a handle on that baby, I'd have to, like, move it to another room to be safe.

    5. Re:Not the worst, but cmon... by jcr · · Score: 1

      i'm always too afraid the handle will break off

      Don't be. That handle is fully capable of supporting the weight of the machine. Don't believe me? Find an iMac that's ready for recycling, and *try* to break the handle.

      I've done so, and I can tell you that polycarbonate is pretty tough stuff.

      -jcr

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    6. Re:Not the worst, but cmon... by Atrax · · Score: 1

      True. if your iMac is beyond help (as mine was) it's possible to take it off somewhere open and swing it round and round and round on that handle.

      No I didn't end up hammer-throwing it across the park, but I figured it was a decent experiment in the strength of the thing. Disclaimer: don't do this with a healthy iMac, just in case.

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    7. Re:Not the worst, but cmon... by 1lus10n · · Score: 1

      http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/jon/humor/vid eo/

      Grab the video labeled mac.wmv .... Yes they can take a beating.

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    8. Re:Not the worst, but cmon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a desktop case with a handle only to realise at a later date that "duh, when do I carry this damn thing?".

      You selfish bastard! Just think how much harder it would be for a thief to acquire your new toy, high-tail it down the street and into the nearest pawn shop to convert this device to cash if it had no handle.

    9. Re:Not the worst, but cmon... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      If you've got one of those imacs with the twist-off handle (never tried, since the only ones I see are at the local university, although someone turned one into a fishtank...) then it's quite possible it might come off... those things are only cheap plastic after all.

  8. Another!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes it's Christmas, but it's a bit late to peddle stuff Mr. Editor!

    Isn't this about the 5th advert in 2 days?

  9. The unholy union has been consumated! by Bill_Royle · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was bound to happen sooner or later: an LCARS system had sex with a clock radio!

    1. Re:The unholy union has been consumated! by WolfgangVonEstevez · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was thinking more of a digital car stereo had sex with a vacuum cleaner.

    2. Re:The unholy union has been consumated! by beegle · · Score: 1

      I realized where I've seen the design before: those crappy radio coolers that are on a lot of department store endcaps at this time of year.

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    3. Re:The unholy union has been consumated! by El+Torico · · Score: 1

      It looks like something Enterprise D or Voyager crewmembers would take on picnics.

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    4. Re:The unholy union has been consumated! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unholy union = shoebox + microwave

    5. Re:The unholy union has been consumated! by Kent+Recal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reminds me of Knight Rider.
      Specifically the episode where K.I.T.T was turned into a portable TV.

  10. S-Presso? by mOoZik · · Score: 4, Funny

    So it makes coffee, too? Take that, Apple!

    1. Re:S-Presso? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it makes coffee, too? Take that, Apple!

      At least they didn't call it the X-presso.

    2. Re:S-Presso? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the kind of pretentious, ostentatious, marketer's-dream-consumer types that buy Macs, I'm sure the ability to make espresso would be a huge boon, because then they could impress their friends even more with their transparent pseudo-intellectual facade!

  11. What I don't like.... by qualico · · Score: 1, Insightful

    220w power supply? enough to power the front display.
    Intel integration.
    Graphics shared memory.

    Its a step in the right direction, but that's not going to be a conversation piece to brag about.
    Dam ugly.

    Now if you want to compete with Apple, make the case transparent.

    Anyone have prices of this yet?
    Its not in the Canadian channels yet.

    1. Re:What I don't like.... by Tesral · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Anyone have prices of this yet?

      Price is the thing I was looking for as well. I tried half a dozen retailer on ASUS' list and on not one could I find the system listed.

      Oh, and I don't like the handler either. The suggestion to build it to stack with TV components is a good one. Ye olde slimline desktop would be perfect. Mix that with a nice big hard drive and MythTV and you have a system.

      Now, if there was only TV worth watching.

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    2. Re:What I don't like.... by kngthdn · · Score: 3, Informative

      It looks like it's going to cost around $250USD, according to Froogle, anyway.

    3. Re:What I don't like.... by dubiousmike · · Score: 1

      about US $250

    4. Re:What I don't like.... by qualico · · Score: 4, Informative

      MythTV is a great suggestion.

      Some guys are using the Intel Integrated motherboards with no problem, although I don't think they are using the graphics part.

      Here is a better case in that case.
      http://www.athenatech.us/a100bb.htm

      Also, http://www.byopvr.com/ has dome good case suggestions.

      PC Alchemy has some nice stuff like this:
      http://www.pcalchemy.com/images/silverstone /lc06/l c06-black.jpg

      Now thats something to brag about.

    5. Re:What I don't like.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The power supply on the new Socket 939 Shuttles are only 250 watts, and they can run an Athlon64 3800+, hard drive, DVD burner, and high end nVidia card just fine. You don't need all that much power or hardware for what it's aiming.

    6. Re:What I don't like.... by qualico · · Score: 1

      Ya I guess, its just that when you want to start pumping hard drives, its going to cause an early life on the power supply or worse, crash the drives.

    7. Re:What I don't like.... by qualico · · Score: 1

      Didn't think to Froogle...I Googled and eBayed though.

      $250 is a bit much for something that looks like it came from a toy store.

      Now if you bundle that package into this
      http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_reviews_inf o.php/ products_id/92/reviews_id/23
      I'm buying!

      HTPC cases rock.

    8. Re:What I don't like.... by Skalizar · · Score: 1

      Anyone have prices of this yet?

      Newegg has it listed in the low 200s ($218?), however, once I saw it was only a 220w PS I didn't read any further.

    9. Re:What I don't like.... by qualico · · Score: 1

      Yes, one of the most important aspects of your computer is the Power Supply.
      (Yes I know you need a CPU and etc also)

      But in reference to quality and proper size, the power supply should at least be 50% of what you need, IMHO. That way you have room for any expansion over the life of this component.

      Nowadays, I lust over the 600w dual fan stuff but end up getting the 420W on price.
      Usually at the cost of reduced hard drive life.
      (They always seem to be the thing most affected by inadequate PSUs.)

    10. Re:What I don't like.... by IllogicalStudent · · Score: 1

      Its not in the Canadian channels yet.

      Yes it is.

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    11. Re:What I don't like.... by qualico · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the links, thought someone must have them somewhere. Asus is usually slow to get into Canada.

      INTERESTING though, I did not see the P111s, with the fancy front display panel, on those links.

      Presumably, that is what the high tech geek will desire.

    12. Re:What I don't like.... by FinalCut · · Score: 1

      I believe the image url you meant is this:
      http://www.pcalchemy.com/images/silverstone/lc06/l c06-black.jpg

      the url you provided is a dead link.

    13. Re:What I don't like.... by qualico · · Score: 1

      dohhh...
      damit /. can you please fix that bug!

      I like to use text mode, (being a vi guy), and I forget that long links get a space inserted on the wrap here.
      In fact, while your at it, how about a bigger comment window?
      I mean really, why torture us with the small box?

      Thanks for the updated link FinalCut.

  12. It looks like... by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Am I the only one that thinks it looks like a microwave? Though, with a name like that, it should be an expresso maker.

    On the other hand, is it digitally signed? If not, how can I trust it?

    1. Re:It looks like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh dear god... it's ESPRESSO no freakin' x. You don't pronounce an x or anything like that. As the proud owner of a $880 espresso machine, I'm offended.

    2. Re:It looks like... by siliconjunkie · · Score: 1

      Oh dear god... it's ESPRESSO no freakin' x

      Maybe he thought it made pens.

    3. Re:It looks like... by catwh0re · · Score: 1
      Digitally Signed Coffee, because you can't trust that it's coffee unless someone signs it off to you to say it's coffee.

      I wonder if the handle is digitally signed to say that it can carry the unit.

    4. Re:It looks like... by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Digitally Signed Coffee

      Is this the coffee maker that forms a windows logo in the froth and goes tada when done?

