The EULA you agreed too gave Microsoft the permission to change the agreement at any time, without consulting you.
Your only recourse via the EULA now is to stop using the software.
When you *first* agreed to the conditions, you had the option of not agreeing and returning it for a refund. You chose to continue to use it, so you are bound by any changes they make.
As long as all the people that accept the copy conform to my restriction of 'non profit/purchase avoidance' , then the value has not been reduced. The original still has not been effected in one bit and still has the same 'value' as it did before the non-destructive copy. .
If you want to talk about 'for profit' copying, then thats a different ball of wax and it can have an effect on the IP holder's bottom line. ( is it right or wrong? Thats a 3rd totally separate debate )
So show me how buying a copy ( they arent fake products, they are real products.. yet another marketing device ) watch for 1/10 the price, when i could not afford the full price one, costs the IP owner a single dime?
Profit = monetary, dont toss in 'entertainoment' just to justify you position. Im talking *real* profit here. either you sell the 'goods' or you make a business off the use of the goods. Either of those is wrong. "entertainment" "Education" etc, dont count.
Non customer = no, i can honestly and accurate say that that i would not buy the product. If it wasnt available via free, then i wouldnt have it. If i was going to buy it, i do, regardless of being available free. "free" doesnt play into my purchase plans.
No, but i might take a digital ( or film, im the ludite around here ) picture of your car for *personal* use. You still have your unaltered car afterwards and are free to do whatever you had originally intended to do with it. Its value has not been effected.
Copying a bunch of bits that i wasnt going to purchase is no different. The owner has not had his product reduced in value and he still has possession of it to sell to a buying customer ( which im not, nor was i ever going to be ).
People that twist the facts around and inflate the numbers in order to invade/reduce my privacy disgust me. ( though for the record, i dont agree with 'for-profit' or 'purchase avoidance' piracy.. )
I wont mention where, but in a large town near me, the previously 'open' state-house now has a check-in process for the public. Part of that is showing ID. They arent currently recording it, but that idea *was* floated.
So, we can assume that next local citizens have to register if they want to travel, lets say more then 50 miles from home, or across a state line? Or how about have to sign in if you enter any public building...
Just a side note: ive disabled 95% the electronic controls/senosrs on my cars. With it being that old i can get away with doing that and it still have it run:) about all that is left is the spark advance, and thats going to go when the engine gets swapped in a few years, with a vacuum controlled distributor. ( they dont last forever ). the rest is pure electricity, no 'brain' involved.
As far as making a living in the 'industry' and sounding like a hypocrite, it does give me a unique viewpoint of being someone on the 'inside' that has grown over the years to have a strong distaste for for where its heading. ( unfortunately ive been in it far to long to get out, we all gotta eat and have a roof to live under. )
I agree that i do have to pay more for some things, like my fountain pen, my watch, gas stove.. but at least i can make a statement in my personal life like this, with the acceptance of reality ( to avoid being called a ludite ) that one cant practically go 100% 'retro' as like above, you gotta eat.. and you have to interact with the rest of the world on their level, to an extent. At least in the USA anyway, in other countries, way out in the sticks, your milage may very..
( we are way OT now, and you get my *honest* point, since im not playing 'lets piss off the/.ers' )
Just a disclaimer: since this mostly is a throwaway forum with a lot of wierdos and idiots, i tend to have fun with people on here, so you have to take some of what i say with a grain of salt, and in the right context of poking at people. In a more worthwhile forum i dont. )
Now, that out of the way, I honestly believe a lot of what is being done today and being passed off as 'need' is a waste of resources. Most of the entire 'digital industry' is a waste as far as i am concerned. I feel the 'digital revolution' has far exceeded its usefulness and is actually now harming society as a whole. It has/had its place, but not invading every part of our lives as it does now.
And yes, i wear a windup mechincal watch to this day, and dont have fancy computer controlled components in my nearly 30 year old car. Wont ever buy another modern vehicle for the same reason. Oh, and guess what, just to be totally inconsistent, i actually make my living from supporting these infernal digital devices. But it doesnt mean i have to approve of how they are being (ab)used.
If you would have taken the time to actually read what i had posted, you would have seen that the disclaimer was a question, if they were forced to deal with a monopoly to gain access to the network.
So take your 'again' attitude and place it somewhere.
Better code = less bloat = better performance and security.
Sure you can cite specific examples of what may currently be 'good, but useless code' ( your 3D games is an example of *totally* worthless code, regardless of the 'quality' ) but the above statement holds true. ( and it wasnt to create a discussion, it was a simple statement of fact. Anything different is incorrect. )
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The EULA you agreed too gave Microsoft the permission to change the agreement at any time, without consulting you.
Your only recourse via the EULA now is to stop using the software.
When you *first* agreed to the conditions, you had the option of not agreeing and returning it for a refund. You chose to continue to use it, so you are bound by any changes they make.
As long as all the people that accept the copy conform to my restriction of 'non profit/purchase avoidance' , then the value has not been reduced. The original still has not been effected in one bit and still has the same 'value' as it did before the non-destructive copy. .
