"Yes, yes, all well and good except that MS has been found guilty of using unfair business practices to maintain and extend their monopoly."
The classic/. whine. Microsoft must be bad, a court said so. But if when that court upholdes patents, or the DMCA or anything we don;t liek the courts are obviously too stupid to understand technology situations.
"You don't with Windows either, but you have to make sure there are no handles to critical files when you do."
There are several XP and 2K3 backup products that don;t need to worry about this. They can backup the system on the fly without worrying about open handles and so on using the API's supplied for this purpose.
Wait a minute, isn't it/. cannon that IP protection is bad? I mean, no one really every invents anythign right? Pirate it, copy it... it's not liek stealing.
Gotta love it, a post that actually answers a question and provides information labelled "Troll" because it may actually prefent the spread of Anti_MS FUD.
True enough... but I do see Redhat, Novell and IBM doing it. In other words people who have $$$ at stake in the sucess of Linux absolutely do use FUD to make their point.
Then you get to add in all the semiu-religeous zealots out there who spread anti-MS FUD for free just because they think it's all part of "la revolicion!" and will somehow help them download more music.
You're dreaming if you think there is no pro-Linux spin/fud machine. Hell, Slashdot exists entirely for this purpose.
But responding to MS seems to be the only thing that drives many in the Linux camp - so why would/. cater to any other audience?
Look./. is making a TON of money whipping people into a frenzy - and then showing Microsoft ads on the pages.
They do this without having to actually put any effort into editing, improving the code or being standards compliant. In other words, they can pay lip service to their audiences prejudices and spit in their face all the rest of the time.
"Maybe if less people would have pirated Vampires..."
Standard/. answers...
* Information wants to be free! * Down with the man! * It's not stealing, cause like they still had their copies! * Microsoft sucks! * Piracy is just another term for "fair use" * Software patents suck! * They should have made their money on customer service.
Isn't this just another anti-trust lawsuit in waiting?
It is if the OSS zealots have anys ay in it. I think in the end thats their plan - complain long and loud about MS products, then sue them for trying to fix any problem as "anti-competative".
* When MS didn't have spyware removal built slashbots complained.
* When they added it and might charge the bots complained more that it shoudl be free
* Now that it's free the bots will scream for a lawsuit
They knwo that if they let MS do what MS is good at (technology, improvements, getting things right over time) it will crush Linux. The only hope they have is to run to the goverment for help.
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"Yes, yes, all well and good except that MS has been found guilty of using unfair business practices to maintain and extend their monopoly."
/. whine. Microsoft must be bad, a court said so. But if when that court upholdes patents, or the DMCA or anything we don;t liek the courts are obviously too stupid to understand technology situations.
The classic
As Linus said (sorta), Hypocrisy (is) the worst of human traits
So, because you don't like the license, you feel that you have the right to ignore the rights of the copyright-holders?
Hey, it works for most of the MP3 stealing, movie downloading P2P crowd.
It's meant to be a Dreamweaver clone, and it's pretty decent
It's pretty sad how often OSS projects are nothing but a clone of a commercial product. Isn't there supposed to be innovation int here?
Now THAT was funny! Mod parent up!
"You don't with Windows either, but you have to make sure there are no handles to critical files when you do."
There are several XP and 2K3 backup products that don;t need to worry about this. They can backup the system on the fly without worrying about open handles and so on using the API's supplied for this purpose.
Yeah... cause your quarter is much more useful to starving people than his worthless millions.
Only here can people manage to denegrate something so cool.
Wait a minute, isn't it /. cannon that IP protection is bad? I mean, no one really every invents anythign right? Pirate it, copy it ... it's not liek stealing.
Someone make sure Linus gets the memo.
How dumb the /. editors thing you are.
Stealing?
:)
So a group of peopel who advocate pirating movoes, software and music (/.) draws the line at spam. Gotcha
Gotta love it, a post that actually answers a question and provides information labelled "Troll" because it may actually prefent the spread of Anti_MS FUD.