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  13. hmmm.... by Anubis350 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    is this really front page news? I mean, sure its "news for nerd" and kinda cool but it's not the most innovative thing ever, nor does it have some significant importance. So why is this front page news? is this just a slow news day or something? Just wondering....

    it is a rather neat system which I wouldnt mind having in my living room, though comparing it to a g5 tower or such is like comparing a tricked out hyundai with a jaguar....

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    1. Re:hmmm.... by qualico · · Score: 1

      Anyone dealing in computers has seen this already, so its definitly not news.

      I think the significance is to show the next rush of computer design to integrate with home electronics. Specifically the media center.

      It really won't fit well with home electronics however. You need a stackable design.

    2. Re:hmmm.... by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      You need a stackable design.

      too true, which is something the handle on this unit defeats

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    3. Re:hmmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aye, haven't MSI been making a very similar (and stackable) integrated box for a couple of years now?

    4. Re:hmmm.... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      So why is this front page news? is this just a slow news day or something? Just wondering....

      Because ASUS paid OSDN to Slashvertise it's newest little gadget? Most of these little reviews are paid advertisements. Otherwise this would have been relegated to Tom's Hardware or some other hardware review site rather than Slashdot. Somebody got paid, article gets listed on the front page. No big deal. They gotta pay their bills somehow and it sure isn't through banner ads anymore.

  14. My DVD player does this now without a HDD by aardwolf204 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one that thinks the form factor should look more like a component cd player, or receiver. This doesnt mesh with my current stack o hardware in my living room.

    Come to think of it, my DVD player plays DVDs, MP3, and CDs and has no hard drive. Throw in a network card and we're really cooking.

    And I'm not so sure this thing would give apple a run for its money in the aesthetics department. The U2 ipod looks more pleasing.

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    1. Re:My DVD player does this now without a HDD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There are DVD players with network cards now.

      http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880n.html

    2. Re:My DVD player does this now without a HDD by dj245 · · Score: 1

      I thought that way back when, when the Reg reviewed The Hush Silent ATX Box that it would be a good fit on top of a lot of people's stereo "stack" on top of the reciever and amps and what-have-you. Too bad the darn thing is pretty expensive. But I guess if your stack is that stacked (I am noticably missing my audiophile card here) then money really shouldn't be a problem for a computer case that fits the stack and matches, and is silent to boot.

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    3. Re:My DVD player does this now without a HDD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      i have the Kiss 1500, and it fulfils all of your requirements, it even has wireless capability. plays most DIVX, XVID etc, and is sufficiently easy to use that even my mentally sub-normal girlfriend is happy with it. does have blue LEDs though...

      http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=dvd&v=users

    4. Re:My DVD player does this now without a HDD by Blastrogath · · Score: 1

      > Come to think of it, my DVD player plays DVDs, MP3, and CDs and has no hard drive. Throw in a network card and we're really cooking.

      You may be on to something there. Make a front end unit for the living room that's basicly a DVD player that also lets you use the desktop off of your main computer.

      If you build in an X client or something it'll give you access to the media on your computer. It'd probably be a little high latency to play games off of, but it'd work fine for video or websurfing. Pack in a CD with the server software in the box.

      If you want it to play games, include a KVM switch in the unit, and a few USB ports that also lead back to the PC for joysticks etc. Anyone know the max run lenth for keyboards, mice or monitor cabling? Is it practical to put in repeaters or amplifiers?

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    5. Re:My DVD player does this now without a HDD by Baki · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are several DVD players with network (fixed or wireless) and with (optional) harddrive that can do this, plus also play Divx and Xvid, for example some of these. The later generations support more and more options, e.g. GMC and qpel.

    6. Re:My DVD player does this now without a HDD by brentl · · Score: 1

      I agree, I don't like cube cases at all, and especially not for a home entertainment setup. Stand alone devices look great and work well, but there aren't any that do everything in one box (DVD, hard disk, DTV card) and they don't give you full control over how you use it.

      I'm using an Antec Overture for my HTPC. It's takes a full size motherboard and PCI cards, but still looks really good. It matches perfectly with my reciever (it's black and silver too).

      As for a workstation, I think the small, thin PCs look the best (like this,) but they're usually brand name and have poor expandability and upgradability.

    7. Re:My DVD player does this now without a HDD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to think of it, my DVD player plays DVDs, MP3, and CDs and has no hard drive.

      But can it book Knoppix?
    8. Re:My DVD player does this now without a HDD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      boot, of course, not book

    9. Re:My DVD player does this now without a HDD by Spectre · · Score: 1
      Am I the only one that thinks the form factor should look more like a component cd player, or receiver. This doesnt mesh with my current stack o hardware in my living room.

      While you are at it, could you pass this along to Sony as my PS/2 seems to indicate they don't understand this point either.

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  15. Similar (better?) one by MSI by lithium100 · · Score: 5, Informative

    MSI make something similar and have a few different models. MSI's look better I think but functionally they're very similar.

    Here's the link

    1. Re:Similar (better?) one by MSI by areve · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I found this the other day. This looks very pretty klosspc. I'd love to see any reviews on this one!

    2. Re:Similar (better?) one by MSI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can polish a turd all day long and at the end of the day you'll have a shiny turd.

  16. This on the Frontpage...? by loyukfai · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do they call it? Slashadvertisement? Slashvertisement? Slashdotadvertsiisfjlasjflasjflas...

    I remember several notebooks have such functions long before (Maybe not DVD playing...)... It's a nice product but does it deserve a frontpage slot?

    1. Re:This on the Frontpage...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a nice product but does it deserve a frontpage slot?

      Slow news period. the last article before this was over two hours old, the previous 3 hours before that. If you've got something better submit it!

    2. Re:This on the Frontpage...? by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 1
      How do they call it? Slashadvertisement? Slashvertisement? Slashdotadvertsiisfjlasjflasjflas...

      I prefer "Slashaganda."

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    3. Re:This on the Frontpage...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind the Slashvertisement for this product because it's got some particularly novel features. I have not seen a touch-led panel designed for computer based media processing, and it's pretty slick. Slashvertisements for the same thing that's been around for years are what suck.

      What would I do with something like this? Remove case. Mount in car dash.

  17. Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    "going to outdo Apple in 'the way it looks matters' department."

    No way does this look better than a Apple computer. Open your eyes!

    1. Re:Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No doubt however that if this product were from Apple then a select group of people would be singing its praises and declaring it the best industrial engineering in the history of computing.

      That same group would pay a premium to get it so they could brag to their friends about owning into the mystique of Apple while drinking their Starbucks coffee and listening to their top-of-the-line Bose speakers.

    2. Re:Come on by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the dual G5 in person? The grey case with about a billion little holes? This ASUS thing looks way better than that.

  18. What the...? by aero2600-5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only person that hears 'barebones combo' and pictures a full/mid-tower with motherboard and power supply? (Looks something like this )

    Aero

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    1. Re:What the...? by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's exactly what I think about first. :P

  19. the look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    doesnt look quite right

  20. You mean by JavaRob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...a *car battery* had sex with a clock radio. That's the lineage I see. Some clunking noises, a blare of static-filled AM talk radio, a drip of battery acid... and a few QA iterations later the creature was born.

    The ivory one must look nicer though, right? I only saw a thumbnail of it before I closed the window.

  21. Colour Scheme from the 80's by bedok77 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The colour of the lights remind me of 80's electronics.. or Kitt.

    1. Re:Colour Scheme from the 80's by mOoZik · · Score: 1

      It is the first move away from silver stuff. Design always moves in cycles. Look at 20s ads and see how much they resemble flash print ads from now. And don't get me started on the minimalist movement. It's all rehash, and this just paves the way back to silly, flashy, colory 80s industrial design. Bleh!

  22. WOOPSEEDAYSEES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    AD - Google, search for all your cosmetic computer needs . . .

    !

  23. It looks more like a.. by msimm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clock-radio. Its not even in the Apple ballpark (and I'm a PC user!).

    Whats the deal with PC manufacturers anyway? Its like the technology equivalent of the comb-over. Is it really that hard to design smart, elegant hardware? Beige boxes are great for business, but hasn't Apple already proven theres a market for aesthetics?

