Counting support tickets is almost as bad an idea as counting lines of code. There's all kinds of ways to generate and close a huge volume of support tickets.
I don't agree with you on that. They botched it in all kinds of ways, of course, but I never had the impression that they didn't want it to win.
I just find it hard to believe that with the billion dollars worth of free hype Sun got with Java, they managed to screw up such a fundamental and simple aspect of it as making it easy for end users to install.
Heh.. That's a matter of corporate culture. Ask a Sun sysop about patch hell sometime.
Well, his program may have been non-trivial, but to deploy it he still has to test it on each platform, debug it everywhere, etc. The failed promise was that if it ran on a JVM at all, it would run on all of them.
Yeah, it's great for InfoSys and the rest of the offshore body-shops. For an individual engineer, it's a very crowded market, and a lot of people are willing to hack Java code for $40/hr.
fanboys claim it's the best invention since FORTRAN.
Most of the Java fans I know (as opposed to those who merely tolerate it to pay the bills) have never written a line of FORTRAN.
The love of Java tends to come from people whose previous experience was mostly C++ or VB. What Java demonstrated was just how desperately the world needed a replacement for C++. Pity it ended up where it has.
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Aren't you with Apple?
Not lately.
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GEM
Apple didn't put DR out of business. Try again.
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Counting support tickets is almost as bad an idea as counting lines of code. There's all kinds of ways to generate and close a huge volume of support tickets.
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Excuse me? What does an empty Wikipedia article prove?
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I'm self-employed, and that's news to me. So far, I'm not even working on one.
What year did you post from?
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Killing people is equivalent to killing animals in this twisted world view of yours?
Let me guess... You're from Germany, circa 1939?
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Earlier, they sued anybody with a similar GUI out of business
Name one.
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How are you planning to attack twenty-five years ago? Have you invented a time machine?
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I'm in. When do we attack?
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Are you trying to impress me by bragging about ammunition calibers? If so, you're doing an exceptionally poor job of it.
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You started this by suggesting that I should be killed. Is that considered civil behavior in your part of the world?
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So, advocating the murder of human beings isn't considered "impolite" where you come from?
Sounds lovely. You must be overrun with tourists.
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Did you perhaps take a round to the head during this military training you claim to have had?
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Dude, put down the crack pipe before posting. You've just advocated shooting yourself.
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You veggies are so funny when you try to sound tough.
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What's the problem? Are there a bunch of tree-huggers in kenya to interfere?
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Perfect. Is there a way for the market to assign a ticker symbol over the company's objections? Let's start a petition.
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could you sleep without testing your programs on the supported platforms with any other language/platform?
Whether other languages succeed in this or not has no effect on the fact that Java promised it and didn't deliver.
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I think Sun secretly never wanted Java to succeed
I don't agree with you on that. They botched it in all kinds of ways, of course, but I never had the impression that they didn't want it to win.
I just find it hard to believe that with the billion dollars worth of free hype Sun got with Java, they managed to screw up such a fundamental and simple aspect of it as making it easy for end users to install.
Heh.. That's a matter of corporate culture. Ask a Sun sysop about patch hell sometime.
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JAVAL0L
I can has portability? Oh NOES!
-jcr
Well, his program may have been non-trivial, but to deploy it he still has to test it on each platform, debug it everywhere, etc. The failed promise was that if it ran on a JVM at all, it would run on all of them.
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Java is a marketable skill,
Yeah, it's great for InfoSys and the rest of the offshore body-shops. For an individual engineer, it's a very crowded market, and a lot of people are willing to hack Java code for $40/hr.
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fanboys claim it's the best invention since FORTRAN.
Most of the Java fans I know (as opposed to those who merely tolerate it to pay the bills) have never written a line of FORTRAN.
The love of Java tends to come from people whose previous experience was mostly C++ or VB. What Java demonstrated was just how desperately the world needed a replacement for C++. Pity it ended up where it has.
-jcr
software that depends on specific JREs
Bingo! Give the man a cigar.
Years ago, my first impression of Java was that it was absurd that end users had to know or care which Java a given app depended on.
-jcr
You need a reality check.
Good advice, you should take it. Java has peaked, and it's all downhill from here.
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