There were many people in the north who were adamantly opposed to the practice and who not only lobbied against it but actively helped escaped slaves from the south to freedom in Canada.
There were many people in the south, who were just as opposed. They didn't publish newspapers about it, they just quietly helped escaped slaves make their way north.
Did the FBI find a judge willing to let them do this? If so, why aren't we hearing who that was, so we can drop the judge a note and express our opinion of how well he's holding up his end of the deal..
It's probably would have been as simple as, "beat it, we're not interested, but we can trade goods." And African slavery probably doesn't exist.
You seem to be under the impression that slavery in Africa was a relatively recent phenomenon. It wasn't: slavery in Africa, like the rest of the world, went back for many thousands of years.
More then eight million slaves died on the ships crossing the atlantic.
That's not in dispute. What I was taking exception to, was the statement that the Arab slave trade wasn't just as brutal. A slave had about the same chance of survival in a slave ship crossing the Atlantic, as he did being forced to march across the Sahara to Tripoli or Alexandria.
russia abolished serfdom before the US freed their slaves..while chattel slavery continued throughout Africa, China, South America, and the Middle East.
Actually, you're mistaken. There were many slave ships which were built, owned and operated by yankees. Britain outlawed the slave trade before the United States, or any other European countries did, and for a period of about two decades or so, all the slave ships were American, Dutch, French or Spanish.
Incidentally, the first American state to prohibit the importation of slaves was Virginia. The Boston shipowners had a fit over that.
Americans are blamed for slavery today because apologist posters like you just don't seem to get it and try to minimize or deny the terrible atrocity.
Oh, for crying out loud.
I've got some news for you: the average life expectancy of a white man in the interior of Africa from the 1600's to the 1800's was about a month, if he was lucky. Europeans didn't go on slave-catching raids, because even venturing a couple of miles inland tended to be fatal. The slaves who were shipped across the Atlantic were bought from african kings, who captured not only people from their rivals' territory, but also sold their own people.
Slavery was practiced by just about every society in the world, until Great Britain (with some help later on from other European powers, and eventually the United States), spent a great deal of money and blood to fight it. Americans participated in the great crime of Slavery, but Americans also put an end to it in their own country, at a terrible cost.
One of the reasons America gets the lion's share of the blame is because we took so long to actually abolish it.
The USA abolished slavery well ahead of most of the rest of the world. Saudi Arabia, for example, only abolished slavery (officially) in the 1960s.
Actually, the main reason America gets blamed so much for slavery, is that it serves current political agendas to do so. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton call for slavery reparations from the US government, but have never lifted a finger to free a single living slave today, in the Sudan, or any of the other places where slavery continues.
Likewise, they don't call for any of the Africans whose ancestors participated in slave-catching raids to pay those people whose ancestors were herded onto slave ships or marched across the continent to be sold in Arab lands. Nor do they demand reparations to Europe for the million or so Europeans who were captured by slave traders, and sold in North Africa and the middle east.
Well, slavery went on for thousands of years. It predated written history, and continued until western civilization decided that slavery was repugnant and stamped it out, over the objections of nearly every other society. Driving slavery almost out of existence was probably the greatest achievement of the British empire.
The Arab and interneccine slavery of Africans was unjust - but seldom so relentlessly brutal,
Guess again.
When the British were hunting down slave ships in the 1800's, Arab slave traders routinely slit slaves' throats and tossed them overboard if they caught sight of a British flag. Plausible deniability, you know. Also, slaves were often marched across the sahara to sell on the coast of libya, with well over half dying of thirst along the way. Not to mention, the number of men who were castrated, to provide eunuchs for Arab buyers.
Pick up a copy of Thomas Sowell's essay "The real history of slavery", which goes into considerably more detail.
Such a judgement would basically bankrupt the company and leave the US's telecommunications infrastructure in a complete shambles.
No, it would put the company into recievership, and the reciever would most likely continue business as usual. The difference is that the operating profits would go to paying the judgement, not the shareholders.