    Did I already mention that its ugly as hell?

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    1. Re:It looks more like a.. by jeif1k · · Score: 1

      Is it really that hard to design smart, elegant hardware?

      No, it isn't. Sony, Hush, Hoojum, Alienware, and Shuttle all have great looking machines.

      Beige boxes are great for business, but hasn't Apple already proven theres a market for aesthetics?

      Yes, and the market for stylish PCs is being supplied. It's just that with PCs, you get a choice: more expensive stylish PCs and cheaper beige boxes.

    2. Re:It looks more like a.. by msimm · · Score: 1

      I still (respectfully) disagree. The manufacturers you've mentioned do make slightly more stylish boxen, but they make boxes for the techno-fetishist.

      I personally use aluminum Cool Master "Wave Master". It looks nice, but it looks like it belongs in a German nightclub. I could serve drinks on it.

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    3. Re:It looks more like a.. by multiplexo · · Score: 1
      OMFG that is sexy. And now they have one that's bright yellow. I'm going to have to save my pennies for that one. It should come with a couple of Kraftwerk and Gary Numan CDs and a black turtleneck.

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    4. Re:It looks more like a.. by Fgarb · · Score: 1

      I'm a big fan of buying beige Boxes and cans of spray paint, myself. Considering how easy it is to do, I'm suprised each time my friends show me their new computers, and they're still beige.

    5. Re:It looks more like a.. by jeif1k · · Score: 1

      I still (respectfully) disagree. The manufacturers you've mentioned do make slightly more stylish boxen, but they make boxes for the techno-fetishist.

      That's pretty much what Apple does, isn't it?

      And, frankly, I find that several of those manufacturers make boxes that look considerably nicer than Apple's machines. Once you get into expensive boxes, it all becomes a matter of taste, and I don't see Apple's designs as any more timeless than any of the others.

  24. Gimick by pikakilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It sounds like a gimick to me. The case is nice, but paying 240 for the case plus paying for the cpu + memory + hdd + graphics + decent soundcard isnt worth it. Unless you have decent parts lying around, it is better to hook up your computer (or a slower, silent comp with a good soundcard) to your sound system and put a remote on it.

  25. integrated handle by beaverfever · · Score: 1

    Haven't industrial designers figured this out yet? Integrated handles stink (especially ones styled like this one). The thing doesn't seem to be intended as a portable device - why make a handle such a prominent part of the design?

    With the bulge on the top of the case this unit will need additional shelf height, and prohibits stacking with other electronics.

    this design: piss poor.

  26. I forget, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. are we not boycotting ASUS at the moment for their anti open source behaviour?

    http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Sto ry-01.html

    I know I am.

  27. I like ASUS by klui · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have an A7V classic that's been upgraded to a 2.2GHz Athlon XP-M. Quite reliable and far from obsolete.

    But frankly, the S-presso has a long way to go if you think they're going to outdo Apple in "the way it looks matters department." It's too bad the G4 Cube never took off. That is what I would consider a living room toy. Minimalist and elegant. In contrast, the S-presso from the pictures looks like it is encased in cheap plastic made for a 5-year-old. Its shape doesn't look like it will complement components in a home-entertainment rack. If I had one of these puppies, it would probably be sitting behind a chair.

    1. Re:I like ASUS by Queer+Boy · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's too bad the G4 Cube never took off. That is what I would consider a living room toy.

      Mine's in my living room connected to my Wega. They didn't take off because they were priced VERY close to a G4 tower at launch. People don't forgive Apple when they make a mistake, even if they correct it (lowered the price A LOT). I didn't care, the thing is modern art and I figured I had a chance at owning the next Colour Classic (I was right). I used it for 3 years until something better finally came out: the G5.

      I myself cannot understand why a case manufacturer could not hire some design majors and clean up in the PC case market. It's not THAT hard to make an aesthetically pleasing computer case, Apple's been doing it for over 20 years, sgi for near that.

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    2. Re:I like ASUS by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

      I have an A7V classic that's been upgraded to a 2.2GHz Athlon XP-M
      how'd you manage that? I had an A7V (the original one, i assume that what you mean by classic); it only supported 100MHz fsb processors and a 12.5 multiplier. how'd you get it to work with a 2.2GHz?

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    3. Re:I like ASUS by klui · · Score: 1
      Athlon XP-M Bartons are multiplier unlocked so that saves you the first hurdle. XP-Ms also run cooler than a non-mobile variety. In order to get the A7V classic (mine's revision 1.02) to work with higher multipliers you need to use the "wire trick." Use the new multiplier DIP settings from this thread.

      I got the CPU from newegg.com. I'm currently using an old Alpha heatsink. Using a more up-to-date variety will allow me to run it at 2.3/2.4GHz. Upgrade your BIOS to the latest beta--the BIOS doesn't detect the correct speed unless you set your FSB to non-100MHz. Benchmarking utilities will detect the correct speed.

  28. One ugly motherf***** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One ugly motherf*****! Piece of crap! These consumer targeted Taiwan (Asus, Gigabyte, etc.) brands are piece of shit!

    If you want a real PC with reliable hardware, get Intel mobo with P4.

  29. been there by pbjones · · Score: 1

    doing that with a Coolmaster case, DVD drive, old ATI9000 video card and I boot with a Geexbox CD, Plays most media into my stereo and old LCD MM projector.

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  30. It's crappy products like this ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that prove Apple stands alone in the market place when it comes to style and innovation. The "S-presso" Looks like an old 1970s AM Radio from Radio Shack and has a name similar to a coffee machine made by Ronco. UGH !

  31. Hard Drives power consumption? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Which brings me to question, is there anywhere one can actually look up the rated/average/expected power consumption of various PC components?

    I've an EPIA that runs at under 40W, under 30W I believe (total including the drive)... the board/CPU itself is extremely low power consumption. With the teeny DC PSU's I've attached though, I wonder if I'm destroying my drive by underpowering or if it's still got enough to get by ok.

    1. Re:Hard Drives power consumption? by qualico · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well from what I have read about the life expectancy of electronics in general, has a lot to do with how much you turn the unit on/off, the environment, humidity, temp, air circ. etc.

      The expansion and contraction of solder joints due to temp flux causes micro cracks that expand over time and eventually cause the malfunction.

      So that really is a hard question to answer.

      EPIA for those who may not know:
      http://www3.sympatico.ca/howlettfamily/epia /epia_h owto/index.html#Introduction

      Here is a good forum for those teeny DC PSUs:
      http://www.eio.com/public/psupply/

      Good definition of MTBF:
      http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/qual/sp ec_MTBF .htm
      And the turn on/off debate:
      http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/qual/ spec_MTBF .htm

      I like Tom's look at PSUs:
      http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20030609/

      Here is the kicker though:
      "An overwhelmed power supply may not be able to keep adequate current flowing to your PC's components, and that can mean error messages, strange behavior, or even system shutdowns. But instead of those obvious signs of trouble, an overworked power supply may just pump extra heat into your PC, speeding up the system's aging process and pushing your PC's components to an early demise. If you suspect your power supply may be about to give up the ghost, replace it. PC Power and Cooling is a good source for quality power supplies."
      Source:
      http://www.pcworld.com/resour ce/zoom.asp

      Regardless, things will vary depending on your specifics. Call the manufacturer to verify specs and do some line testing with a handy dandy multi-meter.

    2. Re:Hard Drives power consumption? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      Check the manufacturer's web site. Hard drive manufacturers are usually pretty good about listing these things, but as a rule of thumb, a 3.5" hard drive will draw 20 watts starting up, 10-15 during access, 5-10 while idleing, and 1-2 when spun down.

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    3. Re:Hard Drives power consumption? by slamb · · Score: 1
      Which brings me to question, is there anywhere one can actually look up the rated/average/expected power consumption of various PC components?

      Yup. AMD has a good guide to power consumption here. It has, among other things, a formula for computing the power usage of the processor, taking into account the expected inefficiency of the voltage regulator. Combined with spec sheets available from the manufacturers of various parts, it can tell you if a power supply will work.