If you want to talk about 'for profit' copying, then thats a different ball of wax and it can have an effect on the IP holder's bottom line. ( is it right or wrong? Thats a 3rd totally separate debate )
So show me how buying a copy ( they arent fake products, they are real products.. yet another marketing device ) watch for 1/10 the price, when i could not afford the full price one, costs the IP owner a single dime?
"manipulate the government to create laws"
That is what i was getting at with the 'reduce' part of my rights.
Profit = monetary, dont toss in 'entertainoment' just to justify you position. Im talking *real* profit here. either you sell the 'goods' or you make a business off the use of the goods. Either of those is wrong. "entertainment" "Education" etc, dont count.
Non customer = no, i can honestly and accurate say that that i would not buy the product. If it wasnt available via free, then i wouldnt have it. If i was going to buy it, i do, regardless of being available free. "free" doesnt play into my purchase plans.
No, but i might take a digital ( or film, im the ludite around here ) picture of your car for *personal* use. You still have your unaltered car afterwards and are free to do whatever you had originally intended to do with it. Its value has not been effected.
Copying a bunch of bits that i wasnt going to purchase is no different. The owner has not had his product reduced in value and he still has possession of it to sell to a buying customer ( which im not, nor was i ever going to be ).
People that twist the facts around and inflate the numbers in order to invade/reduce my privacy disgust me. ( though for the record, i dont agree with 'for-profit' or 'purchase avoidance' piracy.. )
Blah. Thats the only smart thats worth considering.
Your car beeping at you as a reminder is far different then your car ratting out on you to the cops.
But this sounds rather invasive to me.
And what the hell is this shooting your car with paintballs? Or EMPing all your electronics? WTF?
I wont mention where, but in a large town near me, the previously 'open' state-house now has a check-in process for the public. Part of that is showing ID. They arent currently recording it, but that idea *was* floated.
Who gets to decide what is indecent? Me? I doubt it.
So, we can assume that next local citizens have to register if they want to travel, lets say more then 50 miles from home, or across a state line? Or how about have to sign in if you enter any public building...
Just a side note: ive disabled 95% the electronic controls/senosrs on my cars. With it being that old i can get away with doing that and it still have it run :) about all that is left is the spark advance, and thats going to go when the engine gets swapped in a few years, with a vacuum controlled distributor. ( they dont last forever ). the rest is pure electricity, no 'brain' involved.
/.ers' )
As far as making a living in the 'industry' and sounding like a hypocrite, it does give me a unique viewpoint of being someone on the 'inside' that has grown over the years to have a strong distaste for for where its heading. ( unfortunately ive been in it far to long to get out, we all gotta eat and have a roof to live under. )
I agree that i do have to pay more for some things, like my fountain pen, my watch, gas stove.. but at least i can make a statement in my personal life like this, with the acceptance of reality ( to avoid being called a ludite ) that one cant practically go 100% 'retro' as like above, you gotta eat.. and you have to interact with the rest of the world on their level, to an extent. At least in the USA anyway, in other countries, way out in the sticks, your milage may very..
( we are way OT now, and you get my *honest* point, since im not playing 'lets piss off the
Just a disclaimer: since this mostly is a throwaway forum with a lot of wierdos and idiots, i tend to have fun with people on here, so you have to take some of what i say with a grain of salt, and in the right context of poking at people. In a more worthwhile forum i dont. )
Now, that out of the way, I honestly believe a lot of what is being done today and being passed off as 'need' is a waste of resources. Most of the entire 'digital industry' is a waste as far as i am concerned. I feel the 'digital revolution' has far exceeded its usefulness and is actually now harming society as a whole. It has/had its place, but not invading every part of our lives as it does now.
And yes, i wear a windup mechincal watch to this day, and dont have fancy computer controlled components in my nearly 30 year old car. Wont ever buy another modern vehicle for the same reason. Oh, and guess what, just to be totally inconsistent, i actually make my living from supporting these infernal digital devices. But it doesnt mean i have to approve of how they are being (ab)used.
If you would have taken the time to actually read what i had posted, you would have seen that the disclaimer was a question, if they were forced to deal with a monopoly to gain access to the network.
So take your 'again' attitude and place it somewhere.
How about no. its inefficient and wasteful, and just plain wrong.
If you cant figure it out, then why bother explaining?
Depends, are they stuck with a monopoly to get service? If so, they dont have much choice.
At the parties i go to, we don't waste our time playing video games, or editing documents.
And your point?
The 'other mans' ( as you put it ) needs are not relevant.
Better code = less bloat = better performance and security.
Sure you can cite specific examples of what may currently be 'good, but useless code' ( your 3D games is an example of *totally* worthless code, regardless of the 'quality' ) but the above statement holds true. ( and it wasnt to create a discussion, it was a simple statement of fact. Anything different is incorrect. )
How about more code efficiency? That would also improve overall security too.
If people coded properly, we wouldn't need this 'speed race' just to watch our word processors and browsers get slower and slower each release..
And always will be. There is no debate.
Digital sux.
I guess they never heard of the 'bone phone' from DAK back in the 80's.
Cant anyone do something original anymore? Or are we doomed to bad sequels and re-inventing the wheel for the rest of our existence on this planet?