I'm not going to defend Saddam as a person but, in terms of Kuwait, he was set up.
Oh, gag me! He attempted a land-grab so that he could avoid the debt he owed to Kuwait, from the OTHER war he started as a land-grab, thinking that Iran would be a pushover.
Why are so many people willing to make excuses for every perp?
They're not getting "laughed out of court", and your idea that our rights can be secured by not litigating an issue is rather puzzling to me. Korematsu lost, and so did Dred Scott, but those cases were certainly taken seriously, as was Gilmore v. Gomez.
I'd really like to see a GUI made by Google and that could rival with Gnome
That would be shooting far too low. The NeXT look and feel was a fine choice when Gnome set out to emulate it, but to come up with something really good, it's necessary to try for something beyond the current status quo. This is also why Visix Galaxy was such a disappointment.
Do you honestly think it was just a coincidence that Apple's stock was hovering around $10 a share for years, and then all of a sudden they shot up to $80 a share right when the iPod was released?
You're compressing several years together there. I joined Apple immediately after the iPod was released, and my stock options were under water for about a year and a half. The iPod helped, but Apple was already a turnaround story with the iMac alone, and the titanium powerbook was a major boost.
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There were many people in the north who were adamantly opposed to the practice and who not only lobbied against it but actively helped escaped slaves from the south to freedom in Canada.
There were many people in the south, who were just as opposed. They didn't publish newspapers about it, they just quietly helped escaped slaves make their way north.
-jcr
Slavery certainly hasn't been driven out of existence,
Did you see the word "almost" in my post?
-jcr
I'm convinced that the Eskimos settled in the Arctic, because they had so many different words for "snow".
-jcr
Did the FBI find a judge willing to let them do this? If so, why aren't we hearing who that was, so we can drop the judge a note and express our opinion of how well he's holding up his end of the deal..
-jcr
It's probably would have been as simple as, "beat it, we're not interested, but we can trade goods." And African slavery probably doesn't exist.
You seem to be under the impression that slavery in Africa was a relatively recent phenomenon. It wasn't: slavery in Africa, like the rest of the world, went back for many thousands of years.
-jcr
Reparations would go a long way towards providing equilibrium to an economic system that's slanted dramatically along racial lines because of slavery.
Want to buy a bridge?
-jcr
More then eight million slaves died on the ships crossing the atlantic.
That's not in dispute. What I was taking exception to, was the statement that the Arab slave trade wasn't just as brutal. A slave had about the same chance of survival in a slave ship crossing the Atlantic, as he did being forced to march across the Sahara to Tripoli or Alexandria.
-jcr
russia abolished serfdom before the US freed their slaves ..while chattel slavery continued throughout Africa, China, South America, and the Middle East.
-jcr
Didn't your parents give you enough attention?
Grow up.
-jcr
I wonder just how long ago the idea of chattel slavery arose.. I'm sure there were slaves before there was money.
-jcr
Actually, you're mistaken. There were many slave ships which were built, owned and operated by yankees. Britain outlawed the slave trade before the United States, or any other European countries did, and for a period of about two decades or so, all the slave ships were American, Dutch, French or Spanish.
Incidentally, the first American state to prohibit the importation of slaves was Virginia. The Boston shipowners had a fit over that.
-jcr
The fact that damns the US is that so many people kept slavery going for so much longer than the rest of the world.
Nope. Later than several European countries, but far ahead of most of the world.
-jcr
Americans are blamed for slavery today because apologist posters like you just don't seem to get it and try to minimize or deny the terrible atrocity.
Oh, for crying out loud.
I've got some news for you: the average life expectancy of a white man in the interior of Africa from the 1600's to the 1800's was about a month, if he was lucky. Europeans didn't go on slave-catching raids, because even venturing a couple of miles inland tended to be fatal. The slaves who were shipped across the Atlantic were bought from african kings, who captured not only people from their rivals' territory, but also sold their own people.