      I did all the math for a server I was thinking of building, and I was quite surprised by the outcome. Despite the fact that my server should only use about 140 W of total power, some of the 300 W supplies were inadequate. They didn't supply enough on the 12 V line. It looks like the maximum current draw on the 12 V line is a better indicator of the quality of a power supply than its total maximum power.

      I recommend the PSUs from PC Power & Cooling. The Silencer units really are near-silent, and you can pump a lot of amps through the 12 V lead on all of their supplies. (An improvement they made since I bought mine, unfortunately.)

  32. Mouth with no taste have a voice by NeedleSurfer · · Score: 1

    No seriously though everytime a PC maker does a box that doesn't look like a beige/black tower with a slab of colored plastic on the front people go "OMG it's better than Apple". It's not, Alienware and Shuttle makes better looking hardware than this Azus thing, it's not that it's not of any interest but apart from a good candidate for Win Media Center this thing isn't the Peru.

  33. Outdoing Apple..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the kitchen.
    Bad 80's stereo meets a fan forced oven.

    This is just sad.

  34. the ASUS S-presso operates at a quiet 29db level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quiet?! i sure hope that's a typo.

  35. Wowz0rzopt3r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy shit, a computer that can play music, damn that's so l33t omg0dz0r I have never seen a computer that could play music before!!!

  36. Pentium 4 only by steveha · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I'm going to have something like this in my living room, I want it to be quiet. That means I want it to be cool. But this thing has a Pentium 4 motherboard.

    I'd really rather have a 90nm Athlon64, with "Cool n Quiet". And whatever 3D chipset has the best performance/heat ratio. (Probably an ATI chipset... too bad the drivers suck in Linux. Are there any nVidia chipsets that can run Doom 3 but don't also heat your room?)

    A PowerPC chip would also be good. Hey, Apple -- you ought to make a living-room Mac.

    steveha

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    1. Re:Pentium 4 only by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Antec Sonata case
      Opteron 144 w/ Asus SK8V motherboard
      Power Supply controls a 120mm fan up front
      Auto-adjusting 120mm fan on the exhaust
      Stock AMD cooler
      FDB drives

      As for the video card, maybe an GeForce FX 5900 XT (or if you can find one that is fanless in the ATI or NVIDIA series).

      http://www.pcvsconsole.com/features/video/

      Gives technical specs for almost every card on the market. At least it gives you an idea whether fanless video card X is fair/poor.

      The Sonata cases do a nice job of quieting things down and my Opteron 144 typically runs at 45C under heavy load (25-30C ambient). The 120mm case fans probably help the most.

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  37. If you think that looks good... by mrklin · · Score: 1
    As Jeff Foxworthy the country comedian might say, you might be a redneck if you think the Asus S-presso Deluxe (S1-P111) looks better than Apple's industrial design!

    You don't happen to have one of these do you?

    1. Re:If you think that looks good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh, i own that boombox

    2. Re:If you think that looks good... by green+pizza · · Score: 1

      You don't happen to have one of these do you?

      Whoa! Is that from the new MechWarrior game?

  38. Acutally, it runs Linux! by farrellj · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to an article here:

    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19922

    It's instant-on software is an embed version of Linux! Supercool! I want one!

    And street pricing seems to be about $250 for it...so it's cheap! Now that's just a bare-bones system, but still, you could have a nice PVR for under $600 USD!

    Sweet!

    ttyl
    Farrell

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    1. Re:Acutally, it runs Linux! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Ahh, so that why /. is advertising, opps err, reporting on it.

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    2. Re:Acutally, it runs Linux! by loyukfai · · Score: 1

      Another question, how does its interface stacks up? You know, these days, companies put out all kinds of weird interfaces to discourage users to actually use their products.

      I have not personally spend more than 20 minutes on a Mac, but last time I heard, Apple's interface design is a strong point separating itself from would-be mimickers.

      BTW, the barebone doesn't seem to have an optical drive, so you will need to add $30 to make it functional.

    3. Re:Acutally, it runs Linux! by mennucc1 · · Score: 1

      if the software used for on is based on Linux, there should be somewhere in ASUS website a place to download the source code. Where is it? I don't see it anywhere: this means the ASUS is violating the GPL license (or it is not using Linux).

    4. Re:Acutally, it runs Linux! by damiam · · Score: 1

      No. ASUS only has to make the code available to those to whom it distributes the binary. It has no obligation to post it for general consumption (although anyone who gets it could do so themselves).

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    5. Re:Acutally, it runs Linux! by egghat · · Score: 1

      to be even more precise:

      Asus only has to distribute the sources, if they *change* anything.

      If they use an unmodified kernel and put some proprietary software on top, there is no need to distribute any sources.

      Bye egghat.

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    6. Re:Acutally, it runs Linux! by damiam · · Score: 1
      If they use an unmodified kernel and put some proprietary software on top, there is no need to distribute any sources.

      IANAL, but that may not be right. The GPL:

      3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

      a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

      b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

      c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)

      As I read that, a commercial distributor must offer to provide source to the binaries they're distributing, even if they're unmodified. Just passing on someone else's offer of source code is only acceptable if the distributor is noncommercial.

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    7. Re:Acutally, it runs Linux! by egghat · · Score: 1

      Mea culpa. I guess your version is correct.

      Nevertheless we are more interested in people using, changing and enhancing GPL'ed code.

      Bye egghat.

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  39. balance by tsioc · · Score: 1

    will it sit on top of my xbox? I hope the weight of the two wont break my entertainment center.

  40. Ponder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What I want in a "home entertainment" PC: a software package that lets me rip my DVDs, full size, to the hard drive; then, later on, scroll through my DVD list to pick the one I want to watch that night. When you have a few dozen DVDs (let's see... B5... MASH... Red Dwarf... couple of dozen movies... Angel... god, easily 80 plus discs), it's easier to scroll through a list on screen than to flick through the shelf of DVDs.

    Anybody know of such a package? It must be capable of being controlled with just a remote control, with the typical DVD remote's buttons -- not a keyboard. Willing to build it up from components if need be. HDD space would probably be a RAID 0 job, or multiple partitions -- easy enough to re-rip a DVD if a HD fails, so no need for RAID 5.

    1. Re:Ponder. by DiscoOnTheSide · · Score: 1

      I dont know if this has the capacity you would want, but a modded X-Box with the DVD remote and a 400GB HD could do this... plus it can read off of network shares and etc.

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  41. Wrong CPU, too by panurge · · Score: 2, Funny

    This thing needs either a P-M or an AMD64 DTR. It does not need socket 478. Why equip it with the most unsuitable processor for its intended application - a mistake, of course, that Apple would never make.

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  42. S1-P111 by telstar · · Score: 4, Funny

    S1-P111. It needs a few more 1's before I'd consider it buyable.
    Seriously ... Who the fuck comes up with model numbers? Did these retards pay somebody to come up with S1-P111?

    1. Re:S1-P111 by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. S1-P111. It needs a few more 1's before I'd consider it buyable.

      How about the "01101100 01100101 01100101 01110100" or "00110001 00110011 00110011 00110111"?

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  43. What's with all these coffee references? by IllogicalStudent · · Score: 1

    Anyone else think the case's name, SPresso, is a dig at the old Cappucino PC??

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    1. Re:What's with all these coffee references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not so much a dig, as much as it is, oh, the fact that cappucino MADE this thing for ASUS? http://www.cappuccinopc.com/cubepc-spresso.asp/

    2. Re:What's with all these coffee references? by IllogicalStudent · · Score: 1

      Nice Find. Fixed Link. CappuccinoPC did indeed make this thing.

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  44. This is old stuff by Bioanarchism · · Score: 1

    why does it always take so long for good stuff to reach the United States? Is there a digital divide between the East and West? Or is the West just too slow to realise they are that slow?

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    1. Re:This is old stuff by dr.badass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why does it always take so long for good stuff to reach the United States?