Way to go slashmods!
When do you see Linus doing this?
... but I do see Redhat, Novell and IBM doing it. In other words people who have $$$ at stake in the sucess of Linux absolutely do use FUD to make their point.
True enough
Then you get to add in all the semiu-religeous zealots out there who spread anti-MS FUD for free just because they think it's all part of "la revolicion!" and will somehow help them download more music.
You're dreaming if you think there is no pro-Linux spin/fud machine. Hell, Slashdot exists entirely for this purpose.
Dude, you're on Slashdot. Around here peopel consider finding ways to circumvent licenses and pirate informationa religeous calling.
But responding to MS seems to be the only thing that drives many in the Linux camp - so why would /. cater to any other audience?
/. is making a TON of money whipping people into a frenzy - and then showing Microsoft ads on the pages.
Look.
They do this without having to actually put any effort into editing, improving the code or being standards compliant. In other words, they can pay lip service to their audiences prejudices and spit in their face all the rest of the time.
And people will suck it up.
Tyrannical? I'm sorry but the Law is the Law
And we shoudl all follow it - unless it keeps us from stealing intellectual property - then it's you know, bad.
Imagine how much development work could be done with that.
... especially if it isn't the fun parts of something.
Hey! There's an idea. It's almost like sometimes you have to pay people to work on something
So you could get some money from the users, and use that to pay the developers... now what does that remind me of?
Oh yeah, capitalism.
Ah yes :) I remember the incident well. Doesn't someone have a journal entry about it?
"Congrats... Your friends are helping to raise the barrier to entry for smaller office suites."
Yeah, they shoudl stick to pirating music and movies under the banner of "copyrights are bad".
At least thats ethical.
(hint: sarcasm)
If /. coudln't be considered to have done so before... this markes the moment when we can all agree it happened.
"Gee, following that logic that means I can go buy a copy of Linux at Borders and utilize the source in my proprietary product with impunity"
....
1) Get zealots to deny the legitimacy of IP protections
2) Steal IP from zealots...
3)
4) Profit
"They were convicted in the EU, dude. Sentenced too."
/. agree that the courts always make correct decisions on technology cases based on complete understanding of the issues.
/. always accepts the courts as the final word in matters technological right?
And since everyone on
Thats why
"Maybe if less people would have pirated Vampires..."
/. answers...
Standard
* Information wants to be free!
* Down with the man!
* It's not stealing, cause like they still had their copies!
* Microsoft sucks!
* Piracy is just another term for "fair use"
* Software patents suck!
* They should have made their money on customer service.
The world's vaguest sentence moderated as "Insightful".
I think we should just add "+1 anti-MS" and "-1 pro-MS" now and be more honest around here.
Pirated w2k3 becomes a heavy doorstop after installing sp1.
Those bastards. How dare they not make it more convenient for you to break the law and steal from them.
This might really be the crux of the issue, many here seem to dislike any technology or group that doesn't want to be stolen from.
And after years of whinign about how WindowsXP and Longhorn are focussing too much on eye candy.
Let's recap...
If MS discusses this: "MS Sucks! This is anti-competative! This is why I use boringWM!"
If XWindows discusses this: "Wow, this is the future of the desktop! OSS leads the way!"
If Apple discusses this: "Apple is so cool! This is why the designers all love it! Apple rocks! Apple invented the MP3 player ya know!'
Isn't this just another anti-trust lawsuit in waiting?
It is if the OSS zealots have anys ay in it. I think in the end thats their plan - complain long and loud about MS products, then sue them for trying to fix any problem as "anti-competative".
* When MS didn't have spyware removal built slashbots complained.
* When they added it and might charge the bots complained more that it shoudl be free
* Now that it's free the bots will scream for a lawsuit
They knwo that if they let MS do what MS is good at (technology, improvements, getting things right over time) it will crush Linux. The only hope they have is to run to the goverment for help.