Slavery was practiced by just about every society in the world, until Great Britain (with some help later on from other European powers, and eventually the United States), spent a great deal of money and blood to fight it. Americans participated in the great crime of Slavery, but Americans also put an end to it in their own country, at a terrible cost.
-jcr
One of the reasons America gets the lion's share of the blame is because we took so long to actually abolish it.
The USA abolished slavery well ahead of most of the rest of the world. Saudi Arabia, for example, only abolished slavery (officially) in the 1960s.
Actually, the main reason America gets blamed so much for slavery, is that it serves current political agendas to do so. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton call for slavery reparations from the US government, but have never lifted a finger to free a single living slave today, in the Sudan, or any of the other places where slavery continues.
Likewise, they don't call for any of the Africans whose ancestors participated in slave-catching raids to pay those people whose ancestors were herded onto slave ships or marched across the continent to be sold in Arab lands. Nor do they demand reparations to Europe for the million or so Europeans who were captured by slave traders, and sold in North Africa and the middle east.
-jcr
Well, slavery went on for thousands of years. It predated written history, and continued until western civilization decided that slavery was repugnant and stamped it out, over the objections of nearly every other society. Driving slavery almost out of existence was probably the greatest achievement of the British empire.
-jcr
The Arab and interneccine slavery of Africans was unjust - but seldom so relentlessly brutal,
Guess again.
When the British were hunting down slave ships in the 1800's, Arab slave traders routinely slit slaves' throats and tossed them overboard if they caught sight of a British flag. Plausible deniability, you know. Also, slaves were often marched across the sahara to sell on the coast of libya, with well over half dying of thirst along the way. Not to mention, the number of men who were castrated, to provide eunuchs for Arab buyers.
Pick up a copy of Thomas Sowell's essay "The real history of slavery", which goes into considerably more detail.
-jcr
Such a judgement would basically bankrupt the company and leave the US's telecommunications infrastructure in a complete shambles.
No, it would put the company into recievership, and the reciever would most likely continue business as usual. The difference is that the operating profits would go to paying the judgement, not the shareholders.
-jcr
I'm not going to defend Saddam as a person but, in terms of Kuwait, he was set up.
Oh, gag me! He attempted a land-grab so that he could avoid the debt he owed to Kuwait, from the OTHER war he started as a land-grab, thinking that Iran would be a pushover.
Why are so many people willing to make excuses for every perp?
-jcr
They're not getting "laughed out of court", and your idea that our rights can be secured by not litigating an issue is rather puzzling to me. Korematsu lost, and so did Dred Scott, but those cases were certainly taken seriously, as was Gilmore v. Gomez.
-jcr
I'd really like to see a GUI made by Google and that could rival with Gnome
That would be shooting far too low. The NeXT look and feel was a fine choice when Gnome set out to emulate it, but to come up with something really good, it's necessary to try for something beyond the current status quo. This is also why Visix Galaxy was such a disappointment.
-jcr
The company doing the threatening is in Russia! That means they are godless red commies
You're a little out of date. Today they'd be the Russian Mob.
-jcr
Citing Kevin's book doesn't really make your point. Of course he doesn't consider the term derogatory.
-jcr
I no more chose to be straight than a gay person chose to be gay
And what does this have to do with grinding a political axe on an MMORPG?
You can't even fuck on WoW, so what's the point?
-jcr
Do you honestly think it was just a coincidence that Apple's stock was hovering around $10 a share for years, and then all of a sudden they shot up to $80 a share right when the iPod was released?
You're compressing several years together there. I joined Apple immediately after the iPod was released, and my stock options were under water for about a year and a half. The iPod helped, but Apple was already a turnaround story with the iMac alone, and the titanium powerbook was a major boost.
-jcr
Without the iPod, Apple would be in serious financial trouble.
iPod is about half of Apple's revenues these days, and without it, Apple would still be a multi-billion dollar company.
-jcr