      In the asian market, companies are much more willing to put out products that won't be huge sellers. If they estimate the demand for Widget X to be (say) 1,000 units, they'll make it, where in the US, things don't get made until the demand is (say) 10,000 units. I'll leave it to more informed to explain why this is the case.

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    2. Re:This is old stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'll leave it to more informed to explain why this is the case.

      Hmm... dunno... 10x the population maybe? 100x the area? Unwillingness of stores to give shelf space to such a limited item? What are they gonna do, send only 1 to every other store?

  45. MS are gonna love this by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

    Because, as they keep telling us, "naked PCs" encourage piracy, terrorism, spread avian flu and deprive Bill Gates of another heated driveway for his Porsche 959.

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  46. 3.4 GHz? by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

    Why the hell did they put a 3.4 ghz proc in something thats designed to run with no hdd/os? whats it going to do besides generate heat? I mean, sure you could install a hdd and os then do more with it; but why bother with such a powerful proc by default in a pc designed to run without those things?

    seems like it would make more sense to throw in the cheapest/lowest wattage processor they could get their hands on, i doubt any proc still in production couldnt handle dvd decoding etc.

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  47. It's good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but is it art?

  48. Better PC Options... by Future+Shock · · Score: 1

    what a dog:
    1) no TV out according to the specs
    2) Intel P4
    3) Only one 3.5" drive bay
    4) Intel Extreme graphics

    My living room system, an Antec Aria case, Athlon64 3000+, and ATi AIW 9800Pro graphic card has more computing power, better PVR capabilities, and looks way, WAY better. And the Athlon/Aria combo is so quiet (thanks to a Zalman 7000 hsf) that I never have to turn it off - forget "instant on". And, oh yeah, I have 3 x 3.5" bays to add enough hard drives to actually STORE some MP3s, pics, and videos, unlike this poseur of a system...and who wants a touch panel - I want the RF remote of the ATi AIW so I don't even leave my couch...

  49. You're asking that way by empaler · · Score: 1

    ... because we get everything thousands of times faster here in Europe?

    1. Re:You're asking that way by Bioanarchism · · Score: 1

      most probably. its either europe or asia, never the states. unless you are talking about stuff from silicon valley companies. but then again, they are still manufactured in taiwan or china or thailand. so eventually. and in europe they got lots of great people and great stuff. but i suppose the states are rather contented with finishing college and parking their butts at home watching television with plain ol' tivo.

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    2. Re:You're asking that way by sniggly · · Score: 1

      It's probably because of geography and market, I bet the selection of cool gadgets is excellent in a city like SanFran where the audience is large and distribution easy. Products must prove themselves really well before they hit the walmart shelves in Kansas. Europe's a lot smaller so its easier for importers to distribute and for competitors to set up shop in areas that are accessible to most consumers. There's no walmart in eur so there's a lot of competition which creates diversity and lowers prices.

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    3. Re:You're asking that way by jfx32 · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are Walmarts in Europe, there is one right outside of Frankfurt.

    4. Re:You're asking that way by JacobO · · Score: 1

      A lot smaller? I mean, it's smaller than the USA, but it's not exactly small.

      Also, Walmart (or others like it) are everywhere.

      However, your point about the market still stands.

    5. Re:You're asking that way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I bet the selection of cool gadgets is excellent in a city like SanFran where the audience is large and distribution easy
      The fact that they're mostly queers is just a coincidence.
  50. This is why I don't get Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Hi! I'm a musician and interested in G5 PowerMac, but won't get it. Check out the number at the bottom. This is why I won't get Apple for my recording studio.

    Summary

    Dual 2.5GHz PowerPC G5
    1GB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 2x512MB
    250GB Serial ATA
    DVD-R/CD-RW
    NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT DDL 256MB, 2xDVI
    Apple Cinema Display (20" flat panel)
    Apple Cinema Display (20" LCD)+Belkin ADC to DVI Adapter
    Apple Keyboard & Mouse
    Mac OS X
    One FireWire 800 port
    Two FireWire 400 ports
    Three USB 2.0 ports
    Price: Eur 5.907,58
    VAT: Eur 1.299,67
    Subtotal: Eur 7.207,25

    Holy cow! Let that amount speak fot itself! That's something like 8000$!!

    1. Re:This is why I don't get Apple by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      Subtotal: Eur 7.207,25

      Holy cow! Let that amount speak fot itself! That's something like 8000$!!

      At today's exchange rate, it is $9513.57.

      Yes, the dollar is that weak.

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    2. Re:This is why I don't get Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well, first off, don't buy extra RAM from Apple That alone will save you a couple hundred bucks. Second, if you're doing music, skip the $600 video card. The less expensive video cards support dual monitors as well. Third, the Apple 20" LCDs are $1300 each, inflating your price by $2600...skip those and go with a third party equivalent and save another couple hundred bucks. And fourth, your crazy European VAT isn't Apple's fault, but wow, that sucks.

      Those changes alone bring the price down to ~$4500 US (pre-tax). Still not cheap, but more realistic.

    3. Re:This is why I don't get Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, dumbass. Try maybe dropping the 2000$ display, and move the hell out of europe. The taxes alone could build you a fast pc!!

    4. Re:This is why I don't get Apple by MaynardJanKeymeulen · · Score: 1

      Well, if you insist on buying 2 cinerama displays,
      at $1299 a piece. Fot the same price you can buy
      10 17" lcd's...

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    5. Re:This is why I don't get Apple by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      What does being a musician have anything to do with dual Cinema displays or dual 2.5GHz CPUs?

      Does two 20" LCDs make music sound better?
      Does two CPUs make composition easier?

      What's wrong with a single CPU single LCD iMac?

      It's like saying, "I'm a product manager and interested in a Ferrari Mondale, but won't get it. "

      Duh. Then don't get the most expensive car/computer. Get something sensible!

  51. Here's a Linux based mediabox! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is the answer.. Linux based MythTV is the leader of the pack! Check out the features!

  52. The handle sux. by killjoe · · Score: 1

    How are you supposed to put anything on top of this thing?

    Anybody know how much? I bet it's pricey.

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  53. You probably mean by empaler · · Score: 1

    The Okama GameSphere, sillyhat!

  54. Re:The windchill factor is still a psycholog myste by TapeCutter · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You idiot, moving air is a better heat conductor than still air (achives thermal equilibrium quicker). Thus the "wind chills" you and you can "factor" how much faster you will freeze because of increased wind speed. Stop contemplating your navel and open a physics book.

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  55. msi by Wakkow · · Score: 1

    I personally think MSI's product line looks better.

  56. Embedded = A step behind by filipvh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I think this is a great idea, I always find these "innovations" are a couple of years behind as soon as they're launched.

    Two years ago I would have loved one of these. Today, I expect my HTPC to play DivX/XVid, and stream from a network server as well. DVDs? That's old school!

    And embedded also means it probably can't be upgraded all that easily to add these features; it'll mean buying version 2 in a year's time, by which time my requiremens will have moved on...

    That said, while I don't consider myself an early adopter, I suppose I am by most (ie non Slashdot readers) standards.

  57. I'd rather build my own by DrunkenPenguin · · Score: 1

    If you really want to get a PC for your livingroom, consider building your own and fitting it to PC cases like these.

    Then install Linux and MythTV software. MythTV really rocks! It can act as a DVD jukebox (you can rip your DVDs and store them on the HD), music jukebox, video recorder etc. and it has some really nice features like automatic commercial skipping. Definitely worth checking!

  58. Slashdot... by bondgrrl · · Score: 1

    ...aesthetics for nerds. Stuff that looks damn ugly.

    I'm no Mac zealot but how anyone can claim this compares to the Apple Aesthetic is beyond me.

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  59. This machine and Starbucks... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I want a grande chocolate mocha to go with my S-presso game machine. :P

  60. Looks better than Apple? by 10Ghz · · Score: 1

    It looks like a cheap stereo-set! All those flashing lights! I like Apple because they look clean and uncluttered. If I wanted something similar in x86-world, I would look here.

    really: form follows function. Say no to flashing lights!

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    1. Re:Looks better than Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone please mod parent informative. Those hush cases look sweet and not at all like a car radio,unlike the s-presso.

  61. Ghey... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    ... And I like Asus stuff typically, but...

    * LED, not VFD?
    * Where's teh Athlon64?
    * Must be easy to stack components on top of that lame handle.
    * Where's the dual PCIe? Maybe I have a 720p monitor I want to smoke Doom3 on?

    And teh verdict? Geh-haay....

  62. "LIP" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last In, Period.

  63. Yeah, no Divx --WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, so what it plays DVDs and MP3s? I've got a dozen of these things around the house and what I don't have is something device-like playing Divx.

  64. Re:The windchill factor is still a psycholog myste by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

    Or Google for "Nusselt number".

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  65. Wow! A plastic toolbox with LEDs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on - that is not style!

  66. But does it run linux?? Re:msi by AhaIndia · · Score: 1


    one of the special feature listed on the site: Supports Windows® XP only



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  67. I might buy one by aztektum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    just to rip that touch panel out Unless someone knows where I can get a similar screen for less than the case?

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    1. Re:I might buy one by mpoulton · · Score: 1

      If you want the touch panel, you'll have to take the mobo with it -- the panel is integrated hardware that requires the embedded linux functionality to work properly. Of course, a real h4x0r would reverse engineer the interface and whip up some drivers, but I doubt it's worth the effort.

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  68. Yawn... by jonr · · Score: 1

    I think I'll stick with Shuttle designs...

  69. Eek by nosleep_tolkachi · · Score: 1

    Did Aiwa buy Shuttle?

  70. Another Negative Point... by md81544 · · Score: 1

    ... not only is it, as pointed out by just about everyone, ugly as sin, it's also made by ASUS. I swore never to buy another Asus product again after I discovered how diabolically bad their support is for their products (I basically could not elicit *one* *single* *response* from them over a clear bug on one of their motherboards). Even if this WAS pretty, I wouldn't buy it.

    1. Re:Another Negative Point... by BShive · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I've always loved Asus motherboards and never bought anything else for my systems. I had one go flaky on me (power supply blew in the system) and had no trouble at all getting it repaired under warrenty.

      Granted, I wouldn't buy this thing. Too bad that fugly handle isn't recessed as it should be.

  71. "pumping hard drives"? by RMH101 · · Score: 1

    bollocks. you're talking crap: also, you can only fit 2 hard disks in a shuttle. the 250W PSU is 250 REAL watts, rather than the 350W generic PSUs that put out nothing like their rated power.

    1. Re:"pumping hard drives"? by qualico · · Score: 1

      ahhh ya,

      so is it all crap I'm talking or just some parts?
      The links are crap?

      What "shuttle"?
      I can use half-height hard drives to double that to 4.

      So you have personally tested the 250W?
      Ummmm...isn't it 220W?

      So 350W is NOTHING like their rated power?
      So can we say, 40W?
      Doesn't that statement bolster my opinion that you need more power?

      By this time, I'm guessing your a troll, right?

    2. Re:"pumping hard drives"? by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      fuck off.
      i've personally built about 25 shuttle systems, of various specs and models. you name it, i've put it in a shuttle, tested it to death and sold it to someone - and you'll be *fine* with multiple hard disks and a decent graphics card.
      oh, and it's 250W on the G2 models, fitted by shuttle with the second generation silent PSUs.
      now who doesn't know what he's talking about?

    3. Re:"pumping hard drives"? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Sounds like somebody could use a big ol' hug. C'mere, big guy.

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    4. Re:"pumping hard drives"? by qualico · · Score: 1

      lol!

      Ya! Merry f'in Xmas...I mean, Merry Christmas!

      Seriously though, no pissing match please.
      I admit, ignorance is my greatest asset.

      In fact, I didn't even know about shuttle systems until you mentioned them.
      Here is a link: http://us.shuttle.com/

  72. haha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple...that? You got to be kidding me. Honda Cyans look more elegant than that thing.

  73. Kitchen appliance by barrkel · · Score: 0

    It looks like some kind of "stylish" breadmaker or something. Or maybe some kind of portable microwave.

    Or a prop for a near-future film designed to contain some radioactive fuel or other stuff which needs an active container.

  74. Euurgh ! by TractorBarry · · Score: 1

    Now that is one UGLY box. It looks just like the crappy "all-in-one" pseudo hi-fi sets they sell in the big retail stores in the UK. Much found in teenagers bedrooms and all featuring a complete lack of style.

    But if you really want to see what a hi-fi style case should look like I'd suggest you take a look at the HTPC case range which you can see at:

    http://www.quietpc.com/uk/htpc.php

    I'm especially talking about the Accent HT-400 (in black naturally) which really does look like a piece of hi-fi equipment !

    Now that is something that could sit in my rack (they're all the right fecking dimensions to stack for starters) Having said that they're not the cheapsest of cases but they do look well made.

    If only I could scrape the pennies together that would make a damn nice start to a Myth-TV box !

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  75. Max Headroom had "blipverts" by thegameiam · · Score: 1

    So I think these should be "Slashverts"

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  76. yeah nineties by tucolino · · Score: 0

    go back to ninety one... ohhh what a nice stereo. the more colorful lights, the better. this thing is just plain ugly. no style whatsoever.

  77. ? You know the target for this thing right? by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    It is not to sit on your desk, it is to augment your home theatre and replace your DVD player / PVR / MP3 player.

    As such, I think it looks quite similar to every other hi-fi device I won - black, with a colored LED-ish LCD panel.

    A white or ivory pansy mac-like system would not be going anywhere near my home theatre.

    1. Re:? You know the target for this thing right? by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      As such, I think it looks quite similar to every other hi-fi device I won - black, with a colored LED-ish LCD panel.

      And cubical? How in Hell's name am I supposed to fit that thing in my entertainment rack? It's twice as high as my DVD player. It looks absolutely ridiculous. Then again, since it doesn't have to even be in the same room as my entertainment system I guess it doesn't matter. But then why try to make it look like a "hi-fi" device? It's so confusing. Is it a bad looking computer or an entertainment device with a non-standard form factor?

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  78. Mr. Coffee by thrill12 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Foul quote:

    HELMET: I don't see Planet Druidia. Where is it?

    SANDURZ: We don't have visual contact yet, sir, but we have it on the radar screen. Shall I punch it up for you?

    HELMET: Na, nevermind. I'll do it myself.

    SANDURZ: Very good, sir.

    HELMET: What's the matter with this thing? What's all that churning and bubbling? You call that a radar screen.

    SANDURZ: No, sir. We call it, "Mr. Coffee." Care for some?

    HELMET: Yes! I always have coffee when I watch radar. You know that.

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  79. The perfect accompaniment... by feargal · · Score: 1

    Gingerbread motherboard to dip in your (e)SPresso case!

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  80. Looks like a lunchbox! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yuck! I wouldn't touch that crap with a stick! It ain't nothing like Apple products. That piece of junk looks like lunchbox! Made in Taiwan, the land of plastic junk.

  81. this box reminds me of... by jessecurry · · Score: 1

    Tron!

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    1. Re:this box reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of a car battery!

  82. Mini-ITX - Perfect Gaming/Mame machine by Eric+S+Raymond · · Score: 1
    Has S-Video out built-in, 99$

    http://www.cappuccinopc.com/miniitx-epia-5000.as p

    From their website:

    Measuring just 170mm x 170mm, the VIA EPIA Mini-ITX mainboard is 30% smaller than the smallest Flex-ATX platforms, while maintaining Micro ATX chassis compliancy. It also provides the smallest and coolest processing environment available, including an optional fanless configuration. The VIA Apollo PLE133 North Bridge features integrated graphics with 2D/3D acceleration and DVD Motion Compensation, accompanied by onboard SoundBlaster(TM) and SoundBlaster(TM) Pro compatible audio, delivering key multimedia capabilities. Onboard 10/100 LAN, TV-Out, an additional PCI slot, and a full set of I/O features provide ample connectivity and expansion options.


    The only thing I dont like is that strange processor - VIA Eden ESP 5000 Processor
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    1. Re:Mini-ITX - Perfect Gaming/Mame machine by Wordplay · · Score: 1

      Yeah, "perfect gaming" is probably a bit of a stretch given that it has some integrated AGP 4x solution built in with no AGP port, along with the aforementioned Via processor. I'd much rather build out a Shuttle or the like.

  83. I've had ASUS machines similar to this by CFD339 · · Score: 1

    Though the case was nice, it wasn't quite as fit and finished as it looked. The plastic panels were cheap and ill fitting, and behind them were poorly concealed openings.

    Worse, their software is bad. Its written in that barely comprehensible language I've taken to calling "allYourBaseLish" and is very clunky to use. Specifically the FM Radio Tuner in the T2 case is neat in the theory, and unusable in practice.

    If this is similar, then All your asus are belong to someone else.

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  84. Crappy entertainment centre by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    You must have a crappy setup if you can't fit a taller-than-average rack into your entertainment centre. Ever heard of a Game Cube?

    My GameCube fits fine in mine, and I am sure this would fit fine filling the space beside it.

    1. Re:Crappy entertainment centre by schtum · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to Nintendo, the GameCube is 4.3 inches tall. According to Asus, this thing is 7.1 inches. That's freaking huge for an AV component, unless you're talking about a receiver, which this thing is not. So you're half right: it's like a gamecube blown up to x-box proportions.

    2. Re:Crappy entertainment centre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      My GameCube fits fine in mine, and I am sure this would fit fine filling the space beside it.

      The fact there's a space that needs filling beside your GameCube is proof that it doesn't fit fine.

    3. Re:Crappy entertainment centre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...7.1 inches. That's freaking huge...

      Your woman disagrees.

      Now I see why you're so concerned about this. Do you drive a Hummer too?

  85. I see the handle as a big problem by ReidMaynard · · Score: 1

    If it were recessed, you could say, put something on it, like a USB device, etc.

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  86. Re:The windchill factor is still a psycholog myste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're not quite correct. Windchill only matters to things that have moisture involved with them.

    For a hunk of iron sitting in the cold, its a given temperature, it doesn't care about windchill (it doesn't care about anything technically).

    So windchill is a not psychological, but its not a measurement that is meaningful for most non-living things, either.

  87. USB thumbdrives are cheaper than harddisks. by DocSnyder · · Score: 1
    For smaller installations (thin clients, dedicated firewalls), the OS doesn't need much storage and may fit onto a flash memory. Most mainboards and notebooks can boot via USB thumbdrives, which provide enough memory for a small price (256 MB for about 25 or 30 €). They don't contain any moving parts nor make any noise. As long as you don't use flash memory as swapspace or for database storage, it will go for many years without wearing the flash cells. And if it's worn, a new thumbdrive is still less expensive than the cheapest harddisk.

    A harddisk is useful if a LOT of backup/filebase/DB/media/pr0n storage is needed, but in the future it may become less essential as far as the OS itself is concerned.

    1. Re:USB thumbdrives are cheaper than harddisks. by Junta · · Score: 1

      Further thought for this mode of operation, have lots of memory and only access the flash memory to load into ramdisk. It is very common practice in embedded devices to, but somehow a lot of home users who use flash memory overlook this possiblity.

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  88. it looks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like something out of the 1970's Buck Rogers show

  89. Their ad say is tall. by lheal · · Score: 1

    "Don't waste your time!" ... or your money, and I agree. But then they go on to add:

    " Enjoy DVD, CD, MP3 music and FM radio right away without entering OS."

    In other words, ASUS thinks entering an OS is a waste of time?

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  90. Sure by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1

    Then again, since it doesn't have to even be in the same room as my entertainment system I guess it doesn't matter.

    So you have that all-new wireless component signal transmitter to get the signal to your TeeVee?

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  91. IDEQ from Biostar by JeffVolc · · Score: 1

    My favorite sff machine is the biostar IDEQ. Looks like a shutte... but way cheaper. Newegg has the AMD version for $158.

    Biostar iDEQ Barebone System for Socket A AMD CPU, Model IDEQ 210V
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.as p?desc ription=56-115-014&depa=0

    Very nice layout and sooo quite. In fact, when I was building it up I thought is was broke. The fan would spin up when starting then stop. It was so quite I thought it wasn't running.

    I put in an FX5200 dual monitor card, dvd burner, and 120G HD.

    Jeff

  92. Apple? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    This isn't competing with Apple. Granted, it looks like someone has put a lot of consideration into the appearance, but in this case, it looks designed to appeal to (a) the "black is cool, lots of nicely-coloured bright lights" boys toys market, and (b) The "ThinkGeek" market, who are more like the latter than they'd care to admit. Actually, I'm not sure it's flashy and superficial enough for (a), but at either rate, its visual "appeal" isn't the same as Apple's.

    Personally, I think it's tacky; I wish they'd hurry up and release the Nanode, and preferably in lots of different colours like the Cubit P4 (why on earth did they reduce the colour range for the Cubit? I *want* the choice of Metallic Red or Copper...)

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    1. Re:Apple? by ViolentGreen · · Score: 1

      I'd love to get a nanode but it will be rediculasly expensive. If I remember correctly, the cubit was around $300 USD. That would be close to the price of my system.

      I'm looking to build a mini-itx file server with a RAID card and two hard drives but available cases are just butt-ugly. I don't need something beautiful, just not an eyesore. You either have cases that look nice but are too expensive (such as cubit), the ones that completely ignore looks for functionality or the ones that try to look "cool" with wierd colors and designs on them.

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    2. Re:Apple? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I'd love to get a nanode but it will be rediculasly expensive.

      Want. Nanode. Must have. Nanode.
      WANT NANODE. NANODE! NANODE NANODE NANODE!!!!!

      the ones that try to look "cool" with wierd colors and designs on them.

      Yeah, they're ******* horrible.... I remember seeing some cases with obviously plastic pieces of "metal" attached to them. Very nasty...

      Or those PC cases that came out around the time of the original iMac, and mixed transparent coloured plastic with beige, and looked bloody awful (ignoring the fact that the original iMac always looked much better in photos than real life).

      Nothing less cool than someone doing a cheap knock-off of someone elses cool, and still failing miserably.

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  93. Component rack width by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 1

    Repeat after me: 19" wide. If it isn't 19" wide, it is not acceptable in my living room. Fuck, I feel bad enough letting the Gamecube live in the stereo rack; hell if I'm going to add another non-standard box.

    Near all components are 19" wide - why is it so fucking hard to find a decent, inexpensive case designed to standard component dimensions? I'm not even asking for integer RU heights; just standard width would be enough for me.

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  94. Ob. MST3K Quote by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

    "There are too many sevens in that date. I need a smoke."

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  95. Blinkenlichten? Superficial. by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    It looks like a cheap stereo-set! All those flashing lights!

    Flashing lights masquerading as functionality are the superficiality preferred by aesthetically-challenged geeks who like to criticise Apple owners for being superficial.

    You're spot on. If flashing lights are so great, how come there are more of them on the cheap hifis? I was going to say "micro systems", but some of those monstrosities are as big as my old all-in-one "Midi" hifi (record deck, twin cassettes, radio); and they include lots of pointless, contrived and obviously *cheap* moulded detailing.

    Nope. Flashy lights -|-> Functional in general...

    On the other hand, minimalism can go too far as well, and I'm not going to stand up and defend the boring fugliness of the typical beige PC case (fine for the back office and server room, but they're just so damn *boring*; even light grey would be more interesting than *beige*.)

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  96. Not really... by chrisbw · · Score: 1
    "is going to outdo Apple in 'the way it looks matters' department"

    Ummm... well, not really. And even if it did look good (which in my opinion it does not), what Apple does well is more than make products that "look good." Their industrial design really takes into account all of the human interaction factors, and they make hardware that's a natural extension of the software. Considering this thing doesn't come with a hard drive, much less software, it's hard to design the hardware/touch interface around what the software will do. I don't think this is really a threat to Apple, but nice attempt at dramatization!

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  97. Outdo This! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congratulations technomegalomaniac! You are going to outdo every crack-head I've had the displeasure of meeting!

    This pile of crap ain't got nothing on even the weakest of Apple Designs.

    Grow up now son, and stay off the pipe!
  98. Don't get yer hopes up by Quixote · · Score: 1
    A lot of the functionality is not supported under Linux. You won't find drivers to manipulate the funky LEDs, etc. (which you can under Windows).

    Too bad the companies like Asus will spend all this money on developing a toy like this, and leave out the hobbiest group, which can tinker with it and take it to new heights.

  99. OOH, someone else is trying to kill Apple. by Stick_Fig · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it that everyone's obsessed with outdoing Apple? The reason why what they're doing works is because they're NOT concerned about competing with everyone else. They let a good idea come to them and run with it.

    If I see another post on Slashdot about an "Apple Killer", I'm going to throw my hands up in the air, and cry like a little baby, because I'm pathetic like that.

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  100. I think it's cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in an I would never buy it kinda way.

  101. Ugly Ugly by tigeba · · Score: 1

    "I been called ugly, fugly, pug fugly but never ugly ugly" - Moe Sizlak

  102. mythtv by Cat_Byte · · Score: 1
    This deluxe version of S-presso features a touch-control color display panel as well as a TV tuner, remote control, and multimedia center software.

    I wonder if it would work with mythtv? That would be pretty cool and would look alot better than my beige tower sitting next to my widescreen right now.

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  103. Why Apple? by technomegalomaniac · · Score: 1
    OK OK I see plentry of comments that this thing does not hold a candle to Apple. Here are my reasons why "hand assembled cool looking x86 clone" is better than a Mac.
    1. A Mac will cost you twice as much.
    2. A Mac will need to boot OS before you can do anything with it.
    3. The coolest Mac Cube is no longer being made.
    4. You can play _games_ on an x86. Is it not what a living room toy is supposed to do?
    5. You can turn it into a PVR
    6. You can impress your friends with your über haXor skillz by showing off this box. Everyone knows Apple makes dumbed down boxes that an average Joe Sixpack and his dog can use.
    7. Did I mention it won't cost you an arm and a leg?
  104. I still like this one the best.... by ProppaT · · Score: 1

    http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?mode l=MEGA_651_w/_DVD_Combo_Drive&class=mega

    Stylish, small, and has stereo controls on the front. I could actually pass this off as a small stereo receiver instead of a bloated, ugly, black box. Fits nicely in my livingroom.

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  105. Agreed... Ugly and the wrong shape. by reezle · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's shaped like a case of Coke... Not the ideal for stacking with the rest of my equipment.

    How about the D-Link Media Player instead? It's about an inch and a half tall, and plays all my media to the TV (wirelessly) and without a hard drive either.

  106. Not new by Smartcowboy · · Score: 1

    This thing may have a DVD player in rom but my Coleco Adam from 1983 has a world processor in rom.

    The Coleco Adam is even better because you can add a rom cartdrige and have any application in rom.

  107. DVD playing by Animaether · · Score: 1

    DVD playing included - any 'multimedia' notebook/laptop (thus with DVD player, usually burner even) you buy that has an instant-on feature will play back the DVDs as well. If yours doesn't, check for firmware upgrades.

    My acer aspire 2000 does this, and it's quite nice :)

  108. You're already modded to 5 by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    ...but I just had to say that's one of the best laughs I've ever had on /. Perfect description!

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  109. Re:But does it run linux?? Re:msi by Wakkow · · Score: 1

    Ah ya.. Good point.

  110. A bit under powered however by DrChuck · · Score: 1

    I didn't see any specs for the touch panel, it would be a shame if you could write a decent driver for it under Linux or FreeBSD. Also the power supply is listed at 220W. Assuming you actually put a P4 Prescott in there, you've got about 90W of motherboard, plus another 35 for the video card, and surges of 30 for the disks (15 x 2) It starts to get into the range where the supply better actually deliver what it says or you might be replacing it. I also wonder about the "cool & quiet" vs you can put an AX800/XT in there. Seems not so cool or quiet. All that being said however, it is refreshing to see some variety in the PC market. After so many years of beige bricks a little color and panache from the factory (as opposed to home grown) can only help. --Chuck

  111. that's not even black by JavaRob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    black, with a colored LED-ish LCD panel

    Some unfortunate news for you -- even if you found a way to make it fit nicely on your shelf (the strange shape and that puffy handle aren't helping on this one...), black is not an option.

    That's "Starry Blue".

  112. No or little AMD? by i_c_andrade · · Score: 1

    Asus has some neat SFF boxes, and places like Cappuccinopc.com also have some neat boxes. But will Asus make their Terminator series with a AMD or AMD64 processor? I know that Shuttle and other have AMD64 solutions (which will more or less be my first choice) but Asus has some neat stuff.

  113. lol by kendoka · · Score: 1

    outdo apple in the looks department? Are you kidding me? Do you realize how cheap that thing looks?

  114. Also, Ahanix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ahanix has some nice machines as well with a more living-room-appropriate form factor. My sister has one and says the only drawback is the noise from the CPU fan. So I guess I'll be chalking up for a Pentium M motherboard. Anyway, here's the Ahanix link: http://www.ahanix.com/ahanix_product.asp?pid=8 Another thing that turned me off to the S-Preso is that it only has one expansion slot. If I want a high-end sound AND high-end graphics card.... I'm out of luck.

  115. Pretty case, but... by maloi · · Score: 1

    That is a pretty case, I must admit, but... It will NOT fit in with the rest of my home theater gear. And I don't just mean aesthetically - there's simply no place in my entertainment stand for something of that size and shape.

    I've search far and wide for a good case for an HTPC, but there seem to be very, very few that are both the right size and shape for a home theater system and are attracive. Oh, and don't cost way too much, too.

  116. Ugh! Looks like a toolbox & microwave combo by startling · · Score: 1

    My dog can create more appealing and attractive designs than this. She did so twice on her walk this morning (and one of them was a bit runny). It looks like like a kid's toy toolbox with a microwave oven attached to the front. Still, it should appeal to 8 year old chefs who want somewhere to keep their spanners.

  117. does it go with my nice, round ass? look at it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus! When did you geeks start turning into metrosexuals?

    "I'm sorry, but my living arrangment is brushed aluminum, this black thing just will not do! And that user interface! who would be seen using that?! Oh my god! someone needs a makeover!"

    Ugly things say you're a man. The uglier they are, the more of a man you are. I have a bright orange couch with wood armrests because of this. It lets a woman know you haven't been tamed yet.

  118. Why S-presso and not DigiMatrix? by dasnake · · Score: 1

    I think, like a lot of ppl here, that the s-presso is quite ugly.

    I don't undestand why there's an article about that piece of crap instead of digimatrix also from ASUS.

    The vcr look isn't all that original but fits a lot better into your average home tv/vcr place. And pay attention to the dimension: it's quite small.

    my .02 euro

  119. They just don't get it. by agrippa_cash · · Score: 1

    If this supposed to be a media componant why doesn't it have the same form factor as all my other media componants? Why is the display large enough to uglify the unit, but too small to see across the room? "Media" computer makers: Give me a pizzabox with a bluetooth remote that has a small display on it. PS:And if use use this idea, please GIVE me the unit along with.. like a million dollars or something. Thank you

  120. Going down south.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does feel like looking at my cousin. Fugly, but tempting in a strage way...

  121. Re:The windchill factor is still a psycholog myste by stratjakt · · Score: 1

    A warm piece of metal will cool faster in a breeze than in still air, because turbulence will mean more air molecules bump up to the metal, and thus absorb more heat faster.

    Thats why blowing on your food makes it cool faster.

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  122. Flamebait? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    "You idiot" is a term of endearment where I come from.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.